GrimsbyLive understands there has been a huge development with regards to a proposed takeover at Grimsby Town FC.
One interested party, thought to be an individual with close links to the area, is reported to have passed the owners’ and directors’ test.
In essence, that is a Football Association and Football League (EFL) process that determines whether an individual, or company, has the capacity or necessary funds to own and operate a football club.
Largest shareholder John Fenty, who stood as chairman between 2004 and 2010, has held the top position at Blundell Park for the past 15 years.
Speculation linking potential investors with the club has gathered pace in recent weeks.
And now, GrimsbyLive understands that the process is substantially further along that it has been at any point during the current board’s tenure.
Follow our LIVE updates below as we bring you the latest news from Blundell Park.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Is there a chance that we’ll remain in debt after this? Could the new owner(s) simply give Fenty what he wants in the form of THEIR own benign loan? Genuine question. I’d imagine that a daft fan (most of us) would take glee in telling the fan base that the club is debt free, but would a canny business man really do that?
We have never been in this situation before so I really don’t know how it will pan out.
Who's the interested individual with close links to the area then? Mike Parker?
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
Excellent. It must be happening as we signed 2 strikes who we wouldn't normally be able to pay salaries for. It shows contingencies are already in place for transfer and salarie fees.
I blocked seeing red ticks years ago so go ahead If I don't reply to you then i didn't read your replies
Telegraph stating someone London-based with links to Grimsby area who is interested in wider regeneration of Grimsby....
David Ross?
That's the first name that came to my head, then I thought maybe JF is being difficult in the new stadium and regeneration of Freeman St so thought stuff i'll buy him out haha. Wasn't Ross helping the Freemans?
Lot of overexcited people could end up feeling rather silly me thinks.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
I think I’ll reserve judgement and calm my enthusiasm until i get more information, I think we need more than just the Telegraph reporting it.
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"Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its students." ..Hector Berlioz, 1856. “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" ...Voltaire, 1694-1778
I think I’ll reserve judgement and calm my enthusiasm until i get more information, I think we need more than just the Telegraph reporting it.
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Especially as Liam Wood seems to get his information from reading the Fishy.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
"We understand that the interested party - a London-based business person with strong links to the area - has passed the owners’ and directors’ test that is necessary for an individual, or company, to assume control of a football club."
From the Telegraph live feed. So it is not just joining the board if that is true. This has to be too good to be true surely.
"We understand that the interested party - a London-based business person with strong links to the area - has passed the owners’ and directors’ test that is necessary for an individual, or company, to assume control of a football club."
From the Telegraph live feed. So it is not just joining the board if that is true. This has to be too good to be true surely.
control is one thing, need to see what if any cash injection there will be. Takeover is one thing, long term strategy is another,
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
control is one thing, need to see what if any cash injection there will be. Takeover is one thing, long term strategy is another,
True I guess we have to wait and see. But lets face it its not like we have a long term strategy in place at the moment (admittedly somewhat difficult in some respects in the current climate).
I'm pretty sure someone will inform him of this thread and the internet also works abroad as far as I'm led to believe
Brilliant, due diligence has been going on for last 2 weeks or so, and he took the opportunity to leave it to carry on, give the bloke some credit as a supporter...
When I clicked on the GT link a few minutes ago I got a ‘can’t find that page’ message. Hmmmm! Article withdrawn?
Think I’ll keep my powder dry until the facts come out as to who and what. Lots of people have been deemed fit and proper people to run football clubs by the FA/FL and half of them have turned out to be be no marks, chancers or crooks.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
When I clicked on the GT link a few minutes ago I got a ‘can’t find that page’ message. Hmmmm! Article withdrawn?
Think I’ll keep my powder dry until the facts come out as to who and what. Lots of people have been deemed fit and proper people to run football clubs by the FA/FL and half of them have turned out to be be no marks, chancers or crooks.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Excellent. It must be happening as we signed 2 strikes who we wouldn't normally be able to pay salaries for. It shows contingencies are already in place for transfer and salarie fees.
What a load of horse excrement. There's no way JF would blow the budget for next season on players based on somebody potentially taking over, then get left to make up the loss.
I'm expecting a minimum of 4000 season ticket holders next season, since everybody on here "knows loads of people who will buy a season ticket when he's gone". I doubt it's true, but hope it is.
What a load of horse excrement. There's no way JF would blow the budget for next season on players based on somebody potentially taking over, then get left to make up the loss.
I'm expecting a minimum of 4000 season ticket holders next season, since everybody on here "knows loads of people who will buy a season ticket when he's gone". I doubt it's true, but hope it is.
I suppose free Season Tickets for life are high on the negotiation agenda for the likes of Chapman and Marley
If you look here https://mobile.twitter.com/thstas this is his Twitter account. Please see my post on rumour mill which gives full list of his directorships. I can't find any picture or personal details on him so don't know how old he is but his main business is a property development company turning over £30 million pa. Which doesn't put him into the multi millionaire bracket.I was told about 2 Gy exiles being involved whether that's his sister or a super rich backer like ross, I don't know. He is obviously a very altruistic individual who cares greatly about art architecture and grimsby.wastold months ago that he wasn't a fan per se but wAnted to put summat back into gy. Have a look at the museum of everything has some interesting/ challenging art Works!
If you look here https://mobile.twitter.com/thstas this is his Twitter account. Please see my post on rumour mill which gives full list of his directorships. I can't find any picture or personal details on him so don't know how old he is but his main business is a property development company turning over £30 million pa. Which doesn't put him into the multi millionaire bracket.I was told about 2 Gy exiles being involved whether that's his sister or a super rich backer like ross, I don't know. He is obviously a very altruistic individual who cares greatly about art architecture and grimsby.wastold months ago that he wasn't a fan per se but wAnted to put summat back into gy. Have a look at the museum of everything has some interesting/ challenging art Works!
New use for the Ice House?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I have seen a quote in there from Fenty saying the usual "my door is always open for somebody to "join the board" who has the clout to do so.
If it turns out it is just somebody joining the board, whilst that is a positive, it would be a huge let down as opposed to a full takeover.
If you have seen that quote you should also have seen the below as well.
"EFL checks and due diligence Again, just to reiterate, this proposed takeover is much further down the line than rumour.
As we understand it, relevant checks with the EFL have been undertaken - and passed - although there is more red tape to go through. Once again, we really welcome hearing what YOU have got to say on the development."
If it was just someone joining the board I doubt the telegraph would be getting so excited.
Heard it is Shutes and others. Despite being owners they will not play a role in running the club and Fenty will continue to remain on the board.
That would make sense if neither are footy fans.shame tho because we really do need some fresh thinking new ideas and a different direction.mind you ,you don't run a £30 million company by just spending money and not having some input as to how it is spent!
Whoever it is I just hope that we all and I mean all of us give John fenty the credit he deserves and nothing but respect for his commitment to our club..
Regardless if you like the bloke or not he has always stood up to be counted and is a town man through and through..
I've just made a rather interesting discovery. Don't know it's a weird coincidence but it's safe to say that Shutes and David ross are at least acquaintances from Gy regeneration project. You may remember that Ross's 'partner in crime ' at Carphone wArehouse was Charles Dunstone.Mr Dunstone in 2009 married Celia Gordon Shute .is this just a misspelling? It's a very unusual name, or have tom shutes and David ross had a long term friendship? Could ross be the second man and the man with the real spending power?
Whoever it is I just hope that we all and I mean all of us give John fenty the credit he deserves and nothing but respect for his commitment to our club..
Regardless if you like the bloke or not he has always stood up to be counted and is a town man through and through..
Whoever it is I just hope that we all and I mean all of us give John fenty the credit he deserves and nothing but respect for his commitment to our club..
Regardless if you like the bloke or not he has always stood up to be counted and is a town man through and through..
The man deserves our respect.
Fair point.
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
Whoever it is I just hope that we all and I mean all of us give John fenty the credit he deserves and nothing but respect for his commitment to our club..
Regardless if you like the bloke or not he has always stood up to be counted and is a town man through and through..
The man deserves our respect.
We could re name the stadium after him and have a statue outside.
I've just made a rather interesting discovery. Don't know it's a weird coincidence but it's safe to say that Shutes and David ross are at least acquaintances from Gy regeneration project. You may remember that Ross's 'partner in crime ' at Carphone wArehouse was Charles Dunstone.Mr Dunstone in 2009 married Celia Gordon Shute .is this just a misspelling? It's a very unusual name, or have tom shutes and David ross had a long term friendship? Could ross be the second man and the man with the real spending power?
I really hope David Ross is involved in this because he is a big player.
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/charles-dunstone-and-celia-gordon-shute-leave-christ-church-news-photo/91729861. Just add the www. Bit at the beginning to get the link
Billionaire investment? Stop, I’m spunking thin air as it is.
Your wife told me that’s what you usually do
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I've just made a rather interesting discovery. Don't know it's a weird coincidence but it's safe to say that Shutes and David ross are at least acquaintances from Gy regeneration project. You may remember that Ross's 'partner in crime ' at Carphone wArehouse was Charles Dunstone.Mr Dunstone in 2009 married Celia Gordon Shute .is this just a misspelling? It's a very unusual name, or have tom shutes and David ross had a long term friendship? Could ross be the second man and the man with the real spending power?
Wasn’t David Ross involved in Leicester after they went into admin?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Will renew me season ticket tomorrow. Out on the urine to celebrate when it’s confirmed UTM👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
Wonder if Jolley used his knowledge of the City to arrange a meeting?
Doubt it ,this idea has preceded jolle y but I suspect they have found a kindred spirit.bet jolley finds a lot more in common with this consortium than he does with fenty
Whoever it is I just hope that we all and I mean all of us give John fenty the credit he deserves and nothing but respect for his commitment to our club..
Regardless if you like the bloke or not he has always stood up to be counted and is a town man through and through..
The man deserves our respect.
I think the best we could say is, " He meant well".
He looks to be a good guy with good ethics, who cares about things that could affect local people's lives for the better and hopefully be good for our beloved Mariners.
He looks to be a good guy with good ethics, who cares about things that could affect local people's lives for the better and hopefully be good for our beloved Mariners.
From the telegraph:
"Sources with knowledge of the talks say that Shutes is passionate about Grimsby, and is keen to further extend the club’s influence into the community. That could also accelerate plans for a new community stadium to replace Town's ageing Blundell Park."
If he really wants to properly connect club and community, what more could we ask for? Passion off the pitch for the club and the fans will only lead to a better period on it.
This is amazing news we all know football success is driven by funds and this guy seems richer than Fenty. Modernise the board with football minded individuals that want success.
How much is the guy worth because if he is "going for it" this season and beyond he will need a bottomless pit of money . Swann was allegedly putting 30k a week in to fund scunny going for it
]Remember its just my opinion ..... It might not be true ............
How much is the guy worth because if he is "going for it" this season and beyond he will need a bottomless pit of money . Swann was allegedly putting 30k a week in to fund scunny going for it
This may be a controversial view but I’d hate to see us start losing that amount of money. If it all goes wrong the club could end up in a worse place. A bit of investment to modernise the club, get get the stadium project going and attract a handful of quality players and then aim to live within our means would do for me.
This may be a controversial view but I’d hate to see us start losing that amount of money. If it all goes wrong the club could end up in a worse place. A bit of investment to modernise the club, get get the stadium project going and attract a handful of quality players and then aim to live within our means would do for me.
EDIT - Sorry LondonMariner meant to respond to another post! Needless to say I agree with your view.
Please correct me if I am wrong but based on his previous business ventures (what Forza and others have dug up on here and whats in the telegraph) he does not seem to be the flash in the pan sort and will be throwing money at it.
I think the focus will be on reconnecting the club and the town. If we double season ticket sales as a consequence (probably unlikely) then this would be a significant windfall in any case for the playing budget.
Also if the takeover does get over the line it will be very interesting to see what the Mariners Trust role will now be. Really hoping the new guy wants them to be an integral part of the club going forward.
How much is the guy worth because if he is "going for it" this season and beyond he will need a bottomless pit of money . Swann was allegedly putting 30k a week in to fund scunny going for it
Jesus fuccking Christ, this place knocks me ill.
Is it beyond people to look at the bigger picture for 30 seconds and not reduce everything down to the size of any owner’s wallet? We don’t know a great deal about this bloke but given his write up in the Telegraph, he looks forward thinking, well connected and like someone who could finally get a proper stadium project over the line. If we’re looking at restoring some pride and potential back in this dead club, THAT is the one thing that will make or break us. Not whether or not he’ll fund a league two left back on £5k a week who’ll be with us for 18 months.
Pissing cash up the wall on players doesn’t mean a great deal - look at Notts County last year. And having a rich owner doesn’t mean it’s an automatically good deal for the club - ask any Newcastle fan what they think of billionaire Mike Ashley.
We need someone to drag this club into the 21st Century, hopefully this is someone who can do it. Players come & go, it’s the club that needs the most work this summer.
This may be a controversial view but I’d hate to see us start losing that amount of money. If it all goes wrong the club could end up in a worse place. A bit of investment to modernise the club, get get the stadium project going and attract a handful of quality players and then aim to live within our means would do for me.
Not controversial for me. The thought of watching Town play Championship or even PL football in a decade is a dream for me but is achievable with big money investment. I would get more joy watching us get there in 20 years if it comes with proper investment in the club’s infrastructure, winning the Town over and getting 10k crowds in to BP regularly to build finances and the added bonus of the Town becoming a nicer place to live.
Not controversial for me. The thought of watching Town play Championship or even PL football in a decade is a dream for me but is achievable with big money investment. I would get more joy watching us get there in 20 years if it comes with proper investment in the club’s infrastructure, winning the Town over and getting 10k crowds in to BP regularly to build finances and the added bonus of the Town becoming a nicer place to live.
Don't be ridiculous,nobody here wants to watch town in the "Premiershite" surely ??
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Is it beyond people to look at the bigger picture for 30 seconds and not reduce everything down to the size of any owner’s wallet? We don’t know a great deal about this bloke but given his write up in the Telegraph, he looks forward thinking, well connected and like someone who could finally get a proper stadium project over the line. If we’re looking at restoring some pride and potential back in this dead club, THAT is the one thing that will make or break us. Not whether or not he’ll fund a league two left back on £5k a week who’ll be with us for 18 months.
Pissing cash up the wall on players doesn’t mean a great deal - look at Notts County last year. And having a rich owner doesn’t mean it’s an automatically good deal for the club - ask any Newcastle fan what they think of billionaire Mike Ashley.
We need someone to drag this club into the 21st Century, hopefully this is someone who can do it. Players come & go, it’s the club that needs the most work this summer.
I’ve got my conoco hat at the ready! It’s faded a bit since I received it in what felt like 1628.
In all seriousness, this is a great bit of news for all connected with the club, we’ve waited and waited for something positive after years of abject performances, free fall through the leagues and the cycle of manger after manager, player after player just picking up their retirement bonus.
All I ask for as a town fan is someone who ensures we’re financially secure, cares about the club and the surrounding area and how to engage fans now but also the future generation. We don’t like Lincoln, but look at their Match day experience with the fan zone... so easy to replicate and helps bring a sense of togetherness about the place.
If we get a new stadium out of this then he’ll have the backing of 99.9% of the fans and will have done more than Fenty during his stewardship.
Onwards and upwards! It’s potentially a very good time to be a town fan!!
Is it beyond people to look at the bigger picture for 30 seconds and not reduce everything down to the size of any owner’s wallet? We don’t know a great deal about this bloke but given his write up in the Telegraph, he looks forward thinking, well connected and like someone who could finally get a proper stadium project over the line. If we’re looking at restoring some pride and potential back in this dead club, THAT is the one thing that will make or break us. Not whether or not he’ll fund a league two left back on £5k a week who’ll be with us for 18 months.
Pissing cash up the wall on players doesn’t mean a great deal - look at Notts County last year. And having a rich owner doesn’t mean it’s an automatically good deal for the club - ask any Newcastle fan what they think of billionaire Mike Ashley.
We need someone to drag this club into the 21st Century, hopefully this is someone who can do it. Players come & go, it’s the club that needs the most work this summer.
Utter and total balderdash, if he hasnt got a pot to urine in, he can urine off and start a new charity. This place has done nothing but moan consistently for years about lack of investment, no budget this, no budget that....your post stinks of hypocrisy.
Utter and total balderdash, if he hasnt got a pot to urine in, he can urine off and start a new charity. This place has done nothing but moan consistently for years about lack of investment, no budget this, no budget that....your post stinks of hypocrisy.
What a crock of shite this is. Firstly, he’s going to have more money than any old Tom, male private or Harry.
Secondly and more to the point, the main gripe people had with the current regime is that nothing changed in 17 years. The club had been left behind, BP allowed to fall in to a state of disrepair and the relationship between board and fans was at an all time low. If somebody comes in and modernises the club, improves the match day experience as well as getting the fans back on side then I don’t care if they don’t come in and throw a ton of money at it. Down the road at Lincoln they haven’t chucked money at it, just reinvested money they got from their cup run and about £250K per season from their new chairman which isn’t that much.
If the old board is removed and the new one is progressive and starts to create something the fans can get behind then the amount of money available will increase anyway. At that point it is up to us, if we really want a team worth investing time and money in then we’ll have to show a new regime that there is the capacity for greater support when there is something worth supporting.
Utter and total balderdash, if he hasnt got a pot to urine in, he can urine off and start a new charity. This place has done nothing but moan consistently for years about lack of investment, no budget this, no budget that....your post stinks of hypocrisy.
Please all lets let this particular troll ^ go hungry today?
I think ‘patience’ is the key word here. Hopefully the news will boost ST sales and give the transfer kitty a much needed boost. However, these things take time to evolve. Like most on here, I’m more than happy to welcome a much needed new regime. But let’s not expect miracles overnight. And as Ska says. It’s not about coming in a throwing money at the club. There’s a hell of a lot of restructuring throughout to be done. And I must say, first impressions look good.
I’ve slated JF for not making it easier to sell the club. But if he’s held out for someone like this then maybe an apology is due. Someone with local connections is far more likely to look after the club. UTM
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Utter and total balderdash, if he hasnt got a pot to urine in, he can urine off and start a new charity. This place has done nothing but moan consistently for years about lack of investment, no budget this, no budget that....your post stinks of hypocrisy.
And yours reeks of completely ignoring what people have been saying for years (and also of you being a bit slow...).
We currently have a majority shareholder who’s put nothing into the club for years but is taking £200k out and people still fall at his feet. We’re being drunk on & told it’s raining.
Investment comes in many forms - sponsorship, TV money, merchandise, tickets and most of it comes out of the pockets of fans, not chairmen. At the minute, we see nothing to increase ANY of that money coming in. People would be happy with “investment” coming from anywhere, and the only reason people want to see Fenty stick his hand in his pocket is because of his relaxed attitude to losing money in all other areas. Think most people would be happier to sell another million quid’s worth of season tickets than get a £1m handout from a chairman (that he might want back in 16 years...).
What a crock of shite this is. Firstly, he’s going to have more money than any old Tom, male private or Harry.
Secondly and more to the point, the main gripe people had with the current regime is that nothing changed in 17 years. The club had been left behind, BP allowed to fall in to a state of disrepair and the relationship between board and fans was at an all time low. If somebody comes in and modernises the club, improves the match day experience as well as getting the fans back on side then I don’t care if they don’t come in and throw a ton of money at it. Down the road at Lincoln they haven’t chucked money at it, just reinvested money they got from their cup run and about £250K per season from their new chairman which isn’t that much.
If the old board is removed and the new one is progressive and starts to create something the fans can get behind then the amount of money available will increase anyway. At that point it is up to us, if we really want a team worth investing time and money in then we’ll have to show a new regime that there is the capacity for greater support when there is something worth supporting.
fans wont increase unless we start winning, and winning on a regular basis, no white knight in shining armour is going to change that.
Show me the money, and now. Player investment has to be the priority, not a lick of paint in the toilets.
And yours reeks of completely ignoring what people have been saying for years (and also of you being a bit slow...).
We currently have a majority shareholder who’s put nothing into the club for years but is taking £200k out and people still fall at his feet. We’re being drunk on & told it’s raining.
Investment comes in many forms - sponsorship, TV money, merchandise, tickets and most of it comes out of the pockets of fans, not chairmen. At the minute, we see nothing to increase ANY of that money coming in. People would be happy with “investment” coming from anywhere, and the only reason people want to see Fenty stick his hand in his pocket is because of his relaxed attitude to losing money in all other areas. Think most people would be happier to sell another million quid’s worth of season tickets than get a £1m handout from a chairman (that he might want back in 16 years...).
Do try & keep up at the back.
And you need to understand that success starts on the pitch, in player investment, and being able to increase the amount of money we can spend on wages. This board has winged on and on about player budget, not keeping up with the Jones'....unless Mr Shute addresses that then the club will remain stagnant in League 2....you think this is some sort of game Shute is playing, whereby he wont want a return on investment? If he doesnt address the Player Budget as a first priority...then its pointless.
The man’s greatest asset is that he isn’t John Fenty.
I hope he doesn’t squander that.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
He seems like the right sort (Shute). Hopefully there’ll still be a place at the top table for the Trust. For the club to move forward in a sustainable way there’s got to be a partnership with the fans.
And as Lm43, Ska and others have said, I hope it brings a fresh start to build up the club through growing the revenue, not through splashing the cash.
As for the BoysaPillock, let’s not be too harsh on the hard of thinking. He seems to have a genuine inability to distinguish between different views and statements. One day people will understand this sad affliction and sufferers won’t be stigmatised and marginalised.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Calm down ffs I was playing devils advocate . You havnt answered my question btw
Jesus fuccking Christ, this place knocks me ill.
Is it beyond people to look at the bigger picture for 30 seconds and not reduce everything down to the size of any owner’s wallet? We don’t know a great deal about this bloke but given his write up in the Telegraph, he looks forward thinking, well connected and like someone who could finally get a proper stadium project over the line. If we’re looking at restoring some pride and potential back in this dead club, THAT is the one thing that will make or break us. Not whether or not he’ll fund a league two left back on £5k a week who’ll be with us for 18 months.
Pissing cash up the wall on players doesn’t mean a great deal - look at Notts County last year. And having a rich owner doesn’t mean it’s an automatically good deal for the club - ask any Newcastle fan what they think of billionaire Mike Ashley.
We need someone to drag this club into the 21st Century, hopefully this is someone who can do it. Players come & go, it’s the club that needs the most work this summer.
]Remember its just my opinion ..... It might not be true ............
Looking at his track record I am happy someone of that calibre is coming to the club - if it does eventually all go well. If he's well connected then there is always the potential to do what JF has been unable to do, and that is to attract further external investment.
Like others though I'd hate to see money thrown at the club , especially without a well thought out plan in place, such as "I'd like to see Championship Football at GTFC again by 2025" which gives them time, space, and opportunity to rebuild the club from top to bottom. Get folk into the place who know how top clubs operate and mirror what they do.
If we achieve something special this year that would be an added bonus, but let's not hamper the club with expectations that can not be met. Patience really is a virtue.
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
How much is the guy worth because if he is "going for it" this season and beyond he will need a bottomless pit of money . Swann was allegedly putting 30k a week in to fund scunny going for it
30k a week isnt a massive wage budget nowadays. Take your average squad of 22 and it works out at an average wage of £1364 per week. Obviously some players on more, some less but I believe I read somewhere that last season our top earners were John Welsh and Ben Pringle on around £1500 a week.
It's not about pumping money in for me it's more about having fresh ideas moving forward and getting this club in to the 21st century.. I'm not expecting championship football or for us to be mega rich, I just want a well run sustainable club who plays football to please the fans. Id settle for constant attacks on the league 2 table or more ambitiously mid table division 1. But more importantly ii want us to unite fans and club as one.
Not sure why people are falling out over this.He's not some dodgy Asian/Russian businessman, he's not some scally with a string of debt and business closures behind him, he's not even a shady hedge-funder from S Africa with no connections to the club (but this hasn't done Lincoln any harm yet).
His background shows he likes to invest and improve things. He's part of the regeneration of Gy to make things better, more investable, to give people a chance to flourish. He's not planning a glitzy Las Vegas bunch of casinos, nor planning on a giant gold statue of himelf nor any typical British white elephant vanity projects, he's looking to bring Grimsby into the modern era and bring success and prosperity with it. With that approach and mindset I welcome him to the task of doing said things to my beloved football club.
30k a week isnt a massive wage budget nowadays. Take your average squad of 22 and it works out at an average wage of £1364 per week. Obviously some players on more, some less but I believe I read somewhere that last season our top earners were John Welsh and Ben Pringle on around £1500 a week.
That wasn't the total wage budget, that was the loss he was covering.
Costing me a fortune in data this thread... I'm over in Corfu (just to make you jealous it's 34 Deg and wall to wall blue sky) and constantly refreshing my phone waiting for "that's it, GTFC welcome Tom Shute as the new owner of the football club".. The one sentiment I'd like to echo is that of " thanks for doing your best in keeping the club afloat" to Me Fenty... Yes, through his tenure he's devided opinions, caused contraversy, said the wrong things at the wrong times but he tried his best and unfortunately his best just wasn't good enough for the long term future of the club... So, if this deal is struck, here's to a bright future with the club becoming the centre of a reunited community with fresh ideas, new infrastructure and a will to succeed...
Firstly it's SHUTES with that famous grimsby S emoji I don't think he's loaded ,I suspect he may not even be as cash rich as fent y but there are consistent stories that there is at least one other person involved.I wondered if that might his wife but others with better sources than me say that the other person or persons are the ones with the serious money. The most likely suspect is ross who Shutes has a close relationship with and have known each other for years. However it's been suggested that there may be other people,presumably influential, who will also be getting involved. There is also a very interesting little story going around that the land at freemo will be used for other purposes and there are moves to get our new stadium on the docks.fish dock no.3 has been mentioned. This comes on the back of stories a couple of months ago that ABP had suddenly had a volte face in their previous attitude and were keen to come on board with the regeneration plan. As shutes and Ross don't seem to be footie people and are more interested in the regeneration side ,personally I'd be surprised if they were going to throw stupid money at the playing budget. It may well be, given the 2 players already signed, plus the 3 good names that we are after, that Holley is given a decent budget.I suspect their main focus will be on the new ground and dragging the club into the 21st century. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find that one of their first moves is to appoint a chief executive. I have to say I'm enormously excited and at last ,after so many years, fent y has finally come good with his hairs on the back of our necks promise!
Apologies for my laziness. Can someone summarise, in a couple of sentences, the current status. Are we being taken over? By whom? Is Fenty disappearing?
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Apologies for my laziness. Can someone summarise, in a couple of sentences, the current status. Are we being taken over? By whom? Is Fenty disappearing?
Yes (99% certain) ShuteS plus others yet to be identified No (probably) likely to be present but with v little influence
I’d like to know what’s in it for Shutes ? Running a football clubs a thankless task and even the regeneration stuff can’t be done just out of an act of kindness . There must be something in it to make it worth while
Yes (99% certain) ShuteS plus others yet to be identified No (probably) likely to be present but with v little influence
Ironic that some of us (me included) are now dropping Ss where there is one. A lesser known feature of our dialect.
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If Fenty remains a minority shareholder can't the fans potentially club together and buy all the shares off him? Or buy some of the shares atleast to make him even less influential?
Cheers. Just read the Telegraph article. Spoken with a family member who actually met him on a separate matter a few weeks ago. For what it is worth, he said he was a genuine guy who seemed to have the regeneration of Grimsby in his heart.
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I’d like to know what’s in it for Shutes ? Running a football clubs a thankless task and even the regeneration stuff can’t be done just out of an act of kindness . There must be something in it to make it worth while
A quick search for 'Philanthropist'... "A philanthropist is a person who donates time, money, experience, skills or talent to help create a better world. " There's nothing 'in it' for true Philanthropists(other than satisfaction of helping out), not to be confused with the durrent dirge of celebrity-types who do stuff for 'charidee' while promoting themselves and their music/books. This guy looks to tick all the boxes though.
I’d like to know what’s in it for Shutes ? Running a football clubs a thankless task and even the regeneration stuff can’t be done just out of an act of kindness . There must be something in it to make it worth while
Fwiw i think it might be a 'hobby project' for them, a bit like he's done with his art n architecture interests. He's comfortably off, doesn't seem the sort like Phillip green or Ashley who need to be doing deals and making money even though they're rich enough already, so devoted his time energy and intellect to ino interesting worthwhile projects. Perhaps best to look at him like one of those rich Victorian philanthropist s , but for the 21st century. He certainly seems v.different to most other football chairmen
Is it beyond people to look at the bigger picture for 30 seconds and not reduce everything down to the size of any owner’s wallet? We don’t know a great deal about this bloke but given his write up in the Telegraph, he looks forward thinking, well connected and like someone who could finally get a proper stadium project over the line. If we’re looking at restoring some pride and potential back in this dead club, THAT is the one thing that will make or break us. Not whether or not he’ll fund a league two left back on £5k a week who’ll be with us for 18 months.
Pissing cash up the wall on players doesn’t mean a great deal - look at Notts County last year. And having a rich owner doesn’t mean it’s an automatically good deal for the club - ask any Newcastle fan what they think of billionaire Mike Ashley.
We need someone to drag this club into the 21st Century, hopefully this is someone who can do it. Players come & go, it’s the club that needs the most work this summer.
aye...the books show that the club has been breaking even more or less on average over the last few years and thats while the club has stood still / gone backwards under the current stewardship....someone with a bit of understanding and community buy in could increase support....city knowledge could help increase the commercial income ......so without throwing loads of personal cash in, income could be vastly increased. A flashy razzle dazzle money bags type owner could be more dangerous in the long run. With him having a part in the Grimsby deal then he obviously has a wider interest which is a little bit of reassurance that he isnt looking for a quick buck. Fingers crossed.
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I wonder if jolley is as excited as we are.suspect that they will find a kindred spirit in him and he must be running his hands on glee at not having to deal with j.f. Control freakery and actually having a decent budget and boss to work with.
Ps the girls in the shop and the office may be in for quite a busy week if this comes off
Clubs can only spend a certain percentage of their turnover on wages. I don't know how we fare on that but if we are spending the maximum, pumping money in couldn't be spent on wages anyway.
We need a commercially driven CEO who will actively chase sponsorships and 7 day income streams as an owner throwing money at it doesn't count as revenue.
I would be much happier if we drove forward with the stadium, improved our training facilities and brought in a couple of sponsors. A feel good factor would improve fan and staff morale, which in turn should improve results.
Improved results equal improved gates, which obviously increases turnover.
The opportunity could be here now to clear out the dead wood and press forward with some of the excellent marketing professionals we have involved (Sam Strandt and Liam Emmerson).
Fwiw i think it might be a 'hobby project' for them, a bit like he's done with his art n architecture interests. He's comfortably off, doesn't seem the sort like Phillip green or Ashley who need to be doing deals and making money even though they're rich enough already, so devoted his time energy and intellect to ino interesting worthwhile projects. Perhaps best to look at him like one of those rich Victorian philanthropist s , but for the 21st century. He certainly seems v.different to most other football chairmen
Looks like Mr Shutes has his ego in check. If so, then we'll be alright.
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That wasn't the total wage budget, that was the loss he was covering.
Scunthorpe’s last 2 published accounts show a combined loss of around £14.5m. And the next accounts will include paying off 2 managers and their huge (ultimately futile) spending spree last January.
As shutes and Ross don't seem to be footie people and are more interested in the regeneration side ,personally I'd be surprised if they were going to throw stupid money at the playing budget. It may well be, given the 2 players already signed, plus the 3 good names that we are after, that Holley is given a decent budget.I suspect their main focus will be on the new ground and dragging the club into the 21st century.
Personally I hope they do throw some cash at the playing budget (which we have moaned about every season for years) Progressing the new stadium is one thing and it sounds like Shutes may have that as a priority but I don't want GTFC to have the best ground in the Conference
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Personally I hope they do throw some cash at the playing budget (which we have moaned about every season for years) Progressing the new stadium is one thing and it sounds like Shutes may have that as a priority but I don't want GTFC to have the best ground in the Conference
The 2 signings so far show that there is money to improve the budget.neither of those 2 come cheap and neither do the 3 other names that are being touted around. From what I've been told we were seriously close to landing devitt ,another player who'd have been well out of our league last season. But thanks for injecting your usual dose of negativity.
Just got back from holiday and waded through 15 pages of joyous news. Few things that stand out: - he sounds like a good guy with the town at heart - someone asked what's in it for him, well he's a property developer and there's a lot of waste land going spare - most important thing I've read is that the club will be at the heart of the community, and that's what has been missing for years. Players in schools and factories, using the passion of the fans to attract investment into the town and create jobs etc. etc.
The 2 signings so far show that there is money to improve the budget.neither of those 2 come cheap and neither do the 3 other names that are being touted around. From what I've been told we were seriously close to landing devitt ,another player who'd have been well out of our league last season. But thanks for injecting your usual dose of negativity.
The last sentence is unfair Forza, it is not negativity. Quite the opposite, we all know that results on the field today are more important than a new stadium tomorrow and that lift of spirits is what will make the takeover a success. Therefore the playing budget is the number one priority.
Interesting thought about your first remark though - if those two signings have not come cheap and we almost got Devitt, who paid for it if the takeover hasn't yet gone through?
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You might be right RRFC but he's always so bloody curmudgeonly. He can never see good or positivity in any situation.Just gets my goat sometimes. 're the budget in sure jolley will have been informed of plans and will have got the go ahead from the new bosses before doing anything
Radio Humberside reporting the club has told them offers have been received but no proof of funds or fit and proper persons tests have been passed yet.
The club’s latest response to Hullberside suggests that this is some way off.
The Club and Hullberside are not exactly on great terms are they...not a coincidence to me that none of their reporters seemed to have any idea something might be happening.
Whoever fed the telegraph the story did not feed it to them, which makes it sound like it was from the club to me.
The Club and Hullberside are not exactly on great terms are they...not a coincidence to me that none of their reporters seemed to have any idea something might be happening.
Whoever fed the telegraph the story did not feed it to them, which makes it sound like it was from the club to me.
What's the betting this proposed takeover falls through last minute because Fenty and Marley etc demand to stay influential in the decision making at the club and Fenty and Marley then claim they pulled out because of the fans.
If this all goes through and Fenty ends up no longer being a major shareholder in the club, one would assume this means he won't have to opt out of key decisions regarding Grimsby Town's new stadium as Deputy Leader and Portfolio Holder for Regeneration, Skills and Housing.
What's the betting this proposed takeover falls through last minute because Fenty and Marley etc demand to stay influential in the decision making at the club and Fenty and Marley then claim they pulled out because of the fans.
That would be suicide surely. No one would believe that this proposal doesn’t give a sh1t about the fans. I’m used to being let down, but surely this has too much credit to it. !!
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The 2 signings so far show that there is money to improve the budget.neither of those 2 come cheap and neither do the 3 other names that are being touted around. From what I've been told we were seriously close to landing devitt ,another player who'd have been well out of our league last season. But thanks for injecting your usual dose of negativity.
No problem sunshine Your post that the new man was here to rebuild Grimsby into the European city of culture rather than taking GTFC into the Premiership gave me the idea. It certainly sounds like he's more interested in the regeneration of Grimsby the town rather than Grimsby Town the football club and anyway I'm not convinced he's got a pot to urine in
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So what do I do with my wine put it back in the cellar or what ?
Hold fire until we know one way or the other Pete. You can then either celebrate or drown your sorrows.
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Radio Humberside reporting the club has told them offers have been received but no proof of funds or fit and proper persons tests have been passed yet.
That's the opposite of what the Grim Tel said. 'The new owner-in-waiting has passed the owners' and directors test which, in essence, is a Football Association and Football League (EFL) led process that determines whether or not an individual, or company, has the capacity or necessary funds to own and operate a football club.'
It gives timescales which shows that if the GT is correct, the application must have been made a few weeks ago (10 days +) by the club.
'The application is made by the club itself rather than the individual director. This can impact on the timing of an acquisition of a club. On an acquisition, usually a club does not want to make an application for a new owner/director to be approved until such time as it is certain that the acquisition is to proceed. Sometimes the acquisition documentation is signed before the club makes the application, and completion of the deal is conditional on the application being approved by the relevant league, which can cause a slight delay in the deal completing.
'In terms of timing on the appointment of a director or new owner, advanced notification is required, and the club needs to make the application at least 10 working days prior to the date on which the person is to become a director, and the league is required to respond within five working days of receipt of the application to confirm in the case of the EPL whether or not the person can become a director or is disqualified, and in the case of the EFL to advise on the expected timing to consider an application.'
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There’s a big difference between ‘it’s all tosh’ and ‘it’s all tosh apparently’.
I’ve been a little critical of the Grimsby Telegraph in the past but journalists don’t usually run stories like this unless they’ve got facts corroborated by at least two sources.
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The last sentence is unfair Forza, it is not negativity. Quite the opposite, we all know that results on the field today are more important than a new stadium tomorrow and that lift of spirits is what will make the takeover a success. Therefore the playing budget is the number one priority.
Interesting thought about your first remark though - if those two signings have not come cheap and we almost got Devitt, who paid for it if the takeover hasn't yet gone through?
With the players released and JF admitting that he set the budget too low last season then the signing of two quality players does not really surprise me. Even if there were two or three more quality signings it doesn't necessarily mean that those wages are being " bankrolled ". Considering MJ's background in the financial world then I'm sure he will be able to get the best out of what playing budget is available. We also have several players who have come through the Youth ranks who could figure a lot in the coming season and I'm sure they won't be on colossal wages. I'm sure things about who we have will certainly become a lot clearer by the time the players report back for training.
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If this all goes through and Fenty ends up no longer being a major shareholder in the club, one would assume this means he won't have to opt out of key decisions regarding Grimsby Town's new stadium as Deputy Leader and Portfolio Holder for Regeneration, Skills and Housing.
If he still remains a shareholder, regardless of how many shares he holds, then he will have to declare that as an interest and would be prevented from making council decisions on anything to do with the new ground.
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Although if it is Shutes plus Ross in the background they cannot just spend willy nilly due to financial fair play rules, unless we ask the Man City accountants how to fund considerable transfers. Also if Shutes makes her s money through property he may be able to get Freeman sorted due to his experience.
Although if it is Shutes plus Ross in the background they cannot just spend willy nilly due to financial fair play rules, unless we ask the Man City accountants how to fund considerable transfers.
Unfortunately this isn't strictly true. FFP or SCMP, whatever it's called now says clubs can only spend 56/60% of their turnover depending on their league bu Accrington's chairman confirmed on Twitter a few weeks ago that this is a load of shite. Why? Well because it turns out these 'rules' (unbelievably) are actually optional. At the bottom of the forms that need to be sent to the EFL/FA there's a box that can be ticked that essentially says clubs can spend what they like if the owner is happy to underwrite it. So essentially the likes of Salford can still spend what they like even at this level.
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That being said I wouldn't want out playing budget to be bankrolled, I want it to be within our means. As others have said I'd prefer investment to be infrastructure and facilities to drag our club into the 21st century and towards investing in the community to enable us to tap into the potential for or fan base to grow, therefore helping to give us a bigger playing budget in the future.
I really hope this takeover happens, it's exactly what the club needs and in my opinion the only way we can move forwards as a club. Exciting times could be ahead it happens.
Radio Humberside reporting the club has told them offers have been received but no proof of funds or fit and proper persons tests have been passed yet.
It is a long time since the GT was a proper newspaper with proper journalists so not much to choose between RH and the Daily Mirror in the truth stakes. But I cannot think this bloke would have let his name and photo be touted as a Liam Wood “exclusive” if there wasn’t some reality about the business.
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So what do I do with my wine put it back in the cellar or what ?
