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Quoted from mariner91

So you either think the Tories, who have overseen the decline in NHS performance, have the answer now despite not doing so for the last 9 years OR you're quite happy for healthcare in this country to continue to struggle. Which one is it? And if it's the former, what is their answer when they've failed so miserably already?

And don't tell me there aren't problems in the NHS, I work in A+E.

I would have thought it blindingly obvious that the NHS will struggle whichever party is in power.

Too many patients, too many people living longer with multiple medical conditions; it needs a major overhaul which neither party will countenance because it is politically toxic.    

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I would have thought it blindingly obvious that the NHS will struggle whichever party is in power.

Too many patients, too many people living longer with multiple medical conditions; it needs a major overhaul which neither party will countenance because it is politically toxic.    

Of course it's a big ask but there are different degrees of struggling. In virtually any measurable parameter it is doing worse now than it was 9 years ago. But evidently that doesn't bother you.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Isn't it correct that the Conservative governments have put more money in than Labour ever did?

Grotesque population growths and people living much longer are very difficult problems to overcome. If Labour has any solutions let us all know.

Are you playing Devil's Advocate or are you really just being wilfully ignorant to support your political leanings? Serious question.

I've been posting on here about the Coalition/Tory underfunding of the NHS for years now. We've got an aging population and need to deal with all the healthcare issues that entails. Here's an easy to understand chart about what has occurred since 2010:



Further reading in the following link which, let's not forget, dates back to 2015:

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2015/10/nhs-spending-squeezed-never

At a point where we have needed to spend more on healthcare simply due to the demographics of the aging population the Tories have been spending a proportionally smaller amount. That was a political choice, as was raising the higher rate of taxation (which helps the wealthy) and raising the lower threshold for tax (which, counterintuitively mostly helps the wealthy). And the thing is, they knew that more money would need to be spent on healthcare - it's blindingly obvious and all the research shows it is required. Yet still they made the cuts. Those who believe the Tory claims that they don't want to privatise the NHS are missing the wood for the trees, especially now the 'Britannia Unchained' mob are somehow in government.

Honestly, I'm flabbergasted anybody can seriously respond to a news report about the impending collapse of NHS services (and that's what we're seeing) by ignoring the cause of the problems i.e. Tory underspending and then attempt to deflect and claim there aren't isn't any obvious way to improve the situation when there is. SPEND MORE FECKING MONEY ON THE COUNTRY'S HEALTHCARE. Just what the Labour Party (and many others) have been saying for the past decade. Train more doctors and nurses instead of stealing them from poorer countries, don't cut the bursaries to make it incredibly expensive for nurses to train, don't freeze then cap the pay of NHS workers for 7 years which makes the average worker £2,000 worse off in real terms than back in 2010. It's not bloody rocket science. If you can afford to give the wealthy tax cuts, you can afford to spend more on the nation's healthcare.

It's only the dedication and unpaid work of those within the NHS which has held it off until now, but we nearly got there last winter and it was only the fact that there were few serious influenza outbreaks which kept it just about going then. We may not be so lucky this year.

I think this actually has legs.

All I want out of this election is for the SNP to field a candidate in mid Northants, I’d definitely vote for them.  How is it possible to have a group of MP’s voting on the future of something they don’t want to be part of?

NHS budgets are one thing and easy to cry that budgets are being cut but look how much of GDP is still being spent, you want a true reflection of what is happening with NHS break down the costs, Maringer bleats on about an aging population but what about the unnecessary costs of the drugs / methadone and some cosmetic surgery that is being drained out of the NHS resources pot. Then the mega wages of some doctors / consultants and other managers, you can argue you want the best you pay the price but there needs to be a wage ceiling on all posts in the NHS, and a more flexability in sourcing equipment and drugs the NHS uses, I have worked in a hospital for 3 years fixing medical and dental equipment from X-ray machines, blood gas analysers to little sister sterilisers. It isn't always the budget but how it is managed and spent this is the current biggest failure of the NHS, it's mismanagement and being bled dry from people at the top.

My solution to costs to NHS concerning drug users is jail them until they have gone through cold turkey, not sure how long that takes but they have put themselves in that position, reap what you sow.

Additionally talking about budgets show how labour supported the forces during it's governance, please include pay increases too, you won't though will you.

Jailing all drug users to save money is just genius. Have you got your costings?

Never argue with a fool Rodley.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Jailing all drug users to save money is just genius. Have you got your costings?

Cost of a bivvy and £1.50 food allowance a day, cheap as chips. What is the cost of Methadone and other drug treatment?