No Pete. You drink it soon and celebrate like it’s all going ahead. Then you replace it so that you can do it all again when it does go ahead. Or drown your sorrows if it doesn’t. Win win 😄🍾🍾
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As long as the new owner (if there actually is one) doesn’t large it on the front page of the GET spouting “We’re taking Town to the Premier” they’ll do for me!
I’m not that bothered if they don’t throw big money at us as long as they have ambition, energy, enthusiasm and drive it will be a start.
So I think I read that they have passed the fit and proper person test all they’ll need to do now is pass the FISHY and proper person test ✅ and they’ll be a rip roaring success.
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Well to be honest, Shutes did indeed approach the club to make a takeover bid, and stated he wanted to build new group as part of the regeneration. That was over a year ago, and I'm sure talks will have continued - but as I understand it he has still not 'shown the money' - I expect that he is exactly who Fenty was calling a 'tyre kicker' - ofc there is every chance that some board members are kept in the dark but I seriously doubt it... I REALLY want this all to be true as much as the next person so don't think I'm quashing hopes for nothing... - this isn't 'grapevine' word, I rang my source directly.
Well Mr Shutes seems happy enough to take the story to the Telegraph so it can't be total balderdash. Is this part of the negotiation game? I just feel that if it was untrue we'd have had a furiously written statement storming out of GTFC's press office by now.
No Pete. You drink it soon and celebrate like it’s all going ahead. Then you replace it so that you can do it all again when it does go ahead. Or drown your sorrows if it doesn’t. Win win 😄🍾🍾
I think I will choose this option cheers Civvy
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Well Mr Shutes seems happy enough to take the story to the Telegraph so it can't be total balderdash. Is this part of the negotiation game? I just feel that if it was untrue we'd have had a furiously written statement storming out of GTFC's press office by now.
The usual thing is to come on here and put us in our place.
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Could just be a premature ploy to get the dismal season tickets sold
Could be, but if it is, there will be some very unhappy fans, and foolish fans, if you're staying away whilst Fenty is here, wait until the takeover is offically confirmed before buying.
Sorry Buttty but if has already passed the 'fiit and proper,' test by the EFL, which this information came to Liam Wood directly from the EFL then Mr Shutes is no 'tyre kicker'as Fenty may have called him.. The test has to prove he has the financial backing to run the club for a minimum of 2 years.. I think you're source has probably been on the "sauce"..
Sounds like I was right just another tyre kicker put the connoco baseball caps away for another 10 years.
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Listen, if you have doubts contact me privately I don't really want to say much more on a public forum
If a Director of the club would tell you there is nothing in it why would they not have made a public statement saying that? Or are you more important?
Is the director you know aware and happy for you to make public the information he gives you? Seems like a bit of an abuse of trust to me and more than a little bit indiscreet by him and you.
I've had two family members as ex employees of GTFC and I never betrayed their trust once. If I posted anything they told me I never revealed my source or said too much. Mind you, I never had a stand named after a friend's relative!
Is the director you know aware and happy for you to make public the information he gives you? Seems like a bit of an abuse of trust to me and more than a little bit indiscreet by him and you.
FFS haven't you worked it out yet? He is a director, Butty is old 'Shut Up'
BTW I had an Uncle Pontoon and he never told me intercourse all
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FFS haven't you worked it out yet? He is a director, Butty is old 'Shut Up'
BTW I had an Uncle Pontoon and he never told me intercourse all
Yup. Same as my cousin Dave Barratt-Findus-Stones. Never let anything slip. I think they were sworn to secrecy 🤔
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I'm afraid I don't have all the answers! You and I both know how often the club can be devoid of basic common sense when it comes to fan interaction!
Hope he doesn’t read this or he’ll tell you to shut up
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Sadly, this has all come too late for me because i'm past caring. After 48 seasons of steadfast support, i'm looking to do something more enjoyable of a Saturday from now on.
Will it happen anyway? Nothing else has ever come to fruition, so...
Radio humberside been given statement by club denying. Nutty has phoned his mate who is a director plus a couple of doom mongers on facebook
Maybe I am clutching at straws but I did not read that tweet from Radio Humberside as a flat out denial...Seems odd none of their sports reporters seem to be in the loop though. But then why would the telegraph have gone to the lengths of stating who is the potential person behind the takeover if it is nonsense?
I am not sure if it is wanting this to happen which is preventing me from accepting it might not happen. Not sure what the reaction would be if this did not now happen.
Maybe I am clutching at straws but I did not read that tweet from Radio Humberside as a flat out denial...Seems odd none of their sports reporters seem to be in the loop though. But then why would the telegraph have gone to the lengths of stating who is the potential person behind the takeover if it is nonsense?
I am not sure if it is wanting this to happen which is preventing me from accepting it might not happen. Not sure what the reaction would be if this did not now happen.
EDIT: Did I miss the sarcasm in your post?
Liam Wood from the telegraph has made a big deal about this so he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't almost certain? Because if it doesn't happen that makes him look an idiot and why would he put himself in that position? Radio Humberside haven't had a good working relationship with the club for years so I don't think it's strange that the club are playing a straight bat to Radio Humberside, if Liam Wood reckons this is very close to happening then I hope he's right
I'm hoping to hear more about this in the next few days.
Forza you seem to know a bit about this, do you have any timeframes?
From all I've read it could be in the next day or 2. I think fent y got back from his hols Friday .whether he's playing silly bugggers and holding out for a bit more i don't know but that might explain the denials. FAO Malta wasn't really being sarcastic, just factual on this occasion.how much store you put on Butty as a source is another matter. One last thing which keeps me positive is the thought of the repercussions of the bid was knocked back. There would be absolute hell to pay. It seems like the thing has gone too far for it to fail.that's what I'm clinging to anyway. What I'm dying to hear is rumours of stories of a press conference being arranged
I had similar thoughts Forza, if it gets knocked back now there will be so much more pressure only a rhino could cope.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
From what I understand, only thing remaining is to "Dot the i's and cross the t's"
"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn, At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, We WILL remember them"
From all I've read it could be in the next day or 2. I think fent y got back from his hols Friday .whether he's playing silly bugggers and holding out for a bit more i don't know but that might explain the denials. FAO Malta wasn't really being sarcastic, just factual on this occasion.how much store you put on Butty as a source is another matter. One last thing which keeps me positive is the thought of the repercussions of the bid was knocked back. There would be absolute hell to pay. It seems like the thing has gone too far for it to fail.that's what I'm clinging to anyway. What I'm dying to hear is rumours of stories of a press conference being arranged
Held back from saying anything about this so far because nothing is official yet.. but there will be hell to pay if it doesn't happen. Proven by the poll in the Telegraph. Only 4% of voters want the owners of the club to stay the same. That blows the myths of silent majorities and vocal minorities right out of the water. The club, the town and its fans are ready for a change and have been for a long time. At the minute I would guess that nothing is signed and sealed yet, but a deal is extremely close, and I'm not too concerned about Radio Humberside putting out a clumsy and contrary statement especially if it came from the board, we all know how they can operate at times. Get ready for when it is officially announced Pen Penfras because there will be a massive surge for season tickets and a huge upswell of support for a new regime, and finally, it will be proven that those posters who have been consistently negative about this current regime knew what they were talking about when it comes to the huge potential of a brave new dawn.
Keeping everything crossed here until an official announcement. Far too much at stake for the deal to go wrong..
These things do take time and the EFL and company rules will dictate that too. There are waiting periods between fit and proper person tests and people assuming control. There will be final approvals on funding and financials. Other shareholders will need to be informed. This story broke on Friday so there's pretty much only been five or six "business hours" between that and the weekend. It's unlikely anything will happen over a weekend and we also know some key people have been away.
This means that you're only ever going to get either denials or straight-bat answers to the media until it's all worked out. Even Butty's source, who I don't doubt, has probably given Butty the correct information, but that's not to say things wouldn't change.
I really hope this is true and we get the new ownership we desperately need for both the club and the town, but in business and football nothing's certain. If it does happen, I also think that whatever we've said in the past about GYFR (and I've said some things that have maybe gone too far), we should enter the spirit of the fresh start, by wishing him the best as he steps down and returns to the terraces as a supporter. No good can come of grudge-bearing and vindictiveness.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
You can only marvel at the Fishy and how to really pi1ss on someone's parade with what to me seems the biggest load of b0ll0cks from "somebody in the know" Don't know about an upsurge in season ticket sales, but I reckon Boots may well sell out of Mogadon by the end of play.
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
Only 4 grand. And this is the sort of person Matt Dean works with. We all know that proper people have cars worth £80,000.
#notlettingitrestyet
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Held back from saying anything about this so far because nothing is official yet.. but there will be hell to pay if it doesn't happen. Proven by the poll in the Telegraph. Only 4% of voters want the owners of the club to stay the same. That blows the myths of silent majorities and vocal minorities right out of the water. The club, the town and its fans are ready for a change and have been for a long time. At the minute I would guess that nothing is signed and sealed yet, but a deal is extremely close, and I'm not too concerned about Radio Humberside putting out a clumsy and contrary statement especially if it came from the board, we all know how they can operate at times. Get ready for when it is officially announced Pen Penfras because there will be a massive surge for season tickets and a huge upswell of support for a new regime, and finally, it will be proven that those posters who have been consistently negative about this current regime knew what they were talking about when it comes to the huge potential of a brave new dawn.
Keeping everything crossed here until an official announcement. Far too much at stake for the deal to go wrong..
Playing Devils Advocate, this doesn't prove anything at all. If only the vocal minority voted and the quiet majority didn't, then this is a strawman argument.
They're not exactly going to shout it from the rooftops before the ink is dry.
Liam Wood hasn't made it up and is not exactly going to shred his career by making spurious claims. Something is happening clearly, let's just have a little patience and let things take their course.
I hadn't realised that the GET had actually spoken to Fenty yesterday.I'm extra encouraged by his blandest of blandest response.if there's be nothing in it I'm sure he wouldn't have given that answer given the enormous interest in the story
Having read this thread from the beginning were everybody or almost everybody are over the moon about the news of a take over.
To morbid depression thinking nothing will happen because Uncle shut up told Butty nothing is happening.
I would like to say relax guys these things takes a lot of time,
All will be revealed as soon as the contracts have been signed or talks have broken down.
We all hope well 96% of us want it to happen and I think as Tom ( if I may call him Tom ) is a property developer and is wanting to help his own Town to come into the 21st century there must be a bit of truth in reports of what is happening,
I do not care what radio Ull say because they know nothing because the club do not talk to them and as far as the telewag goes most of the time they just make it up.
So lets be patience and wait for the official announcement that the club is in new hands or not.
Leaks do come out when anything like this is happening and I think too many leaks have come out for it to be untrue that's why the telewag have come out with the story.
Lets hope the matter is resolved sooner rather than later.
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Sadly, this has all come too late for me because i'm past caring. After 48 seasons of steadfast support, i'm looking to do something more enjoyable of a Saturday from now on.
Will it happen anyway? Nothing else has ever come to fruition, so...
We will see, it's like a drug, have tried my best to give up and the current set up is the main reason but it's not that easy, when you live away from the town everybody you know who's interested in football knows you as the Grimsby fan. Decided I wasn't bothering this season, read this thread and suddenly found myself looking at hotels in Morecombe and strategies for breaking it to the Mrs.
Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
I was actually going to suggest OnTheBeach but thought it was too obscure.
Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
I was actually going to suggest OnTheBeach but thought it was too obscure.
Alice?
(As in A Grimsby Town Like Alice)
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
In all seriousness, who is 'shut up' ? Marley? Can i just get straight that i want this to happen as much as anyone, As a few have said its entirely plausible that what i've been told is just a 'smoke grenade' - it is even possible that my source may be in the dark on this for one reason or another...
In all seriousness, who is 'shut up' ? Marley? Can i just get straight that i want this to happen as much as anyone, As a few have said its entirely plausible that what i've been told is just a 'smoke grenade' - it is even possible that my source may be in the dark on this for one reason or another...
Looking back at your post history, you range being absolutely ITK to not having a clue about anything, so forgive us if some of us are somewhat sceptical.
Looking back at your post history, you range being absolutely ITK to not having a clue about anything, so forgive us if some of us are somewhat sceptical.
Haha, yep that's fair enough to be sure, sometimes I just offer opinion - but I've known my source on an info basis for under a year . Everything I've said about wages etc is true - or at least a regurgitation of what I'm told by him. Whenever I make an outright deceleration it is from a director
Haha, yep that's fair enough to be sure, sometimes I just offer opinion - but I've known my source on an info basis for under a year . Everything I've said about wages etc is true - or at least a regurgitation of what I'm told by him. Whenever I make an outright deceleration it is from a director
You mean when you take your foot off the pedal?
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
Question if we are to have an new owner, wouldn’t skysport be reporting on it briefly or are we not important enough
You would think the BBC would also, especially as we are now having a women's team.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
In all honesty - all the ‘I know this/that/itk’ Stuff is incredibly dull and something a 10 year old would partake in. Whether it’s owner rumours, signings or how many had a fry up for breakfast.
B O R I N G
Do what normal folk do and wait for actual developments - and then comment. Instead of hanging on for 10 people saying ‘oh he knows what’s going on about just so you can crack one out after.
In all honesty - all the ‘I know this/that/itk’ Stuff is incredibly dull and something a 10 year old would partake in. Whether it’s owner rumours, signings or how many had a fry up for breakfast.
B O R I N G
Do what normal folk do and wait for actual developments - and then comment. Instead of hanging on for 10 people saying ‘oh he knows what’s going on about just so you can crack one out after.
Hi, just so you're aware being on this forum is optional and certainly not forced.
Butty’s source clearly seems to be Old Shut Up. Maybe he (Marley) is not wrong but simply out of touch (imagine!) ie not in the loop. Yes, got the letter but not been kept up to speed on progress by the Boss, who maybe realised what a liability he has turned out to be to him.
I can imagine the scenario. JSF picks up phone to Ian Fleming.
‘Ian, I have a mission for you while I’m away in the Maldives. Get on your cellphone and give the heads up to the EFL (he’s up with biz lingo you know). Tell them we want them to run a flit and proper person’s check on Tom Shutes for the takeover.’ ‘OK John. Do you want me to let anyone else know while I’m at it. I’ve got that young Liam from the Evening Telegraph with me.’ ‘Don’t worry I’ll tell the others myself after I get back. Oh, if them buggers from Humberside call about it put them on to Stephen.’
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Haha, yep that's fair enough to be sure, sometimes I just offer opinion - but I've known my source on an info basis for under a year . Everything I've said about wages etc is true - or at least a regurgitation of what I'm told by him. Whenever I make an outright deceleration it is from a director
Most sauce's have a shelf life before they can't be digested
Butty’s source clearly seems to be Old Shut Up. Maybe he (Marley) is not wrong but simply out of touch (imagine!) ie not in the loop. Yes, got the letter but not been kept up to speed on progress by the Boss, who maybe realised what a liability he has turned out to be to him.
I can imagine the scenario. JSF picks up phone to Ian Fleming.
‘Ian, I have a mission for you while I’m away in the Maldives. Get on your cellphone and give the heads up to the EFL (he’s up with biz lingo you know). Tell them we want them to run a flit and proper person’s check on Tom Shutes for the takeover.’ ‘OK John. Do you want me to let anyone else know while I’m at it. I’ve got that young Liam from the Evening Telegraph with me.’ ‘Don’t worry I’ll tell the others myself after I get back. Oh, if them buggers from Humberside call about it put them on to Stephen.’
You have my word that Marley is not my source, though I've been hoping exactly what you've said applies to my source too. He's not one of the Fenty brigade so him being kept in the dark for fear of him questioning the authority of the 'supreme leader jsf' is quite possible! Fingers crossed, hopefully we will hear something one way or the other in the next few days.
You have my word that Marley is not my source, though I've been hoping exactly what you've said applies to my source too. He's not one of the Fenty brigade so him being kept in the dark for fear of him questioning the authority of the 'supreme leader jsf' is quite possible! Fingers crossed, hopefully we will hear something one way or the other in the next few days.
Jon Wood then.
"Falls to Arnold... Arnold! That's it! Thats it! He's sealed it! Grimsby Town are back in the football league!!! Just a minute to go and Nathan Arnold makes it 3-1! Look at the scenes behind the goal! Look at the relief! The agony is finally over!!!"
John Tondeur - Wembley Stadium Sunday 15th May 2016
With the greatest respect to the other 4 board members, they are completely irrelevant to anyone wishing to buy GTFC. A new owner would have to buy out Fenty & Fenty alone. As long as the person passes the EFL fit and proper person tests Fenty can sell his shares to that person. He doesn't need board approval to sell his own personal shareholding.
Until a deal is ready to be signed, what Fenty tells the other 4 is up to him. I can't imagine Fenty would tell anything to the board representative (Jon Wood?) especially.
£3,200 is apparently the going rate to let you lord it over the minions and tell them to shut up.
Marley increased his shareholding from £2,000 to £3,200 during the 2017/18 accounting period. Presumably the extra £1,200 is the difference between being civil with Town fans and telling them to "shut up".
Absolutely expect that he will be gripping on for dear life!! Especially now that he knows how much the Town and Community know about it!! He will be holding out for more cash, strangling the club even more!!!
I think we can gather that something is going to happen, more from what Fenty wouldn’t say rather than what he did. Seems he’s remaining tight lipped as a mutual respect to Mr. Shutes who has done the same for about a year now it would seem.
"Falls to Arnold... Arnold! That's it! Thats it! He's sealed it! Grimsby Town are back in the football league!!! Just a minute to go and Nathan Arnold makes it 3-1! Look at the scenes behind the goal! Look at the relief! The agony is finally over!!!"
John Tondeur - Wembley Stadium Sunday 15th May 2016
I think the line "my times up" said it for me...would expect they are going to sit down and hopefully finalise the deal sooner rather than later.. I for one, for once in my life, am staying optimistic. Only concern is Liam Wood said Shutes had passed the EFL "Fit and proper persons" test and I'm not sure if JSF just denied this had happened yet??
I think we can gather that something is going to happen, more from what Fenty wouldn’t say rather than what he did. Seems he’s remaining tight lipped as a mutual respect to Mr. Shutes who has done the same for about a year now it would seem.
I would disagree. I think something is going on, but to say something is actually going to happen is jumping the gun. I fully expect this to all fall flat in the coming weeks.
A little sideswipe at Liam Wood from John there. Just listened to Liam's piece on GT website. He is clear that Shutes has passed the EFL scrutiny. John says that process can only go forward with directors involvement and so far there has not been anything concrete to start that submission to the EFL. Who to believe?
A little sideswipe at Liam Wood from John there. Just listened to Liam's piece on GT website. He is clear that Shutes has passed the EFL scrutiny. John says that process can only go forward with directors involvement and so far there has not been anything concrete to start that submission to the EFL. Who to believe?
Who’s got an established track record of telling the truth?
Seems to be on, been in talks 12 months but basically until deal done can't say much. Says not passed fit and proper person test as no formal offer submitted yet... but that could be a smokecreen?
Basically saying he's wanted out for years, so hopefully if it does come off there's a clean sweep of the boardroom bringing in fresh ideas and Fenty doesn't hang about.
Thanks to Mr. Fenty for supporting us through dark times, despite the f**k ups, but if it does come off I'd like to see a fresh start with a forward thinking Chief Executive after things turning a bit sour in recent times.
Just checked the rules re: fit and proper persons test and...
Because the club can only submit the director's test upon a new owner buying a club the general practice now in place is for contracts to be exchanged with the proviso that the deal is null and void if the new owner(s) doesn't/don't pass the EFL directors test.
i.e. A deal could be completed and contracts signed off, but it would be totally honest for a club to deny the deal is agreed because it would only be formally completed and finalised upon the directors test being passed.
Also, each club has to resubmit each of their owners/directors/shadow directors for the test 14 days before the start of a new EFL season.
Right, that would suggest then he telling truth it not passed yet... Hopefully it has been or soon to be submitted though and Club will announce only when it all passed and sealed.
No idea who John wood is, I can assure you that there are members of the board Fenty has actively stated to me that he would love to be bought out. I think 'anyone would be welcome rather than X' were his words
No idea who John wood is, I can assure you that there are members of the board Fenty has actively stated to me that he would love to be bought out.
Fenty has said the same publicly numerous times. And he's just said it again very, very clearly on Radio Humberside in a speech almost as deluded as Theresa May's resignation speech..
We'll know for sure it's going ahead when JF starts talking about "his legacy"
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
We'll know for sure it's going ahead when JF starts talking about "his legacy"
Fenty's legacy is secure. In his first season as Town chairman we finished 18th in League Two. In his (hopefully) last season as Town non-Chairman we finished 17th in League Two. It's a shame he's leaving because at that rate of progress we would be promoted in the 2128/2129 season.
He can say and think what he likes for me so long as allows fresh blood to come in and mosies off into the Sunset.
Personally I'd have a more humble approach 'I know I've made mistakes and not got everything right but I tried my best and bankrolled the club with significant amounts of my own hard earned money, I hope people can appreciate that' or suchlike
6 minutes that absolutely underlined why so many will be uncorking the champers when the book firmly closes on the Fenty chapter. 6 minutes of bullsh1t and bluster, clichés and unnecessary digs at the local press that the club relies on. Then a reference to his own legacy that’d make Kim Jong Il blush.
Just get the paperwork signed and disappear off into the sunset.
I don`t know a lot about these things, and certainly not how it works in England, but I guess the rules would apply the same in England as in my country; i.e. that when a company is in talks with an interested party that wants to buy a substantial part of the shares, all trading in those shares would be suspended? So... if someone tried to buy some shares in Grimsby Football Club right now.... what would the response be? Can someone "in the know" clarify? Mr. Jolley, maybe?
Didn't take long for Fenty to take the opportunity to big himself up did it? I really, really hope there's no insistence from him that he retains some sort of interest in the club. It's time for a total clean sweep of the old guard.
It looks like it's happening and that rather than the concern of some dodgy asset-stripper coming in we've got a guy/group who will move the club forward and have the best interest of the club as their main priority.
Ticks a lot of boxes, in fact all of them, for me. Committed to the overall regeneration of the area, seeing the club as a vital part of that. This includes the moves to a community stadium as well.
Can only echo what a lot of others have said that this has to about far more than just throwing city money at a promotion push. We all want a vibrant, sustainable and successful football club (on and off the field). Hopefully this guy is someone who can help deliver that for us.
Quite. I think Butty's part in this epic drama is, like John Fenty's, done with.
It's on. A fair bit of paperwork/red tape and face-saving to do but it's gonna happen.
I'm sorry, but just because I didn't take scrupulous account of all minor members doesn't mean I'm a bullshitter. Again, if you don't believe me just inbox me and I'll explain / prove with hard evidence that what I say is directly from a director
Maybe your director friend been told not to leak anything and throwing out red herrings that deal is dead?
Quite possible, he seemed to think that it was Shutes himself that was telling the media... Perhaps trying to push the deal through? - sounds about like he hadn't demonstrated his financial capability yet and that was the holdup, but who knows maybe he has since and Fenty hasn't informed the 'lesser' directors
I think that we can conclude from the interview that this is a very serious development, not some media speculation.
It sounds like Shutes is definitely trying to buy the club, and has been for a year, and that Fenty is keen to sell, providing he can be sure the club would be left in safe hands.
No doubt the fate of the loans is a major factor in the negotiation and potentially a major stumbling block. I guess it will come down to whether Fenty accepts that he has to take a write off of all or part of the loans. He has previously said that no previous Director has had to suffer such a loss. But after 19 years he may be willing to soften this stance in order to move out of the firing line.
We shall see.
I hope that things get resolved quickly though because new ownership might mean a higher budget, and many of the better players will be snapped up in the coming weeks.
I think that we can conclude from the interview that this is a very serious development, not some media speculation.
It sounds like Shutes is definitely trying to buy the club, and has been for a year, and that Fenty is keen to sell, providing he can be sure the club would be left in safe hands.
No doubt the fate of the loans is a major factor in the negotiation and potentially a major stumbling block. I guess it will come down to whether Fenty accepts that he has to take a write off of all or part of the loans. He has previously said that no previous Director has had to suffer such a loss. But after 19 years he may be willing to soften this stance in order to move out of the firing line.
We shall see.
I hope that things get resolved quickly though because new ownership might mean a higher budget, and many of the better players will be snapped up in the coming weeks.
This is why things take time, because no matter what we say about Fenty, he won't let us go to just anybody who has a bit of money, and I do like him for that
I think that we can conclude from the interview that this is a very serious development, not some media speculation.
It sounds like Shutes is definitely trying to buy the club, and has been for a year, and that Fenty is keen to sell, providing he can be sure the club would be left in safe hands.
No doubt the fate of the loans is a major factor in the negotiation and potentially a major stumbling block. I guess it will come down to whether Fenty accepts that he has to take a write off of all or part of the loans. He has previously said that no previous Director has had to suffer such a loss. But after 19 years he may be willing to soften this stance in order to move out of the firing line.
We shall see.
I hope that things get resolved quickly though because new ownership might mean a higher budget, and many of the better players will be snapped up in the coming weeks.
Such a loss? Has he said that? The way I see it is he's gradually been clawing back his loans during the years where the club has made a profit. This has resulted in us having a below par playing budget most seasons.
This means the benign loans must have reduced slightly year-on-year, so presumably the £2m he's put in is now around £1-£1.5m or so? This is guess work of course, but seeing as he owns the club and all it's assets, including Blundell Park, I don't see that he has made, or will make, a loss at all. In other words, after over 15 years of largely under-achieving, Fenty will walk away with a clean slate. There aren't many club owners who, after they've moved on, can actually look at having no accumulated debt from owning a football club; it's supposed to come with the territory.
Other than his hair going grey, and generally being quite unpopular with the fans, he'll pretty much get away with it in fine style if he gets his money back.
I'm sorry, but just because I didn't take scrupulous account of all minor members doesn't mean I'm a bullshitter. Again, if you don't believe me just inbox me and I'll explain / prove with hard evidence that what I say is directly from a director
Butty, I don't know where you're going with this or what you're trying to prove. You posted a few pages back "Sadly I'm afraid it's all tosh apparently"
Today Fenty is in the GET saying talksHAVE been held. With Shutes. That is not tosh by any means and no amount of inboxing you will change that.
I'm not sure what speaking to the media actually achieved.
If nothing else, it confirmed that the board has been talking to Tom Shutes and things are progressing. Everything else is up in the air and left to speculation, again.
There was a lot of filler in there, from Fenty. Lots of empty words.
Fenty won't feel comfortable speaking to the media about any potential deal without consulting Shutes first, and visa versa. It's all bound to be cagey.
I expect us to get more of the nothingness until something concrete actually happens. No details, no updates. We'll know when it's done (or dead in the water).
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
I’d rather it was sorted out properly and miss the transfer window than end up with the wrong solution quickly. Much as I want to see the back of the current regime.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Patience people, patience. I suspect that there is virtually no chance of this being sorted before the season starts. At best I would hope for it to be done by Jan transfer window. But even then, I don't expect a massive injection of cash. This is one hell of a project and will not be solved in the very near future. But for me, the future of the club and the fact it 'hopefully' would be part of the community it what counts. This season I'll settle for a slight improvement on the pitch, providing we can see all we hope for off the pitch. At the moment, too many people my age and not enough youngsters etc going to BP. We all know that our opinion of John and Johns opinion of John may differ somewhat. But if this opportunity enables him to walk away with some of his dignity intact, I don't have a problem with that. But these things do take time.
UTM
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Agree with the others about it being something that needs to be got right, rather than rushed. GYFR seemed to go about as far as he was able to this morning on the Radio whilst still keeping the discretion of others involved.
We can only keep our fingers crossed and wish GYFR and Mr Shutes all the best in their discussions. If this comes off, then the club and town could be a in a very good place.
One possible thing in our favour, given the points raised above about being patient and letting the deal progress at its own pace is that the talks seem to go back a year or so. Hopefully this has smoothed out some of the work, I'm not going to rely on a quick end to it or get my hopes up for things in place pre- season but I'm going to hope like hell it could happen.
Butty, I don't know where you're going with this or what you're trying to prove. You posted a few pages back "Sadly I'm afraid it's all tosh apparently"
Today Fenty is in the GET saying talksHAVE been held. With Shutes. That is not tosh by any means and no amount of inboxing you will change that.
Yeah well Shutes approached them a year ago essentially said I want to buy club build new stadium and regenerate GY etc - club said 'great' but since then he has failed to 'show the money'. The club seem to think that it is him who has told the media. But unless something has changed very recently, or Fenty is Keeping people in the dark, the club think he's 'a time waster' - so yes it's not entirely tosh, I didn't want to let the cat out of the bag right away so to speak. But the idea that it has all been agreed etc and that he has passed test is 'tosh'
Well as it stands , the Grim Tel needs to either corroborate what it published or update the story with the correct information. Someone has got this wrong and has not stated the correct facts, possibly with no ill intent.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Yes. At a shareholders meeting a couple of years ago. It was something along the lines of 'no previous owner has had to write off loans so why should I?'.
The shareholding is in addition to the loans. To buy him out completely you would need to buy out both.
I think the outstanding loan balance is still close to £2mill. As for assets, what is Blundell Park worth? The site is probably around four acres or so. If it were sold for building land it would be worth around £600k to £800k at current market rates, but that is after getting planning consent, which would probably cost at least £50k, and the demolition of the stadium which would also cost thousands. So the net value of the ground is far less than the loans and shareholding.
That means that the best way of getting the loans, or some of them back, is to do a deal with a new owner, rather than put the club into administration. Not that JF, to his credit, has ever suggested he would do that. But it looks very much like getting cash from the new owners would be the best way of cutting losses.
the club reminds me of a girl you've been chasing all your life, you finally get her into bed and she rolls over and says " not today hun" never our day, never our time
Someone put earlier that shutes is only worth just under 1.5 mill . so i am wondering if he is hoping to get his fingers in to the developing the freemo area to earn more cash to make it easier. for him to get the cash.. Something along the lines of the parkway thing where the houses would bring in the cash to pay for it. i have been in business most of my life.. small tho, but when you want to buy something the first thing you ask is how much,,,and you know from the answer if you can afford it out of your pocket. And that makes me wonder if he has the funds to hand without some lash up some how
Well as it stands , the Grim Tel needs to either corroborate what it published or update the story with the correct information. Someone has got this wrong and has not stated the correct facts, possibly with no ill intent.
Wood will hide behind his source a la Matt Dean. If Shutes is spooked by untimely publicity our thirst for info will have been counterproductive. Keep your powder dry Liam!
the club reminds me of a girl you've been chasing all your life, you finally get her into bed and she rolls over and says " not today hun" never our day, never our time
Sounds like there’s deep, dark and sad story behind that Hagrid 😂
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If all his posts on this thread plus the ones directly responding to them were deleted I bet the thread would make a lot more sense. Pity he’s not a Yorkie “Hear all, see all, say nowt.”
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She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Yes. At a shareholders meeting a couple of years ago. It was something along the lines of 'no previous owner has had to write off loans so why should I?'.
The shareholding is in addition to the loans. To buy him out completely you would need to buy out both.
I think the outstanding loan balance is still close to £2mill. As for assets, what is Blundell Park worth? The site is probably around four acres or so. If it were sold for building land it would be worth around £600k to £800k at current market rates, but that is after getting planning consent, which would probably cost at least £50k, and the demolition of the stadium which would also cost thousands. So the net value of the ground is far less than the loans and shareholding.
That means that the best way of getting the loans, or some of them back, is to do a deal with a new owner, rather than put the club into administration. Not that JF, to his credit, has ever suggested he would do that. But it looks very much like getting cash from the new owners would be the best way of cutting losses.
But weren't a large part of the loans incurred when JF " stepped in " to cover the previous regimes mismanagement? He could so easily have walked away at the time. Before " the regulars " jump on my back for defending him , which I'm not, I'm merely pointing out how the whole situation as regards loans panned out in the first place. I hope this deal does go through as it will mean a whole new start for the club for that is something I want as much as anyone
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Why does Mr. Fenty always talk in a language that seems to make sense only to him? There is never a straightforward sentence in answer to simple questions.
I have just read "consummate the facts" in the Telegraph interview. We all have our own ways of speaking obviously, but it intrigues me why he always searches for a difficult word when a simple one would suffice. To me, he always sounds like he is trying too hard.
Whilst I do not process. To know an awful lot about the financial commitments of the directors on the GTFC Board, I can’t understand why the current incumbents have such an influence if the figures below are correct:
Surely there are other liabilities that these directors are responsible for? Or Ian it just more ‘benign loans’ that continue to shackle this Club. It’s truly disgraceful. I remember my late Grandad (God Bless Him), referring to them as hangers on and contributing to the Club with a few Premium Bonds!! I guess this is what he was referring to!!
Whilst I know that JF has made many mistakes but he has guided us through a financial crisis, make no bones about it that this deal does not rest on the suitable custodians of this Football Club but more the best deal possible to line his pocket.
Surely, at the end of this reign, your success can only be measured on how and where you have taken this Football Club. For him to ‘break even’ after two decades of demise is totally unacceptable.
This leadership has not been about the best interests of a football Club but one of a ‘self induced obsession with promoting his own ego’.
It’s time to let go, take your shackles with you and pay on the gate like every other fan!!
I believe some of the other Directors bring other "expertise", one is a former Accountant and I am sure another Director has additional "skill sets", I suppose you can't put a value so easily to that.
Let's hope that all of this can be brought to a conclusion that sees a new era dawn...
Mr Fenty's cash may well have rescued us, his close eye on costs kept us solvent, but his control has stifled us, and ultimately condemned us to stagnation.
He's a man of contradictions, anyone who can say “I think I’ve shown huge humility in the way I've acted....." with no sense of irony lacks a certain self-awareness... At the same time nobody really doubts he's a a fan.
In terms of his 'legacy' maybe his regime will be judged more kindly in the longer term if he hands on the ship to those who can bring transformation to both our club and town. Perhaps then he may be viewed as someone who stood in the gap - even if he ended up being there longer than he or (m)any of us wanted.
I dread to think how his legacy will be viewed if he fails to close this or a similar deal and we have more years in the wilderness - especially if it is the loans that prove to be the deal-breaker.
Why does Mr. Fenty always talk in a language that seems to make sense only to him? There is never a straightforward sentence in answer to simple questions.
I have just read "consummate the facts" in the Telegraph interview. We all have our own ways of speaking obviously, but it intrigues me why he always searches for a difficult word when a simple one would suffice. To me, he always sounds like he is trying too hard.
Wood will hide behind his source a la Matt Dean. If Shutes is spooked by untimely publicity our thirst for info will have been counterproductive. Keep your powder dry Liam!
So either his source is wrong or John Fenty is wrong.
I tend to the ‘member up’ rather than the conspiracy theory in most things. Think there’s a mathematical thing (Occam’s Razor?) which is sort of along these lines. So I wouldn’t be surprised if LW has misinterpreted or been given garbled information or got it from a misinformed source. Either way he should clarify with the source then either clarify the situation in the Grim Tel or confirm belief in the original claim.
Matt Dean did the latter in the infamous Woodhousegate.
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Yes. At a shareholders meeting a couple of years ago. It was something along the lines of 'no previous owner has had to write off loans so why should I?'.
Didn't Dudley Ramsden gift his loans to the club?
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens." (Jimi Hendrix)
Yes. At a shareholders meeting a couple of years ago. It was something along the lines of 'no previous owner has had to write off loans so why should I?'.
Didn't Dudley Ramsden gift his loans to the club?
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens." (Jimi Hendrix)
Think it was the opposite. In fairness to JF I don’t think anyone has written off loans of the absolute amount he has outstanding
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Typical Fenty speak. Using a longer word to make him sound more intelligent, but selecting the wrong one indicating the opposite.
Bit like Del Boy 👍😂
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
Lol I give up, I was trying to give inside info as I'm always grateful when others do, but if you're all just going to reject it outright then it's your loss frankly. For anyone that is interested I have an audio file from my source you might fancy hearing
Even if you have been a guest of a director to a game, why the hell would you come on here and dish out privileged information to impress a bunch of strangers? Surely having a contact that will tell you inner workings is better than getting a bit of kudos on social media.
Even if you have been a guest of a director to a game, why the hell would you come on here and dish out privileged information to impress a bunch of strangers? Surely having a contact that will tell you inner workings is better than getting a bit of kudos on social media.
I'm not revealing anything sensitive, I wasn't told it was privileged info, I am just trying to repay all those who have shared inside info with me in the past on here. If people don't want to take me seriously that's their issue, If I didn't know what I know I'd be pissing myself with excitement like everyone else, and I'm glad I won't have my dreams shattered if this doesn't come through
I'm not revealing anything sensitive, I wasn't told it was privileged info, I am just trying to repay all those who have shared inside info with me in the past on here. If people don't want to take me seriously that's their issue, If I didn't know what I know I'd be pissing myself with excitement like everyone else, and I'm glad I won't have my dreams shattered if this doesn't come through
Yet you seem to be trying to hide your identity from anybody at the club. I'll do them a favour, those pictures are from Stevenage at home on April 6th
Yet you seem to be trying to hide your identity from anybody at the club. I'll do them a favour, those pictures are from Stevenage at home on April 6th
Sorry Pen, you have 1 lifeline remaining! Next guess 😂
Lol I give up, I was trying to give inside info as I'm always grateful when others do, but if you're all just going to reject it outright then it's your loss frankly. For anyone that is interested I have an audio file from my source you might fancy hearing
I was happy to give you the benefit of the doubt until you decided to post a few pictures of you sat behind JF at a match, what the hell does that prove other than you had a complementary ticket for a home match !
Lol I give up, I was trying to give inside info as I'm always grateful when others do, but if you're all just going to reject it outright then it's your loss frankly. For anyone that is interested I have an audio file from my source you might fancy hearing
I have just listened to the Fenty interview with David Burns.
If a takeover can be agreed it is the most important thing to be happening to our club for donkey's years. After a truly dismal and turgid 15 or so years he tried to advance the argument that he has acted in all humility (what context that was in I am not sure) and that he needed to be sure the new owners were the right fit for GTFC! A few "quite frankly's" interspersed with all available cliches shone no light on the situation whatsoever.
Negotiating with him must be like nailing jelly to the wall. If Mr Shutes has been in talks for a year, credit to him for sticking with it, but what is the sticking point? If somebody wants to buy Fenty out, even with some loss to Mr Fenty then surely he owes it to long-suffering fans and the town in general to accept it?
Butty, give it up son. So you sat near JF at a home match, I shared a urinal with him at Braintree but he didn't reveal any secrets or put me in touch with any of his fellow directors, it proves fuckall
I've actually forgotten what you originally claimed you knew to be honest. Did you say the takeover was going ahead or it wasn't? Even Fenty doesn't know so I can't see how a fantasist like you can possibly know
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If this takeover speculation carry's on for a while I can see this thread being a record breaker, it'll be pushing towards 400 posts by tomorrow evening.
What's the record.......about 500?
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Sorry Pen, you have 1 lifeline remaining! Next guess 😂
Unfortunately for you, you left 2 half socks and a shoulder out of your scribbles. One half sock is the bottom and it's black, the other is the top and it's light blue. Shoulder is light blue. From the flag in the corner it's probably a team that plays in red and white. Only team with those kits is Stevenage. Google the highlights and you see the same flag and the same goalkeeper... busted
If this takeover speculation carry's on for a while I can see this thread being a record breaker, it'll be pushing towards 400 posts by tomorrow evening.
What's the record.......about 500?
Has to be the Poojah rant, surely?
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Don't wish to pee on the parade but in all the euphoria about what may or may not happen have we forgotten it nearly the end of June and we are several players away from a full squad and doesn't look like any new names on the horizon.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
I swear this forum has turned into people just ranting for the sake of it. It's like I've walked into a room with an old married couple bickering and moaning about every small thing. Seriously, get a life people. It's getting boring now. This forum use to be welcoming and interesting.
Gone are those days.....
I blocked seeing red ticks years ago so go ahead If I don't reply to you then i didn't read your replies
Don't wish to pee on the parade but in all the euphoria about what may or may not happen have we forgotten it nearly the end of June and we are several players away from a full squad and doesn't look like any new names on the horizon.
Think it’s pretty quiet everywhere with the odd exceptions locally Scunny signed one player and Lincoln none. Managers, players, club secretaries will all be returning into their clubs over the next seven days so things will start moving soon.
Sure contact has already been made with players we want, Hanson said he had been in contact with Jolley for a month before signing so not worried in the slightest.
Rumours are just that and total lack of them is quite refreshing but no doubt those in the know like Butty, will keep us updated as time moves on.
I swear this forum has turned into people just ranting for the sake of it. It's like I've walked into a room with an old married couple bickering and moaning about every small thing. Seriously, get a life people. It's getting boring now. This forum use to be welcoming and interesting.
Gone are those days.....
It’s always like this close season. You wait till schools break up for summer !
you can take the boy out of grimsby......but you can't take grimsby out of his soul, his blood, his semen!
Far clearer than the 6 minutes of John fent y cliche bingo that I just listened to. Really pleased to hear they aim to conclude the talks in the next 6 weeks. Loved the bit that the new boys would have to provide a long term vision for the club. Well that'll be a first.fent y and his mob wouldn't know a long term vision for the club if it got up and smacked them in the face
Every time ’fentyspeak, in public there is a new word or phrase, that I imagine he’s been practising in the bath.
Pilloried was my favourite.
Liabellous was mine.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Following speculation over the last few days, Grimsby Town Football Club can confirm it is in discussions with a number of interested parties relating to the purchase of a shareholding in the Club. While non-disclosure agreements (which contain confidentiality clauses) remain in place, we confirm that these talks are developing and in some cases discussions have been ongoing for almost a year. The Board are keen to progress and conclude these talks before the start of the new season. Supporters, however, can be reassured that no sale will be made without sufficient proof of funding and a compelling, long-term vision outlined for the Football Club. The Board of Directors remain committed as custodians of the club and do not take decisions related to the long-term stability of the Football Club lightly. We wish to further clarify that these ongoing discussions have not impacted preparations for the new season. As evidenced by recent signings of James Hanson and Matt Green – the Board of Directors remain committed to backing Michael extensively as we approach an exciting new season. We will be announcing further player signings in due course and remain extremely optimistic for the club’s short-term and long-term future. Grimsby Town Football Club will make no further comment at this time.
I think you've knocked that Boardroom Guest List up yourself. GTFC would never print Today's Scouts as To-days Scouts..
You're being ironic. Surely?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I'm beginning to wonder if the leak was an 'accidentally on purpose' exercise by the Shutes camp in order to force the issue and force Fentys hand. The result of it seems to have backed Fenty into a bit of a corner. If the deal goes through he comes out with some sort of kudos\ legacy. If the bid fails nobody is going to believe that it wasn't his doing .his life, I would imagine, would become extremely uncomfortable. You've also got to remember the political implications, which is basically that the deputy leader of the council has knocked back a cabal of the very people who the council are trying to involve in the regeneration of the town.wouldn't look very good would it? Would make future discussions on even more important matters very uncomfortable
I dunno I wouldn't like to overthink it, I'm just glad it's happening, once it's done its done and that's a clean slate as far as I'm concerned, I'd wish Mr fenty well and hope he still manages to come and watch games
Yes of course, but I don't like having to use etc.
Bit of a pet hate of mine and I know others are more relaxed about the poor spelling at GTFC but..
If there is a takeover.. can the new custodians please make sure everything the club writes is spelled correctly and in coherent English? We are a PLC after all and these faux pas really do put a lot of people off and lower people's respect for a professional business. Seeing things like today spelled to-day (another picture also features on Twitter with the same mistake in the club shop) really can create a lack of respect and confidence in the club whether from prospective advertisers, sponsors, investors, or potential managers, players etc. Some on here like to write it off as not important, but if the club can't even spell the word today, how can they inspire confidence and professionalism in anything else they do? It's high time for (hopefully) new custodians to raise the bar when it comes to basic and avoidable embarrassing mistakes. Spell checkers and Grammarly have been around for years, it's just plain laziness..
I don't want anyone on here to feel awkward when posting if they feel they're not the best speller in the world, but putting out professional press releases, printed items etc for a business is an entirely different matter..
Yes of course, but I don't like having to use etc.
Bit of a pet hate of mine and I know others are more relaxed about the poor spelling at GTFC but..
If there is a takeover.. can the new custodians please make sure everything the club writes is spelled correctly and in coherent English? We are a PLC after all and these faux pas really do put a lot of people off and lower people's respect for a professional business. Seeing things like today spelled to-day (another picture also features on Twitter with the same mistake in the club shop) really can create a lack of respect and confidence in the club whether from prospective advertisers, sponsors, investors, or potential managers, players etc. Some on here like to write it off as not important, but if the club can't even spell the word today, how can they inspire confidence and professionalism in anything else they do? It's high time for (hopefully) new custodians to raise the bar when it comes to basic and avoidable embarrassing mistakes. Spell checkers and Grammarly have been around for years, it's just plain laziness..
I don't want anyone on here to feel awkward when posting if they feel they're not the best speller in the world, but putting out professional press releases, printed items etc for a business is an entirely different matter..
I had to check
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I wonder if others are involved too. Speculation about David Ross for one and some links to others too.
Schuteses does have connections to Ross doesn’t he? I’d be surprised if it wasn’t more of a consortium type thing. If so there’s be more money around too (hopefully).
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That would wonderful, the visionary philanthropist who rich enough but may not be mega loaded with further great minds and financial clout (Ross etc) on board with him.👌🏻
As for needing a "compelling, long-term vision outlined for the Football Club." would have been nice if the current board looked in the mirror and means tested themselves on this requirement. 🙄
And thinking optimistically (clutching at straws?) hopefully the fact they will make no further statement means they not going to have to sit silently for a long time before big announcement either.
Schuteses does have connections to Ross doesn’t he? I’d be surprised if it wasn’t more of a consortium type thing. If so there’s be more money around too (hopefully).
It is unlikely that this is a takeover by one person, it looks to me to be more like the Ramsden ownership with a front man than a Fenty/Ashley direct type ownership. The chairman many not even be the owner. These people employ people to do the day job of running the business, so I’d expect also a proper chief exec to be an early appointment.
By the way, the correct spelling of the name in Old Grimbarian is Schutseseses.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
I'm beginning to wonder if the leak was an 'accidentally on purpose' exercise by the Shutes camp in order to force the issue and force Fentys hand. The result of it seems to have backed Fenty into a bit of a corner. If the deal goes through he comes out with some sort of kudos\ legacy. If the bid fails nobody is going to believe that it wasn't his doing .his life, I would imagine, would become extremely uncomfortable. You've also got to remember the political implications, which is basically that the deputy leader of the council has knocked back a cabal of the very people who the council are trying to involve in the regeneration of the town.wouldn't look very good would it? Would make future discussions on even more important matters very uncomfortable
If I had to put money on it I’d say the opposite. Leaked by either Fenty or one of his minions to try and hurry Tom Shutes up. Both Fenty and the board statement are playing up the fact that there’s loads of interest. Almost like they’re trying to panic Shutes into concluding matters with the threat of him missing out.
There does seem to be an element of the above in that. The thing about that fit and proper test though is bog standard, and JF would not go out and say we've sold to any old Tom, male private or Harry without doing so as it would then leave him open to even greater scrutiny.
Am reasonably happy with the way things appear to be going. There's nothing wrong being said by either party, and if JF is close to going he's not going to spoil it all by being controversial, is he? And breathe......
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Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
From the sound of the Trust's statement it is pretty close to getting over the line. If they have been discussing fan involvement etc. this suggests to me that the discussions have progressed well to get to that stage.
From the Trust's statement:
"While negotiations continue, we are not able to comment further but rest assured key principles such as fan involvement, sustainability and importance to the community have been established." If these have been established already then it must be close to being concluded you would think.
Obviously no one is going to give too much away (except for Butty's contact of course). But if there is to be significant fan involvement in the running of the club going forward I think an awful lot of peoples dreams will have come true, myself included.
I think the club did the correct thing putting out that statement last night, simply explaining the situation and saying they hoped to conclude the deal before the start of the season.
The car crash of an interview on RH had managed to deflate the situation, just when we were all feeling much more positive, which I am afraid is par for the course.
Like everyone else I really hope the deal goes through, but I expect some hiccups before it is "consummated."
People are taking the p out of Butty, but what he said ie the telegraph article to be wrong was if we believe Fenty (the official club stance) the only real inside info anyone has had from my memory of this thread.
People are taking the p out of Butty, but what he said ie the telegraph article to be wrong was if we believe Fenty (the official club stance) the only real inside info anyone has had from my memory of this thread.
Like I said yesterday, the GT need to do some 'clarification' (correction) to their article.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
People are taking the p out of Butty, but what he said ie the telegraph article to be wrong was if we believe Fenty (the official club stance) the only real inside info anyone has had from my memory of this thread.
Inside info from butty?...really?..read back and you will see his "contact" had told him the whole thing was, to quote, "a load of tosh"... Now ask yourself why we have all ripped the P out of him/her...
Inside info from butty?...really?..read back and you will see his "contact" had told him the whole thing was, to quote, "a load of tosh"... Now ask yourself why we have all ripped the P out of him/her...
It was Tosh in a sense he had not agreed a deal he had not passed the fit and proper person test nor had a deal been on the table for the board to agree on, so other than saying this bloke from London wants to take over the club and is in talks, the rest of the article was a load of tosh,
It was Tosh in a sense he had not agreed a deal he had not passed the fit and proper person test nor had a deal been on the table for the board to agree on, so other than saying this bloke from London wants to take over the club and is in talks, the rest of the article was a load of tosh,
That article was factually correct as it stated" believed to have passed the directors test"..and there obviously is a deal that has to be agreed on..because no way would the club put out a statement saying they want this concluded before the new season starts unless they have been playing tidly winks on the boardroom table for the last 12 months... Oh, I also pm'd Butty, at his request might I add, and as yet I have received no reply so any credibility he may have had flew out of the window...
Inside info from butty?...really?..read back and you will see his "contact" had told him the whole thing was, to quote, "a load of tosh"... Now ask yourself why we have all ripped the P out of him/her...[/quote
Plus Butty shows us a photo of himself sat next to Fenty scribbled out so it could be anybody,
Photo taken from behind so taken by another fan ( Butty ) so how come Butty ends up with the photo ?
I honestly feel Butty needs help so I will not call him again.
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Inside info from butty?...really?..read back and you will see his "contact" had told him the whole thing was, to quote, "a load of tosh"... Now ask yourself why we have all ripped the P out of him/her...[/quote
Plus Butty shows us a photo of himself sat next to Fenty scribbled out so it could be anybody,
Photo taken from behind so taken by another fan ( Butty ) so how come Butty ends up with the photo ?
I honestly feel Butty needs help so I will not call him again.
I'll be first to apologise to the trust. A few months back a lot of people kickked off and said the trust are 'up fentys bottom' and other things. Not being In Grimsby anymore I don't get to see much just what I read on here.. Reading this statement makes me understand why and how the trust has in recent months acted and how they've gone about their business... I'm going to resign up to the trust when I get paid. Its been a while (operation promotion) since I was last a part of it.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
What I'd expect after the furore of the past few days is for the dust to settle. I'd like (hope) to think that there are a few regular updates over the coming weeks and the deal to be concluded. In the mean time, hopefully MJ will be allowed to go about his business getting the squad together and bringing in the remaining players he deems are necessary.
I wonder if all this takeover speculation has unsettled Jolley a little bit.
You never quite know what a new boss/owner has planned or expects do you!!!.....just saying.
Considering its been going on for about a year Considering he's got 2 strikers in Hanson & Ogbu that he has tried to sign for 6-12 months, and finally got them
Considering its been going on for about a year Considering he's got 2 strikers in Hanson & Ogbu that he has tried to sign for 6-12 months, and finally got them
I think he's on an ultimate high at the moment
and given his background i suspect he'll be far more comfortable dealing with the likes of Shutes and Ross than the penny piching, control freakery regime of Fenty
Is there anything tangible to suggest that Shutes and Ross are connected?
they are definitely connected via the Gy Regeneration Board, and one of the better informed Facebookers say they go way back (maybe old school pals. There is also the intriguing coincidence that in 2009 Charles Dunstone (Ross' partner at Carphone Warehouse) married Celia SHUTE (no S according to pres reports at the time). Given how unusual the surname is, one wonders whether that was a spelling mistake and that Celia and Tom are related, although she is consistently named Celia Gordon Shute
I wonder if all this takeover speculation has unsettled Jolley a little bit.
You never quite know what a new boss/owner has planned or expects do you!!!.....just saying.
Seems I’m alone in being a ‘green ticker’ on this PP. Forza may well be right that MJ could be more comfortable working with the likes of Shutses than Fenty, but any new boss has different ideas, so MH would only be human to wonder. It’s then a question of how he deals with this thought. I’d imagine Jolley would be quite analytical, acknowledge then park any concern and conclude his best course is to carry on as he was and do his best. Oh and make sure his contact book is up to date.
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Apparently it's made sky sports news.bit more pressure on fenty...
Why does it put more pressure on Fenty? He wants out so any other media coverage makes no difference. It appears that it could be all " done and dusted " by the start of the season but as long as it happens is all that matters.
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they are definitely connected via the Gy Regeneration Board, and one of the better informed Facebookers say they go way back (maybe old school pals. There is also the intriguing coincidence that in 2009 Charles Dunstone (Ross' partner at Carphone Warehouse) married Celia SHUTE (no S according to pres reports at the time). Given how unusual the surname is, one wonders whether that was a spelling mistake and that Celia and Tom are related, although she is consistently named Celia Gordon Shute
Why does it put more pressure on Fenty? He wants out so any other media coverage makes no difference. It appears that it could be all " done and dusted " by the start of the season but as long as it happens is all that matters.
There is many a slip twixt between cup and lip as they say. I cannot see Fenty going easily, and to be fair to him he holds all the aces. Old cynics like me will believe it when I see it, but national media reports of a takeover will ramp up the pressure a little bit on both parties to agree a deal.
There is many a slip twixt between cup and lip as they say. I cannot see Fenty going easily, and to be fair to him he holds all the aces. Old cynics like me will believe it when I see it, but national media reports of a takeover will ramp up the pressure a little bit on both paties to agree a deal.
exactly. there was a story that the hold up was due to Fenty holding out for more money and a retained influence. The more pressure that's put on him the more pressure there is for him to settle. I don't think this publicity, excitement and anticipation has been to Fenty's advantage at all.It's just backing him into a corner
exactly. there was a story that the hold up was due to Fenty holding out for more money and a retained influence. The more pressure that's put on him the more pressure there is for him to settle. I don't think this publicity, excitement and anticipation has been to Fenty's advantage at all.It's just backing him into a corner
Another example of a "story" becoming fact to suit a anti Fenty viewpoint. There's too much of this on the fishy. Nobody knows what is going on regarding takeovers so stop making stuff up to suit your personal agenda.
exactly. there was a story that the hold up was due to Fenty holding out for more money and a retained influence. The more pressure that's put on him the more pressure there is for him to settle. I don't think this publicity, excitement and anticipation has been to Fenty's advantage at all.It's just backing him into a corner
This " story " was it mentioned in a press release, part of any statement or just some unfounded rumour because somebody told somebody who thought that was the case?
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This " story " was it mentioned in a press release, part of any statement or just some unfounded rumour because somebody told somebody who thought that was the case?
.fair point.you could well be right Rancido. tbf one could equally guess that Fenty is trying to put pressure on Shutes to come up with the money or to 'back down' and agree to Fenty's demands
exactly. there was a story that the hold up was due to Fenty holding out for more money and a retained influence. The more pressure that's put on him the more pressure there is for him to settle. I don't think this publicity, excitement and anticipation has been to Fenty's advantage at all.It's just backing him into a corner
I heard that Fenty is willing to wipe all his debts, as long as the club goes to good hands.
I heard that Fenty is willing to wipe all his debts, as long as the club goes to good hands.
The above is totally made up, but nevermind
That's a bit rich coming from the person who was the first to tell us shutes name (and thanks for doing so), which you got from a Twitter account! At the time you were equally relying on what others were saying. Obviously you were proved to be right, but at present there's nothing to say the 'story' i've heard is incorrect.
PS MIMMA - no personal agenda from me , i'm in neither 1 camp nor the other. i have extremely mixed feelings/opinions on Fenty, i am thankful and exasperated by him in equal measures!
That's a bit rich coming from the person who was the first to tell us shutes name (and thanks for doing so), which you got from a Twitter account! At the time you were equally relying on what others were saying. Obviously you were proved to be right, but at present there's nothing to say the 'story' i've heard is incorrect.
PS MIMMA - no personal agenda from me , i'm in neither 1 camp nor the other. i have extremely mixed feelings/opinions on Fenty, i am thankful and exasperated by him in equal measures!
Wasn't a personal dig at you, was more about how unreliable stories can be, and you could be 100% correct
and to be fair, that twitter page 'Theviewfromthelower' has been spot on with a number of things in the past, which is why I felt was worth posting
Wasn't a personal dig at you, was more about how unreliable stories can be, and you could be 100% correct
and to be fair, that twitter page 'Theviewfromthelower' has been spot on with a number of things in the past, which is why I felt was worth posting
no worries Jarmo - let's not go to war over it! let's just hope both parties are adult enough to come to a quick and mutually beneficial arrangement. The place will go mad with excitement if and when it happens
.fair point.you could well be right Rancido. tbf one could equally guess that Fenty is trying to put pressure on Shutes to come up with the money or to 'back down' and agree to Fenty's demands
You could argue it was good business practice to ask for some evidence as to the sincerity of the purchaser. The expression " put up or shut up" springs to mind but obviously not within earshot of one particular director!!
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Let's face it, there are many potential scenarios and we are innocent bystanders with little more than a passing interest.
I'm sure that John Fenty wants the best deal for both himself and the club and, in all likelihood, didn't want a lot of this to become public knowledge until as late as possible. As he's the largest stakeholder in this, both financially and as a fan, we must trust his judgement to get this right.
They have done well to keep it under wraps for so long. The ‘leaked’ information could be beneficial or not to either party depending on your point of view I guess. I certainly am torn and not looking to give grief to any of those involved. The club official statement was probably the most professional I have seen in a long time. They rightly stated there would be no more comments.
We have made 3 good signings (IMHO) which has been has been overlooked pretty much due to all of this, which is a understandable, but a bit of a shame. I’ll keep an eye on this thread, but I guess from now on it will just be chitter chatter and people’s own conspiracy theories. I sincerely hope it does go ahead. because the backlash if it doesn’t could virtually cripple the club. Even if this guy turns out to be totally unsuitable, the relationship between JF and the fans means he will be slaughtered on social media. So let’s hope for all concerned it goes ahead before too much longer. I’m sure that MJ and the lads will not let this affect them and look forward to a creative midfielder joining the good ship Mariners in due course. UTM
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I don't think there's any need for that. Every one of us who posts on here, including JF/Getyourfactsright, wants the club to be the best that it can be, it's just that some are being a little impatient!
After nearly a year of Twitter inactivity Tom Shutes (@thstas) has just started retweeting GTFC takeover related tweets.
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Call me an old cynic and for as much as I want this to happen, until I see Tom Schutes on the hallowed turf of BP with a black n white scarf over his head I'll believe it when I see it... God knows as a club, town and community do we need this to happen..and I will miss BP...been in my heart, soul and life for 50 years...
Oh dam it I thought there had been a development. I guess Tommy boy tweeting about it could be seen as a positive - if he thinks the deal dying he wouldn't be do so I would have thought
Oh dam it I thought there had been a development. I guess Tommy boy tweeting about it could be seen as a positive - if he thinks the deal dying he wouldn't be do so I would have thought
You're making about as much sense as when I'm sober.
Interesting. Course you could argue the opposite to Rik .i.e. It's not going well and he's trying to ratchet up the pressure on different ways.think that's probably the first time that anyone has thought that one of my tweets is worthy of retweeting
Wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to ramp up the pressure ( hopefully) let's face it if Fenty refuses to go or blocks this supposed take over in anyway i reckon there'll be hell on.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to ramp up the pressure ( hopefully) let's face it if Fenty refuses to go or blocks this supposed take over in anyway i reckon there'll be hell on.
Yep can see another protest of epic scale like the last one, haha... Would be interesting to know ST sales which seems to be top secret.
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Yep can see another protest of epic scale like the last one, haha... Would be interesting to know ST sales which seems to be top secret.
I know there hasn't been anything official but Lisa piggott put on Facebook that they usually sold c.1400 by mid July and that this year they'd sold over 1000 before the end of june
I know there hasn't been anything official but Lisa piggott put on Facebook that they usually sold c.1400 by mid July and that this year they'd sold over 1000 before the end of june
Thanks for the information. Looks like sales will be around normal for this time then regardless of the club's owner.
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Wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to ramp up the pressure ( hopefully) let's face it if Fenty refuses to go or blocks this supposed take over in anyway i reckon there'll be hell on.
If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet.
I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon.
If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet.
I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon.
May stay away,no proof of that will happen. League position and form always has more influence. Yes I think the takeover is critical for the future of the club & moving away from BP. However will be interesting what the effect on attendances the clubs ownership will have. Sounds like very little regarding ST's,pay on the day may be different.
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If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet.
I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon.
I’m not his biggest fan but the offer has to come in and be right . It’s ok pretending to be the knight in shining armour but it’s down to Shutes now .
I’m not his biggest fan but the offer has to come in and be right . It’s ok pretending to be the knight in shining armour but it’s down to Shutes now .
Once again we have no idea at what stage the negotiations are.
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Please elaborate. How do you know the current incumbents aren't being particularly difficult? Under the guise of wanting to ensure future custodians have a positive vision and plan for the club -just like theirs of course
Seems like denials going through Chinese whispers if there's even a hint of truth at all
Directors: let's not talk about the deal
Butty: is there a deal Director:nope Butty: everyone, he said there's no deal
Lincolns mate: so the clubs announced there's negotiations, how's that going Director: don't get your hopes up!
They weren't exactly gonna say 'yep there's a deal but shhhhh don't tell anyone especially the fishy' or say 'yeh it'll be announced on Monday but don't tell that Lincoln mate of yours! '
Think the director would be in much more excrement if they gave some vital details away to some mate and then the deal went wrong, than they would if it went through then all they have to say to said mate is' sorry it was all confidential I had to tell you no'
If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet.
I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon.
Are you saying that more fans are affected by who owns the club than the football that is on display ? On that basis then if we have a great start to the season and are top by mid October then fans will still stay away from BP because JF is still running the club? Most of the people I talk to about GTFC in the clubs and pubs I frequent stay away because of the football and couldn't care less about who owns/runs the club. They would attend because of the football and not the politics.
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Are you saying that more fans are affected by who owns the club than the football that is on display ? On that basis then if we have a great start to the season and are top by mid October then fans will still stay away from BP because JF is still running the club? Most of the people I talk to about GTFC in the clubs and pubs I frequent stay away because of the football and couldn't care less about who owns/runs the club. They would attend because of the football and not the politics.
No I am not saying that. What I am saying is that peoples hopes have been raised by talk of a takeover. That takeover would have galvanised the club and its supporters and would have given lost fans the incentive to go again, and persuaded those that were holding off buying a season ticket until the takeover was completed.
Failure for the takeover to be completed would mean less fans, and supporters would have been more understanding of a bad run of results if they knew the club was headed in a new direction under new owners.
In my opinion it is far more important for the club that Fenty's reign ends asap so we can have a fresh start.
I hope we are top of the league in October, of course I do, but all the fundamental problems will remain.
Are you saying that more fans are affected by who owns the club than the football that is on display ? On that basis then if we have a great start to the season and are top by mid October then fans will still stay away from BP because JF is still running the club? Most of the people I talk to about GTFC in the clubs and pubs I frequent stay away because of the football and couldn't care less about who owns/runs the club. They would attend because of the football and not the politics.
I think you're missing the point. A much better run club would produce more revenue which will help acheive more success on the playing side.
It's not an either or situation. It's not a case of what would you rather have, 'new owners or better performance on the pitch?'
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I think you're missing the point. A much better run club would produce more revenue which will help acheive more success on the playing side.
It's not an either or situation. It's not a case of what would you rather have, 'new owners or better performance on the pitch?'
But the current interpretation of a better run club is "spend less" ....it disregards supporters almost detests them is how it feels sometimes.....
a new owner with exactly the same financial clout as the current one would immediately be better off if they just gave the supporters some respect. It wouldn't take an oligarch or billionaire to improve things....get the supporters on board and the club can go places.
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But the current interpretation of a better run club is "spend less" ....it disregards supporters almost detests them is how it feels sometimes.....
a new owner with exactly the same financial clout as the current one would immediately be better off if they just gave the supporters some respect. It wouldn't take an oligarch or billionaire to improve things....get the supporters on board and the club can go places.
It's just time to break the cycle of a well intending owner having put in the hard yards and a fair slice of his money for seventeen years and only has to show a balancing of the books, a management of the debt to keep it at historically at the same level, and not being able lead the football team to anything other than a low Fourth Division league position or much worse. You can't blame JF for being frustrated that he hasn't done any better and having a bruised ego. The fans can't be blamed for wanting better than his record either, and they certainly don't buy into his futile protestations of his reign being a success. This is the sticking point, this is where the animosity lies, and will only change with a fresh start.
I don't buy into the theory that fans are staying away only because the football has been shite. It's a part of it but not the whole story. Home attendances will go up if the football and results get better, that's not in doubt. But that rise in attendances will only ever be a temporary dilution of what the increases could be. Fans, not just the diehards, need to buy into the clubs plans for the future, have a vision to cling onto and they need the facilities to be proud of and make their matchday experience a decent one even if their team loses or the game isn't great. They don't need an owner chastising them saying it's their fault, they don't understand what a great job he's doing and they're too blind and ungrateful to buy into it. If the "tyrekicker" has a chance of providing the missing pieces of the jigsaw then it's his turn to have a go. We have to break the cycle of ownership sooner rather than later, because with all of the evidence laid out in front of us easily determined from what is now a long history of his ownership, I can't see how JF is going to deliver what we need. He needs a rest from his frustrations and the fans need a rest from his frustrations too. It's time for a change.. and that's the long and the short of it, rather than hoping that the team puts together a few good performances for the fans to come back to a decrepit BP and then drift off when the team starts losing again. To be sustainable, PR and club/fan relationships are so much more than "we do our PR on the the pitch" attitudes seen written lately on this thread and hopefully we can get a new owner that can lead us down a better and more fruitful sustainable path to a club based around a re-invigorated community spirit rather than the torment of a single person's ego and the hope of having one decent season in eighteen at the right end of Division Four..
I think you're missing the point. A much better run club would produce more revenue which will help acheive more success on the playing side.
It's not an either or situation. It's not a case of what would you rather have, 'new owners or better performance on the pitch?'
To clarify, the initial discussion was around attendance & this point:
"If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet. I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon."
Nobody will deny a better run business should increase revenues. The point been made was form & league will always have the most effect on attendance. After the information posted earlier in the thread,the ownership issue is having virtually no influence on current sales of ST's
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
Just out of interest how many ST's have we sold so far ?
From Forza earlier in the thread.
"I know there hasn't been anything official but Lisa piggott put on Facebook that they usually sold c.1400 by mid July and that this year they'd sold over 1000 before the end of june"
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
It certainly sounds like some are saying that who runs / owns the club is more important to them and influences attendances more than results. That cannot be right surely.
I can understand a surge in ST sales because of the Shutes takeover rumour but are we really saying that if Fenty is still in charge and a takeover has not happened by Christmas but we are in the top three with a run of wins behind us crowds will not increase hugely?
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It certainly sounds like some are saying that who runs / owns the club is more important to them and influences attendances more than results. That cannot be right surely.
I can understand a surge in ST sales because of the Shutes takeover rumour but are we really saying that if Fenty is still in charge and a takeover has not happened by Christmas but we are in the top three with a run of wins behind us crowds will not increase hugely?
Of course more fans would go in that scenario, but the Fenty era has run its course, I hope, and the potential for many more fans to get behind the club is there with a new start under new leadership that can galvanise the potential fan base.
Some of us will always go come what may; it is the untapped majority who, under new ownership and the exciting prospect of a better run family club, with its eyes on a better future we are trying to attract.
I think the point might be slightly more subtle.with all the negativity regarding fenty and the poor facilities the lack of excitement all round the club it is very easy to stop going as regularly,to make less effort, not spend as much etc. Change the regime to a more forward looking positive cheerful atmosphere and you will get the opposite effect, people will make that little more effort to go and spend maybe a bit more on merchandise.they'll be enthused rather than feeling beaten down
But the current interpretation of a better run club is "spend less" ....it disregards supporters almost detests them is how it feels sometimes.....
a new owner with exactly the same financial clout as the current one would immediately be better off if they just gave the supporters some respect. It wouldn't take an oligarch or billionaire to improve things....get the supporters on board and the club can go places.
Kind of my point Moosey.
You can chuck in disrespecting the fans and their efforts to contribute to a more successful future.
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To clarify, the initial discussion was around attendance & this point:
"If he doesn't go then more people will stay away and vote with their feet. I hope for all our sakes something is confirmed soon."
Nobody will deny a better run business should increase revenues. The point been made was form & league will always have the most effect on attendance. After the information posted earlier in the thread,the ownership issue is having virtually no influence on current sales of ST's
You and Rancido are going with a narrow interpretation of the debate. No one was saying performance on the pitch was less important than who owns the club. Rancido was setting up a kind of false dichotomy.
We’ll see how it actually pans out in sales soon enough.
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Yes thanks. A polite enquiry but by the tone of your response it's a no.
No I do not have a friend who knows a director but I do know we have not paid a lot of money for any players during the last 17 years sorry if for any offence.
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I think you're missing the point. A much better run club would produce more revenue which will help acheive more success on the playing side.
It's not an either or situation. It's not a case of what would you rather have, 'new owners or better performance on the pitch?'
No , I'm not missing the point. I'm merely expressing the feedback I get from talking to the lapsed supporters I meet and why they no longer attend BP. I understand that a better run club would produce more revenue but most relapsed fans just see the results and base their decisions on that.
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You and Rancido are going with a narrow interpretation of the debate. No one was saying performance on the pitch was less important than who owns the club. Rancido was setting up a kind of false dichotomy.
We’ll see how it actually pans out in sales soon enough.
The earlier discussion was specifically around attendance and not in general about the wide ranging implications of a takeover.
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No I do not have a friend who knows a director but I do know we have not paid a lot of money for any players during the last 17 years sorry if for any offence.
Not a problem & none taken
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No , I'm not missing the point. I'm merely expressing the feedback I get from talking to the lapsed supporters I meet and why they no longer attend BP. I understand that a better run club would produce more revenue but most relapsed fans just see the results and base their decisions on that.
Just part of a bigger picture though isn't it?
The 'lapsed' supporters I know have seen a decline in performance and level and believe that the current regime don't have the wherewithal to do anything about it. Several have accused the likes of you and me of being crackers, continuing to pay for what they see as worse product.
I'm GTFC through thick & thin but I get why others choose to spend their cash on something else.
No , I'm not missing the point. I'm merely expressing the feedback I get from talking to the lapsed supporters I meet and why they no longer attend BP. I understand that a better run club would produce more revenue but most relapsed fans just see the results and base their decisions on that.
Based on what evidence? You're a stickler for people proving their point on here mate, but that doesn't ring true from my circle of friends. A large percentage don't believe in the club anymore and until there's radical change they won't be back. And by radical change they mean a change at the top and a new vision of the future which they can believe in. A lot of them hate what Fenty has done to the club and how low brow, personal and shoddy everything is. They didn't go to the play off final or Crystal Palace, they want something more than a few good results or a big cup game. Until then they are staying way. You think that a few good results and an extra thou on the gate is going to change much at all? You're haven't got a clue what the NE Lincs public think of the club if you think relapsed fans are staying away solely because of results. We played well at Palace, did home attendances go up? No they didn't. Your thinking belongs in the ark along wih Noah I'm afraid..
We do our PR on the pitch is the biggest load of bollox ever, it's 2019 and there are loads more variables to consider other than if we win a few games and look like we could push for the play offs. Even if we do, we won't get more than 6k home fans through the gates at best when the stadium holds nearly nine. You've got a very narrow minded view of a much wider and all encompassing problem..
You and Rancido are going with a narrow interpretation of the debate. No one was saying performance on the pitch was less important than who owns the club. Rancido was setting up a kind of false dichotomy.
We’ll see how it actually pans out in sales soon enough.
My post was in response to the statement by Lew Chaterleys Lover, quote " If he ( JF ) doesn't go then more fans will vote with their feet ". That is a specific definitive statement and I cannot see how that can be misinterpreted any other way, either narrowly or broadly. I also fail to see how I am setting up a kind of " false dichotomy ". Dichotomy : a division into two parts, especially if contrasted. Well, the quote by LCL is a dichotomy and certainly isn't false in relation to that specific statement.
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Based on what evidence? You're a stickler for people proving their point on here mate, but that doesn't ring true from my circle of friends. A large percentage don't believe in the club anymore and until there's radical change they won't be back. And by radical change they mean a change at the top and a new vision of the future which they can believe in. A lot of them hate what Fenty has done to the club and how low brow and shoddy everything is. They didn't go to the play off final or Crystal Palace, they want something more than a few good results or a big cup game. Until then they are staying way. You think that a few good results and an extra thou on the gate is going to change much at all? You're haven't got a clue what the NE Lincs public think of the club if you think relapsed fans are staying away solely because of results. We played well at Palace, did home attendances go up? No they didn't. Your thinking belongs in the ark along wih Noah I'm afraid..
We do our PR on the pitch is the biggest load of bollox ever, it's 2019 and there are loads more variables to consider other than if we win a few games and look like we could push for the play offs. Even if we do, we won't get more than 6k home fans through the gates at best when the stadium holds nearly nine. You've got a very narrow minded view of a much wider and all encompassing problem..
My " evidence " is just based on casual conversations with fans who used to go but don't now because quote " town are rubbish ". They don't go into specifics. Ok , so we don't agree on this but to call me " narrow minded " and " my thinking belongs in the Ark along with Noah " is totally uncalled for. An opinion is exactly that and if you don't agree then fair enough but there is no need to insult somebody because they hold a differing point of view. Your attitude is very akin to the Remainer contingent in the Brexit debate about those who want to leave the EU. Those that want to leave are described by Remainers as " ignorant of the facts, ill-informed, outdated and gullible ".
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Let’s face it.....Everyone just needs, and also deserves, a little bit of faith back.
I think the Takeover will have this effect and whilst John is a fan too, he must realise that the only way we can achieve success is with someone new at the helm.
Let Bygones be bygones John and enjoy the ride as a fan.
My " evidence " is just based on casual conversations with fans who used to go but don't now because quote " town are rubbish ". They don't go into specifics. Ok , so we don't agree on this but to call me " narrow minded " and " my thinking belongs in the Ark along with Noah " is totally uncalled for. An opinion is exactly that and if you don't agree then fair enough but there is no need to insult somebody because they hold a differing point of view. Your attitude is very akin to the Remainer contingent in the Brexit debate about those who want to leave the EU. Those that want to leave are described by Remainers as " ignorant of the facts, ill-informed, outdated and gullible ".
That's my point. You said above they they didn't go into specifics but you specifically claimed it was purely about the results in your previous post.
And I'm basing my opinion on all of your posts where you dish it out to everyone else. Stop being such a drama queen quoting Brexit etc.
GTFC has not recovered from the 90s like many clubs have. There are many unresolved problems the club has to face and a few decent results isn't going to fix it. 80-90% of clubs have moved on, we haven't. Anyone who thinks results are the b all and end all are very narrow minded..
There's little doubt in my mind that if we were in the top 3 playing good football people would turn up at Blundell Park. The issue is that because the current regime have failed to engage the fans and put the club at the heart of the community, many fans have lost their loyalty to GTFC. That makes it very easy not to go when we go on a bad run. Nobody really knows how many fans might go back if the club is taken over but it's bound to give everyone a lift. If we move to a new stadium I think we'd add 2000 in the first year but keeping them depends on results
Several people who post on here and claim to be God almighty don't even go to B.P.
The way things have been going at BP, it's pretty obvious that even God Almighty has given back his season ticket.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
May stay away,no proof of that will happen. League position and form always has more influence. Yes I think the takeover is critical for the future of the club & moving away from BP. However will be interesting what the effect on attendances the clubs ownership will have. Sounds like very little regarding ST's,pay on the day may be different.
I won`t renew my ST til Fenty is gone and several of my friends wont.
It certainly sounds like some are saying that who runs / owns the club is more important to them and influences attendances more than results. That cannot be right surely.
I can understand a surge in ST sales because of the Shutes takeover rumour but are we really saying that if Fenty is still in charge and a takeover has not happened by Christmas but we are in the top three with a run of wins behind us crowds will not increase hugely?
People are going to go to games but in my case not renew there season tickets IF Fenty is still running the show because I am of the opinion nothing will change and I will become very frustrated very quickly as per normal.If were winning games of course I will attend more last Season with a ST I attended 13 out of 23 games and only 4/10 I missed I genuinely couldnt get to. I like the Manager I like most of his players and I like what he is trying to do but I dont like the lack of effort off the pitch over the past umpteen years and I am not prepared to put up with being short changed any longer.
I have no doubt that Town can - in the right circumstances, even now, under the tenure of Fenty - attract a large crowd to BP for a fourth division match.
The problem - the real problem - is sustaining it. When the luck's in the right place, and the wind is blowing in the right direction, we're ok. But as soon as that changes (and it does, because these good things only last for a game or two) we've consistently shown throughout the Fenty era that we can't build on it.
This regime doesn't know how.
It doesn't know how to capitalise on a good thing. Fenty didn't give Hurst what he wanted to take this club forward. The squad got broken up more than any of us liked. The £110k that fans raised unprompted went on clearing debts. How hard would it have been to say that it helped bring Omar to the club? Even if it wasn't true?
I truly believe that this club can achieve 10,000 fans for home games IF we are run sensibly and with a modern proactive board who not only recognise and embrace new marketing strategies but know how to actually run them.
We're crying out for modernisation, not just in the material things but in the way we think.
I didn't start supporting the Mariners for the glory. No one does. I enjoy it when some comes along, but I started supporting the Mariners because it was in my family, and it represented the town I grew up in.
If we engage the local population in the right way, make them feel valued, and make attending games a ritual again, then we'll have a better chance of sustaining decent attendances - irrespective (to some degree) of how we perform on the pitch.
Watching the Mariners needs to be made easy. Buying tickets needs to be easy. Engagement on social media has to be better (although I acknowledge it's improved recently). If we're in the community, we need to shout about it more. I'm not an expert in these matters, but neither is Fenty, which is why a takeover isn't just about how much cash Shutes has got, but more about his marketing acumen.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
I have no doubt that Town can - in the right circumstances, even now, under the tenure of Fenty - attract a large crowd to BP for a fourth division match.
The problem - the real problem - is sustaining it. When the luck's in the right place, and the wind is blowing in the right direction, we're ok. But as soon as that changes (and it does, because these good things only last for a game or two) we've consistently shown throughout the Fenty era that we can't build on it.
This regime doesn't know how.
It doesn't know how to capitalise on a good thing. Fenty didn't give Hurst what he wanted to take this club forward. The squad got broken up more than any of us liked. The £110k that fans raised unprompted went on clearing debts. How hard would it have been to say that it helped bring Omar to the club? Even if it wasn't true?
I truly believe that this club can achieve 10,000 fans for home games IF we are run sensibly and with a modern proactive board who not only recognise and embrace new marketing strategies but know how to actually run them.
We're crying out for modernisation, not just in the material things but in the way we think.
I didn't start supporting the Mariners for the glory. No one does. I enjoy it when some comes along, but I started supporting the Mariners because it was in my family, and it represented the town I grew up in.
If we engage the local population in the right way, make them feel valued, and make attending games a ritual again, then we'll have a better chance of sustaining decent attendances - irrespective (to some degree) of how we perform on the pitch.
Watching the Mariners needs to be made easy. Buying tickets needs to be easy. Engagement on social media has to be better (although I acknowledge it's improved recently). If we're in the community, we need to shout about it more. I'm not an expert in these matters, but neither is Fenty, which is why a takeover isn't just about how much cash Shutes has got, but more about his marketing acumen.
I totally agree 10k seems a hell of a lot but in real terms it isn`t the fans and interest are out there but peaking and sustaining that interest is something else.Fenty/Board whilst copping a lot of flak has engaed with the fans more than the previous boards and they have done some good work.The problem they have never followed it up and seem to take umbrage the minute they get some criticism even if it`s constructive or worthy of at least looking into . Just so people can be sure this critism is balanced in 98 with a Wembley Double and promotion to the Championship the then board sat still and did nothing to try and entice the 30k that followed Town to Wembley into BP the following Season.They sat back and took the they will come attitude and whilst the gates went up to a slightly better than usual average for the first season they soon went back down to the norm.Our next promotion under Hurst the current board adopted the same mentality and once again the same thing has happened whilst Lincoln showed what can be done off the pitch if you are prepared to look outside the box whilst starting with a lower average gate than ourselves.
I totally agree 10k seems a hell of a lot but in real terms it isn`t the fans and interest are out there but peaking and sustaining that interest is something else.Fenty/Board whilst copping a lot of flak has engaed with the fans more than the previous boards and they have done some good work.The problem they have never followed it up and seem to take umbrage the minute they get some criticism even if it`s constructive or worthy of at least looking into . Just so people can be sure this critism is balanced in 98 with a Wembley Double and promotion to the Championship the then board sat still and did nothing to try and entice the 30k that followed Town to Wembley into BP the following Season.They sat back and took the they will come attitude and whilst the gates went up to a slightly better than usual average for the first season they soon went back down to the norm.Our next promotion under Hurst the current board adopted the same mentality and once again the same thing has happened whilst Lincoln showed what can be done off the pitch if you are prepared to look outside the box whilst starting with a lower average gate than ourselves.
They may have started with a lower average gate, but Lincoln is growing (in population) and getting wealthier whilst Gy is shrinking with stagnating wages. I don't expect many students go to SB but the Uni attracts jobs and businesses. The Medical School opens there in September - more high paid jobs. Don't forget LCFC have as long a history as Town - both founder members of the 2nd Division; not as successful as ours mind and Town used to have the stronger support in the north Lincs hinterland and down the coast which is why with a new stadium, ambitious Board and the rght leadership we could get some of that back and match their current attendances but I doubt we could better them all other things being equal. It would be great to get big local derby crowds again - if both clubs were League 1 15k could be acheived if we both had the stadia to fit them in.
apparently there is a press conference this morning regarding Gy regeneration. Doubt it will shed any light on the situation but if anyone listens, could they update us with any interesting mammary-bits that might come out?
If Fenty sells out to Shutes and gets his loans back will he then be released from any 'personal interest ban' and will he be able to be involved in any council decisions about Freeman Street and the new stadium
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If Fenty sells out to Shutes and gets his loans back will he then be released from any 'personal interest ban' and will he be able to be involved in any council decisions about Freeman Street and the new stadium
I don't think he would be able to get involved in the decision making process whatever. From government website:-
"They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends."
Would be impossible to say there's no conflict of interest in a decision regarding a football club/business he owned for nearly 2 decades.
About time that a decent amount of money was spent on something for the 'Youth' of the town so that's good news. Too much taken away due to austerity and the kids need some sort of facilities. Doesn't help those who lost out, however.
If this investment in the town as a whole can be linked in with regeneration of the club, it could potentially be something very good indeed.
If Fenty sells out to Shutes and gets his loans back will he then be released from any 'personal interest ban' and will he be able to be involved in any council decisions about Freeman Street and the new stadium
If he retains any shares or is on the Board then he would have to declare that at any Council meeting concerning the ground and would be excluded from all discussions and decision making.
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i know i am a cynical old git but ... one year on from the 80 odd million town deal was sealed and the council announce the first actual project to be created by that money....... a youth club with a nail bar and a climbing wall . FFS !
and Onn and Vickers want to be the first to try the zip line ...fking politicians.
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i know i am a cynical old git but ... one year on from the 80 odd million town deal was sealed and the council announce the first actual project to be created by that money....... a youth club with a nail bar and a climbing wall . FFS !
and Onn and Vickers want to be the first to try the zip line ...fking politicians.
Don't forget the YMCA doss house in the new all singing all dancing wonderful new toerag free Freemo
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
i know i am a cynical old git but ... one year on from the 80 odd million town deal was sealed and the council announce the first actual project to be created by that money....... a youth club with a nail bar and a climbing wall . FFS !
and Onn and Vickers want to be the first to try the zip line ...fking politicians.
Yeah much better for the kids to be hanging around on street corners rather than having somewhere to potentially expend their energy more usefully. There's crap all to do in Grimsby for kids so giving them some other options can only be a good thing.
Yeah much better for the kids to be hanging around on street corners rather than having somewhere to potentially expend their energy more usefully. There's crap all to do in Grimsby for kids so giving them some other options can only be a good thing.
pity they previously closed all the local youth clubs then.
Not saying the kids dont need something....but we have a waited a year for this massive scheme...thousands of jobs, thousands of homes, .............somewhere for the kids to hang out and smiling politicans on a zip line.
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So, with less than 3 weeks now until the season starts, is it likely that the takeover will happen. We’ve gone from 0-60 on Social Media and in the Newspapers and now back down to reverse.
I hope that I’m wrong but I have a gut feeling that it’s not going to happen. There was also some talk of big names that we were looking at?
So, with less than 3 weeks now until the season starts, is it likely that the takeover will happen. We’ve gone from 0-60 on Social Media and in the Newspapers and now back down to reverse.
I hope that I’m wrong but I have a gut feeling that it’s not going to happen. There was also some talk of big names that we were looking at?
Praying that this actually happens!!!
Typical of GTFC in its current form I'm afraid... If this has been in negotiations for a year and JF wanted it done by the season opener then I am starting to think someone's dragging their brogues across the floor.. From what, only 3 weeks ago, sent nearly every town into hysteria has down brought us back to an earth with a bump louder than the 'big bang'.. Still, I'll be there next season with season ticket in hand hoping for some entertaining football and a run at the play offs...
The main problem for us is that we don't know what stage the negotiations were at when the story broke.we just have to hope that they can get it over the line, so long as the deal is done it doesn't really matter whether it's concluded in 3 days, 3 weeks of 3 months
Just found something in yesterdays Garth Lane announcement :-
And in more good news for Grimsby's future, Mr Jackson also said talks were underway with private investors about the long-awaited new community stadium for Grimsby Town FC.
The main problem for us is that we don't know what stage the negotiations were at when the story broke.we just have to hope that they can get it over the line, so long as the deal is done it doesn't really matter whether it's concluded in 3 days, 3 weeks of 3 months
Well clearly the Grim Tel’s ‘understanding’ that the buyer had passed the ‘fit and proper person’s test’ was way off the mark.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Is it too late to send my objection form in for the proposed Great Cts. site--just found it when got round to hoovering up.
I had the form from 1988 when we were canvassed about moving at a game and handed forms to fill in and return.Action 88 anyone remember who they were or what happened to that group? Before my time but I heard FA Would also wanted to move the ground but got gazumped on the land?
allegedly! although that still doesn't give us any indication as to what stage the negotiations were at
Given that the process is that the club is supposed to submit the request for the FA/FL to run the ‘test’ the GT article implied negotiations were near completion. The test is normally done when the parties are in substantial agreement. The fact of a club asking for the test to be done indicates they want it to happen. Alternatively I suppose a club could use the test as some sort of ‘pre-qualification’ before starting talks in earnest - ‘there’s no point in us even talking to you if the FA are later going to rule you out’.
Since that article Fenty has said the prospective buyer(s) haven’t demonstrated they have the funds or shown their ‘vision ‘ for the club. This would suggest things are not as advanced as the GT article implied. Unless that alternative approach was being used and the club is then applying a higher standard than the FA test (probably not a bad idea given the apparent ease with which some clubs have been taken over ...,, Leyton Orient’s last owner e.g.)
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I am increasingly concerned that Shutes hasn't got the money whether he just hasn't got the cash period and is looking for another backer or whether Fenty is simply asking too much, either way I fear cash is the problem and in fairness I don't want a takeover by someone who can't invest some funds into the club.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
That’s not different from now though is it? No one has ‘invested’ in this club for yonks.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
That’s not different from now though is it? No one has ‘invested’ in this club for yonks.
Very true, in fact that is one of the sticks we beat Fenty with so I thought we wanted someone to come in who would invest.
If Shutes isn't going to invest then surely there's not much point us all getting excited and wanting him to takeover, unless of course we just want Fenty out at any price and it doesn't really matter if the new man changes things or not.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Very true, in fact that is one of the sticks we beat Fenty with so I thought we wanted someone to come in who would invest.
If Shutes isn't going to invest then surely there's not much point us all getting excited and wanting him to takeover, unless of course we just want Fenty out at any price and it doesn't really matter if the new man changes things or not.
My view is that the club is not being run very well and that no outside attention seems to be welcome.
I’m realistic enough to accept that no-one is going to come in and throw millions at the club. But even if a new owner didn’t particularly invest. I believe the club could still improve just by better management at board level.
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She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Very true, in fact that is one of the sticks we beat Fenty with so I thought we wanted someone to come in who would invest.
If Shutes isn't going to invest then surely there's not much point us all getting excited and wanting him to takeover, unless of course we just want Fenty out at any price and it doesn't really matter if the new man changes things or not.
I don’t know where the ‘we’ comes from in ‘we wanted someone to come in who would invest’. I (and quite a lot of of other posters) have said we want someone to come in and run the club better and help it fulfill its potential. Extra money for the squad would come from improved income.
I wouldn’t want any Tom, male private or Harry to take over the club. I expect the Trust to be looking at that from the supporters’ point of view and not trusting to the football authorities. Not quite ABF.
As for beating Fenty with that stick. I think you’ve misrepresented it again. It’s not the lack of money he’s put in, it’s the way he’s run things leading, amongst other things, to lost revenue and poor performance.
But you know all that really. You’re not stupid. Just provocative.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
My view is that the club is not being run very well and that no outside attention seems to be welcome.
I’m realistic enough to accept that no-one is going to come in and throw millions at the club. But even if a new owner didn’t particularly invest. I believe the club could still improve just by better management at board level.
Just to take that a stage further, my fear is that any potential investor would look at the club as it stands and see that it is worth next to nothing.
The advantage of a property investor being interested is that he will have more insight into the potential of a new stadium and has probably had discussions with NELC, the Freemen and ABP.
I don’t know where the ‘we’ comes from in ‘we wanted someone to come in who would invest’. I (and quite a lot of of other posters) have said we want someone to come in and run the club better and help it fulfill its potential. Extra money for the squad would come from improved income.
I wouldn’t want any Tom, male private or Harry to take over the club. I expect the Trust to be looking at that from the supporters’ point of view and not trusting to the football authorities. Not quite ABF.
As for beating Fenty with that stick. I think you’ve misrepresented it again. It’s not the lack of money he’s put in, it’s the way he’s run things leading, amongst other things, to lost revenue and poor performance.
But you know all that really. You’re not stupid. Just provocative.
I agree and also with Civvy, I have been banging on for seasons about how poorly this club has been run from top to bottom.
Blundell Park has been run down on the pretence that we will have a new stadium so that some parts of it look like Steptoe's back yard. The floodlights have been crap for the past few years and now when the likelyhood of a new ground seems nearer we are spending God knows how much on upgrading them.
I don’t know where the ‘we’ comes from in ‘we wanted someone to come in who would invest’. I (and quite a lot of of other posters) have said we want someone to come in and run the club better and help it fulfill its potential. Extra money for the squad would come from improved income.
I wouldn’t want any Tom, male private or Harry to take over the club. I expect the Trust to be looking at that from the supporters’ point of view and not trusting to the football authorities. Not quite ABF.
As for beating Fenty with that stick. I think you’ve misrepresented it again. It’s not the lack of money he’s put in, it’s the way he’s run things leading, amongst other things, to lost revenue and poor performance.
But you know all that really. You’re not stupid. Just provocative.
Oh do go and intercourse yourself, I can't be bothered to find them now but there are no end of posts complaining that Fenty hasn't invested anything in the club for years, I merely pointed out that any potential buyer would ideally have money to invest not just simply bringing a new outlook to the boardroom. No point in a new man who hasn't got a pot to urine in.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Oh do go and intercourse yourself, I can't be bothered to find them now but there are no end of posts complaining that Fenty hasn't invested anything in the club for years, I merely pointed out that any potential buyer would ideally have money to invest not just simply bringing a new outlook to the boardroom. No point in a new man who hasn't got a pot to urine in.
Its not just about "investing" though is it. How much money has the current incumbent ended up costing us through poor managerial decisions (running the club side that is) over the years? Our spell in the non-league alone would have been pretty costly. Lets not forget he reappointed Slade which nearly meant a return to the abyss after two years!
Yes it would be nice to have someone bankroll us. But you have to ask yourself why is that 2+million on the balance sheet if at some point Mr. Fenty did not invest? He clearly has done...just a shame it has proved to be a waste of money over the long term.
I would prefer someone who connects the club with the community properly, the recent launch of the fans of the future show that things are changing slowly even if the take over does not happen. Just hope that that scheme is not a one off and it can be a pandoras box so to speak in terms of the club allowing for fresh ideas from the fans which will ultimately be of benefit to the club.
Oh do go and intercourse yourself, I can't be bothered to find them now but there are no end of posts complaining that Fenty hasn't invested anything in the club for years, I merely pointed out that any potential buyer would ideally have money to invest not just simply bringing a new outlook to the boardroom. No point in a new man who hasn't got a pot to urine in.
Unless a restructuring or reorganisation can be managed!
Maybe getting people in to do a job that they have a track record in for a start, or at least some knowledge of. Or would you prefer the catering at the ground continue to be done by Edna's baby sitting squad and the pr done by swastika's-are-us (cleckeaton branch)
Just going back to how long this takeover as taken,
It's normal these things take time it was said when we leave the EU it could take 10 years to do a trade deal. What the fook ??????? Can 't they say we want to buy your products tariff free and in return we will sell you ours tariff free,
So why does it take so long to buy a small footy club.?
Me thinks it could be all the money grabbing legal people doing the paperwork @ £200+ per hour
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Oh do go and intercourse yourself, I can't be bothered to find them now but there are no end of posts complaining that Fenty hasn't invested anything in the club for years, I merely pointed out that any potential buyer would ideally have money to invest not just simply bringing a new outlook to the boardroom. No point in a new man who hasn't got a pot to urine in.
Ooooooooooooh! Calm down love.
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Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I wouldn’t want any Tom, male private or Harry to take over the club. I expect the Trust to be looking at that from the supporters’ point of view and not trusting to the football authorities. Not quite ABF.
Now, we could have a problem there!
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Just going back to how long this takeover as taken,
It's normal these things take time it was said when we leave the EU it could take 10 years to do a trade deal. What the fook ??????? Can 't they say we want to buy your products tariff free and in return we will sell you ours tariff free,
So why does it take so long to buy a small footy club.?
Me thinks it could be all the money grabbing legal people doing the paperwork @ £200+ per hour
Who knows the issues surrounding the takeover. Are you suggesting the legal teams are purposely delaying to increase their fees?? Nice conspiracy theory but you've probably been watching too many movies.
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The issue will be Fenty's loans, of that I'm sure. 'Must have a clear vision for the club'... No, must be willing to pay back Fenty his millions more like.
I am increasingly concerned that Shutes hasn't got the money whether he just hasn't got the cash period and is looking for another backer or whether Fenty is simply asking too much, either way I fear cash is the problem and in fairness I don't want a takeover by someone who can't invest some funds into the club.
Obviously fresh investment is needed, but if it was a choice of staying as we are or being taken over by new owners with a small cash investment, a new outlook, a new beginning, a restructuring of how the club is run, new potential contacts for further investment, decent PR, a better narrative with the fanbase, a better cv with community developments, already heavily involved in the New Town Deal, a new board that embraces change and an open collaborative demeanour without having the hassle of council business conflicts of interest with the new stadium.. then I'd take that as a new starting point for a fresh future, with or without a large dollop of cash to go with it.. preferably with though!
The issue will be Fenty's loans, of that I'm sure. 'Must have a clear vision for the club'... No, must be willing to pay back Fenty his millions more like.
Absolutely this!! 100%!! Strangling the Club, needing to feed his own ego, lasting legacy!! It’s all absolute bo11ocks!! He needs to leave and take his cronies and their £250 premium bonds with them!!!
It doesn't matter who the majority shareholder is. It'll be the same people running the club day to say and thats the issue.
No business minded consortium would allow things to continue as they are. I am sure they realise that the day to day running of the club can be improved with a new mindset and/or fresh faces.
I have no doubt that Town can - in the right circumstances, even now, under the tenure of Fenty - attract a large crowd to BP for a fourth division match.
The problem - the real problem - is sustaining it. When the luck's in the right place, and the wind is blowing in the right direction, we're ok. But as soon as that changes (and it does, because these good things only last for a game or two) we've consistently shown throughout the Fenty era that we can't build on it.
This regime doesn't know how.
It doesn't know how to capitalise on a good thing. Fenty didn't give Hurst what he wanted to take this club forward. The squad got broken up more than any of us liked. The £110k that fans raised unprompted went on clearing debts. How hard would it have been to say that it helped bring Omar to the club? Even if it wasn't true?
I truly believe that this club can achieve 10,000 fans for home games IF we are run sensibly and with a modern proactive board who not only recognise and embrace new marketing strategies but know how to actually run them.
We're crying out for modernisation, not just in the material things but in the way we think.
I didn't start supporting the Mariners for the glory. No one does. I enjoy it when some comes along, but I started supporting the Mariners because it was in my family, and it represented the town I grew up in.
If we engage the local population in the right way, make them feel valued, and make attending games a ritual again, then we'll have a better chance of sustaining decent attendances - irrespective (to some degree) of how we perform on the pitch.
Watching the Mariners needs to be made easy. Buying tickets needs to be easy. Engagement on social media has to be better (although I acknowledge it's improved recently). If we're in the community, we need to shout about it more. I'm not an expert in these matters, but neither is Fenty, which is why a takeover isn't just about how much cash Shutes has got, but more about his marketing acumen.
Kidnap Fenty and co and bring them to Bristol City, yes appreciate bigger town and club but the little things like fans entertainment before game, ease to buy tickets, the family area, the organised bars and on and in. Exeter City seem to have it right too.
Hearing rumours of progress in what might be an alternative venue to the new stadium. Facebook's praise and grumble site have strongly suggested that fish dock no.3 will be the site of the new stadium and the story I've heard tends to support this
Hearing rumours of progress in what might be an alternative venue to the new stadium. Facebook's praise and grumble site have strongly suggested that fish dock no.3 will be the site of the new stadium and the story I've heard tends to support this
The only issue is ABP....Believe me, I worked for them for 19 years and now owned by venture capitalists who won't give up land without a premium price tag... A..all B...bullshite & P..promises..
is the whole takeover deal absolutely dependant on the new ground getting confirmation? Taking the club forward can only be done with a new ground, could the potential buyers be putting that deal forward; thrash out the exact new ground location, set a date for the start or there's no buyout?
Firstly my apologies for my reply to your earlier post but I am frankly drunk off with every post I make being either attacked or disputed.
Whether you recall them or not there have been a large number of posts complaining that Fenty (and his three stooges on the board) have made no investment in the club for years (or ever in the case of the three stooges) and I merely expressed the opinion that any potential buyer (and I am not creaming my jeans like so many on here about Shutes) needs to bring money into the club not just re-jigging the boardroom, increasing junior fans interest (whilst reducing their ST price) improving the club's image and relations with virtually everybody. Only results will bring numbers into BP. A few silly sods will return when Fenty has gone but nothing will change on the pitch unless money is invested in players. Once again I refer to the many moans and groans about what budget Jolley will be getting.
This is just one example, (the one involving us two) but every one of my posts is attacked in some way, not just the ones where I express an opinion, (everyone is entitled to an opinion surely, even on the Fishy) but the factual ones too.
Not getting all excited about the takeover, not posting outrageous ideas about Dock Station, not enthusing because we put 8 past Cleethorpes Town, pointing out that the beautiful tree lined approaches to the new ground with families happily enjoying picnics before the game, as depicted in the artists impression will not happen,( knocking down a few office blocks and 1960s buildings will not turn Freeman Street into a pleasant haven) etc etc appears to be a criminal offence on here.
I would ask Rob to ban me so I can't post but I will need to remain a member so I can participate in Les's Prediction compo, otherwise I refer the learned member to my earlier 'go intercourse yourself' statement and to whoever else it might apply.
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Firstly my apologies for my reply to your earlier post but I am frankly drunk off with every post I make being either attacked or disputed.
Whether you recall them or not there have been a large number of posts complaining that Fenty (and his three stooges on the board) have made no investment in the club for years (or ever in the case of the three stooges) and I merely expressed the opinion that any potential buyer (and I am not creaming my jeans like so many on here about Shutes) needs to bring money into the club not just re-jigging the boardroom, increasing junior fans interest (whilst reducing their ST price) improving the club's image and relations with virtually everybody. Only results will bring numbers into BP. A few silly sods will return when Fenty has gone but nothing will change on the pitch unless money is invested in players. Once again I refer to the many moans and groans about what budget Jolley will be getting.
This is just one example, (the one involving us two) but every one of my posts is attacked in some way, not just the ones where I express an opinion, (everyone is entitled to an opinion surely, even on the Fishy) but the factual ones too.
Not getting all excited about the takeover, not posting outrageous ideas about Dock Station, not enthusing because we put 8 past Cleethorpes Town, pointing out that the beautiful tree lined approaches to the new ground with families happily enjoying picnics before the game, as depicted in the artists impression will not happen,( knocking down a few office blocks and 1960s buildings will not turn Freeman Street into a pleasant haven) etc etc appears to be a criminal offence on here.
I would ask Rob to ban me so I can't post but I will need to remain a member so I can participate in Les's Prediction compo, otherwise I refer the learned member to my earlier 'go intercourse yourself' statement and to whoever else it might apply.
Rob, please can we have a ‘flounce of the week’ award.
I think we have our first winner 👍
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Firstly my apologies for my reply to your earlier post but I am frankly drunk off with every post I make being either attacked or disputed.
Whether you recall them or not there have been a large number of posts complaining that Fenty (and his three stooges on the board) have made no investment in the club for years (or ever in the case of the three stooges) and I merely expressed the opinion that any potential buyer (and I am not creaming my jeans like so many on here about Shutes) needs to bring money into the club not just re-jigging the boardroom, increasing junior fans interest (whilst reducing their ST price) improving the club's image and relations with virtually everybody. Only results will bring numbers into BP. A few silly sods will return when Fenty has gone but nothing will change on the pitch unless money is invested in players. Once again I refer to the many moans and groans about what budget Jolley will be getting.
This is just one example, (the one involving us two) but every one of my posts is attacked in some way, not just the ones where I express an opinion, (everyone is entitled to an opinion surely, even on the Fishy) but the factual ones too.
Not getting all excited about the takeover, not posting outrageous ideas about Dock Station, not enthusing because we put 8 past Cleethorpes Town, pointing out that the beautiful tree lined approaches to the new ground with families happily enjoying picnics before the game, as depicted in the artists impression will not happen,( knocking down a few office blocks and 1960s buildings will not turn Freeman Street into a pleasant haven) etc etc appears to be a criminal offence on here.
I would ask Rob to ban me so I can't post but I will need to remain a member so I can participate in Les's Prediction compo, otherwise I refer the learned member to my earlier 'go intercourse yourself' statement and to whoever else it might apply.
That’s big of you to say that Swin (opening paragraph). Then you go and queer the pitch with the last one.
You will get attacked though if you appear to go out of your way to be negative. Maybe you don’t mean to but it looks like you court it.
I share your reservations and even to some extent cynicism about the future. I know next to nothing about Shutes or his motivations. I can only trust in the Trust to represent our interests. I’m hopeful for the new ground but I don’t expect it to happen.
There are those who just want some rich bloke to splash the cash on GTFC, who don’t care as long as there’s success on the pitch. But there seems to be at least as many on here who want it done in a sustainable way.
Anyway I’m off to buy a dildo. 😀
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'Swin you make debates happen with the counterweight to what could be at times blind positivity, so although it aggitates people at times (myself included) please carry on. Just gotta have thick skin, don't take things personally.
Hearing rumours of progress in what might be an alternative venue to the new stadium. Facebook's praise and grumble site have strongly suggested that fish dock no.3 will be the site of the new stadium and the story I've heard tends to support this
I haven't been on the docks for a considerably long time but wouldn't No3Fish Dock have to be filled in first? That would involve a large amount being taken out of the budget for a stadium before even any construction has taken place.
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I haven't been on the docks for a considerably long time but wouldn't No3Fish Dock have to be filled in first? That would involve a large amount being taken out of the budget for a stadium before even any construction has taken place.
Yes,but apparently there are outside investors willing to 'take the plunge'. If you have a look at the gtf C praise and grumble facebook page those very concerns are raised
Is this the other location that the club was reported to be looking at? Why go to the trouble and expense of filling in a dock when there is a stadium-sized brownfield site at Freeman Street? Is it because certain people don't want to park their precious cars on the East Marsh?
Don't think for a minute ABP would want to sell any land on the docks to build a stadium. For starters they would have to allow fans on the docks which would be a big headache for them. Their land on the docks is very valuable to buy as well as the cost and time it would take to fill it.
This has got to be the daftest idea to date. Totally impractable.
That’s big of you to say that Swin (opening paragraph). Then you go and queer the pitch with the last one.
You will get attacked though if you appear to go out of your way to be negative. Maybe you don’t mean to but it looks like you court it.
I share your reservations and even to some extent cynicism about the future. I know next to nothing about Shutes or his motivations. I can only trust in the Trust to represent our interests. I’m hopeful for the new ground but I don’t expect it to happen.
There are those who just want some rich bloke to splash the cash on GTFC, who don’t care as long as there’s success on the pitch. But there seems to be at least as many on here who want it done in a sustainable way.
Anyway I’m off to buy a dildo. 😀
Do the club shop do black and white ones? Think they'd look nice next to a few bobble hats.
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Don't think for a minute ABP would want to sell any land on the docks to build a stadium. For starters they would have to allow fans on the docks which would be a big headache for them. Their land on the docks is very valuable to buy as well as the cost and time it would take to fill it.
This has got to be the daftest idea to date. Totally impractable.
That was my initial thought too.but I've now had 2 different people saying that a long lease has been negotiated and is reaching its final stages. The story is that AB P had a new leadership team that doesn't want to sit on brownfield land and by doing this they get a return on their land which has been sat there for years, doing nothing and earning nothing
If the ground is built on the docks does this mean I can still have a seat with a view over the river/estuary so I can watch the ships if the game is cr@p 😀
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If the ground is built on the docks does this mean I can still have a seat with a view over the river/estuary so I can watch the ships if the game is cr@p 😀
It means you can probably be interactive.
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I heard about the docks when this all first came out from an insider source who usually bang on the money. A regenerated Dock site with stadium to boot would be a dream!
I heard about the docks when this all first came out from an insider source who usually bang on the money. A regenerated Dock site with stadium to boot would be a dream!
Would be the stuff of dreams.imagine the ground there with a rejuvenated Kasbah and ice factory full of bars n restaurants for pre match pisss up?
George holness on praise and grumble giving some more info on the docks stadium plan.he seems absolutely convinced that it's going to happen
And is he actually a credible source or just somebody else clutching at straws?
I think the common theme is that WE ALL want the same thing, so if you want to bring a community together, this could well be the catalyst that is required!!
George holness on praise and grumble giving some more info on the docks stadium plan.he seems absolutely convinced that it's going to happen
And is he actually a credible source or just somebody else clutching at straws?
I think the common theme is that WE ALL want the same thing, so if you want to bring a community together, this could well be the catalyst that is required!!
And is he actually a credible source or just somebody else clutching at straws?
I think the common theme is that WE ALL want the same thing, so if you want to bring a community together, this could well be the catalyst that is required!!
I don't know the man .others on here may have more info on tha t BUT he has been pretty quick and accurate with the transfers and just the way he's writing suggests to me that he has some fairly good info and source o the docks plan
Don't think for a minute ABP would want to sell any land on the docks to build a stadium. For starters they would have to allow fans on the docks which would be a big headache for them. Their land on the docks is very valuable to buy as well as the cost and time it would take to fill it.
This has got to be the daftest idea to date. Totally impractable.
Says who? There's never anything going on down the docks when I visit, so what makes it valuable? More likely it's worth intercourse all and they want a lot for it.
Don't think for a minute ABP would want to sell any land on the docks to build a stadium. For starters they would have to allow fans on the docks which would be a big headache for them. Their land on the docks is very valuable to buy as well as the cost and time it would take to fill it.
This has got to be the daftest idea to date. Totally impractable.
You'd be surprised. Lets see what develops.
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Says who? There's never anything going on down the docks when I visit, so what makes it valuable? More likely it's worth intercourse all and they want a lot for it.
As I understand it ,the deal is a long lease.AB P retain the land but after years of neglect and Nil return they start to make some money on it
My guess was through his vehement defence of Fenty and declarations we not got our facts right ( ) Stadium a bit of an insider. So if so that statement whets the appetite 😋😋
Says who? There's never anything going on down the docks when I visit, so what makes it valuable? More likely it's worth intercourse all and they want a lot for it.
All land within a " docks area " is valuable especially when it is within the confines of part of the largest port groupage ( Grimsby, Immingham and Hull ) in the UK. We still haven't seen how much more interest they could be at Grimsby Docks with the increased expansion of Off-shore Wind Power.
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All land within a " docks area " is valuable especially when it is within the confines of part of the largest port groupage ( Grimsby, Immingham and Hull ) in the UK. We still haven't seen how much more interest they could be at Grimsby Docks with the increased expansion of Off-shore Wind Power.
Oooooh! Wind powered floodlights! Now there’s a novelty.
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As I understand it, number 3 dock is adjacent to the north quay and Humber Bridge Road. Looking at satellite images, that area seems to be well in use.
On the other hand, the water to the north of Murray Street appears to be completely closed off by a marina. I suppose you could fill that in and put the stadium there.
As I understand it, number 3 dock is adjacent to the north quay and Humber Bridge Road. Looking at satellite images, that area seems to be well in use.
On the other hand, the water to the north of Murray Street appears to be completely closed off by a marina. I suppose you could fill that in and put the stadium there.
This is the old Fish Market and I gather that is Fish Dock No. 3
Filling it would not be too easy but possible. An interesting alternative might be to build the ground on stilts like Princes Quay shopping centre in Hull.
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Doesn’t look very practical from an access point of view.
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Fantasy building of a new stadium..... that's a new one.
It’ll never catch on.
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Every town fan would be over the moon to have the stadium on the Quay side wouldn't they?
What an iconic development that would be - it would soon become a fantastic talking point throughout football and would be a magnificent tribute to our heritage and history. A state of the art stadium within a new dock development with the dock tower as a backdrop was always a fantastical dream for me and many others - I wrote a letter to the Telegraph years ago about how breathtaking it would be but I never believed it would ever be taken seriously by the powers that be.
If, and it is the biggest if going, this rumour has any credence to it then it should be pursued by everyone who has the power to influence these things as it would be the greatest thing for Grimsby as a town for decades - the knock on effect of dockside regeneration would be huge.
Freeman Street would be good, but this would be on a whole new level altogether.
Lets be having some confirmed news about the stadium and the takeover soon and get the club and the town rocking and rolling.
Firstly, I love the idea of the stadium being built on the docks.
But, if that goes ahead, what would that mean for the current town centre? I always thought that any new stadium would help regenerate the town and bring more business to the area. A stadium on the docks would keep that area and the town centre pretty separate.
Probably could say the same if it was built just off Freeman Street. Is this a concern or should it be seen as a benefit?
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Firstly, I love the idea of the stadium being built on the docks.
But, if that goes ahead, what would that mean for the current town centre? I always thought that any new stadium would help regenerate the town and bring more business to the area. A stadium on the docks would keep that area and the town centre pretty separate.
Probably could say the same if it was built just off Freeman Street. Is this a concern or should it be seen as a benefit?
The regeneration is of East marsh, freemo n riby square adding on the docks fits in ok
Simple question, where's all the money coming from? Government money cannot be used to fund a private company like GTFC so all the money that they have pledged can't be used. Town would have to find it all themselves.
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"He is also understood to favour a stadium site in abandoned areas of Grimsby docks, a key area earmarked for regeneration."
This Shutes guy, putting two and two together and making 4, who does he think he is? An old abandoned, going to ruin docks and the need for a new stadium and he thinks of this???
My lttle old brain won't even allow me to fantasise on this, waiting for the catch. Please be true.
My lttle old brain won't even allow me to fantasise on this, waiting for the catch. Please be true.
The catch will be the same as usual: cost.
Any brownfield site has issues whether compulsory purchase and clearance costs around Freeman Street or the cost of filling in abandoned docks and creating the infrastructure for access at this other site. I'd imagine we'd need to have the stadium raised a bit above sea level if we go for this new site. Sea levels are rising and you don't want a storm surge to destroy your new multi-million pound stadium 20 years hence if you can avoid it.
The football stadium on the docks would help regenerate freeman street and surrounding area and the college building in the town centre would bring that area and the riverside units back to life as well as hopefully bringing the cinema into that area outside Freshney Place.
If both of these sites happen this would vastly improve the area and economy
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"Entrepreneur and developer Tom Shutes, who has expressed an interest in the takeover of the club, is understood to be a key player in the plan.
He has ambitions to invest in Grimsby and build a centre of excellence for construction to provide opportunities for apprentices.
He is also understood to favour a stadium site in abandoned areas of Grimsby docks, a key area earmarked for regeneration."
So the reason for not hearing anymore on the takeover could be significantly linked to these developments? Could it be Shutes would not conclude any deal unless he can get the stadium as part of the regeneration he is involved with?
Or is it just more fabulous conjecture from the telegraph. Butty if you are out there and listening can you clear all this up for us? What did your director mate tell you about this?
So the reason for not hearing anymore on the takeover could be significantly linked to these developments? Could it be Shutes would not conclude any deal unless he can get the stadium as part of the regeneration he is involved with?
Pretty much matches what I said a few posts back, and it makes sense. It's a much more encompassing vision than just bringing GTFC into the modern day, it's seeing GTFC as part of the Town and one of the many elements that not only needs modernising, but will be a huge part of that modernisation blueprint. No firm new ground plans= no sale of the club, and thats a pretty fair business approach.
Pretty much matches what I said a few posts back, and it makes sense. It's a much more encompassing vision than just bringing GTFC into the modern day, it's seeing GTFC as part of the Town and one of the many elements that not only needs modernising, but will be a huge part of that modernisation blueprint. No firm new ground plans= no sale of the club, and thats a pretty fair business approach.
Ah sorry I missed your post!
I think this is Mr.Shutes main interest in Town really. If the regeneration of the Town is to last and be a success and not prove to be something of a white elephant then it needs at its heart a reason for people to continue to spend their time and money in the area. I think that is how he might see the football club. It would be a win win for all concerned really.
Pretty much mirrored what I said last Christmas about an investor with thoughts of the docks let hope the details are announced quickly to give us one almighty boost for the upcoming season utm
Wether people like football or not locally I can`t think of anything else that pulls in around 4k local people 23 x times a year in one hit ? In terms of leisure time probably only the cinema would be a rival and that is a high class venue fit for purpose in a prime location with ample parking and eateries.
There is a real opportunity to regenerate Freemo, Docks and Top town area. With the right vision, with a community football club at the heart of it, surrounded by leisure, drinking and eating outlets. They was talk of a building a cinema, museum etc. Put all the idea's under one directive, to create something special.
There is a real opportunity to regenerate Freemo, Docks and Top town area. With the right vision, with a community football club at the heart of it, surrounded by leisure, drinking and eating outlets. They was talk of a building a cinema, museum etc. Put all the idea's under one directive, to create something special.
I think the idea of a cinema as part of the plan is a great idea ( a bit like the MK Dons development ). It would certainly be better than the one planned for the riverhead.
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Simple question, where's all the money coming from? Government money cannot be used to fund a private company like GTFC so all the money that they have pledged can't be used. Town would have to find it all themselves.
So very true. The only way that I can see is if the council use the regeneration money to build a sports complex " for the yufe " and " homeless " and rent it out to the football club
My question is , ' how long to fill no3 dock in, then settlement , and build' ? I'm no builder but it'll not be a quick job... I'll give it 5 years before we're in and that's if they started now.
My question is , ' how long to fill no3 dock in, then settlement , and build' ? I'm no builder but it'll not be a quick job... I'll give it 5 years before we're in and that's if they started now.
If you look over the river at the Siemens development it would mirror what it would take to fill in a portion of the dock and then build. If memory serves me right I believe from putting in the coffer dams to opening the factory the timescale was circa 36 months....
My question is , ' how long to fill no3 dock in, then settlement , and build' ? I'm no builder but it'll not be a quick job... I'll give it 5 years before we're in and that's if they started now.
That's probably not too far off as leases still have to be signed, designs and plans drawn up, funding arrangements to be settled, planning permission to be sought and tenders to go out before the first brick is laid
My question is , ' how long to fill no3 dock in, then settlement , and build' ? I'm no builder but it'll not be a quick job... I'll give it 5 years before we're in and that's if they started now.
If for arguments sake they started the project today and it was going to take 5 years but it was happening I don`t think a single one of us would complain?
Exactly, what’s 5 years in the grand scheme of things? This’ll be our 4th year back in League 2 since being promoted and we’ve done nothing but tread water, I’d happily do another 5 if we’re heading in the right direction.
Exactly, what’s 5 years in the grand scheme of things? This’ll be our 4th year back in League 2 since being promoted and we’ve done nothing but tread water, I’d happily do another 5 if we’re heading in the right direction.
You hope but seriously doubt the Club could then market BP for it`s final years with something along the lines of a 4-5 years Season ticket for a vastly reduced price .The aim of filling the home ends to capacity for the old girl to bat out it`s time is one marketed correctly the fans would respond to.
You hope but seriously doubt the Club could then market BP for it`s final years with something along the lines of a 4-5 years Season ticket for a vastly reduced price .The aim of filling the home ends to capacity for the old girl to bat out it`s time is one marketed correctly the fans would respond to.
On top of that you have other things like a 'last game at BP game' with real heroes of yesteryear, perhaps persuading a Mr Mendonca back. For that game you bring out a one-off kit. BP merchendise, prints, documentry DVD. As well as on the final season, make season tickets flexible so that for an extra (X) amount more season ticket holders are able to take their seat home. Then you have things like seats being made into patio furnature and the likes.
When the curtain does finally fall on our, lets face it home from home for many of us, I'd love to see an auction for remaining seats, brickwork and all of that. The commercial possibilites are really endless. We just need the inhouse skills to pull it all off.
01/04/2025----Sky Sports News "News has just come in from our reporter Gary L.that following the high spring tide the lock gates at Grimsby Docks have finally given way and the new A.B.P. Sports centre is under 3 ft. of water. Grimsby Town who play all their Premiership Home games here have refused to come off the pitch as they are winning 1-0 against their Fenty owned rivals Scunthorpe United "---------It's fantasy just like the claims that we are filling in docks to build a football stadium. Get that Venger white feather out again
My question is , ' how long to fill no3 dock in, then settlement , and build' ? I'm no builder but it'll not be a quick job... I'll give it 5 years before we're in and that's if they started now.
Shame they didn't time it to help fill the dock in with the hardcore from the knocking down of the flats etc if feasible.
If it ever happens of course.
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just a couple of little comments overnight that things have moved on apace (and from the tone, i took that to be in a positive sense). can't vouch for the validity of the sources, i hasten to add
Don't know why this deserved lots of red crosses. The lad only asked a question.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Dnt know but I spoke to the postman who spoke to is wife, who heard off her sister, who said she heard off her psychiatrist, from another one of her patients, who heard from Butty's gardener, who had heard Butty on the phone with his director mate saying that its all probably a load of balderdash anyway!
Talking of Butty. What happened to him? Has his director friend had him gagged?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
just a couple of little comments overnight that things have moved on apace (and from the tone, i took that to be in a positive sense). can't vouch for the validity of the sources, i hasten to add
Heard the exact opposite. Shutes has gone AWOL and the deal looks dead...
At game yesterday from couple of different people. Apparently there is one big remaining obstacle (proof of funding) that still hasn't been met and deal can't be ratified by Club & EFL until this is provided. Person who told me said Board had been asking for this for 12+ months and had received nothing.
At game yesterday from couple of different people. Apparently there is one big remaining obstacle (proof of funding) that still hasn't been met and deal can't be ratified by Club & EFL until this is provided. Person who told me said Board had been asking for this for 12+ months and had received nothing.
Don't shoot the messenger!
If true it makes a mockery of that GT article which said the buyer had passed the fit and proper person’s test.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
If it is true it would be interesting to see how Liam Wood and the GT explain that one away.
Give it a rest aaron for goodness sake. Liam would not have gone to press with that without good reason, is the article wrong? Well who knows, club have been silent, Shutes has been silent, we’ll see
Give it a rest aaron for goodness sake. Liam would not have gone to press with that without good reason, is the article wrong? Well who knows, club have been silent, Shutes has been silent, we’ll see
Well given that the club hasn’t asked the FA to carry out the relevant checks on the buyer then, as implied in the article, then clearly his ‘source’ was wide of the mark.
Why should Aaron give it a rest? Is Liam Wood a mate of yours?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
And for what it's worth I don't think the deal is dead at all. Tom Shutes' interest is dependent on a new stadium being deliverable. He doesn't want to buy the club and stay at BP even in the short term. Agreeing a deal for land with ABP and exchanging contracts will unlock everything in my opinion. I don't think anybody really believes Tom Shutes is going to buy GTFC with his own money in the bank. He will have investors lined up. Their strategy will be to buy the club, deliver the new stadium, tap in to all the untapped revenue that GTFC don't currently, improve the footballing fortunes of the club and end up with a much more valuable business which they could potentially sell on for a good profit. The funding won't be in place until the new stadium site is signed off. It will come.
I would imagine Shutes will be hoping that a new stadium will be open by August 2021 or 2022 at the latest. He won't mess around.
I still don't understand where the money is coming from for a new stadium. If we couldn't get the money for Peaks Parkway and we couldn't get the money for Freemo how come we can suddenly get the money for the docks. It doesn't matter what we want if there is no goose to lay the golden egg we ain't going anywhere. It seems to me that there are a lot of people dreaming at the moment and that if they dream enough it will become a reality. Actually I think a lot of people are suffering from D.R.C.
I still don't understand where the money is coming from for a new stadium. If we couldn't get the money for Peaks Parkway and we couldn't get the money for Freemo how come we can suddenly get the money for the docks. It doesn't matter what we want if there is no goose to lay the golden egg we ain't going anywhere. It seems to me that there are a lot of people dreaming at the moment and that if they dream enough it will become a reality. Actually I think a lot of people are suffering from D.R.C.
Plenty of clubs around our size have built new stadiums. How did they finance their stadium[s]? Maybe the real question should be, why couldn't Fenty ever get the finance together to build a new stadium?
I imagine lots of people will have got their news from the boardroom. I would certainly take the no money rumours with a pinch of salt. It’s an easy way to explain that little is happening for the board and put the pressure on Shutes.
Whatever happens this whole episode proves without doubt that people are interested in taking the club on.
Plenty of clubs around our size have built new stadiums. How did they finance their stadium[s]? Maybe the real question should be, why couldn't Fenty ever get the finance together to build a new stadium?
Exactly. Golfers post captures all that is wrong with the club currently , there is such little belief, will or drive in so many to even get this ship off the rocks. I can't recall any opposition fans, ever, reacting to news of a potential new stadium with "What! get outta here!. A new ground? Pfft..that'll cost millions that we haven't got AND there's nowhere to put it! "
What a club. Dying on its ar$e and can't be sold. Can't get a new ground.
I still don't understand where the money is coming from for a new stadium. If we couldn't get the money for Peaks Parkway and we couldn't get the money for Freemo how come we can suddenly get the money for the docks. It doesn't matter what we want if there is no goose to lay the golden egg we ain't going anywhere. It seems to me that there are a lot of people dreaming at the moment and that if they dream enough it will become a reality. Actually I think a lot of people are suffering from D.R.C.
To explain in laymans language it would perhaps be best to refer you to a paper that Dagna Skrzypinska and Barbara Szmigielska have written which presents an analysis of DRC in relation to the characteristics of BPD, based on research findings and theoretical considerations.It is hypothesized that people with BPD are more likely to experience DRC. Hope this answers your question - Golfer
To explain in laymans language it would perhaps be best to refer you to a paper that Dagna Skrzypinska and Barbara Szmigielska have written which presents an analysis of DRC in relation to the characteristics of BPD, based on research findings and theoretical considerations.It is hypothesized that people with BPD are more likely to experience DRC. Hope this answers your question - Golfer
So Dream / Reality Confusion. I've got that, I think Grimsby Town supporters are going to enjoy the coming season.
I still don't understand where the money is coming from for a new stadium. If we couldn't get the money for Peaks Parkway and we couldn't get the money for Freemo how come we can suddenly get the money for the docks. It doesn't matter what we want if there is no goose to lay the golden egg we ain't going anywhere. It seems to me that there are a lot of people dreaming at the moment and that if they dream enough it will become a reality. Actually I think a lot of people are suffering from D.R.C.
Just because Fenty can not get funding for a stadium that's not say the new bloke can't.
Given that ABP owns the land can they not provide infrastructure and then let the ground to GTFC and also facilitate retail developments - perhaps there would be aid for them to do this??
Have just received your cheque for golf lessons and am glad your game has improved under my care - I was worried that Westwood had caused irreparable damage but all has turned out well.Congratulations on your victory today. There is one little favour I would ask but for the time being I wont expect anything until you get rid of that little tw=t Hammond. I did mention a few weeks ago at our charity event for long lost soldiers of the American Civil War that my football club Grimsby Town [remember you thought it was a sheep shagging town in Wales ] were struggling to get finance for a new stadium and that our non-chairman,although a very nice guy,didn't quite have the reddies. The favour is----" £25million" If you could arrange this with no paper work I am sure we could work something out-perhaps you would like to be on the bench for the Morecambe game. P.S. maybe it could be lost in transit as part of the overseas aid.
Didn't catch all of it but on Lincs FM earlier it said talks have progressed with an agreement in principle, Shutes & Co. just need to pass the fit and proper persons test now.
Fenty came on after the announcement, but I was busy at work and couldn't make out if it was some new info or an old interview regurgitated.
Didn't catch all of it but on Lincs FM earlier it said talks have progressed with an agreement in principle, Shutes & Co. just need to pass the fit and proper persons test now.
Fenty came on after the announcement, but I was busy at work and couldn't make out if it was some new info or an old interview regurgitated.
I'll believe it when I see it, how's the new stadium at Great Coates coming on ???
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
Didn't catch all of it but on Lincs FM earlier it said talks have progressed with an agreement in principle, Shutes & Co. just need to pass the fit and proper persons test now.
Fenty came on after the announcement, but I was busy at work and couldn't make out if it was some new info or an old interview regurgitated.
I heard this earlier too on Lincs Fm, but can’t find any other news outlets with the same story.
I heard that once the ground is completed the official opening will be by the prime minister,
He plans to zip wire from dock tower to the centre spot with the union flag in one hand and a town flag in the other.
It's nice to see your confidence about the new stadium because if it's the current PM it's predicted he will have the shortest tenancy of No.10 in history.
If it’s just a case of passing the EFL’s fit & proper person’s test, then I think it’s plain sailing from here gentlemen!
The EFL allowed Steve Dale to take over at Bury without even sending them any paperwork, have been fine with the asset stripping sex offenders at Blackpool and allowed countless other potless failures to take over at clubs across the country.
To paraphrase Austin Mitchell - we could put up a broke, raving alcoholic sex paedophile and they wouldn’t fail the EFL’s test!
If it’s just a case of passing the EFL’s fit & proper person’s test, then I think it’s plain sailing from here gentlemen!
The EFL allowed Steve Dale to take over at Bury without even sending them any paperwork, have been fine with the asset stripping sex offenders at Blackpool and allowed countless other potless failures to take over at clubs across the country.
To paraphrase Austin Mitchell - we could put up a broke, raving alcoholic sex paedophile and they wouldn’t fail the EFL’s test!
Fit and proper person test is only filed once a deal has been agreed and contracts exchanged. Obviously, the contract only becomes valid when the F&P test has been passed (10-14 days).
So if the latest report is accurate then Fenty has sold up and will be gone before our first home league game.
Fit and proper person test is only filed once a deal has been agreed and contracts exchanged. Obviously, the contract only becomes valid when the F&P test has been passed (10-14 days).
So if the latest report is accurate then Fenty has sold up and will be gone before our first home league game.
The reason for the delay is that Extreme won't commit to a starting date for the work on the new Stadium as they have problems finishing Mrs Miggins Garden wall. Apparently the footings had to be two foot deep as opposed to the eighteen inches they had allowed for. Then the spade broke. Also, the builder they use is due to go to Magaluf for two weeks in September.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Shutes most likely leant JSF the £3million in the first place so JSF wants the £3million from the sale to pay Shutes back but Shutes hasn't got the £3million to buy the club until JSF pays him back so now they are both looking for someone with £3million who can lend them it.
I can't believe the bit about the lack of evidence of funding.do we really think they have been negotiating for 12 months without Fenty being happy that Shute s isn't a time waster and has some way of funding the deal?
I wonder if the proof of funding thing is to satisfy the recent anti money laundering regulations rather than just proving he has it? I’m just buying a property over here and the hoops you have to jump through to prove the funds are not ill-gotten are significant.
I can't believe the bit about the lack of evidence of funding.do we really think they have been negotiating for 12 months without Fenty being happy that Shute s isn't a time waster and has some way of funding the deal?
todays played interview stated the same old line of .... the board are committed to finding suitable owners...blah blah....been ongoing for over 12 months now.....blah blah....funding......blah blah...
Really didnt say anything new from the last statement.
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I heard that once the ground is completed the official opening will be by the prime minister,
He plans to zip wire from dock tower to the centre spot with the union flag in one hand and a town flag in the other.
There’s a million to one chance of that happening Pete.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I heard that once the ground is completed the official opening will be by the prime minister,
He plans to zip wire from dock tower to the centre spot with the union flag in one hand and a town flag in the other.
By the time the new ground (one stand, The JSF Memorial Stand seating 50 and two terraces with standing on two steps for another 500) is built it will be situated at the 37th choice of location just outside Chapel St Leonards, the Dock Tower will be just a crumbling stump incapable of being one end of a zip wire anyway, Boris will be just a distant memory and the entire country will be run by his 5 (or is it 6) children desperately trying to seal trading arrangements with Mali and The Yemen, there will be no 'Union' and Town's flag will no longer feature fish as there won't be any left. The Telewag will run a story about the club's 3 hooligan fans and the concerns about all the Market Rasen reserves supporters turning up for the first match of the season in the 6th Division of the Lincolnshire League
Plus of course neither you nor I will be there Pete
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
By the time the new ground (one stand, The JSF Memorial Stand seating 50 and two terraces with standing on two steps for another 500) is built it will be situated at the 37th choice of location just outside Chapel St Leonards, the Dock Tower will be just a crumbling stump incapable of being one end of a zip wire anyway, Boris will be just a distant memory and the entire country will be run by his 5 (or is it 6) children desperately trying to seal trading arrangements with Mali and The Yemen, there will be no 'Union' and Town's flag will no longer feature fish as there won't be any left. The Telewag will run a story about the club's 3 hooligan fans and the concerns about all the Market Rasen reserves supporters turning up for the first match of the season in the 6th Division of the Lincolnshire League
Plus of course neither you nor I will be there Pete
Sounds like the summary of a new book
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
Because Shutes hasn't got the money and he can't find anyone else daft enough to put it in, in my opinion, but without any cold hard facts.
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"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn, At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, We WILL remember them"
By the time the new ground (one stand, The JSF Memorial Stand seating 50 and two terraces with standing on two steps for another 500) is built it will be situated at the 37th choice of location just outside Chapel St Leonards, the Dock Tower will be just a crumbling stump incapable of being one end of a zip wire anyway, Boris will be just a distant memory and the entire country will be run by his 5 (or is it 6) children desperately trying to seal trading arrangements with Mali and The Yemen, there will be no 'Union' and Town's flag will no longer feature fish as there won't be any left. The Telewag will run a story about the club's 3 hooligan fans and the concerns about all the Market Rasen reserves supporters turning up for the first match of the season in the 6th Division of the Lincolnshire League
As someone who grew up in Market Rasen, & just because Bernie Taupin writes a song suggesting Saturday nights in the market place were a little bit feisty, I am not sure why you are dragging the good name of my former town into this, take it from me you have no chance of ever becoming the Stadium Manager for our Gallimore Lane complex as it is not acceptable to suggest our fans have a Hooligan element, surely you know that no self-respecting football club would run down its own supporters 😄😄😄
I’ve seen some “lively” nights in the fezzy hall too Ged 😉
Yeah, seem to recall getting my nose and front tooth broke in there but as I told my mum slipped on the beer covered dance floor and was just unlucky!!!
You shouldn't have flipping bothered son Bet I'm nearer correct than all the rose tinted folk on here It's painfully obvious Shutes needs funding, his interest is in reviving the town generally, not owning and backing a football team so although GTFC plays a major part in the life of the town he is not going to pay off Fenty in used readies from his personal funds (even if he could which if Fenty is asking a silly price he probably couldn't anyway)
My original point was that finding someone with the wonga and who is willing to buy a Div 4 club in a run down stadium is not going to be easy and that such an investment would be regarded as 'daft' by most millionaires. (ask JSF)
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Here we go again, have a pop at Swin time. Whats the matter ? Tired of attacking Nick Dale for telling the truth already?
Is that telling the truth in the same way that Gerald Ratner told the truth?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I'm not sure, if I recall opinion was that he did tell the truth wasn't it? Anyway we wouldn't want someone representing Grimsby Town to lie surely
Received wisdom was he did tell the truth. And look what it did to the company!
As for the second part, about not wanting anyone representing the club to lie, you're not telling me you're not clever enough to realise that that sometimes it's better to say nothing? I don't believe you're stupid for one minute. You're just being provocative as usual.
The man's primary role is to ensure we're all safe inside BP. He clearly failed in that last season against Port Vale, then he goes and takes it out on the innocent by stopping them having a drink in the club bar!! And the sort of guff he spouts about flares in tampon boxes (or was that Fenty quoting Dale?) and sand in gloves means everyone gets treated like crap at other grounds.
I know the security manager of a high end, international retailer. There are all sorts of scroats trying to pull wheezes. Does he give interviews to the media bad-mouthing his customers? Or does he quietly, but efficiently get on with his job and ensure a safe, welcoming environment for customers and staff?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
As opposed to Swin having a go at GTFC time when they lose, and only then!
You want me to have a go when they win? It can be arranged
As far as 'having a go at GTFC' is concerned I am a mere amateur compared to the Fenty knockers, the ticketing procedure moaners, the 'club PR is crap' brigade, the early kick off complainers, the 'sound system is crap' claimants and the many others who want virtually everything at the club changed
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Shutes will have backers/investors lined up but it will be dependent on a new stadium. Once the new stadium deal is agree and the contracts signed off with ABP then I think it will unlock everything and the takeover will happen.
People shouldn't worry about Fenty saying about "before the season starts". That is his preferred timescale only. It almost certainly isn't shared by Shutes.
Lets be honest, GTFC is worthless at the moment. But to somebody with a stadium site secured and pretty much guaranteed planning permission the club is worth something.
I don't see it as a negative that the prospective new owner(s) have ambition. I wouldn't want a new owner who would be content to stay at Blundell Park for another 17 years. We all know how far behind we've fallen in JSF's tenure in terms of the way the club is run off the field.
You want me to have a go when they win? It can be arranged
As far as 'having a go at GTFC' is concerned I am a mere amateur compared to the Fenty knockers, the ticketing procedure moaners, the 'club PR is crap' brigade, the early kick off complainers, the 'sound system is crap' claimants and the many others who want virtually everything at the club changed
When you do, remember to point out that in MJ's first full season in charge he delivered a league finish of 17th- that's the position Russell Slade was sacked from. The average Fishy member doesn't like the use of facts when constructing an argument.
Spot on...Did anyone notice that the last update from the Council about finalising the new stadium details time line, runs closely with Mr Fenty's comments about start of season...
Its pretty obvious Mr Shutes wants the stadium project to tie in with purchasing the club... why else would he have an interest?
Spot on...Did anyone notice that the last update from the Council about finalising the new stadium details time line, runs closely with Mr Fenty's comments about start of season...
Its pretty obvious Mr Shutes wants the stadium project to tie in with purchasing the club... why else would he have an interest?
I do hope so, as it stands I do not think the people who run the club or certain aspects of the club would be capable of handling a new stadium.
If the football is bad you can always watch the gulls.
When you do, remember to point out that in MJ's first full season in charge he delivered a league finish of 17th- that's the position Russell Slade was sacked from. The average Fishy member doesn't like the use of facts when constructing an argument.
Thanks mate I will, problem is I think most will be pleased with a finish even worse than Slade's simply because they all think Jolley is wonderful and dislike Slade intensely
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Shutes will have backers/investors lined up but it will be dependent on a new stadium. Once the new stadium deal is agree and the contracts signed off with ABP then I think it will unlock everything and the takeover will happen. .
Isn't it a chicken and egg situation though. I can't see contracts with ABP being agreed unless or until there is a takeover.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Isn't it a chicken and egg situation though. I can't see contracts with ABP being agreed unless or until there is a takeover.
There will be because the deal will include the Ice Factory which will be redeveloped into a mini-Printworks (Manchester for those who have never been) as part of the redevelopment of the Docks.
When you do, remember to point out that in MJ's first full season in charge he delivered a league finish of 17th- that's the position Russell Slade was sacked from. The average Fishy member doesn't like the use of facts when constructing an argument.
Fair point, but the squad Slade had inherited from Bignot had some fair talent in it which he summarily dismantled. It's no surprise the faithful look on him with disdain when you realise some of the players he shunned and moved on. MJ *seems* to be making a decent squad of players so the fact that he's tried to progress and not regress is why the Town fans hold him in better regards than Slade.
Fair point, but the squad Slade had inherited from Bignot had some fair talent in it which he summarily dismantled. It's no surprise the faithful look on him with disdain when you realise some of the players he shunned and moved on. MJ *seems* to be making a decent squad of players so the fact that he's tried to progress and not regress is why the Town fans hold him in better regards than Slade.
All of whom are now playing in the National League. Maybe Slade was correct?
Shutes will have backers/investors lined up but it will be dependent on a new stadium. Once the new stadium deal is agree and the contracts signed off with ABP then I think it will unlock everything and the takeover will happen.
People shouldn't worry about Fenty saying about "before the season starts". That is his preferred timescale only. It almost certainly isn't shared by Shutes.
Lets be honest, GTFC is worthless at the moment. But to somebody with a stadium site secured and pretty much guaranteed planning permission the club is worth something.
I don't see it as a negative that the prospective new owner(s) have ambition. I wouldn't want a new owner who would be content to stay at Blundell Park for another 17 years. We all know how far behind we've fallen in JSF's tenure in terms of the way the club is run off the field.
If the stadium site is secured and planning permission guaranteed somebody please tell me who will be paying for the new stadium. Shutes hasn't enough cash,neither has JSF,neither have the Freemen neither has the council. Houses are being built all over already so it wont be house builders. ABP wont pay for it. I keep asking the question but nobody will answer
If the stadium site is secured and planning permission guaranteed somebody please tell me who will be paying for the new stadium. Shutes hasn't enough cash,neither has JSF,neither have the Freemen neither has the council. Houses are being built all over already so it wont be house builders. ABP wont pay for it. I keep asking the question but nobody will answer
I agree totally . Where is the money for this pipe dream coming from. I dont expect a full run down on who is putting x ammount in but some form of answer would be nice. And if the sale was near, why has money been put into lights and other improvements . Fore some reason at this moment in time i feel its being blown up to try and keep the fans happy and deflect attention away from all the other problems , just my oppinion
I agree totally . Where is the money for this pipe dream coming from. I dont expect a full run down on who is putting x ammount in but some form of answer would be nice. And if the sale was near, why has money been put into lights and other improvements . Fore some reason at this moment in time i feel its being blown up to try and keep the fans happy and deflect attention away from all the other problems , just my oppinion
Interesting thought. Do you think Fenty has fed the GrimTel a line, that he can plausibly deny, so he can boost ST sales by gettting everyone hopeful JF is going?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
As far as the lights and improvements are concerned, I was of the belief that they forced upon the club by the football league in order to meet minimum requirements. Probably been scraping by barely acceptable for a long time.
If the stadium site is secured and planning permission guaranteed somebody please tell me who will be paying for the new stadium. Shutes hasn't enough cash,neither has JSF,neither have the Freemen neither has the council. Houses are being built all over already so it wont be house builders. ABP wont pay for it. I keep asking the question but nobody will answer
I agree totally . Where is the money for this pipe dream coming from. I dont expect a full run down on who is putting x ammount in but some form of answer would be nice. And if the sale was near, why has money been put into lights and other improvements
Money has only been put in where the club has no option. Removing the humps in the goalmouths & improving the floodlights so that they meet requirements for TV companies. And the club waited until they had no choice before doing both "improvements".
You could add Scunthorpe ( more then one new stadium), Hull and Lincoln (who are planning one) to that list.
Just do not mention Coventry. That has not worked out very well for them. (Serves them right after that late, controversial penalty scored by Mick Coop in the FAC many years ago).
IF the takeover happens I'm sure Shutes & Co. will clearly explain exactly how the required funding will be amassed. There will be several revenues to source funding as with most new stadia.
Just look at our own old ideas for Great Coates etc, although nothing ever came off it was explained how we expected to fund the thing. The large regeneration fund available can be used to finance surrounding infrastructure then usually you have enabling developments, bit from the council, bit from here, bit from there, loans to top up perhaps. There could be several investors waiting in the wings also.
Of course the exact details will be forthcoming if Shutes gets the green light. He not going to come in and say 'Yes we want a new stadium as part of the wider regeneration project but we've got no clue how we're going to fund the thing.'
People with money do not keep large amounts in current accounts. Investing money long term is not easily accessible, especially if invested with others in clever tax-avoidance schemes. Such investments can go up and down in value. Future anticipated income is often used to increase borrowing. An accountant could certify in his opinion that sufficient funds are available, but that does not mean that they are on any given day. The Club have to be certain.
Funding football these days is a complex matter. Interesting piece on talkSPORT this week about the Arsenal transfer of £73 million from Lille. Arsenal do not have the transfer budget this season to pay this huge fee. The payments were structured over 5 years. Lille do not want to wait 5 years for all their money. They did (or can) sell the transfer income to a finance company for lump sum of around £68 million. The finance company collect the £73 million. Lille get their cash now, the finance company make a profit, the players gets a great contract, Arsenal get an excellent player. Lille get the actual net transfer fee before it was inflated to cover add-ons. Everybody wins.
The key is maximising stadium income. I've been to a few stadiums with gyms built into one of the stands. Obviously conference and banqueting facilities will be built inside the stadium. Quite a few stadiums have NHS facilties incorporated. Also, there's the possibility of a hotel (like Bolton) and depending on how the docks are opened up possibly even dockside apartments. Also office space that could be rented out. The possibilities for long term revenue are huge. And that's the key. Financing a stadium with a great business plan with long-term and multiple revenue streams will not be a massive issue.
Preston's final stand is a great example explained in this pdf article. And it also shows the huge savings of incorporating facilities into a stadium building. A new stand alone gym can cost in the region of £2.7m, but within a stadium building it can be done for £1.35m.
I used to work out of an office in Bramall Lane. They'd just leased part of it to Regus who we then let from. Nothing flash but would have been a steady income. Some bigger employers in there but a few SME's who literally had an office to work out of.
I was reading about MK Dons yesterday or Stadium MK Group which incorporates the stadium, club and Hilton adjacent to the stadium. The main source of their £18m turnover is the hotel.
It’s clear Shutes sees the stadium as one element in the regeneration of that part of town for wider development - tying in the renewables sector, Hull & Lincoln Uni as well as the College, new housing developments along Freemo, etc. Christ knows what the stadium would cost - £15-20m based on previous estimates for the other schemes, but that’s relatively small potatoes compared to the longer term costs in the area. Could part of the funding come from planning obligations? Potentially.
I don’t think a property developer would’ve spent a year arguing the toss with Fenty trying to takeover a 4th division football club purely on the basis of wanting to do something nice for the fans.
Is Shutes more clued up than some people on here? Whisper it, but...he may just be!
I was reading about MK Dons yesterday or Stadium MK Group which incorporates the stadium, club and Hilton adjacent to the stadium. The main source of their £18m turnover is the hotel.
Not sure they're a good example. They lost £6m last year.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I was reading about MK Dons yesterday or Stadium MK Group which incorporates the stadium, club and Hilton adjacent to the stadium. The main source of their £18m turnover is the hotel.
The stadium is the Hilton Hotel.
When you look around the ground what appears to be executive boxes high up is in fact the corridor with the hotel rooms off it.
Why would talks go on for a year if he hasn’t got the cash? More fool Fenty if that is the case. Heard another rumour that goalposts are changing and I’d be more inclined to believe that one.
York is not a good examaple to use. The York stadium has been delayed for years, and the troubles/delays keep coming.
Fans can easily get to Bootham Crescent as it is in the city centre. Many fans have said that they will not go out of town to get to the new ground. Others (more elderly fans) have said that they will not go as it will take 90 mins by bus to get from the suburbs on a Sat into York centre, and then out the other side of the city to the ground. That is just one way.
Parking is very limited at the new ground. Fewer car journeys are needed at Bootham Crescent due to the easy location.
A new ground is not all that it is cracked up to be - unfortunately!
Why would talks go on for a year if he hasn’t got the cash? More fool Fenty if that is the case. Heard another rumour that goalposts are changing and I’d be more inclined to believe that one.
yes another way to blame Fenty!
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I personally think i can smell bull crap here.. No one goes shopping without having enough money to buy with, and it does not take a year to buy a football club . This shutes fellow seems more interested in the bigger regeneration picture where there is money to be made , and i doubt he would be heart and soul for the football club. So for me at this minute i am out on this one
Is Shutes messing around?? Is it Fenty putting unreasonable conditions in place? (Lifetime director, 100% everything he has ever put in, Statue outside the new ground
From the outside, it certainly doesn’t look likely anymore!!
Is Shutes messing around?? Is it Fenty putting unreasonable conditions in place? (Lifetime director, 100% everything he has ever put in, Statue outside the new ground
From the outside, it certainly doesn’t look likely anymore!!
GTFC, probs me wrong, PLEASE!!!!
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It had already been going on for a year. Why does a few weeks make it look any less likely than it did when this news first broke?
Shutes isn't showing proof of funding, which is worrying, although why he'd negotiate something that he couldn't afford would be very strange. He needs to show enough to buy the club and enough to underwrite the overdraft to pass fit and proper person test.
I get the feeling that he doesn't really care about the football club and is in it to make some money. I think he wants a high degree of certainty that the new stadium will happen before buying the club, then he has the potential to make money out of it. I don't really care if that's what he wants as long as it takes the club forwards, but I wish he'd get on with it one way or the other so the bs rumours could stop.
It had already been going on for a year. Why does a few weeks make it look any less likely than it did when this news first broke?
Shutes isn't showing proof of funding, which is worrying, although why he'd negotiate something that he couldn't afford would be very strange. He needs to show enough to buy the club and enough to underwrite the overdraft to pass fit and proper person test.
I get the feeling that he doesn't really care about the football club and is in it to make some money. I think he wants a high degree of certainty that the new stadium will happen before buying the club, then he has the potential to make money out of it. I don't really care if that's what he wants as long as it takes the club forwards, but I wish he'd get on with it one way or the other so the bs rumours could stop.
Do you think Fenty is any different in trying to make money from the Club with a proposed sale? Given his reign of terror if he loves the Club like he professes he could sell it for £1 to ensure more money was available to invest but he wont . This past week once again has summed up why we so desperately need him and his mates out of this Club . Time after time they drag us into the gutter and try and blame the fans and though I never heard it sounds like John has compounded things with his latest press interview having a pop at our captain? FENTY OUT
Do you think Fenty is any different in trying to make money from the Club with a proposed sale?
Yes. Fenty took over the club to save it from a situation that other people put it in where we were on the verge of going bankrupt.
Fenty wants back what he put in, not more. How is that making money? Yes, he could give it away for free, but the club is sustainable and he can recover loans from the profitable seasons. You might think people should just give out their money for free, but it is their choice and he never said he was giving money to the club.
Yes. Fenty took over the club to save it from a situation that other people put it in where we were on the verge of going bankrupt.
Fenty wants back what he put in, not more. How is that making money? Yes, he could give it away for free, but the club is sustainable and he can recover loans from the profitable seasons. You might think people should just give out their money for free, but it is their choice and he never said he was giving money to the club.
Which isn’t an unreasonable position except Fenty has also wanted the ‘adoration’ of his public - to be he Jack Walker type saviour figure not just an ‘investor’. He came in on the back of a generation of football club owners that were true benefactors and loved by their public.
At the end of the day, he hasn’t ‘felt the love’, which, when all said and done, is the consequence of his largely poor decision making, So now he wants everything back.
Not saying he shouldn’t recover some of his funds either, it just all smacks of trying to have it both ways.
Which isn’t an unreasonable position except Fenty has also wanted the ‘adoration’ of his public - to be he Jack Walker type saviour figure not just an ‘investor’. He came in on the back of a generation of football club owners that were true benefactors and loved by their public.
At the end of the day, he hasn’t ‘felt the love’, which, when all said and done, is the consequence of his largely poor decision making, So now he wants everything back.
Not saying he shouldn’t recover some of his funds either, it just all smacks of trying to have it both ways.
Who were all these " true benefactors" and how much did they put into the club without wanting it back at some stage ?
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Yes. Fenty took over the club to save it from a situation that other people put it in where we were on the verge of going bankrupt.
Fenty wants back what he put in, not more. How is that making money? Yes, he could give it away for free, but the club is sustainable and he can recover loans from the profitable seasons. You might think people should just give out their money for free, but it is their choice and he never said he was giving money to the club.
I have no problem with him getting back his money it`s his after all I am just saying lets not make him out to be this all singing all dancing nice generous guy with GTFC`s best interests at heart cos we both know that`s total BS. One goodwill gesture from him could be to give back the Mike Parker shares to the MT that would get him some praise
I think the jury is out on Sir John Hall (Newcastle) as his family made a profit.
The point is the atmosphere of the day was of the local hero made good saving and then restoring the glory of their hometown club.
I don’t deny Fenty achieved the former - his utter abject failure at the latter precludes any right to expect the praise I feel he thinks is his right,
As said before, the best he can expect is to be thanked as someone who ‘stood in the gap’ - and that legacy is his if he doesn’t let his demands or ego become a barrier to the club’s best future.
Is Shute’s the man? Without all the information how can we say for sure? However; it is the partnership with the wider vision for regeneration that excites me, that means a much broader group are ‘invested’ in the club’s success.
Moreover, if Fenty was seen to surrender some of his assets in this deal as part of a wider plan to regenerate our town that would be in the tradition of many great social philanthropists and worthy of honour.
Whichever way, things have to change - we’re being left behind.
Lincoln has nearly 9000 there yesterday - no reason with good leadership we can’t achieve similar or, given our history, better...
Ok, so how much money did Bill Carr donate to the club. Or how about FA Would, Paddy Hamilton, Peter Furneaux, Dudley Ramsden etc. In fact name me one Board member or Chairman prior to JF coming on the scene who has gifted, donated or given GTFC money to keep them afloat?
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Ok, so how much money did Bill Carr donate to the club. Or how about FA Would, Paddy Hamilton, Peter Furneaux, Dudley Ramsden etc. In fact name me one Board member or Chairman prior to JF coming on the scene who has gifted, donated or given GTFC money to keep them afloat?
Mike Parker. Not sure if he was a director but he effectively gifted £500,000 (not counting the other shares he kept ownership of).
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Mike Parker. Not sure if he was a director but he effectively gifted £500,000 (not counting the other shares he kept ownership of).
You obviously don't read posts properly or you are not paying attention. I specifically said " prior to JF " coming on the scene. Now I may be wrong but I'm sure Mike Parker got involved with the club several years after JF joined the Board. So ,for your benefit I will ask again , prior to JF joining the Board of GTFC name me any director or chairman who donated, gifted or gave the club any substantial amount of cash/money to keep the flub afloat without wanting it back?
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
You obviously don't read posts properly or you are not paying attention. I specifically said " prior to JF " coming on the scene. Now I may be wrong but I'm sure Mike Parker got involved with the club several years after JF joined the Board. So ,for your benefit I will ask again , prior to JF joining the Board of GTFC name me any director or chairman who donated, gifted or gave the club any substantial amount of cash/money to keep the flub afloat without wanting it back?
Football was completely different in the 20th century and clubs hadn’t over committed on contracts based on likely income from TV contracts. JF took over because he wanted to and had the money to do so. As far as I’m aware, nobody, JF included, has gifted any money to the club other than Mike Parker’s gift of shares to the trust.
Parker gifted a good million or so then walked away. Fenty has kept us in perennial groundhog day with his 'benign' loans.
The 200k he takes annually now could fund a couple of 'hairs on back of neck' signings on nearly 2k a week. That, my friends, could make all the difference between mid table obscurity and and exciting promotion push.
Whether Fenty goes this week, next week, next month or next year, he’ll never leave with the reputation he wants.
As soon as he accepts that he’s presided over our most unsuccessful period in the club’s entire history, and stops searching for all this money he thinks he’s owed (debts incurred by his poor leadership, mighty I add) then we can all move onwards and upwards.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
Ok, so how much money did Bill Carr donate to the club. Or how about FA Would, Paddy Hamilton, Peter Furneaux, Dudley Ramsden etc. In fact name me one Board member or Chairman prior to JF coming on the scene who has gifted, donated or given GTFC money to keep them afloat?
I don’t know how much Mr Carr put in of his own money but I do know he was a good Chairman and a bloody good bloke. When he ran the club it paid its own way and punched massively above its weight. In my opinion he was as much a factor as Sir Alan in arguably the most successful period in Towns history and I for one would give my right arm to see his like back at the helm. There’s more than chucking in money to running a football club.
You obviously don't read posts properly or you are not paying attention. I specifically said " prior to JF " coming on the scene. Now I may be wrong but I'm sure Mike Parker got involved with the club several years after JF joined the Board. So ,for your benefit I will ask again , prior to JF joining the Board of GTFC name me any director or chairman who donated, gifted or gave the club any substantial amount of cash/money to keep the flub afloat without wanting it back?
You are right this time. I’m sorry.
OK. A question for you. Who has given the club money in recent years? You can go back a decade. You can even count new share purchases. We’ll see who the real backers of GTFC are.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
OK. A question for you. Who has given the club money in recent years? You can go back a decade. You can even count new share purchases. We’ll see who the real backers of GTFC are.
There's only 2 as far as I'm aware, and both bought new shares, and I believe both bought the same value of new shares. John Fenty and Mike Parker.
The 200k he takes annually now could fund a couple of 'hairs on back of neck' signings on nearly 2k a week. That, my friends, could make all the difference between mid table obscurity and and exciting promotion push.
Except it couldn't, because we can only spend 55% of income on player wages. So we'd be breaking FFP rules by doing that. It could be spent on upgrading facilities etc.
There's only 2 as far as I'm aware, and both bought new shares, and I believe both bought the same value of new shares. John Fenty and Mike Parker.
How much did JF buy?
You missed off that bloke who won the lottery and Operation Promotion.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
You missed off that bloke who won the lottery and Operation Promotion.
Fair enough, operation promotion too. I thought you were talking at boardroom level, but that was a good amount too.
The last shareholding report of when Mike Parker was on the board showed that JF and MP both had £500 000 worth of shares. The majority of both of these was bought through a share issue where the money went to the club rather than to another person.
I well remember the night against Notts County in the League Cup in the 1979-80 season when there was a minute's silence for Paddy Hamilton, and the 16,000 crowd respected impeccably. There was a true Town stalwart who'd been with us since the dark re-election days of 1969, the canny acquisition of Lawrie McMenemy, and the nurturing of the wonderful home grown talent of the late 1970s.
There's a legacy. I wonder what they'll write about our current (non) chairman when he he eventually leaves the club?
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
I well remember the night against Notts County in the League Cup in the 1979-80 season when there was a minute's silence for Paddy Hamilton, and the 16,000 crowd respected impeccably. There was a true Town stalwart who'd been with us since the dark re-election days of 1969, the canny acquisition of Lawrie McMenemy, and the nurturing of the wonderful home grown talent of the late 1970s.
There's a legacy. I wonder what they'll write about our current (non) chairman when he he eventually leaves the club?
There will be about 6 or 7 from the fishy who will say what a great bloke he was.
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
There will be about 6 or 7 from the fishy who will say what a great bloke he was.
But he isn't a nice bloke thou Pete. The only good thing he has kept town a float maybe at the expense of the teams budget. I've said it before you can't run a football club and be a politian. Whatever the delay is, deep down I think it's more to do with the purchasing of the docks. Once they have that I'm sure investors will move in and then purchase the club. I'm not sure if the length of discussions is a concern, anyone else want to share their thoughts on what the hold up is? I'm just interested that's all, I know some have said fenty being difficult.
If this was going to happen it would happened by now,it's going to end in tears.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
There will be about 6 or 7 from the fishy who will say what a great bloke he was.
Judging by the red crosses you got, only about 5. Maybe the rest are on a family holiday with no internet access.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Fair enough, operation promotion too. I thought you were talking at boardroom level, but that was a good amount too.
The last shareholding report of when Mike Parker was on the board showed that JF and MP both had £500 000 worth of shares. The majority of both of these was bought through a share issue where the money went to the club rather than to another person.
Parker bought £1m worth but gave half away to the Trust when he found out Fenty was only making a loan because otherwise he'd have had to offer to buy out all the shareholders under the Articles of Association.
The Trust then gave half the gifted shares to Fenty when he said he wouldn't underwrite the club's trading any longer.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
You come up with some spiteful posts sometimes Pete. Is it really necessary?
What`s spiteful about that it`s the truth there are half a dozen on here who will defend Mr Fenty whatever the criticsm blood is thicker than water and all that.
What`s spiteful about that it`s the truth there are half a dozen on here who will defend Mr Fenty whatever the criticsm blood is thicker than water and all that.
Do you not think it is also true that there are about half a dozen or so on here that will criticise Mr Fenty regardless of what he does. When he does something good they do a deep dive to nit pick every minor detail and even if there is nothing there, they then make something up and it then becomes a "fishy fact". And 3 months later everybody remembers that as being what happened even though somebody blinded with hate just made it up.
I don't understand why people "hate" JSF ,and it's obvious they do. You don't have to like the guy but to hate someone for doing what they think is right is totally wrong. Role on the baying dogs for not agreeing with them-opinions are good but a lot of posts go way too far-he is not a murderer for FKSAKE
I don't understand why people "hate" JSF ,and it's obvious they do. You don't have to like the guy but to hate someone for doing what they think is right is totally wrong. Role on the baying dogs for not agreeing with them-opinions are good but a lot of posts go way too far-he is not a murderer for FKSAKE
I don’t hate JSF but I don’t like what he’s done to the football club I’ve supported for 50 years. I’ve not asked for my money back on every occasion that we’ve played badly or every season we’ve been relegated.
Some people seem to have a very strange idea of what hate really is. The facts suggest we’ve fallen behind many clubs under John Fentys stewardship, to me that suggests we need a change. Nothing more.
I never said YOU hated JSF but from some of the posts you must agree some on here do. You state your opinion but it is obvious some on here are snarling at their keyboards
I never said YOU hated JSF but from some of the posts you must agree some on here do. You state your opinion but it is obvious some on here are snarling at their keyboards
I think most of the people you aim your comments at care passionately about GTFC. That doesn’t necessarily mean they hate the person running it.
Do you not think it is also true that there are about half a dozen or so on here that will criticise Mr Fenty regardless of what he does. When he does something good they do a deep dive to nit pick every minor detail and even if there is nothing there, they then make something up and it then becomes a "fishy fact". And 3 months later everybody remembers that as being what happened even though somebody blinded with hate just made it up.
Yes I think that`s a fair assessment pp. If you took away Fenty`s countless PR gaffes over the years 75% of his faults would not count
Oh but in a lot of cases it does. It shouldn't but it definitely does. I was talking to a chap last week who was calling FK out of Jsf and he had never been to BP in his life. A lot of people are like sheep but others are like wolves. Instead of people listing all the things that they consider he has done wrong why not list the things that they would have done.
I think most of the people you aim your comments at care passionately about GTFC. That doesn’t necessarily mean they hate the person running it.
Just raking over old ground again, apart from keeping the club afloat ( which may be the reason he cannot sell) Fenty has failed on every level. When he took over we were the regions top team, now are the worst, we have spent nearly all that time on non league or fighting relegation to non league. He has stumbled from one PR disaster to another. The new ground seems little closer the old ground falling to bits. I do not doubt he has tried his best, I do not hate him but he is a failure as a club chairman
Just raking over old ground again, apart from keeping the club afloat ( which may be the reason he cannot sell) Fenty has failed on every level. When he took over we were the regions top team, now are the worst, we have spent nearly all that time on non league or fighting relegation to non league. He has stumbled from one PR disaster to another. The new ground seems little closer the old ground falling to bits. I do not doubt he has tried his best, I do not hate him but he is a failure as a club chairman
I agree. And it’s little things like the comments made about Macca in Saturday’s interview that exemplify his lack of understanding. Macca, club hero, ‘hauled us over the coals’ while Nick Dale, who dropped the club in the shite, keeps his job. Unbelievable.
Oh but in a lot of cases it does. It shouldn't but it definitely does. I was talking to a chap last week who was calling FK out of Jsf and he had never been to BP in his life. A lot of people are like sheep but others are like wolves. Instead of people listing all the things that they consider he has done wrong why not list the things that they would have done.
Ok kept my mouth shut instead of putting my foot innit. Well you asked
I agree. And it’s little things like the comments made about Macca in Saturday’s interview that exemplify his lack of understanding. Macca, club hero, ‘hauled us over the coals’ while Nick Dale, who dropped the club in the shite, keeps his job. Unbelievable.
You do like to embellish your posts don't you?
Fair enough, Nick Dale messed up and whether or not he should lose his job is another debate but Macca a "club hero". He is a great servant to the club but it's his job and he has been paid to do it. I doubt that if you asked Macca he would describe himself as a club hero.
I like him because he is a good League 2 level goalkeeper and he has shown commitment to the club by staying as long as he has but there was one occasion I can remember when he seemed set on leaving, "played his last game for the club" was a quote I seem to recall, not necessarily from him though. Admittedly that was in the Bignot era (I think) and we may not have got the full details but what qualities make him a club hero?
I also agree with you that JF's ‘hauled us over the coals’ comments were unnecessary and will only serve to antagonise those that are anti JF. He does have a habit on saying the wrong things at the wrong time.
That said, I agree with the comments of Golfer and a few others. JF is a fan at heart, yes he has made wrong decisions and yes I want to see a change but I don't like to think where we would be without his money. I don't hate him, he has tried with the best of intentions and it's a thankless task.
We cannot change what has happened, so let's hope that the takeover goes through and we have a brighter future.
I wonder if the telegraph are going to get an interview with Tom Shutes? Get his side of the story.
I don't have a problem with Fenty, he's made some bad calls and he might not be the best in public but he genuinely has the clubs interests at heart. I didn't really like the comments about Macca though, didn't think that was really necessary.
Fair enough, Nick Dale messed up and whether or not he should lose his job is another debate but Macca a "club hero". He is a great servant to the club but it's his job and he has been paid to do it. I doubt that if you asked Macca he would describe himself as a club hero.
I like him because he is a good League 2 level goalkeeper and he has shown commitment to the club by staying as long as he has but there was one occasion I can remember when he seemed set on leaving, "played his last game for the club" was a quote I seem to recall, not necessarily from him though. Admittedly that was in the Bignot era (I think) and we may not have got the full details but what qualities make him a club hero?
I also agree with you that JF's ‘hauled us over the coals’ comments were unnecessary and will only serve to antagonise those that are anti JF. He does have a habit on saying the wrong things at the wrong time.
That said, I agree with the comments of Golfer and a few others. JF is a fan at heart, yes he has made wrong decisions and yes I want to see a change but I don't like to think where we would be without his money. I don't hate him, he has tried with the best of intentions and it's a thankless task.
We cannot change what has happened, so let's hope that the takeover goes through and we have a brighter future.
I had the radio on day of the interview you describe and it was a strange old day with Macca basically saying he had been told he was free to go and wouldnt be getting picked so he was off . Then Bignot came on and said the exact opposite and denied all knowledge of the matter ? Now with hindsight I would suspect most would believe Macca`s version of events?
Macca was ousted by an England international, premiership quality goalkeeper! Probably THE best goalkeeper we've had in 15 or so years. Understand why he was pi55ed off, but, he came back , imho, a better keeper
Oh but in a lot of cases it does. It shouldn't but it definitely does. I was talking to a chap last week who was calling FK out of Jsf and he had never been to BP in his life. A lot of people are like sheep but others are like wolves. Instead of people listing all the things that they consider he has done wrong why not list the things that they would have done.
Well one thing springs to mind, I would have sacked Neil Woods well before he reached 20 odd games without a win.
That may have saved us 6 years in Non League and at least (in JF's words) £3,000,000, easily enough to have paid him back.
Well one thing springs to mind, I would have sacked Neil Woods well before he reached 20 odd games without a win.
That may have saved us 6 years in Non League and at least (in JF's words) £3,000,000, easily enough to have paid him back.
I would have employed a credible Chief Executive/PR specialist who would be the go to man for the media.
Mr Fenty is the worst public speaker I have heard who has a major role in an important organisation. It beggars belief that he still thinks it is all ok; even when something positive happens he manages to turn it in to a negative, whether by accident or design.
This in itself would not be so much of a problem if he was overseeing a successful organisation which was going places, but together with all the well documented gaffes, mistakes and the falling out with all and sundry it really is a far cry from what the club deserves.
Well one thing springs to mind, I would have sacked Neil Woods well before he reached 20 odd games without a win.
That may have saved us 6 years in Non League and at least (in JF's words) £3,000,000, easily enough to have paid him back.
I Believe at the time a few members of the board including JF wanted to change managers but MP at the time backed Neil Woods and threatened to walk unless the board kept him.
Well one thing springs to mind, I would have sacked Neil Woods well before he reached 20 odd games without a win.
That may have saved us 6 years in Non League and at least (in JF's words) £3,000,000, easily enough to have paid him back.
To be fair to Woods, we should have been relegated the season before anyway. Had we stayed up we probably would have been relegated the season afterwards. We had been crap since 2006 and just got worse season on season. Pretty sure we would not suddenly have improved overnight.
As demonstrated by Linwoods interview this summer the players basically did not give a damn which did not help him.
That being said 20 games without a win and not getting sacked is pretty rare I would think at any football club!
Oh but in a lot of cases it does. It shouldn't but it definitely does. I was talking to a chap last week who was calling FK out of Jsf and he had never been to BP in his life. A lot of people are like sheep but others are like wolves. Instead of people listing all the things that they consider he has done wrong why not list the things that they would have done.
"I was talking to a chap last week..." Aye, right, as they say up here in Scotland. Present something as fact with nothing at all to back it up. Let's at least have a grown up debate about it please?
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
"I was talking to a chap last week..." Aye, right, as they say up here in Scotland. Present something as fact with nothing at all to back it up. Let's at least have a grown up debate about it please?
What a stupid statement Jock- i would have thought better from you. Actually he was a window cleaner who ran away to Scotland when he was a boy. He found that the ground was as hard and a yard was as long as in England That a cherry was as red and 4 score was eighty,and that wherever you are you follow the crowd to hate JSF.
I Believe at the time a few members of the board including JF wanted to change managers but MP at the time backed Neil Woods and threatened to walk unless the board kept him.
Wasn't Woods Mike Parkers choice and Fenty was outvoted on the decision to appoint him ?
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
I don't like JSF because of what he's done — and what he keeps doing — to this club. The longer he remains, the more damage he'll do. I'm literally waiting for the next major gaffe to happen.
I do accept that he's a fan at heart and doing the best he can. I've never said otherwise. But using the "he's a fan" line doesn't excuse the huge mistakes he's made.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
Think through all this, it would have been nice to have had an interview with Tom Schutes or his representatives and got his side as to why he wants to buy GTFC and his plans for the future. All the information we have been fed has come out of JSFs mouth making it all a bit one sided. Not to be a cynic,, but my original jubilation has now turned to dismay as I suspect Mr Schutes may turn out to be yet another "tyre kicker"😔😔
Fair enough, Nick Dale messed up and whether or not he should lose his job is another debate but Macca a "club hero". He is a great servant to the club but it's his job and he has been paid to do it. I doubt that if you asked Macca he would describe himself as a club hero.
I like him because he is a good League 2 level goalkeeper and he has shown commitment to the club by staying as long as he has but there was one occasion I can remember when he seemed set on leaving, "played his last game for the club" was a quote I seem to recall, not necessarily from him though. Admittedly that was in the Bignot era (I think) and we may not have got the full details but what qualities make him a club hero?
I also agree with you that JF's ‘hauled us over the coals’ comments were unnecessary and will only serve to antagonise those that are anti JF. He does have a habit on saying the wrong things at the wrong time.
John McDermott is quite rightly held in hero status yet he walked away from the club when he all but joined Hull in 2003. He did that for more money and to look after himself. No-one could blame him for that, just like how no-one could have blamed McKeown or any other player for looking after themselves at any point in their career.
Hate is a strong word. I certainly don't hate John Fenty. I think he's incompetent and a terrible leader of the club, I dislike how he's run the club and continues to allow it to tread water on his watch. But hate is many steps too far in my eyes.
Think through all this, it would have been nice to have had an interview with Tom Schutes or his representatives and got his side as to why he wants to buy GTFC and his plans for the future. All the information we have been fed has come out of JSFs mouth making it all a bit one sided. Not to be a cynic,, but my original jubilation has now turned to dismay as I suspect Mr Schutes may turn out to be yet another "tyre kicker"😔😔
Or maybe just carrying on looking at the options without reporting to the public every five minutes? It's been stated many times within this thread there are probably confidentiality conditions around any deal. I do understand JF has commented but not actual specifics. In any case just wait for the official outcome because that's the only news that's actually means anything.
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
It looks like its a Good night from me and a Good night from him on this one. Sold a few season tickets tho i guess
Have you actually heard something as such or just a bit fed up of waiting ? I haven't seen anything that changes it one way or another. Or have I missed something ??
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Well.. only nine days ago JF stated the takeover was still possible. Are you more in the know than the owner of the club himself? Or are you calling JF a liar? Or has he been stringing it out to sell more season tickets?
I wouldn't know, but you seem to without disclosing any facts at all to back up your claim..
If it is dead can someone come out with confirmation please so that we can all move on.
Not all of us was so gullible or desperate to swallow this story hook line and sinker.Believe me any potential takeover will be completed before any sniff of it is mentioned in the public domain.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
Not all of us was so gullible or desperate to swallow this story hook line and sinker.Believe me any potential takeover will be completed before any sniff of it is mentioned in the public domain.
As it should be, to be honest. There's a reason some management decisions sit with management before completion, because of what's at stake, emotions involved etc.
We know there's interest and that Fenty is actively listening to potential offers, it would be detrimental to the process for the fans to know the ins and outs whilst we're still talking hypothetical.
I hope it happens soon - although we also need to get the right buyer. Whatever you think of Fenty, he won't sell the club to some chancer who will run us into the ground and we end up in Bury's situation.
As for the new stadium, if the council are involved, then it will take an age for anything to happen. They cannot do anything without countless meetings and debate and consultation.
While the Telegraph did some excellent work to dig up some fascinating insights behind this proposed takeover, I think it created some unrealistic expectations.
Firstly, it believed Shutes had passed the FPP test, and secondly it believed a deal would be done before the start of the season — neither of which, on reflection, has happened.
I'm not having a go at the Telegraph here because the original work to bring this to light was excellent. But there's no doubt that it got all of us excited and we took their understanding of the situation as gospel.
So when things haven't happened, that doesn't mean they won't happen. If the deal's been trundling on in the background for a year already then it might take a few more months to get over the line.
It's not just simply about buying the club out or taking over — there's a bigger project going on here involving the town of Grimsby. This isn't your ordinary takeover of a football club, so this could trundle on for a while yet.
I don't mind waiting, as long as the correct conclusion is reached.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
Have you actually heard something as such or just a bit fed up of waiting ? I haven't seen anything that changes it one way or another. Or have I missed something ??
I doubt denni will have heard anything.
Problem is we have started the season well so he can’t yet come on here moaning about how sh it the players and the manager are, so he just wants to have a moan about something else.
Cruel but if that’s what the current owner needs to do to generate sales, it says an awful lot about his stewardship!! Just like every other false dawn during his time!! Peaked Parkway, Extreme Leisure, New Takeover!
Cruel but if that’s what the current owner needs to do to generate sales, it says an awful lot about his stewardship!! Just like every other false dawn during his time!! Peaked Parkway, Extreme Leisure, New Takeover!
It is just a bit of a joke really!!
The only joke is your ridiculous post. Bet you think the moon landings were faked as well
The only joke is your ridiculous post. Bet you think the moon landings were faked as well
I thought 'Peaked Parkway' was a good one actually.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
While the Telegraph did some excellent work to dig up some fascinating insights behind this proposed takeover, I think it created some unrealistic expectations.
Firstly, it believed Shutes had passed the FPP test, and secondly it believed a deal would be done before the start of the season — neither of which, on reflection, has happened.
I'm not having a go at the Telegraph here because the original work to bring this to light was excellent. But there's no doubt that it got all of us excited and we took their understanding of the situation as gospel.
So when things haven't happened, that doesn't mean they won't happen. If the deal's been trundling on in the background for a year already then it might take a few more months to get over the line.
It's not just simply about buying the club out or taking over — there's a bigger project going on here involving the town of Grimsby. This isn't your ordinary takeover of a football club, so this could trundle on for a while yet.
I don't mind waiting, as long as the correct conclusion is reached.
Think, from what I've heard, that you've about got it spot on.
I think from the buyer's side, the deal wouldn't happen if the regeneration side didn't happen. From the seller's side, I'm guessing that Mr Fenty didn't make his money by being pushed around in business deals and he's looking for the best possible outcome.
I think that we are still quite a long way from all the ducks being lined up - but I would be happy to be wrong.
The firm I work for received an invitation today from Historic England to bid for a job titled: “Tender opportunity: Historic England - 7802 Historic Building Investigations –building surveys of thirteen buildings in the Old Fish Docks, Kasbah Conservation Area, Grimsby”. We only get a call about something like this when it’s going to be demolished or dug up. Early days, but a sure sign of impending development of some kind.
The firm I work for received an invitation today from Historic England to bid for a job titled: “Tender opportunity: Historic England - 7802 Historic Building Investigations –building surveys of thirteen buildings in the Old Fish Docks, Kasbah Conservation Area, Grimsby”. We only get a call about something like this when it’s going to be demolished or dug up. Early days, but a sure sign of impending development of some kind.
For goodness sake tell them there's nothing of value, there's no such place as the kasbah and the whole lot should be obliterated and replaced with car park and a shiny new stadium.
“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
This is written by a friend of mine's brother. Now, I'm not saying this is what Shutes is but the apparent lack of ability to prove funds is quite worrying to me. Also, with people like Shutes you have to ask yourself "what's in it for them?" because unless I'm mistaken he isn't a fan in the same way that Fenty or Bill Carr are/were fans.
Just think we should be a little careful what we wish for.
Some fan Fenty is, dragged us into non-league for 6 years and treats every paying customer like something he’s scraped off his shoe, wouldn’t back the only manager who’d managed a promotion in 20 years then blamed the fans for it.
People say football’s a business - maybe it’s time for someone actually interested in running the club that way then, rather than a self-serving boys’ club vanity project?
Some fan Fenty is, dragged us into non-league for 6 years and treats every paying customer like something he’s scraped off his shoe, wouldn’t back the only manager who’d managed a promotion in 20 years then blamed the fans for it.
People say football’s a business - maybe it’s time for someone actually interested in running the club that way then, rather than a self-serving boys’ club vanity project?
never said I was a Fenty fan, I'm not. But he is a fan. Is Shutes a fan? What is in it for him? He's an entrepreneur, he's not doing it out of the goodness of his own heart.
never said I was a Fenty fan, I'm not. But he is a fan. Is Shutes a fan? What is in it for him? He's an entrepreneur, he's not doing it out of the goodness of his own heart.
Never said you were but this perpetual deference to what must be the worst owner the club has ever had is absolutely pathetic.
Regardless of the reasons for Fenty’s continued dominance over the club, maybe having someone in the chair who actually wants to make money through getting people through the turnstiles might actually be a good thing? How many more examples of Fenty pissing money and opportunities down the drain do people need before they start questioning him?
This is written by a friend of mine's brother. Now, I'm not saying this is what Shutes is but the apparent lack of ability to prove funds is quite worrying to me. Also, with people like Shutes you have to ask yourself "what's in it for them?" because unless I'm mistaken he isn't a fan in the same way that Fenty or Bill Carr are/were fans.
Just think we should be a little careful what we wish for.
When you buy a house you don't have to show proof of funds before they let you inside the estate agents.
When you buy a house you don't have to show proof of funds before they let you inside the estate agents.
But you do have to have the cash or a mortgage before it goes ahead.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
This is written by a friend of mine's brother. Now, I'm not saying this is what Shutes is but the apparent lack of ability to prove funds is quite worrying to me. Also, with people like Shutes you have to ask yourself "what's in it for them?" because unless I'm mistaken he isn't a fan in the same way that Fenty or Bill Carr are/were fans.
Just think we should be a little careful what we wish for.
Nothing like our scenario at all. And the ability to fund the purchase of a football club has nothing to do with how someone behaves one they own it.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
never said I was a Fenty fan, I'm not. But he is a fan. Is Shutes a fan? What is in it for him? He's an entrepreneur, he's not doing it out of the goodness of his own heart.
And neither is Fenty of course. Proof of that is him wanting his benign loans back.
Never said you were but this perpetual deference to what must be the worst owner the club has ever had is absolutely pathetic.
Regardless of the reasons for Fenty’s continued dominance over the club, maybe having someone in the chair who actually wants to make money through getting people through the turnstiles might actually be a good thing? How many more examples of Fenty pissing money and opportunities down the drain do people need before they start questioning him?
Huxford for me! Nearly bankrupt the club. Just saying!
This is written by a friend of mine's brother. Now, I'm not saying this is what Shutes is but the apparent lack of ability to prove funds is quite worrying to me. Also, with people like Shutes you have to ask yourself "what's in it for them?" because unless I'm mistaken he isn't a fan in the same way that Fenty or Bill Carr are/were fans.
Just think we should be a little careful what we wish for.
All life is a risk. Fenty has proven to be one hell of a risk - nobody asked for or wanted us stuck in division 4 after nearly 20 years, with 6 of those out of the league altogether and still owing him the money he leant us.
Fenty has been a disaster. The only thing that has saved us is the fact that the fans have stayed quite loyal and have kept the club solvent.
I am sure that Tom Shutes would like the club to become part and parcel of the towns regeneration - if he makes some money then good for him.
Shutes's grandad was Grimsby born and bred, he certainly has links to the area and has a great passion for the regeneration of places that fallen by the wayside.
I think what he means is you can enquire about a house and have a look around even without needing any proof of funds. However if you want to go for it you have to prove to lenders you able to afford.
I guess there an anology there in a sense that relevant to looking at and enquiring about a football club. But when it comes to the business and legal end of proceedings in both cases, you must be able to prove you have the finances.
Based on the last month or so, if Fenty believed the Shutes deal is dead he would be rushing out to leak that information and then give an interview to BBC RH.
Everything I hear makes me think Fenty is trying to pressure Shutes to hurry things up and work to his time frame. I doubt that would work with Shutes. Let's be honest, there's no queue of potential owners lining up are there?
One thing that people need to accept right now is that the docks plan is pure folly. Just ludicrous. Freemo is the only show in town, and it’s THE best option anyway.
Based on the last month or so, if Fenty believed the Shutes deal is dead he would be rushing out to leak that information and then give an interview to BBC RH.
Everything I hear makes me think Fenty is trying to pressure Shutes to hurry things up and work to his time frame. I doubt that would work with Shutes. Let's be honest, there's no queue of potential owners lining up are there?
I have thought exactly the same thing. Somebody with money must be behind Shutes. They must have a chance to make money to be interested and that can only be linked to a new ground and regeneration of the area. That means things move slowly but Fenty gets impatient and decides to utilise the press in yet another example of Machiavellian genius....... That won't work as it will only happen if and when the other pieces of the puzzle are lined up. I know nothing about Shutes but would bet big money he can run rings around JF.
With Fenty in charge of regeneration, whoever takes over the club will be also be at the mercy of Fenty, especially if a new stadium is part of an overall regeneration package. So to be honest, if Fenty stays at the club or leaves, it really doesn't matter as a new owner would have to work with him. That would be a nightmare for any prospective new owner. With regards to relocation Fenty will still have too much sway and influence.
Imagine having such a sad and lonely life that you're on a rival football team's message board at 11pm. I feel a bit sad being on my own team's message board at this time.
Makes me laugh all this he's a fan crud...if he was a true fan and bought the club for that reason I'd have respect but he didn't... Ask Dave Whelan what it means to buy a club you are true fan of...he ploughed £85m of his own cash into Wigan and never once called it a "benign" loan nor wanted any of that back, he did for the love of his club... In fact to quote DW..." If you want to make money don't buy a football club"!!
FFS. Really?? I'm sure you lot just copy and paste from other threads. Same sh1t different thread. In fact all the threads are mostly the same. Fenty bashing at it's finest. Telegraph ran a story that wasn't fully true, fans wanted to believe it, JF came out and set the record straight in informing us that in fact Shutes hadn't come up with the goods so to speak and yet here you all are, blaming JF. Laughable.
Or if you don’t like people moaning about you, do something positive to show the fans you appreciate them, rather than just bleeding the friggers dry every week.
Or if you don’t like people moaning about you, do something positivity to show the fans you appreciate them, rather than just bleeding the friggers dry every week.
One of the problems Fenty has is people just don’t believe him when he says anything because he’s been economical with the truth in the past. I have no idea what any hold up is about and it could well be that Shutes has no proof of funds but I certainly won’t just take Fenty’s word at face value and I suspect many others are in the same boat.
FFS. Really?? I'm sure you lot just copy and paste from other threads. Same sh1t different thread. In fact all the threads are mostly the same. Fenty bashing at it's finest. Telegraph ran a story that wasn't fully true, fans wanted to believe it, JF came out and set the record straight in informing us that in fact Shutes hadn't come up with the goods so to speak and yet here you all are, blaming JF. Laughable.
I don't believe a thing he (Fenty) says.
I remember that radio interview with JT years ago when he was screaming the loans were benign. Benign in the sense that he wouldn't call them in, but they certainly are not benign when he wants the money back which perhaps is one reason the talks have stalled.
So PP and FF, why do you think Forza is having a go at your mate then because of what he is (claiming)? Are you saying it would be reprehensible for Fenty to try to get the most for himself out of the situation?
Ignore for the moment the question of whether or not Forza (or his relative) is telling the truth. Assume he is telling the truth for now. (I have to say of all the posters on here he has not been known for posting bullshit, whatever you think of his opinions- and even in that score his opinions have always been more considered and measured than ‘the usual suspects ‘ like myself).
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Please could I ask people to stick to the established facts about the negotiations and not express "inside" information about how the talks are going (even if you believe it to be true). I know facts are thin on the ground but you can talk about what you'd like to see happen, or think should happen, but not what actually is happening when it's not in the public domain.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
Please could I ask people to stick to the established facts about the negotiations and not express "inside" information about how the talks are going (even if you believe it to be true). I know facts are thin on the ground but you can talk about what you'd like to see happen, or think should happen, but not what actually is happening when it's not in the public domain.
Looks like someone’s had his orders through...
How’s that any different to fans speculating on talks with incoming/outgoing players?
So if it’s true but not known about, we can’t talk about it. But if it’s not true we can. 😂
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
So PP and FF, why do you think Forza is having a go at your mate then because of what he is (claiming)? Are you saying it would be reprehensible for Fenty to try to get the most for himself out of the situation?
Ignore for the moment the question of whether or not Forza (or his relative) is telling the truth. Assume he is telling the truth for now. (I have to say of all the posters on here he has not been known for posting bullshit, whatever you think of his opinions- and even in that score his opinions have always been more considered and measured than ‘the usual suspects ‘ like myself).
I understand from a very good in fact an outstanding source (and no I won't disclose who but regular Swinbashers will know this is the first time that I have ever claimed any inside info)) that the current situation is totally opposite to that suggested by Forza
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Please could I ask people to stick to the established facts about the negotiations and not express "inside" information about how the talks are going (even if you believe it to be true). I know facts are thin on the ground but you can talk about what you'd like to see happen, or think should happen, but not what actually is happening when it's not in the public domain.
If we stick to "established facts" there would be very little to say would there? Fenty wants to sell, Shutes wants to buy. That is about it, isn't it?
Speculation and opinions is what a message board is for. As long as we keep to forum rules, what is the problem?
Please could I ask people to stick to the established facts about the negotiations and not express "inside" information about how the talks are going (even if you believe it to be true). I know facts are thin on the ground but you can talk about what you'd like to see happen, or think should happen, but not what actually is happening when it's not in the public domain.
If we stick to "established facts" there would be very little to say would there? Fenty wants to sell, Shutes wants to buy. That is about it, isn't it?
Speculation and opinions is what a message board is for. As long as we keep to forum rules, what is the problem?
The post that was deleted gave a specific reason why the talks had stalled, that's not speculation or opinion.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
It was a reply to the post that was deleted and quoted it. Your post, in isolation, was fine. But without the context of what it was replying to, it didn't make sense.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
I understand from a very good in fact an outstanding source (and no I won't disclose who but regular Swinbashers will know this is the first time that I have ever claimed any inside info)) that the current situation is totally opposite to that suggested by Forza
So the talks havn't stalled due to Fenty actually wanting LESS money ?
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It was a reply to the post that was deleted and quoted it. Your post, in isolation, was fine. But without the context of what it was replying to, it didn't make sense.
Obviously there are a few conclusions that can be drawn from this. Probably best to draw a veil over them.
The post that was deleted gave a specific reason why the talks had stalled, that's not speculation or opinion.
Rob, it sounds like you are saying that Forza's post was fact. Maybe you want to re-phrase the above? I know you have to tread carefully in case you are seen to be publishing something that is defamatory or libellous.
Also I'm genuinely confused. Speculation and opinion is OK, but fact isn't uness it's well known. If Forza had told a porky (or his relative had told him a porky, or had no inside information) then his post would be OK? Surely not!
By the way Pen Penfras' post seems to have gone. Was that deleted too?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
FFS. Really?? I'm sure you lot just copy and paste from other threads. Same sh1t different thread. In fact all the threads are mostly the same. Fenty bashing at it's finest. Telegraph ran a story that wasn't fully true, fans wanted to believe it, JF came out and set the record straight in informing us that in fact Shutes hadn't come up with the goods so to speak and yet here you all are, blaming JF. Laughable.
Out of interest, which bit wasn't fully true? Do you mean the bit where they said that they understood Shutes had passed the fit and proper persons test?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Or maybe they are just concerned that the the truth being revealed would have a negative impact on Matchday Sales!!
Let’s try and sell some more STs etc under the guise that we may be in for more fortunate/promising times with a new perspective buyer when actually........
This Club, as much as I absolutely love it, is truly in the 19th Century with its PR!!
Great Post Big dog, Fenty's iron curtain coming down and feeling Rob's collar it seems. Why can't someone say what they've been told? Hit a nerve? Too close the truth?
Very few people on here know anything-everything is either speculation or bullshit. There are those who call JSF at every opportunity without knowing all the facts and those who defend him also without knowing all the facts. The aggressive ones seem to be those who call him. Defenders defend-attackers attack-until something materialises let's be midfielders
The clear and obvious shutting down of free speech is what riles me right now. Speculation of course, but no points for guessing a certain overlord Dictator has given his orders.
Shame on Rob for bowing to his whim and partaking in the demanded shut down. Can Rob at least confirm for the sake of democracy, free speech and truth that he has in fact been ordered to remove said post? Doubt it, hands tied and threatened most likely.
But then I guess us annoying peasants should just shut up and pay our money.
For the sake of equality, can we have pro-Fenty rumours and unbacked statements or rumours removed also?
The decision NOT to renew my season ticket based on Mr Fenty continuing his reign of terror looks a shrewd one . The untapped potential of GTFC is large however the chances of progress under this current regime are nil.
Put a end to this thread it won’t be happening, not unless Fenty pops his clogs he says one thing and does another, looks like we will be staying where we are or back to non league again in a few years
We're on our way back, we’ll was now on our way back to non league 👍🏻
I have no inside information, so I base my opinions on what has gone before.
Unfortunately for Mr Fenty, what’s gone before is general incompetence and poor communication. So when he speaks, I don’t believe whatever comes out of his mouth.
Someone at RH or the Telegraph needs to ask the question and get a straight answer from Fenty: is the takeover deal dead? Easy yes or no question to answer.
Come on, local media - it’s over to you now.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
I have no inside information, so I base my opinions on what has gone before.
Unfortunately for Mr Fenty, what’s gone before is general incompetence and poor communication. So when he speaks, I don’t believe whatever comes out of his mouth.
Someone at RH or the Telegraph needs to ask the question and get a straight answer from Fenty: is the takeover deal dead? Easy yes or no question to answer.
Come on, local media - it’s over to you now.
You don’t think that every news story so far either print or radio was leaked by Fenty?
Very few people on here know anything-everything is either speculation or bullshit. There are those who call JSF at every opportunity without knowing all the facts and those who defend him also without knowing all the facts. The aggressive ones seem to be those who call him. Defenders defend-attackers attack-until something materialises let's be midfielders
We don't know the facts because nobody at the club tells us a f#cking thing.
Shutes was never called a "tyrekicker" by JF. I have removed any post suggesting that this was ever the case. If someone can provide a link showing that he did indeed say or write this then I will put them back.
If someone complains about a post (and yes they have) and we think they have a case to answer then we will remove it. Removing these posts is not quashing "freedom of speech". You can express opinions but can't present facts that are not proven.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
For whatever reason, the only constant in this is Mr. Shutes silence.
Mr Fenty is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in some respects and I don't envy him one bit. It is obvious to see the man wants out. But to give the ins and outs of any deal may scupper it and to say silent breeds rumours. It's a difficult one, we all wanna know but at the same time, the more we all know the less likely it is to happen.
My own opinions of the regime aside, the real 'bad guy' in all of this is the telewag. Going to print without all the facts, I think has hindered the process. Causing grief and hassle, where, to be honest non of us need.
Shutes was never called a "tyrekicker" by JF. I have removed any post suggesting that this was ever the case. If someone can provide a link showing that he did indeed say or write this then I will put them back.
If someone complains about a post (and yes they have) and we think they have a case to answer then we will remove it. Removing these posts is not quashing "freedom of speech". You can express opinions but can't present facts that are not proven.
I understand from your liability point of view Rob but it's a shame that the club can say whatever they like with zero consequences (Nick Dale for example) yet they try and silence us constantly.
Still think it would be great to get it from Shutes' perspective. We've only heard from Fenty and of course he isn't going to say if he is the one holding up the deal.
The person responsible for the phrase “tyre-kicker” being in use in relationship to on going takeover talks is Fenty himself. And from what I remember he only said he thought Shutes felt different. So he left open the possibility that he was wrong.
I understand from your liability point of view Rob but it's a shame that the club can say whatever they like with zero consequences (Nick Dale for example) yet they try and silence us constantly.
Still think it would be great to get it from Shutes' perspective. We've only heard from Fenty and of course he isn't going to say if he is the one holding up the deal.
The problem nowadays is everyone wants to know all the ins and outs straight away but the club and Mr Shutes will have signed a confidentiality agreement, The club is not going to come out and say anything that could offend or put off the potential buyer off until the deal is completely dead, Even then I cant see the club giving to much detail out about why the deal fell through just in case there is a change in the future. If JF was the reason the deal is faltering as some on here suggest I would expect the potential buyer to make this public thus turning the fans further against him and putting more pressure on JF to sell.
The delay / lack of progress is NOT to do with the personal payment to Fenty please lets leave it at that
Rob, to be consistent, you should ban this post because Swin said he’d got facts from someone in the know.
Somehow I don’t think the same rule applied to Forza will be applied here.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I have spoken to John about the talks and how they are going. I am happy, as a supporter (and a very small shareholder), with the approach he is taking, but it's something that can't obviously be publicised until a conclusion is reached. Much as I would like to see a change of ownership it has to be to the right person and with the club's future assured for the short to medium term.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
I have spoken to John about the talks and how they are going. I am happy, as a supporter (and a very small shareholder), with the approach he is taking, but it's something that can't obviously be publicised until a conclusion is reached. Much as I would like to see a change of ownership it has to be to the right person and with the club's future assured for the short to medium term.
This to me is a massive problem, we are pinning or hopes on the wrong man with a terrible record dictating who he thinks is the right man! I do not trust him to make the right decision for the club only himself.
This to me is a massive problem, we are pinning or hopes on the wrong man with a terrible record dictating who he thinks is the right man! I do not trust him to make the right decision for the club only himself.
That's a bit simplistic. Quite a lot of other people are involved. While the final decision may well rest largely with John (as it always would in organisation, him being the man who owns most of it) others will have their say on the process.
Times have not been great over the last couple of decades but there are plenty of teams for whom it has been even worse. I think the club would benefit from some fresh leadership as I think a fresh look at how the club operates would be beneficial. But that doesn't mean literally anyone is acceptable.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
I have spoken to John about the talks and how they are going. I am happy, as a supporter (and a very small shareholder), with the approach he is taking, but it's something that can't obviously be publicised until a conclusion is reached. Much as I would like to see a change of ownership it has to be to the right person and with the club's future assured for the short to medium term.
Stop talking sense and facts on here Rob, you will have to bar yourself from posting.
Rob, to be consistent, you should ban this post because Swin said he’d got facts from someone in the know.
Somehow I don’t think the same rule applied to Forza will be applied here.
Delete my post(s) if you wish Rob after all no fornicator will believe it isn't down to John Fenty anyway, everyone wants it to be his fault for holding things up
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Delete my post(s) if you wish Rob after all no fornicator will believe it isn't down to John Fenty anyway, everyone wants it to be his fault for holding things up
And therein lies the problem Swin. Because of Johns relationship with the fans he will be assumed guilty until proven innocent. My own opinion (and I don’ t claim to be ‘in the know’), is that this whole deal is far more than just buying GTFC. I reckon it’s far more complicated than that. I think it’s pretty obvious I’m not on ‘Team Fenty’. But on this occasion I believe he’s getting rough justice from what we actually KNOW. I still think there’s a fair way to go before we hear anything concrete one way or the other. And I suspect that when we do there will be plans involved regarding new ground, regeneration etc etc. It’s a shame John has bitten about comments on a forum, buts that’s how he is. For me, I still wait in hope, but it’s hope more than expectation I’m afraid.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
And therein lies the problem Swin. Because of Johns relationship with the fans he will be assumed guilty until proven innocent. My own opinion (and I don’ t claim to be ‘in the know’), is that this whole deal is far more than just buying GTFC. I reckon it’s far more complicated than that. I think it’s pretty obvious I’m not on ‘Team Fenty’. But on this occasion I believe he’s getting rough justice from what we actually KNOW. I still think there’s a fair way to go before we hear anything concrete one way or the other. And I suspect that when we do there will be plans involved regarding new ground, regeneration etc etc. It’s a shame John has bitten about comments on a forum, buts that’s how he is. For me, I still wait in hope, but it’s hope more than expectation I’m afraid.
Concur with this and also the GET reporting of this before it's got to its' final stages. But then that begs the question as to where GET got their information from.
I think fenty could possibly gain some credibility by coming out and saying the deal is dead (if that's the truth)
Though, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a blanket being pulled over a lot of people's heads
On the flip side if the truth is the deal is dead due to what some people have said about Fenty's demands, then Fenty would stand to lose what credibility he had left and would be vilified even more than he has in the past.
The win win for Fenty is for Shutes to show the funding, pass the fit and proper test and for Fenty to swallow his pride and wipe out the benign loan. He walks away with a clean slate, he can hold his head up and say he did the best he could with the limited funds and dead weight that is the board.
I think we should send a budding journalist to interview both Fenty and Shutes, put their statements side to side and see what matches up and what doesn't. Somewhere in between will be the truth.
Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
On the flip side if the truth is the deal is dead due to what some people have said about Fenty's demands, then Fenty would stand to lose what credibility he had left and would be vilified even more than he has in the past.
The win win for Fenty is for Shutes to show the funding, pass the fit and proper test and for Fenty to swallow his pride and wipe out the benign loan. He walks away with a clean slate, he can hold his head up and say he did the best he could with the limited funds and dead weight that is the board.
I think we should send a budding journalist to interview both Fenty and Shutes, put their statements side to side and see what matches up and what doesn't. Somewhere in between will be the truth.
Much as I'd love to know what's going on, my inclination would be to let them crack on and get it sorted. That said, it seems a long time since Mr Fenty's last interview with David Burns regarding concluding a deal before the season starts.
We shouldn’t really know anything about the deal. This is a ltd company that’s being bought not an Orion 1.6 Ghia from big Dave down the pub.
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This saga is a bit like Brexit, rumour after rumour and nothing much happening.
I hope we get this sorted soon so we can kick on with the new ground wherever that might be.
I have no inside info but I trust Swin so I believe that it is not Fenty holding things up.
I did find it strange that we had the council backing and it look like we would be moving to Freemo then found out it could be on the Docks, That must have come from Shutes I would have thought so I guess we shall have to be patient and wait and see what happens.
As long as it does not take as long as Brexit.
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What when we’re so close to the Magic Ton? Only 7 more pages to go.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
This saga is a bit like Brexit, rumour after rumour and nothing much happening.
I hope we get this sorted soon so we can kick on with the new ground wherever that might be.
I have no inside info but I trust Swin so I believe that it is not Fenty holding things up.
I did find it strange that we had the council backing and it look like we would be moving to Freemo then found out it could be on the Docks, That must have come from Shutes I would have thought so I guess we shall have to be patient and wait and see what happens.
As long as it does not take as long as Brexit.
Both being run by a Tory buffoon and going to end in no deal.
Or if you don’t like people moaning about you, do something positive to show the fans you appreciate them, rather than just bleeding the friggers dry every week.
Pathetic !
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
We shouldn’t really know anything about the deal. This is a ltd company that’s being bought not an Orion 1.6 Ghia from big Dave down the pub.
Haven't you realised by now that The Fishy has to be informed of every decision made by the club and be privy to every discussion where the club is involved!
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
On the flip side if the truth is the deal is dead due to what some people have said about Fenty's demands, then Fenty would stand to lose what credibility he had left and would be vilified even more than he has in the past.
The win win for Fenty is for Shutes to show the funding, pass the fit and proper test and for Fenty to swallow his pride and wipe out the benign loan. He walks away with a clean slate, he can hold his head up and say he did the best he could with the limited funds and dead weight that is the board.
I think we should send a budding journalist to interview both Fenty and Shutes, put their statements side to side and see what matches up and what doesn't. Somewhere in between will be the truth.
What's stopping you contacting some " budding journalist " ?
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
Haven't you realised by now that The Fishy has to be informed of every decision made by the club and be privy to every discussion where the club is involved!
….and your point is? Unlike some posters I don't expect the club to keep me informed of every decision especially those of a sensitive nature. Following this thread, there are so many posters jumping to conclusions that you could start an exercise class. I personally think the original statement in the GET was very premature with very little " concrete substance " to validate it. The only fact that has surfaced is that there has been discussions with the club about a prospective buy out and those " negotiations " have been on going for about 12 months. Everything else is hearsay and speculation fuelled by a lot of posters on here.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
….and your point is? Unlike some posters I don't expect the club to keep me informed of every decision especially those of a sensitive nature. Following this thread, there are so many posters jumping to conclusions that you could start an exercise class. I personally think the original statement in the GET was very premature with very little " concrete substance " to validate it. The only fact that has surfaced is that there has been discussions with the club about a prospective buy out and those " negotiations " have been on going for about 12 months. Everything else is hearsay and speculation fuelled by a lot of posters on here.
My post was quite pointless really.
This is a forum about a football club which is likely to have various opinions, points of view and speculation.
….and your point is? Unlike some posters I don't expect the club to keep me informed of every decision especially those of a sensitive nature. Following this thread, there are so many posters jumping to conclusions that you could start an exercise class. I personally think the original statement in the GET was very premature with very little " concrete substance " to validate it. The only fact that has surfaced is that there has been discussions with the club about a prospective buy out and those " negotiations " have been on going for about 12 months. Everything else is hearsay and speculation fuelled by a lot of posters on here.
I never believe what I read in a newspaper that's why I only buy one if there has been a lot of footy to read,
I never believe anything the telegraph prints full stop.
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
How many miles on the clock and is it that metallic pinky colour Ford were doing back in the day? Getting quite rare them.
The thing is that Big Dave’ bought it coz the bloke who owned it got into trouble with HP payments and it might have been scrapped. Since then he’s run it at minimal maintenance costs and shelled out quite a few quid on sh1t mechanics that he thought could improve it but didn’t. It was even off the road for a few years. It’s improved slightly but is still a bit of a ‘shed’. However, Dave not only wants the ‘book’ price, but all the money he wasted on it as well. So unless you have a few quid and love this particular car it could be a bit of a problem. 😉.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
The thing is that Big Dave’ bought it coz the bloke who owned it got into trouble with HP payments and it might have been scrapped. Since then he’s run it at minimal maintenance costs and shelled out quite a few quid on sh1t mechanics that he thought could improve it but didn’t. It was even off the road for a few years. It’s improved slightly but is still a bit of a ‘shed’. However, Dave not only wants the ‘book’ price, but all the money he wasted on it as well. So unless you have a few quid and love this particular car it could be a bit of a problem. 😉.
gosh, that seems ludicrous, if its running a bit rough and not been subject to a fully catalogued restoration then he would be lucky to get scrap value. I think i will pass on this one.
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I have spoken to John about the talks and how they are going. I am happy, as a supporter (and a very small shareholder), with the approach he is taking, but it's something that can't obviously be publicised until a conclusion is reached. Much as I would like to see a change of ownership it has to be to the right person and with the club's future assured for the short to medium term.
This is beyond farcical.
Were any checks carried out before Fenty took charge, and what did they show? That he had enough money for the purchase I presume?
A lot of good that did.
What followed was the worst period in our history,six years in non-league with a trip to Guisley as the highlight, chronic lack of investment and PR disaster heaped upon PR disaster.
Thank God for those checks to ensure the clubs future is assured in the "short to medium term".
What's stopping you contacting some " budding journalist " ?
I don't know any budding journalist hence my post on here, my post highlights the fact I don't know any budding journalist otherwise I would have contacted them and no need to post what I said about a budding journalist, I know someone on here interviewed Fenty when he was sat on his pool table so thought maybe that chap would pick up on it, I can't remember who it was, maybe you remember who that was if not, I guess you can consider your question answered.
Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
Delete my post(s) if you wish Rob after all no fornicator will believe it isn't down to John Fenty anyway, everyone wants it to be his fault for holding things up
Funny that, because i always thought if you acted like a cok o' the walk, fell out with everyone, and tried to bully people into not saying anything critical about you, you would be very popular and everyone would trust you. Imagine.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Were any checks carried out before Fenty took charge, and what did they show? That he had enough money for the purchase I presume?
A lot of good that did.
What followed was the worst period in our history,six years in non-league with a trip to Guisley as the highlight, chronic lack of investment and PR disaster heaped upon PR disaster.
Thank God for those checks to ensure the clubs future is assured in the "short to medium term".
That’s the thing though. JF has had his time, he’s had his fun and, as I stated in my deleted post, he’s squeezed the life out of the the club. Without the unbelievable loyalty of the fans, God knows where we would be.
Shutes was never called a "tyrekicker" by JF. I have removed any post suggesting that this was ever the case. If someone can provide a link showing that he did indeed say or write this then I will put them back.
If someone complains about a post (and yes they have) and we think they have a case to answer then we will remove it. Removing these posts is not quashing "freedom of speech". You can express opinions but can't present facts that are not proven.
Did he not refer to tyre kickers in his last interview about the takeover bid?
Disclaimer: The above question is a question, and is most definitely not a statement purporting to be fact from anyone who might be in the know, or a bloke down the pub, whether or not such an alleged conversation with person or persons or bloke down the pub known to the poster, real or imagined, whether or not such alleged fact was later discovered to be a fact or not except insofar as such an alleged or real fact was already in the public domain at the time the said statement of claimed fact was made.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Funny that, because i always thought if you acted like a cok o' the walk, fell out with everyone, and tried to bully people into not saying anything critical about you, you would be very popular and everyone would trust you. Imagine.
Too deep for me pal
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Did he not refer to tyre kickers in his last interview about the takeover bid?
Disclaimer: The above question is a question, and is most definitely not a statement purporting to be fact from anyone who might be in the know, or a bloke down the pub, whether or not such an alleged conversation with person or persons or bloke down the pub known to the poster, real or imagined, whether or not such alleged fact was later discovered to be a fact or not except insofar as such an alleged or real fact was already in the public domain at the time the said statement of claimed fact was made.
He certainly used the phrase but as I recall it was in relation to previous (unnamed) people who had tried to get involved, not the present negotiations.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
He certainly used the phrase but as I recall it was in relation to previous (unnamed) people who had tried to get involved, not the present negotiations.
He did use the phrase and then said something along the lines of “I’m not saying that about Tom”...as I recall.
Would you want John Fenty negotiating anything on your behalf?
He's broadly employed people who led this club into its darkest times and then failed to look after or build upon anyone who has remotely come close to bucking that trend. He's shown poor judgment in both the short term and long term.
It puts him in an unenviable position; a position he's put himself in. Damned if he does (sell), damned if he doesn't. I don't really have any sympathy for him.
I just wish he'd stop demanding his money back. Collectively we've all put more money into this club than Fenty has. Imagine if we all started demanding it back.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
The thing is that Big Dave’ bought it coz the bloke who owned it got into trouble with HP payments and it might have been scrapped. Since then he’s run it at minimal maintenance costs and shelled out quite a few quid on sh1t mechanics that he thought could improve it but didn’t. It was even off the road for a few years. It’s improved slightly but is still a bit of a ‘shed’. However, Dave not only wants the ‘book’ price, but all the money he wasted on it as well. So unless you have a few quid and love this particular car it could be a bit of a problem. 😉.
Are you saying Big Dave might be a bit dodgy? Or Were some of the mechanics he employed just utterly shite?
Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
How many miles on the clock and is it that metallic pinky colour Ford were doing back in the day? Getting quite rare them.
Got a mate who always dreamt of having one of them. It’s to his endless misery that he never did drive a ghia.
Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
Haven't you realised by now that The Fishy has to be informed of every decision made by the club and be privy to every discussion where the club is involved!
He did use the phrase and then said something along the lines of “I’m not saying that about Tom”...as I recall.
Thanks for the clarification Rob and OC. It’s rare to get straight answers on this subject.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Got a mate who always dreamt of having one of them. It’s to his endless misery that he never did drive a ghia.
My mate had the same era escort Ghia , C reg i think , velour seats, electric mirrors...was ace until it rained and the body work pretty much evaporated overnight
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To help us moderate this discussion please try to post "inside information" about the talks. ,
Really ????
Should be very easy to moderate with just yourself, Swin, GYFR and Sonic posting.
Still, at least it will keep JF happy 😕.
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The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
So is there a difference between "inside information " and " outside information ", for example if Mr Fenty tells me something as we are having a game of snooker is that " inside information " whereas if he tells me something whilst I'm cleaning his car( a Bentley I believe) is that " outside information " just asking for clarification?
Can we have this thread pinned so whenever rancido or the other apologists ask “why would anyone possibly want a new owner” we can link directly to here?
Trawling through message boards late at night to see what people might, or might not, be saying about you. Seek help.
Can we have this thread pinned so whenever rancido or the other apologists ask “why would anyone possibly want a new owner” we can link directly to here?
Trawling through message boards late at night to see what people might, or might not, be saying about you. Seek help.
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
The word 'hatred ' is a vast overstatement. ' Disliked ' no doubt.
But trust me if you and Johns gang think these messages signify hatred you really are weak. If you want to see hatred try some of the message boards of Newcastle, Wrexham 10 years ago, Sunderland, Leeds, and many other clubs with fans far less tolerant than ours. Some of the abuse JF gets is unwarranted (as I have posted previously). But I’m guessing this ‘hatred’ is about as real as the vile and threatening behaviour from the bullies that forced people to boycott the checkatwat trophy.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
Who is this poor misunderstood man you talk about? Saint John of Humberston? John has brought a lot of it on himself through our playing record on the pitch under his tenure and by his own attritional actions against the fans and crass decisions . A charge sheet that is so long for which he still remains unapologetic, yet fans have remained remarkably loyal to their team under the circumstances. Typical of you to move the gateposts to label any criticism of JF as pure hatred. It would be just as easy and simplistic to say that JF has hatred for us fans. The fans love this club, they want better for it after 20 years of utter shite. They are desperate for a positive change and due to the original length of this thread, want to discuss it. They do not hate JF per se, but they hate what he's done to the club. It's his record, he's going to have to face up to it one day, not try and airbrush it away like a tinpot dictator through censorship. And as for Shutes reading this.. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to work out that fans' relationships are different with each owner because an individual owner will be their own man, operating their own way with different outputs, relationships and results. Just chuck in a fan smear as well why don't you to stir up a spurious reason for Shutes to not get involved..
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
I doubt if there is more than a handful who may hate JF. Most are just drunk off at the way this club has been run.
Even you who clearly loves JF cannot dispute that the last 16 years or so have likely been the worst since the war.
How many times do you need to be told Pen Penfras? Nobody hates JF. They respect his efforts but they have resulted in the worst period in the club’s history.
What purpose do you serve by suggesting that fan unrest will put off Mr Shutes who I’m sure is intelligent enough to realise that GTFC have some of the most loyal fans in the country?
Do you really expect the recent description of the fan base by Mr Dale to be forgotten so quickly?
I’m sorry if you’re offended by opinions that don’t tally with your own but the past 15 years have been a shitshow. Nothing less.
Can we have this thread pinned so whenever rancido or the other apologists ask “why would anyone possibly want a new owner” we can link directly to here?
Trawling through message boards late at night to see what people might, or might not, be saying about you. Seek help.
Why I've been singled out is strange but what is an " apologist "? If you care to read all my posts on the subject of JFs' tenure of the club then you will see, that on many occasions , I've stated he needs to go and we need fresh direction from the top. The points that I will endorse about JF is that when he took over he loaned the club a not unconsiderable amount of money to rectify a problem created by the previous administration. Nobody else on the Board at that time was willing to do this and nobody knows what state the club would have been if he hadn't stepped in. It's easy to quote other clubs that, because of financial incompetence, went into administration and came out of it ok. Every case is different and we could have easily become a Chester or Darlington as opposed to a Bournemouth or Rotherham. The other point about JFs' tenure is him wanting his benign loans back , which I think isn't unreasonable but is of course directly the opposite view of some posters. It is also worth pointing out that a previous director had loaned the club money and when he left the club he immediately wanted his loan back regardless of what damage it would do to the club. Sadly we hear very little of this and some posters conveniently sweep this under the carpet even though JFs' loans were in part to cover that. It seems that because I don't constantly berate JF and treat him like " the anti Christ" then I must support him, which is untrue. But I fail to see how these constant attacks on him are in any way constructive. I'm a Mariner , like I would imagine all the posters on here are, and all I want is what is best for the club. In that context I think we should look forward to a new future under a new regime and not keep constantly muck raking the past like it is some form of catharsis or blood letting exercise.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
I think Rob was right to archive some of the posts. Looking in on it every day or so you see the same arguments, day after day, after day - just worded slightly differently. In short, it has probably become the most mind numbingly and banal thread I can ever remember on here. So why do I keep checking it every day? In the vain hope that I might just see the answer that I want to see. It's compelling in that way, but not for anything else.
What does Shutes make of it all? Probably not much. I suppose he might have had a look in first time of asking to see what was what and has given it zero thought time since, exactly the same as JF. A public forum is not a policy think tank that the likes of Shute and Fenty take any notice of, but it does keep fans thought fermenting. I live in hope that I will eventually see what I would like out of whatever is going on behind the scenes, but am not going to lose any sleep over it. UTM.
No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. So far as I'm concerned they're lower than vermin. Aneurin Bevan.
So all that's going to happen Jock is you'll start the same process but you'll be looking at a page with a lower number.
Absolutely meaningless move by Rob to chop this thread up. Why not have done with it and have Fenty approve all posts before they appear on the site.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Maybe Shutes has better things to do than spend his time scrolling through posts on the Fishy. You'd have to be quite an insecure type of football club owner to do that.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Why I've been singled out is strange but what is an " apologist "? If you care to read all my posts on the subject of JFs' tenure of the club then you will see, that on many occasions , I've stated he needs to go and we need fresh direction from the top. The points that I will endorse about JF is that when he took over he loaned the club a not unconsiderable amount of money to rectify a problem created by the previous administration. Nobody else on the Board at that time was willing to do this and nobody knows what state the club would have been if he hadn't stepped in. It's easy to quote other clubs that, because of financial incompetence, went into administration and came out of it ok. Every case is different and we could have easily become a Chester or Darlington as opposed to a Bournemouth or Rotherham. The other point about JFs' tenure is him wanting his benign loans back , which I think isn't unreasonable but is of course directly the opposite view of some posters. It is also worth pointing out that a previous director had loaned the club money and when he left the club he immediately wanted his loan back regardless of what damage it would do to the club. Sadly we hear very little of this and some posters conveniently sweep this under the carpet even though JFs' loans were in part to cover that. It seems that because I don't constantly berate JF and treat him like " the anti Christ" then I must support him, which is untrue. But I fail to see how these constant attacks on him are in any way constructive. I'm a Mariner , like I would imagine all the posters on here are, and all I want is what is best for the club. In that context I think we should look forward to a new future under a new regime and not keep constantly muck raking the past like it is some form of catharsis or blood letting exercise.
So let's say Fenty gets every single penny back that he's ever loaned the club and sold all his shares. That would mean it will have cost him literally nothing to have the privilege of running this club for over 15 years. Which I would argue is fair enough if he'd made a decent stab at it but it's been probably the worst period in the club's history.
We dropped in to non-league for 6 years. We have managed a top half finish in the FL once in that time. We have had countless embarrassing episodes from the people running the club. The infrastructure of the club has been left behind due to the facilities being allowed to rot and having nothing spent on them. The fanbase has been consistently put down and let down. And just by allowing the club to drop in to non-league, it would have cost the club a significant amount of money.
If Fenty had any decency or humility he would accept that whilst he's tried his best, he has done a very poor job of running the club. He doesn't though, I can't remember the exact quote but even within the last six months he basically said he thinks he's done a pretty good job which is just mind blowing. The man is hubris personified. The club is not worth very much because of his mismanagement but there is a reason we were favourites for the drop at the start of the season. The cost of repaying 100% of his loans plus buying shares means you'd have to spend around £3million just to acquire the club which is clearly going to be prohibitive when the club frankly doesn't have much going for it. You'd have to have exceptionally deep pockets and a real sense of altruism to spend that sort of money just to acquire a club that has struggled in non-league or the lower reaches of L2 for more than a decade.
He should sell his shares, get some of the loans back but generally when someone has run a business poorly it costs them something. If you buy a car and let it rot by using dodgy parts and employing dodgy mechanics, you can't expect to get back what you bought it for. He should put his ego to the side, accept that he is incapable of taking the club forward and then he could go with some respect and thanks from the fanbase for at least putting himself out there when the club needed someone to step up despite ultimately failing.
Who is this poor misunderstood man you talk about? Saint John of Humberston? John has brought a lot of it on himself through our playing record on the pitch under his tenure and by his own attritional actions against the fans and crass decisions . A charge sheet that is so long for which he still remains unapologetic, yet fans have remained remarkably loyal to their team under the circumstances. Typical of you to move the gateposts to label any criticism of JF as pure hatred. It would be just as easy and simplistic to say that JF has hatred for us fans. The fans love this club, they want better for it after 20 years of utter shite. They are desperate for a positive change and due to the original length of this thread, want to discuss it. They do not hate JF per se, but they hate what he's done to the club. It's his record, he's going to have to face up to it one day, not try and airbrush it away like a tinpot dictator through censorship. And as for Shutes reading this.. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to work out that fans' relationships are different with each owner because an individual owner will be their own man, operating their own way with different outputs, relationships and results. Just chuck in a fan smear as well why don't you to stir up a spurious reason for Shutes to not get involved..
The fans forum showed what the board and friends thought of the fanbase describing it TOXIC and the reason nobody had come in previously caused PH to leave and bullied fellow supporters in relation to the checkatwat. Nick Dale`s comments the other week reinforced that view of what the inner sanctum think. That`s why we need them gone whatever the cost FENTY OUT
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
The post above should be removed, Pens run dry has no proof what some posters have said is lies, also don't see that wanting someone out of the club who has been a lead weight around the clubs neck as hatred.
Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
Fenty doesn't deserve another penny of his "benign" loan back. The debt was his choice and was directly to do with the incompetent way the club was run. The debt was incurred under his watch and with him having a virtual dictatorship over the club as Chairman & majority shareholder.
Between May 2006 & May 2010 the club's net debt rose from £1,043,362 to an eye watering £2,888,077 in just 4 years. A rise of £1,844,715. Fenty is responsible for that. He ran the football club in such a reckless way. He appointed 4 shite managers after Slade, he allowed panic signings at huge cost & he paid off players and managers contracts.
The fact that Fenty takes £200,000 for the club each year is a disgrace. We're still paying the price for those terrible years. How far would another £4,000 a week added to our budget go?
Fenty doesn't deserve another penny of his "benign" loan back. The debt was his choice and was directly to do with the incompetent way the club was run. The debt was incurred under his watch and with him having a virtual dictatorship over the club as Chairman & majority shareholder.
Between May 2006 & May 2010 the club's net debt rose from £1,043,362 to an eye watering £2,888,077 in just 4 years. A rise of £1,844,715. Fenty is responsible for that. He ran the football club in such a reckless way. He appointed 4 shite managers after Slade, he allowed panic signings at huge cost & he paid off players and managers contracts.
The fact that Fenty takes £200,000 for the club each year is a disgrace. We're still paying the price for those terrible years. How far would another £4,000 a week added to our budget go?
And then after that, in his own words.. from 2010 to 2016, the club lost out on more tham 3m by dropping into non-league, and probably even more ruinous, a new generation of football fans and players alike who just look on us as a struggling EFL club that could be non-league at the end of any given season. This untold cost has probably hurt us even more when it comes to player and manager recruitment as well as local kids growing up and supporting someone else..
It's shameful and more so because through his own ignorant frustrations he's been so belligerent and disrespectful with just about every key stakeholder the club has, especially its primary source of income, the fans..
It's time to draw a line as soon as possible and have a fresh start. I wish I could keep my trap shut and be more patient and tolerant like some, but I can't, I haven't got it in me, I've just had enough of a Fenty run GTFC..
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
wow, what a pile of steaming self-pitying garbage, absolute fantasy land stuff.
That thread was about 6-weeks worth of discussion about what a takeover could/would look like, the stadium, the wider regeneration of the town, who Tom Shutes is, what he does, where his money comes from, if he has any money, what his intentions are, what the club could achieve, the council, the East Marsh, communities, ABP, The Trust, Freeman Street, the EFL, windfarms, the Ice House and many other things. Frankly, Fenty was a bit of an afterthought and even got plenty of praise and “thankyous” from fans for what he has done, all until the last week or so. To reduce all that down to it being a Fenty-bashing thread is wrong, for a start, insulting to the fans and quite perfectly encapsulates the problem here - one man’s ego.
Not everything is about John Shelton Fenty, believe it or not. Sometimes the world turns and not a single person outside his house gives a second thought to John Fenty, as crazy as that might sound to his gardener, or whoever you are.
It may not have been Fenty who complained to Rob, doesn’t make any difference. This is a space for fans, where people should feel comfortable discussing their views on what is effectively an expensive, time-consuming hobby. The constant surveillance, the feeling that Big Brother (literally at times, on here) has his eye on you and you might get invited in for a cosy chat in the boardroom is oppressive and smacks of someone either paranoid or obsessed with control. The fans are regularly criticised, without basis, by club officials on much larger platforms than this with absolutely no opportunity for a right of reply, and even here people can’t speak their mind for fear of who’s watching. It wouldn’t be as much an issue if figures at the club, or associated with, didn’t come on here to argue and wind fans up when it suits them, but coming on here to “set the record straight” isn’t engagement in any meaningful sense.
As for the “negative effect on the playing side” - don’t talk out your bottom. A slack handful of people on a forum moaning about a person that inspired widespread protests INSIDE THE GROUND in the last few years will have zero impact on the players, as you know. But it’s telling that you try pin blame on the fans yet again, for results going badly or a deal falling through. The fans have copped the blame for almost everything in recent years, yet those in the boardroom and sat in the club offices always come up smelling of roses. Sorry for getting us relegated to the conference, everyone. I’d also like to apologise for voting for the inclusion of Championship youth teams in a competition for League 1 & 2 teams, whatever was I thinking?
If Shutes was reading that, I imagine he’d take great comfort in knowing that there are a huge number of people who care passionately about wanting to see the club moving in the right direction and becoming a positive focal-point for a community that has been dumped on for decades. I imagine he’d also be reassured by the fact that people supporting this club have stuck by it through its darkest days, and still hold out hope for a better future. It was a 96-page “come and get me” plea to anyone interested in working with the fans to drag this club into the future and give us something to be proud of again, and a warning that the fans aren’t mugs and won’t accept the same treatment we’ve had for the last decade.
It is a shame, 96 pages gone. I like many others had a vision of Shutes coming in backed by money,not only building a stadium to be proud of, but also having a hand in a regeneration of a town that's badly in need of it. . It may still happen but longer it goes on the more i fear it won't happen.
I haven't been on here very much lately but I cannot see the 96 page thread. Has it been deleted?
In summary a brief glimmer of hope surfaced that Fentys reign of terror was coming to an end via Shutes and Co just prior to the Season starting .Nothing much happened and hundreds of people hoping for change shrugged there shoulders and carried on supporting the team. A few specualted as to why said change hasn`t happened GrimRob intimated they should sort of shutup and the rest you`ve read.
What a joke. Free speech is dead and we live under a tyrannical dictatorship that's views us measly peasants with disdain. And now one of the knights of Fenty's round table is basically blaming us for everything from Hursts departure (Nothing to do with the grand sum of investment in infrastructure to make us being competitive in the Football League being a new porta cabin and promises of extra coaches broken) to any proposed takeover faltering.
Absolutely nothing to do with Fenty wanting his millions back of course.
Fenty done a great job under his watch he states in the press, anyone out of the thousands of other onlookers who believes anything different about the last twenty years is clearly just a toxic cretin who needs to SHUT UP!!
What a joke. Free speech is dead and we live under a tyrannical dictatorship that's views us measly peasants with disdain. And now one of the knights of Fenty's round table is basically blaming us for everything from Hursts departure (Nothing to do with the grand sum of investment in infrastructure to make us being competitive in the Football League being a new porta cabin and promises of extra coaches broken) to any proposed takeover faltering.
Absolutely nothing to do with Fenty wanting his millions back of course.
Fenty done a great job under his watch he states in the press, anyone out of the thousands of other onlookers who believes anything different about the last twenty years is clearly just a toxic cretin who needs to SHUT UP!!
Do you want to be invited into the boardroom with pages and pages of your comments printed off, because that's what will happen
Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
wow, what a pile of steaming self-pitying garbage, absolute fantasy land stuff.
That thread was about 6-weeks worth of discussion about what a takeover could/would look like, the stadium, the wider regeneration of the town, who Tom Shutes is, what he does, where his money comes from, if he has any money, what his intentions are, what the club could achieve, the council, the East Marsh, communities, ABP, The Trust, Freeman Street, the EFL, windfarms, the Ice House and many other things.
Team Fenty can say what they like basically. The proof of what people really said has been hidden away now, so it's basically write your own narrative.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I already did get an invite the other year when I finally had had enough and vented spleen lol. Funny thing is I vehemently defended him for years and always try to be positive and optimistic as much as possible. Long since reached breaking point with the current regime though, even totally blanking out reading about things for a period around the time of the Woodhouse saga as was so sick of getting wound up by debacle after debacle.
And then after that, in his own words.. from 2010 to 2016, the club lost out on more tham 3m by dropping into non-league, and probably even more ruinous, a new generation of football fans and players alike who just look on us as a struggling EFL club that could be non-league at the end of any given season. This untold cost has probably hurt us even more when it comes to player and manager recruitment as well as local kids growing up and supporting someone else..
It's shameful and more so because through his own ignorant frustrations he's been so belligerent and disrespectful with just about every key stakeholder the club has, especially its primary source of income, the fans..
It's time to draw a line as soon as possible and have a fresh start. I wish I could keep my trap shut and be more patient and tolerant like some, but I can't, I haven't got it in me, I've just had enough of a Fenty run GTFC..
Exactly. I didn't even touch on lost revenue from our relegation or untapped revenue from the club's out of date practices. I think the difference between L2 & NL is circa £1m, but there's a one off parachute payment of £500k. So, there's £5.5m that Fenty's reckless running of the club has cost us.
I did not offer either it was fenty who said I did all I did was ask him a few questions and it snowballed from there.
If I recall correctly he gave you his phone number then when you rang him to ask a few questions he told you off and not to ring him. Is my memory correct?
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I'm sure if there was a post with 96 pages of people largely making negative comments about you, spouting all kinds of theories with absolutely no basis other than their hatred and accusing you of things are completely untrue, that you'd be ok with it and happy to let the lies get repeated so that they are then viewed as a fact and the hatred towards JF gets even stronger. Not to mention the detrimental effect the negativity will take across to the playing side. And if Shutes is reading all this, it probably makes him think twice about wanting to get involved if somebody who tries to do their best albeit, not being all that successful gets treated that way.
Fenty has set the tone for everything at the club, and only his closest sycophants could make a case for him making a success of it.
His decisions affect thousands of fans so obviously if most of those decisions have hindered the club and prevented it from flourishing, there is a price to pay. Had it gone well, he would have accepted the plaudits without a doubt.
His decision to take control was welcomed at the time, and no doubt he received countless thanks but that was the thick end of 20 years ago.
I do agree about the knock on effect of the negativity, but that is one of the main reasons some/most/all supporters want to see a change. We would rather be talking about the team and how it plays, and leave the boardroom stuff to one side but that is impossible until he goes.
The new owners would, as a first step, galvanise the support base with new ideas, new investment and hope of a better future something the current board seem incapable of.
Fenty has set the tone for everything at the club, and only his closest sycophants could make a case for him making a success of it.
His decisions affect thousands of fans so obviously if most of those decisions have hindered the club and prevented it from flourishing, there is a price to pay. Had it gone well, he would have accepted the plaudits without a doubt.
His decision to take control was welcomed at the time, and no doubt he received countless thanks but that was the thick end of 20 years ago.
I do agree about the knock on effect of the negativity, but that is one of the main reasons some/most/all supporters want to see a change. We would rather be talking about the team and how it plays, and leave the boardroom stuff to one side but that is impossible until he goes.
The new owners would, as a first step, galvanise the support base with new ideas, new investment and hope of a better future something the current board seem incapable of.
Like being carried shoulder-high around the pitch at Bournemouth when we had just survived?
If I recall correctly he gave you his phone number then when you rang him to ask a few questions he told you off and not to ring him. Is my memory correct?
Sounds about right, and when Pete asked him a few challenging questions that didn't conform to the party line, Fenty blocked him.
Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
Like being carried shoulder-high around the pitch at Bournemouth when we had just survived?
Oh don't - that remains my funniest moment in football. Survived the drop into non league due to another club having points deducted and goes on the pitch to accept the plaudits of the plebs, sorry fans. Anybody else would have kept their head down, and got to work straight away to make sure things were different the season after.
Things were different in a way - we got relegated anyway!
Sounds about right, and when Pete asked him a few challenging questions that didn't conform to the party line, Fenty blocked him.
Seems they don't like facts after all! They're out red-crossing.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
If I recall correctly he gave you his phone number then when you rang him to ask a few questions he told you off and not to ring him. Is my memory correct?
Sort of KM he did give me his number by PM and sent me a further 2 PM's insisting I call him.
He spent 20 mins telling me what he had done to save town from going into Liquidation as we had a tax bill of over £800,000 and Ramsden who was voted off the board wanted his money back . With a couple of other debts he put £2 million of his own money in. I did not get much chance of getting a word in but he did say I could call him anytime.
I decided the best way of getting my questions across was by PM which I did. He was not impressed with my questions and said do not call me again, So ended our beautiful friendship. What he meant that I wanted to go 10 rounds with him baffled me.
Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Sort of KM he did give me his number by PM and sent me a further 2 PM's insisting I call him.
He spent 20 mins telling me what he had done to save town from going into Liquidation as we had a tax bill of over £800,000 and Ramsden who was voted off the board wanted his money back . With a couple of other debts he put £2 million of his own money in. I did not get much chance of getting a word in but he did say I could call him anytime.
I decided the best way of getting my questions across was by PM which I did. He was not impressed with my questions and said do not call me again, So ended our beautiful friendship. What he meant that I wanted to go 10 rounds with him baffled me.
Getting into private messages with a supporter on a fans forum 🙈
Sort of KM he did give me his number by PM and sent me a further 2 PM's insisting I call him.
He spent 20 mins telling me what he had done to save town from going into Liquidation as we had a tax bill of over £800,000 and Ramsden who was voted off the board wanted his money back . With a couple of other debts he put £2 million of his own money in. I did not get much chance of getting a word in but he did say I could call him anytime.
I decided the best way of getting my questions across was by PM which I did. He was not impressed with my questions and said do not call me again, So ended our beautiful friendship. What he meant that I wanted to go 10 rounds with him baffled me.
Must have been in his Boxing Metaphor Period, because he also offered to go tot-to-toe with anyone ahead of the Infamous Fans' Forum
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Sort of KM he did give me his number by PM and sent me a further 2 PM's insisting I call him.
He spent 20 mins telling me what he had done to save town from going into Liquidation as we had a tax bill of over £800,000 and Ramsden who was voted off the board wanted his money back . With a couple of other debts he put £2 million of his own money in. I did not get much chance of getting a word in but he did say I could call him anytime.
I decided the best way of getting my questions across was by PM which I did. He was not impressed with my questions and said do not call me again, So ended our beautiful friendship. What he meant that I wanted to go 10 rounds with him baffled me.
Obviously we wouldn't have been liquidated. We might have ended up in administration, but clearly that's a very different proposition. Especially as points deductions weren't introduced until season 2004/05 in response to the Leicester City farce. When Fenty took over there were no sporting sanctions for "insolvency events". We should have gone into adminstration the day after ITV digital folded. When is a CVA ever rejected. Even Bury FC have one agreed with their creditors.
Fenty made a huge mistake in 2002. He loaned GTFC £650,000 through his business to repay Dudley Ramsden and co. In an instance he became the biggest potential financial loser if GTFC went into administration and the only sensible way out was to continue to loan more money to protect the money he had already loaned the club.
I think we're the only club still in a mess because of ITV digital. Well, not because of ITV digital. Because how our owner reacted to ITV digital failing.
Obviously we wouldn't have been liquidated. We might have ended up in administration, but clearly that's a very different proposition. Especially as points deductions weren't introduced until season 2004/05 in response to the Leicester City farce. When Fenty took over there were no sporting sanctions for "insolvency events". We should have gone into adminstration the day after ITV digital folded. When is a CVA ever rejected. Even Bury FC have one agreed with their creditors.
Fenty made a huge mistake in 2002. He loaned GTFC £650,000 through his business to repay Dudley Ramsden and co. In an instance he became the biggest potential financial loser if GTFC went into administration and the only sensible way out was to continue to loan more money to protect the money he had already loaned the club.
I think we're the only club still in a mess because of ITV digital. Well, not because of ITV digital. Because how our owner reacted to ITV digital failing.
I suppose that first mistake was understandable for someone who loves the club.
It's the rest of the way he conducted things that is the issue.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
I don’t think you can saving us from admin was a huge mistake. Admin isn’t a silver bullet and it means a lot of people you owe money to don’t get paid. I’m glad we’ve never gone down that route.
I don’t think you can saving us from admin was a huge mistake. Admin isn’t a silver bullet and it means a lot of people you owe money to don’t get paid. I’m glad we’ve never gone down that route.
How many penny's in the £1 did GTFC get from ITV digital when they went out of business. Zero. I appreciate it's not nice, but the club was clearly insolvent after ITV digital.
We've not gone down that route. But there are countless clubs who have gone down that route since ITV digital and have gone on to have great success. I can think of 1 club who went on to win the Premier League & another club who were in admin 3 times in less than 15 years and are now as established Premier League club.
There were 10 EFL clubs who went into administration between ITV digital collapsing in May 2002 & the end of 2003. They all survived. They all still exist.
There is the knock on effect of administration on the many local businesses a football club uses.
Yes, we may be at the bottom end of the league but we got into debt, owed people money and did the decent, honorable thing by paying the money back.
What I will say though is that with better management at the top, I believe we could have paid our debt back and been on a better footing a long time ago.
There is the knock on effect of administration on the many local businesses a football club uses.
Yes, we may be at the bottom end of the league but we got into debt, owed people money and did the decent, honorable thing by paying the money back.
What I will say though is that with better management at the top, I believe we could have paid our debt back and been on a better footing a long time ago.
Or alternatively, the knock on effect of years of poor results could be even worse? Hindsight is a wonderful thing that none of us are born with and we all make mistakes- what sets some apart is to admit they have got things wrong rather than arrogantly berating anyone who disagrees.
If the takeover does eventually go ahead will John hand back 200k worth of shares to the Trust?
The line trotted out at the time was that he needed them so that control remained in the boardroom, and seeing as he will no longer be part of the board (please!), he will obviously not need them for this purpose.
Notwithstanding of course that he didn’t actually pay for them.
I don’t think you can saving us from admin was a huge mistake. Admin isn’t a silver bullet and it means a lot of people you owe money to don’t get paid. I’m glad we’ve never gone down that route.
I'm with you 100% Clubs like ours are nothing if they're not a part of the community in which they operate and admin would have hit other local businesses hardest. I want JF gone for aomebody progressive and optimistic but I don't for a minute agree it would have been better if we'd just gone into admin and copulated off a load of creditors.
If the takeover does eventually go ahead will John hand back 200k worth of shares to the Trust?
The line trotted out at the time was that he needed them so that control remained in the boardroom, and seeing as he will no longer be part of the board (please!), he will obviously not need them for this purpose.
Notwithstanding of course that he didn’t actually pay for them.
And it doesn't matter a fig if he's in the board room or not because by dint of his loans he controls the club anyway.
He didn't pay for those £250,000(?) worth of shares. But more the fool the Trust and the membership for voting to give him them. It could be paraphrased as 'if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to take my bat and ball home'. The fools gave in to him. My mother should have spoken to them before they made that decision. She knew how to manage naughty children.
He effectively begged for control of the club. He didn't have to. He did it to protect his loans (fair enough you might say). He did things his way. He called the shots. He didn't want to share his toys. He managed to lose two previous investors in the club, at a time when we needed the money the most. He fell out with the ambulance brigade. Under his watch relations with the police are at their lowest ebb. We get fined by the football authorities for 'tapping up' another club's managers. We get fined by the FA for lack of control over public safety in the stadium. He makes decisions on the club's behalf on motions tabled at meetings abroad, and doesn't think he should consult his fellow board members, consequently losing the club thousands in lost gate receipts each game. He thinks people poorer than him are not as important (he does have a car that cost £80,000 which someone scratched, not something that cost only £1800 which obviously wouldn't matter as much if it got scratched). He connived in the hijacking of a local journalist at a public meeting that said journalist had agreed to chair. He suggested that those people who worked for the radio doing all the technical stuff that enabled the meeting to be broadcast, could stick around doing it for a bit of unpaid overtime if he bought them a drink. He says a manager resigned because of the fans, when the manager concerned says it was because he wasn't given what he was promised. He invites people to call him but then tells them not to speak to him when they ask questions he doesn't like. He contacts the operator of a message board to pull posts he doesn't like.
It's amazing why no one gives him any slack eh. It's all someone else's fault of course.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
And it doesn't matter a fig if he's in the board room or not because by dint of his loans he controls the club anyway.
He didn't pay for those £250,000(?) worth of shares. But more the fool the Trust and the membership for voting to give him them. It could be paraphrased as 'if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to take my bat and ball home'. The fools gave in to him. My mother should have spoken to them before they made that decision. She knew how to manage naughty children.
He effectively begged for control of the club. He didn't have to. He did it to protect his loans (fair enough you might say). He did things his way. He called the shots. He didn't want to share his toys. He managed to lose two previous investors in the club, at a time when we needed the money the most. He fell out with the ambulance brigade. Under his watch relations with the police are at their lowest ebb. We get fined by the football authorities for 'tapping up' another club's managers. We get fined by the FA for lack of control over public safety in the stadium. He makes decisions on the club's behalf on motions tabled at meetings abroad, and doesn't think he should consult his fellow board members, consequently losing the club thousands in lost gate receipts each game. He thinks people poorer than him are not as important (he does have a car that cost £80,000 which someone scratched, not something that cost only £1800 which obviously wouldn't matter as much if it got scratched). He connived in the hijacking of a local journalist at a public meeting that said journalist had agreed to chair. He suggested that those people who worked for the radio doing all the technical stuff that enabled the meeting to be broadcast, could stick around doing it for a bit of unpaid overtime if he bought them a drink. He says a manager resigned because of the fans, when the manager concerned says it was because he wasn't given what he was promised. He invites people to call him but then tells them not to speak to him when they ask questions he doesn't like. He contacts the operator of a message board to pull posts he doesn't like.
It's amazing why no one gives him any slack eh. It's all someone else's fault of course.
There is so much stuff that has gone on you could literally write a book. Your excellent post has just scratched the surface. Let us hope for new owners soon.
And it doesn't matter a fig if he's in the board room or not because by dint of his loans he controls the club anyway.
He didn't pay for those £250,000(?) worth of shares. But more the fool the Trust and the membership for voting to give him them. It could be paraphrased as 'if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to take my bat and ball home'. The fools gave in to him. My mother should have spoken to them before they made that decision. She knew how to manage naughty children.
He effectively begged for control of the club. He didn't have to. He did it to protect his loans (fair enough you might say). He did things his way. He called the shots. He didn't want to share his toys. He managed to lose two previous investors in the club, at a time when we needed the money the most. He fell out with the ambulance brigade. Under his watch relations with the police are at their lowest ebb. We get fined by the football authorities for 'tapping up' another club's managers. We get fined by the FA for lack of control over public safety in the stadium. He makes decisions on the club's behalf on motions tabled at meetings abroad, and doesn't think he should consult his fellow board members, consequently losing the club thousands in lost gate receipts each game. He thinks people poorer than him are not as important (he does have a car that cost £80,000 which someone scratched, not something that cost only £1800 which obviously wouldn't matter as much if it got scratched). He connived in the hijacking of a local journalist at a public meeting that said journalist had agreed to chair. He suggested that those people who worked for the radio doing all the technical stuff that enabled the meeting to be broadcast, could stick around doing it for a bit of unpaid overtime if he bought them a drink. He says a manager resigned because of the fans, when the manager concerned says it was because he wasn't given what he was promised. He invites people to call him but then tells them not to speak to him when they ask questions he doesn't like. He contacts the operator of a message board to pull posts he doesn't like.
It's amazing why no one gives him any slack eh. It's all someone else's fault of course.
And it doesn't matter a fig if he's in the board room or not because by dint of his loans he controls the club anyway.
He didn't pay for those £250,000(?) worth of shares. But more the fool the Trust and the membership for voting to give him them. It could be paraphrased as 'if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to take my bat and ball home'. The fools gave in to him. My mother should have spoken to them before they made that decision. She knew how to manage naughty children.
He effectively begged for control of the club. He didn't have to. He did it to protect his loans (fair enough you might say). He did things his way. He called the shots. He didn't want to share his toys. He managed to lose two previous investors in the club, at a time when we needed the money the most. He fell out with the ambulance brigade. Under his watch relations with the police are at their lowest ebb. We get fined by the football authorities for 'tapping up' another club's managers. We get fined by the FA for lack of control over public safety in the stadium. He makes decisions on the club's behalf on motions tabled at meetings abroad, and doesn't think he should consult his fellow board members, consequently losing the club thousands in lost gate receipts each game. He thinks people poorer than him are not as important (he does have a car that cost £80,000 which someone scratched, not something that cost only £1800 which obviously wouldn't matter as much if it got scratched). He connived in the hijacking of a local journalist at a public meeting that said journalist had agreed to chair. He suggested that those people who worked for the radio doing all the technical stuff that enabled the meeting to be broadcast, could stick around doing it for a bit of unpaid overtime if he bought them a drink. He says a manager resigned because of the fans, when the manager concerned says it was because he wasn't given what he was promised. He invites people to call him but then tells them not to speak to him when they ask questions he doesn't like. He contacts the operator of a message board to pull posts he doesn't like.
It's amazing why no one gives him any slack eh. It's all someone else's fault of course.
Post of the week. Nail. Head. Though just the tip of the iceberg!
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I appreciate you're in a difficult "piggy-in-the-middle" position, Rob - and the legal framework you have to operate in offers you less room than you'd like.
This is a Catch-22 situation: I cannot post facts on the Fishy unless they are already in the public domain. But the Fishy is where I would want to post a fact (i.e. something which is provably true) about GTFC in order to put it in the public domain. It's a Grimsby Town fans forum, after all...
Effectively you're binding the Fishy faithful to the (presumed) confidentiality agreement that exists in the present circumstances...but we're not signatories to it! And there's no reason for Joe Public to have any respect for such agreements - they exist specifically to keep us in the dark!
For balance: if a person who's never lied to you tells you something - this is not a fact. It is something you can reasonably have 100% confidence in...but it is NOT a fact - unless you can verify it independently (which will generally be impossible in GTFC/football matters).
If I could make a contribution to the debate from a historical perspective.
When the shares gift to the Trust was made it meant that JF didn't hold the majority of the shares. This meant in theory at least that the person with the ability to finance a club that was in non-league and in choppy waters financially could be out voted on any issue which presented itself.
You may or may not agree with the stance but JF decided at the time that he didn't want to commit further money to the club in the situation where he couldn't have a deciding say in what that money was used for.
The aim of argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.
I don’t think you can saving us from admin was a huge mistake. Admin isn’t a silver bullet and it means a lot of people you owe money to don’t get paid. I’m glad we’ve never gone down that route.
But our debt was mainly with the taxman and a bank loan if I recollect correctly? I do not think we were owing hundreds of thousands to small local businesses.
Not that I am saying we should just have gone down the admin route, at the time it was not foreseen that it could actually be a huge advantage (Leicester, Rotherham, Bournemouth etc.).
Makes you wonder that if Fenty could do it all again (with the advantage of hindsight) if he would have let us enter admin (for the previous regimes not so thrifty spending) and therefore would not have had to loan the club his own personnel wealth.
If I could make a contribution to the debate from a historical perspective.
When the shares gift to the Trust was made it meant that JF didn't hold the majority of the shares. This meant in theory at least that the person with the ability to finance a club that was in non-league and in choppy waters financially could be out voted on any issue which presented itself.
You may or may not agree with the stance but JF decided at the time that he didn't want to commit further money to the club in the situation where he couldn't have a deciding say in what that money was used for.
Hilariously he hasn’t actually committed further money to the club since then has he? Over the last 8 years his net input has been negative.
Then you have to consider the way he did. If I remember correctly he basically threatened the club and said if he didn’t get them then we’d be forced to sell Hearn, our best player. Not remotely dictatorial there. Not to mention the fact that the whole situation had been manufactured by his slyness. He no longer had a majority because Mike Parker had bought £250K worth of shares to increase the club’s budget with the understanding it would be matched by Fenty. But Fenty promptly loaned the club that money meaning Parker was suddenly the majority shareholder and was now in a position where he’d have to either lose some shares or potentially buy out a lot of the rest as he had over 50%.
Parker promptly dumped some of his shares as he didn’t want this to happen and wanted nothing else to do with the club. So Fenty’s Machiavellian, underhand scheming removed the only other person in two decades who had the means and inclination to help fund the club. THEN promptly acquired a lot of those shares for nothing by threatening to effectively pull the plug if he didn’t get his own way. But yeah apart from that and all the things KingstonMariner mentioned in his excellent post, he’s done pretty well hasn’t he?
If I could make a contribution to the debate from a historical perspective.
When the shares gift to the Trust was made it meant that JF didn't hold the majority of the shares. This meant in theory at least that the person with the ability to finance a club that was in non-league and in choppy waters financially could be out voted on any issue which presented itself.
You may or may not agree with the stance but JF decided at the time that he didn't want to commit further money to the club in the situation where he couldn't have a deciding say in what that money was used for.
Directors loans in 2011 stood at 2.23 million and in May 2018 stood at 1.8 million.
As a matter of interest what do we actually want J.S.F. to do. I don't know because I don't know all the facts. I do know most of the things he has done wrong or done right but what do we want him to do . He wants out-do we want him to just walk without finding somebody else to invest. O.K. he could write off his loans but is there anybody on the horizon to invest the millions we would need ?
It's like saying 'besides that Mrs Lincoln ,did you enjoy the play?'
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
If I could make a contribution to the debate from a historical perspective.
When the shares gift to the Trust was made it meant that JF didn't hold the majority of the shares. This meant in theory at least that the person with the ability to finance a club that was in non-league and in choppy waters financially could be out voted on any issue which presented itself.
You may or may not agree with the stance but JF decided at the time that he didn't want to commit further money to the club in the situation where he couldn't have a deciding say in what that money was used for.
He saw the Trust coming. They should have called his bluff. They seemed to have tunnel vision that JF was the only person in the whole wide world allowed to be in charge.
The thing is the club is unlikely to be worth what was put in almost 2 decades ago because the product has been devalued to such an extent (basically an established championship side freshly in league one to an esestablished bottom half league 2/top half conference team).
To progress we require those in charge to accept that those monies have been lost, or at very least the opportunity to recoup those monies largely lost through their own decision making. Unfortunately I do not see that happening any time soon and therefore we are stuck in this endless limbo without even the remotest prospect of progression.
It's a bit like a sprinter with tunnel vision. Stats don't matter, history don't matter, economics don't matter, just the concept of basic financial prudence is applied and we are expected to discount all other factors when we evaluate how successfully we are run.
Write off his 'loans' and accept he put his hard-earned into the Club he supports like all us supporters do with several thousand pounds and more over the years instead over holding a millstone round the Clubs neck and potentially putting off investors who would love to take the Club forward with a positive vision but are most likely put off by the requirement to stick a million or 2 or 3 in Fenty's back pocket.
You know like real supporter Chairmen do like Accrington Stanley's and others - they accept likely not going to make money back with a lower league club and GIFT it out of a labour of love.
I know I'd happily chuck 2 million out of my 19 million to save GTFC but people say it's easy to spend other people's money. I genuinely would though, to see Town successful would bring me more happiness in life than wealth alone... And I'd still be pretty wealthy anyway!
Could have have had that 2 million back in interest by now presuming vast swathes of the rest not squandered or made money work for you elsewhere through property investment or whatever. Once you've got money, it's easy to make money.
But hey, stop spending other people's money Rik.
We could have had a new owner in Mike Parker if Fenty wanted out but he had to be all 'my precious' - so buyers are there. Or were.
If I was him I'd take a look in the mirror and say you know what, this Shutes guy has got a great vision for the Club and area, I'd like my money back but I'm clearly holding the Club back now, just imagine how fantastic things could be. I'm going to release the shackles and watch the Club blossom, oh what joy that will bring me, the supporters and the area as a whole.
Much more than the material emptiness of two million pounds. Heck I've hot a few million anyway, what difference does it make.
But no it's all ego butt hurt not wanting to face facts and an insistence to keep us blackmailed and held back, locked in a perennial Groundhog day just to squeeze back 2 of his 19 million.
When the day of judgement comes and he looks back on his life will that 2 million pounds presuming he gets it have given him as much happiness as a free and thriving Club he could have heroically saved and passed on to welcoming investors with open arms than gradually riding off into the sunset if he wanted?
I'd take 15 million and the feelgood factor over 19 any day.
And it doesn't matter a fig if he's in the board room or not because by dint of his loans he controls the club anyway.
He didn't pay for those £250,000(?) worth of shares. But more the fool the Trust and the membership for voting to give him them. It could be paraphrased as 'if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to take my bat and ball home'. The fools gave in to him. My mother should have spoken to them before they made that decision. She knew how to manage naughty children.
He effectively begged for control of the club. He didn't have to. He did it to protect his loans (fair enough you might say). He did things his way. He called the shots. He didn't want to share his toys. He managed to lose two previous investors in the club, at a time when we needed the money the most. He fell out with the ambulance brigade. Under his watch relations with the police are at their lowest ebb. We get fined by the football authorities for 'tapping up' another club's managers. We get fined by the FA for lack of control over public safety in the stadium. He makes decisions on the club's behalf on motions tabled at meetings abroad, and doesn't think he should consult his fellow board members, consequently losing the club thousands in lost gate receipts each game. He thinks people poorer than him are not as important (he does have a car that cost £80,000 which someone scratched, not something that cost only £1800 which obviously wouldn't matter as much if it got scratched). He connived in the hijacking of a local journalist at a public meeting that said journalist had agreed to chair. He suggested that those people who worked for the radio doing all the technical stuff that enabled the meeting to be broadcast, could stick around doing it for a bit of unpaid overtime if he bought them a drink. He says a manager resigned because of the fans, when the manager concerned says it was because he wasn't given what he was promised. He invites people to call him but then tells them not to speak to him when they ask questions he doesn't like. He contacts the operator of a message board to pull posts he doesn't like.
It's amazing why no one gives him any slack eh. It's all someone else's fault of course.
Shut this farce of a thread down and just leave this as a sticky at the top of it. Superbly summed up.
Please God get this over the line and let's hope Fenty doesn't stick around like some kind of bogeyman be it as a shareholder or frustrating Councillor.
There was some wonderfully positive optimistic stuff in the old thread, would like to see it reinstated - just remove the anti-Fenty bits if need.
Contrary to Pen Pal's assertion us toxic fans would have put off Shutes & Co. I'd say it showed what a mass swathe of positive feeling we had for such a forward thinking potential new owner, even if he doesn't have bucket loads of cash. Its the vision we buy into.
There was some wonderfully positive optimistic stuff in the old thread, would like to see it reinstated - just remove the anti-Fenty bits if need.
Contrary to Pen Pal's assertion us toxic fans would have put off Shutes & Co. I'd say it showed what a mass swathe of positive feeling we had for such a forward thinking potential new owner, even if he doesn't have bucket loads of cash. Its the vision we buy into.
Why? They are peoples' opinions whether you agree or not and we've had enough censorship.
Just remove remove the perceived factual inaccuracies then. Though why someone can't pass on what they've heard from a guy at the pub I don't know. Well I do, it's all just a bit ridiculous
Summary from Fenty interview on Hullberside: Shutes getting his ducks in a row with regards to the redevelopment and stadium - seems the docks the likely location. The price has been agreed months ago but the board want to see he has the funds should the Club hit a sticky patch on the field.
Summary from Fenty interview on Hullberside The price has been agreed months ago but the board want to see he has the funds should the Club hit a sticky patch on the field.
Quite right too, offering to buy John Fenty out and having that offer accepted (months ago incidentally, contary to all those who quite wrongly accused Fenty of holding out for more money) is one thing but ensuring that Shutes has money to actually run / invest in the club (over and above a fancy new stadium as part of tarting up the town generally) is vitally important and it is to his credit that Fenty wants to make sure the club will be secure in the hands of a new (non-football person) owner.
Ease off a bit now on Fenty perhaps?
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Well forza didn't accuse, he simply stated what he had heard from a guy down the pub and that's what caused the demand of removal of post. And subsequent thread deccimation.
I guess the price being agreed but then the board wanting to see proof of funding in case of a downturn could be misconstrued as 'the price has gone up'.
Whatever the real truth, I just hope it is indeed honourable intention that the ensuring of future welfare of the Club the holdup. Writing off benign loans would go a long way to that, as that would likely free up cash for a warchest, if the paying off of Fenty is part of the price. Which I'm sure it is.
But the price is what it is, I'm sure it's put off plenty of investors, but hopefully this one can bite the bullet AND find that big extra, which they would have had free had the price been just for the Club, benign loans aside.
Well forza didn't accuse, he simply stated what he had heard from a guy down the pub and that's what caused the demand of removal of post. And subsequent thread deccimation.
I guess the price being agreed but then the board wanting to see proof of funding in case of a downturn could be misconstrued as 'the price has gone up'.
Whatever the real truth, I just hope it is indeed honourable intention that the ensuring of future welfare of the Club the holdup. Writing off benign loans would go a long way to that, as that would likely free up cash for a warchest, if the paying off of Fenty is part of the price. Which I'm sure it is.
But the price is what it is, I'm sure it's put off plenty of investors, but hopefully this one can bite the bullet AND find that big extra, which they would have had had the price been just for the Club, loans aside.
So you're still having a pop at him really aren't you?
How much Shutes has offered Fenty for his personal part of the deal I don't know but I do know that the price was agreed months ago and that Fenty accepted the first offer.
Wanting to see that Shutes has the necessary to take the club forward is no more than I woulkd have expected from Fenty who, say what you will, has the club at heart. There is a lot more to it than simply being a football club owner, as Bury FC will testify and I think the Borad are not yet convinced Shutes fits that role investment-wise.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Tell you what Swin. I’ll apologise to Fenty (even though I always said there was more than price involved) as soon as he apologises to me for 16 years of mismanagement of ‘OUR’ club.
I think that’s fair don’t you ?
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Tell you what Swin. I’ll apologise to Fenty (even though I always said there was more than price involved) as soon as he apologises to me for 16 years of mismanagement of ‘OUR’ club.
I'd like to believe it — maybe it is the truth — but just because Fenty declared on the radio that the price was agreed months ago, it doesn't necessarily make it the truth.
Kingston's post from a few pages back summed things up perfectly. It's got to the point where I just don't believe what Fenty says, and I'll only believe it when either the sale happens or Shutes publicly corroborates it.
"Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood."
Swin spent years slating Fenty, hardly in a position to tell others to ‘ease off’..
For whatever reason -since a phone call or something - he’s now in the ‘can do no wrong’ bracket. All very strange.
Fenty does get stick, some deserved, some not, some which has brought on himself with actions taken, words said etc etc. If he sells up it’ll be in his best interest, in that he’ll recoup money. If it doesn’t go through then the stick won’t go away, he’ll get even more defensive etc and then, in time, things won’t be healthy in terms of fan relationships.
If he sells - and that’s if - then prob best scenario for all. Walk away with money recouped, but not the record of being successful.
If he stays - then big effort/rethink needed in terms of engaging the very people who DO keep the club running - the supporters. Without them - the club really is nothing.
I viewed Fenty as our saviour for a long time and was labelled in the apologist bracket also, I'd like nothing more than to thank him for that initial outlay during such a dark hour and diligently overseeing the passing of the baton as his stewardship comes to a close. Would be nice to put the messy middle part to bed and move on to a new era, don't want to hold a grudge and don't enjoy being negative or perceived as such. It's just plain as day a pigs ear has been made of a lot of things and I like many others have grown sick of it.
I notice several other posters who of the positive and optimist ilk also joining in the 'Fenty bashing' nowadays -I think that tells you all you need to know. They are in fact simply pointing out the facts of calamatous error after calamatous error which as plain as day.
Swin spent years slating Fenty, hardly in a position to tell others to ‘ease off’..
For whatever reason -since a phone call or something - he’s now in the ‘can do no wrong’ bracket. All very strange.
Disappointed in you Jase, I was never in the First XI of Fenty slaters anyway compared to many on here but now that it is out in the open that he is not holding out for more (personal) money, which many have been accusing him of and claiming it as the reason the takeover has apparently stalled, perhaps the tirade of abuse can subside a little, in respect of that accusation at least.
Should Shutes fail to convince Fenty and the Board of his ability / intention to take the club forward then I assume Fenty will get slaughtered again instead perhaps of getting some credit for ensuring our club passes into safe hands.
After all there is still the subject of Fenty's past history to keep the majority of the Fenty bashers going for a while.
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Have you been invited into one of his 'door always open' chats and won round 'Swin? I could have sworn I spent years defending Fenty at loggerheads with you amongst others. 🤔
Oh how the tables turn, it does seem very strange considering you've always been one on the glass half empty walk of life, to put it mildly 😅😉
Ensuring club in good hands - fair do’s. As in everything can twist and turn things to suit - honestly think it’s in best interest if part waves completely - but not sure it’ll happen anytime soon tbh.
Surely you’d acknowledge failings in some areas though? With reference to relations in general ?? (And yes - fault/blame works both ways)
Think for club to move forward - and IF a sale not worked out - then steps need to be taken to repair relationships, and that will only happen if people acknowledge failings and work on improvement. End of the day we all want the same thing - passions run high, things get said etc etc - now though I think it’s about moving forwards.
Disappointed in you Jase, I was never in the First XI of Fenty slaters anyway compared to many on here but now that it is out in the open that he is not holding out for more (personal) money, which many have been accusing him of and claiming it as the reason the takeover has apparently stalled, perhaps the tirade of abuse can subside a little, in respect of that accusation at least.
Should Shutes fail to convince Fenty and the Board of his ability / intention to take the club forward then I assume Fenty will get slaughtered again instead perhaps of getting some credit for ensuring our club passes into safe hands.
After all there is still the subject of Fenty's past history to keep the majority of the Fenty bashers going for a while.
Sadly, Ipswin , there are many Shylocks on here who want their " pound of flesh ". They will only be happy if JF is publicly flogged , wearing a hair shirt , and keeps screaming until he admits he got things wrong.
The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
1) we only have Fenty’s word for it on the price being settled. I don’t particularly think he’s lying but decades of experience negotiating contracts gives me cause for caution on anything until both parties have signed on the dotted line. Often what you think was agreed and clear was not until the other pieces are in place. Added to that past comments like Hurst’s reason for leaving from Fenty lead me to have less than 100% confidence in what he says.
2) in the grand scheme of things, the big risk to GTFC’s financial health isn’t whether a new owner is prepared to chuck in a few hundred thousand pounds to arrest relegation or unexpected drop in revenue. The big risk is over the financing of a new stadium. Has Shutes demonstrated that the development costs have been covered, and secondly that the club won’t be homeless as a result of problems getting the new ground built. I’ve not heard anything about that side of things. Has it been addressed? If I wanted to show I was taking care of the club before handing over the reins I’d let that be known subject to complying with confidentiality agreements of course.
3) the person who got this whole censorship thing off this week, Forza, didn’t actually say that Fenty was holding out for more money. That would be a narrow interpretation of it. You could check his actual words if the post hadn’t been deleted.
Swin, you’re understating your qualities - you most definitely were in the first XI. You were one of the star players long before most people joined in. Maybe you don’t like actually being in the bigger gang.
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Have you been invited into one of his 'door always open' chats and won round 'Swin? I could have sworn I spent years defending Fenty at loggerheads with you amongst others. 🤔
Oh how the tables turn, it does seem very strange considering you've always been one on the glass half empty walk of life, to put it mildly 😅😉
Not at all and I don't think I was ever so strongly opposed to Fenty (compared to many) that anyone had to defend him against my posts and no, I haven't been 'won round', I didn't need winning round I just wanted to know what was happening, JSF told me and I was satisfied with that and it is now in the public domain that he accepted Shutes offer weeks ago.
'Glass half empty'? Yes I am still in that group, for example 1) I am convinced we will be in the bottom half dozen or worse at the end of the season 2) I am not at all sure that Shutes ambitions for the club extend beyond buying Fenty out and getting a new ground as part of some 'wonderful Grimsby' vision without investing in the future progression of the football team and 3) The deal may not go through because of 2) above.
I certainly think Fenty deserves some credit for insisting Shutes proves he's in it for the club, don't forget if the deal does not go through Fenty doesn't get his money, he is putting GTFC before himself Whatever he's done wrong in the last 16 years we have a club because of him and hopefully will still have a club because he is making sure all is in order before he hands over
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Rancido, A simple admittance he could have done some things better but has aways tried to do what's right would go a long way instead of ego soothing blind insistence done a great job which just winds people up more.
You bring balance and debate Swin to counteract all the 'head in the clouds' glass half full dreamers like I myself can be. Disagreeing nothing personal.
Good last point, IF what we are told is the actual truth and IF the agreed price caters for paying out Fenty he could grab his cherished benign loans and finally be shot of the nightmare he took on and be blowed with what happens to the Club afterwards. He's sorted and that's all that matters.
That's if.
I just wonder why the board (Fenty) feel the need to require this evidence when there the 'fit and proper person' checks that should look into these concerns.
Perhaps it's because that system a load of old guff that not fit for purpose if you take a look over at Bury and Bolton!
I remember fenty on the pitch at Bournemouth hailing himself and his ego as the saviour of our great club. I was drawn in.
What happened was 6 years of torrid abuse on and off the pitch, disrespectful managers, players that couldnt be fu(ked, pityful displays and players drawn by an ego and empty wallet. They were sanctioned because people weren't doing their jobs.
Now even further down the line a stadium manager that lost the club the equivalent of a youth team player and board members abusing fans.
Agreeing a sale price for Grimsby Town is not the stumbling block with regards to a proposed takeover of the club, according to John Fenty.
Of course, that has not proved to be the case.
Speaking as a guest on the Burnsy Show – on BBC Radio Humberside – the club’s majority shareholder revealed that, while a sale price is not the issue, further checks still have to be made by Town and the EFL.
Mr Fenty said: “It was agreed many, many months ago. There was an offer I accepted, so that’s all done and dusted. There is no stumbling block over that whatsoever.
“From the football club’s point of view, proof of funding and passing the fit and proper test, with relation to the EFL, are clearly very important.
“Those have yet to be done.
“When all is said and done, Tom (Shutes) is a developer and I’ve no doubt he’s looking to get all of his ducks in a row before he can progress and satisfy the requirements of the EFL and the final requirements of the club which is, in particular, to make sure there is funding available in the event of a downturn at the club.
“It can be very, very costly if things don’t go right on the field, or go according to budget, as we know.
“It’s important for the club that, if we are going to pass over to new custodians, that we can at least be seen to fund a future downturn, should it occur – not that anybody wants that, of course.”
First reported by Grimsby Live, back in June, the takeover bid headed up by Mr Shutes is part of wider regeneration plans for the town and area; with the London-based businessman playing a key role in the Greater Grimsby Town Deal.
Talks between Mr Shutes and the club date back more than 12 months.
Mr Fenty added: “He’s still working on, I guess, his lot in terms of executing a proposed acquisition of the football club, and also delivering other regeneration plans, in Grimsby in particular.
“If all of that can come off it will be fantastic for the area, fantastic for the football club.
“And we just look forward to hoping that he can get his ducks in a row and making it happen.”
In terms of the proposed relocation of the club, to a new stadium, Mr Fenty shed some further light on the current state of play.
He continued: “Clearly in terms of the council, I can’t speak on behalf of the council. That’s in the hands of the chief executive, and the leader of the council, Philip Jackson.
“Aside of that, obviously the aspirations continue to relocate as far as the football club is concerned.
“I’m now speaking on behalf of the football club.
“We want to do that. At the minute, we have paused on Peaks Parkway at the request of the council.
“We have looked at Freeman Street and, of course, there are some wider proposals for potential location at the fish docks.”
I just wonder; you'd want to make sure all the required criteria in place BEFORE accepting any offer surely?
Not necessarily It appears that 'months ago' when Shutes first declared an interest in saving the town of Grimsby he made an offer to John Fenty for his shares and to pay off the benign loan (or whatever part of it Fenty was willing to accept - we don't know before everyone jumps in) to take control of the club. Fenty accepted (its his personal business anyway) but then looked at what Shutes would be investing / offering the club going forward post Fenty
Two entirely different things IMO, the offer to Fenty is totally seperate and was accepted separately. As someone else pointed out Fenty could just take his money and run and intercourse the clubs future - he's not doing that and for that I thank him for it.
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Not necessarily It appears that 'months ago' when Shutes first declared an interest in saving the town of Grimsby he made an offer to John Fenty for his shares and to pay off the benign loan (or whatever part of it Fenty was willing to accept - we don't know before everyone jumps in) to take control of the club. Fenty accepted (its his personal business anyway) but then looked at what Shutes would be investing / offering the club going forward post Fenty
Two entirely different things IMO, the offer to Fenty is totally seperate and was accepted separately. As someone else pointed out Fenty could just take his money and run and intercourse the clubs future - he's not doing that and for that I thank him for it.
I'm surprised you didn't find out Swin in your newly adopted role as a 'paragon of virtue'
I am a bit confused why does a millionaire developer not have a trainer to teach his ducks to walk in a straight line surely he has more important things to do.
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I struggle to get my head round the theory that JF has to come out and say he messed everything up in the last 15-20 years. I'm no fan of his but why would he do that and why should we expect him to? Just let him go with grace, hope the deal goes through and for a positive future
I have a genuine question. How much money did John have to put into the club to keep us going when we went non league ? I’m guessing that that’s how much ‘reserve’ cash the new owners would have to be able to provide. I’m not saying how much did the club miss out on, just, how much to keep us afloat ? I’m sure one of you stattos’s could tell me.
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I'm surprised you didn't find out Swin in your newly adopted role as a 'paragon of virtue'
If I knew I wouldn't make it public and anyway does it matter how much he has agreed to sell for? Its not important, the point is he has not asked an amount that has put off a potential buyer in fact he has come to an agreement on the first figure put on the table.
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I have a genuine question. How much money did John have to put into the club to keep us going when we went non league ? I’m guessing that that’s how much ‘reserve’ cash the new owners would have to be able to provide. I’m not saying how much did the club miss out on, just, how much to keep us afloat ? I’m sure one of you stattos’s could tell me.
A trawl through the company accounts from that period might show the total amounts loaned by directors in succeeding years. It won't show which director, but you we probably have a shrewd idea most of it will be him. When I've got a chance I'll dig it out.
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I have a genuine question. How much money did John have to put into the club to keep us going when we went non league ? I’m guessing that that’s how much ‘reserve’ cash the new owners would have to be able to provide. I’m not saying how much did the club miss out on, just, how much to keep us afloat ? I’m sure one of you stattos’s could tell me.
Happy to help.
Just looking at the Director loans (which may not be the most sensible way of answering your question).
As per the filed accounts Directors loans were £2,391,800 in May 2010 when we were relegated.
In May 2016 after we were promoted the Directors loans were £2,209,700.
So based on that the Loans to the club did not actually increase in the non-league years.
So in total the Directors loan actually decreased by a net 182,100 in the 6 years we were in the non-league.
So despite the financial cliff edge, as I seem to remember dropping into the non-league being referred to, the Directors loans far from increasing in the Football wilderness actually saw a reasonable decrease. Which suggests that perhaps dropping into non league football is not quite so disastrous as we are led to believe from a financial point of view?
Apologies if any of the maths is wrong in the above.
And Mr Thomas Henry Shutes has a net worth of.......holds the moment for tension..... -£2.3m....think he needs a good backer to get this deal over the line..
And Mr Thomas Henry Shutes has a net worth of.......holds the moment for tension..... -£2.3m....think he needs a good backer to get this deal over the line..
Don’t give up the day job, not sure you’ve a future in accountancy.
I'ii tell you what has happened in one sentence- The same bigots callin Fck out of J.S.F. repeating the same things over and over again.
Please don't go down that route of confusing criticism with bigotry. As fans we have every right to question, dissect and yes give out stick if our club is being badly run, and not making much if any progress.
Surely if fenty does go then the club will be 200k better off each season as he won't need his loans paying back bit by bit (they will presumably be cleared in the deal). How much does fenty stand behind the club as guarantor each year, is it more or less than 200k? Have 300k in the back of my head but could be wrong.
So in total the Directors loan actually decreased by a net 182,100 in the 6 years we were in the non-league.
So despite the financial cliff edge, as I seem to remember dropping into the non-league being referred to, the Directors loans far from increasing in the Football wilderness actually saw a reasonable decrease. Which suggests that perhaps dropping into non league football is not quite so disastrous as we are led to believe from a financial point of view?
Apologies if any of the maths is wrong in the above.
Edit sorry Kingston for beating you to it!
Saved me a job MM! 😊
Those numbers are a real surprise. Wonder if that period of the biggest fall coincided with when Parker bought half a million extra shares? Cash going to repay He Who Must not be Criticised?
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I would assume to pass the EFL fit and proper persons test then you have to show that your not a gangster and have not got your wealth from dubious means, also on the financial side I guess there is a formula where you have to show the means to pay the bills for a certain amount of time if other funds stop, at a guess the time period could be anywhere from 1 month to a year of available cash. Out of interest do the EFL actually publish what the criteria is or is it all very hush hush and can be different depending on who the prospective buyer is.
Please don't go down that route of confusing criticism with bigotry. As fans we have every right to question, dissect and yes give out stick if our club is being badly run, and not making much if any progress.
Yes of course you have but its the same thing over and over and over again, 16 years of mismanagement, the benign loan, poor PR, delaying the takeover et al
After today one if not two complaints have gone a long way to being sorted so unless someone can think of a new stick to beat Fenty with (rather than repeating all the old moans and groans about how badly run people think the club has been, yet again) can it be given a rest for a while at least until we see what Shutes proposes and whether the Board can agree.
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A bigot is defined as someone who is intolerant to other people’s opinions. Just saying.
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So in total the Directors loan actually decreased by a net 182,100 in the 6 years we were in the non-league.
So despite the financial cliff edge, as I seem to remember dropping into the non-league being referred to, the Directors loans far from increasing in the Football wilderness actually saw a reasonable decrease. Which suggests that perhaps dropping into non league football is not quite so disastrous as we are led to believe from a financial point of view?
Apologies if any of the maths is wrong in the above.
Edit sorry Kingston for beating you to it!
The Directors loans dropped at some point because MIke Parker changed £350,000 of loans into shares as per an agreement with Fenty. I think Fenty did the same for a much smaller amount.
I would assume to pass the EFL fit and proper persons test then you have to show that your not a gangster and have not got your wealth from dubious means, also on the financial side I guess there is a formula where you have to show the means to pay the bills for a certain amount of time if other funds stop, at a guess the time period could be anywhere from 1 month to a year of available cash. Out of interest do the EFL actually publish what the criteria is or is it all very hush hush and can be different depending on who the prospective buyer is.
No, it's like a DBS check. It only confirms you've never been caught before. It's not a guarantee that the person isn't dodgy.
Yes of course you have but its the same thing over and over and over again, 16 years of mismanagement, the benign loan, poor PR, delaying the takeover et al
After today one if not two complaints have gone a long way to being sorted so unless someone can think of a new stick to beat Fenty with (rather than repeating all the old moans and groans about how badly run people think the club has been, yet again) can it be given a rest for a while at least until we see what Shutes proposes and whether the Board can agree.
I can’t quite see how a possible sale of a worthless football club excuses how it became worthless in the first place.
Interesting also that Mr Fenty still believes that Peaks Parkway is still the better location from a business perspective.
Yes of course you have but its the same thing over and over and over again, 16 years of mismanagement, the benign loan, poor PR, delaying the takeover et al
After today one if not two complaints have gone a long way to being sorted so unless someone can think of a new stick to beat Fenty with (rather than repeating all the old moans and groans about how badly run people think the club has been, yet again) can it be given a rest for a while at least until we see what Shutes proposes and whether the Board can agree.
It can't be the same thing over and over because there is a new member-up every week to discuss.
Surely after the JF interview on RH the spotlight is now on Shutes, what more can JF do now ?
Well yes, but the club isn’t worth buying without the regeneration and commercial opportunities in the background. Mr Shutes is absolutely right to line his ducks up (or whatever the phrase is.)
The Directors loans dropped at some point because MIke Parker changed £350,000 of loans into shares as per an agreement with Fenty. I think Fenty did the same for a much smaller amount.
Aye. Called up share capital:
Year Amount Change on previous year 2010: £510,700 2011: £1,506,900 +£996,200 2012: £2,058,500 +£551,600 2013: £2,059,100 +£600 2014: £2,112,400 +£53,300 2015: £2,173,800 +£61,400 2016: £2,272,400 +£98,600
According to the GrimTel Parker owns c22% of the shares now which would make it around £500,000. So probably a million injected when we started our non-League journey. https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....r-john-fenty-3005126
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Well yes, but the club isn’t worth buying without the regeneration and commercial opportunities in the background. Mr Shutes is absolutely right to line his ducks up (or whatever the phrase is.)
I may be naive but aren't there some people who just buy football clubs for the glory/buzz/ego/attention/love? I know without a new ground we'll probably struggle to stay in this division long-term, maybe Shutes wouldn't be interested without the commercial opportunities attached to it, but would it really stop every other potential owner?
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I may be naive but aren't there some people who just buy football clubs for the glory/buzz/ego/attention/love? I know without a new ground we'll probably struggle to stay in this division long-term, maybe Shutes wouldn't be interested without the commercial opportunities attached to it, but would it really stop every other potential owner?
I agree Rob. There are many owners who have clubs as a vanity project, some who can afford to and others that can’t. Some become bottomless pits whilst others thrive, some owners are lucky, others aren’t. What doesn’t help is our geographical location.
Agreeing a sale price for Grimsby Town is not the stumbling block with regards to a proposed takeover of the club, according to John Fenty.
Of course, that has not proved to be the case.
Speaking as a guest on the Burnsy Show – on BBC Radio Humberside – the club’s majority shareholder revealed that, while a sale price is not the issue, further checks still have to be made by Town and the EFL.
Mr Fenty said: “It was agreed many, many months ago. There was an offer I accepted, so that’s all done and dusted. There is no stumbling block over that whatsoever.
“From the football club’s point of view, proof of funding and passing the fit and proper test, with relation to the EFL, are clearly very important.
“Those have yet to be done.
“When all is said and done, Tom (Shutes) is a developer and I’ve no doubt he’s looking to get all of his ducks in a row before he can progress and satisfy the requirements of the EFL and the final requirements of the club which is, in particular, to make sure there is funding available in the event of a downturn at the club.
“It can be very, very costly if things don’t go right on the field, or go according to budget, as we know.
“It’s important for the club that, if we are going to pass over to new custodians, that we can at least be seen to fund a future downturn, should it occur – not that anybody wants that, of course.”
First reported by Grimsby Live, back in June, the takeover bid headed up by Mr Shutes is part of wider regeneration plans for the town and area; with the London-based businessman playing a key role in the Greater Grimsby Town Deal.
Talks between Mr Shutes and the club date back more than 12 months.
Mr Fenty added: “He’s still working on, I guess, his lot in terms of executing a proposed acquisition of the football club, and also delivering other regeneration plans, in Grimsby in particular.
“If all of that can come off it will be fantastic for the area, fantastic for the football club.
“And we just look forward to hoping that he can get his ducks in a row and making it happen.”
In terms of the proposed relocation of the club, to a new stadium, Mr Fenty shed some further light on the current state of play.
He continued: “Clearly in terms of the council, I can’t speak on behalf of the council. That’s in the hands of the chief executive, and the leader of the council, Philip Jackson.
“Aside of that, obviously the aspirations continue to relocate as far as the football club is concerned.
“I’m now speaking on behalf of the football club.
“We want to do that. At the minute, we have paused on Peaks Parkway at the request of the council.
“We have looked at Freeman Street and, of course, there are some wider proposals for potential location at the fish docks.”
So as I understand it JF and the current board want proof of funding going forward.
My question therefore is has JF and the current board guaranteed funding going forward if the club isn't sold? Also how much has JF and the current board put into the club in the past 3 years?
I think I heard Fenty is a guarantor though that hasn't been required as the Club making a profit. But like has been touched upon, with Fenty gone the Club wouldn't be paying him back 200k per annum and surely that extra in the coffers each term would go a long way to covering any rainy-day fund needed?
So as I understand it JF and the current board want proof of funding going forward.
My question therefore is has JF and the current board guaranteed funding going forward if the club isn't sold? Also how much has JF and the current board put into the club in the past 3 years?
To be fair to Fenty arry, he has provided guarantees totalling £325,000 for several years.
As we know, more has been taken out in terms of loan repayments in recent years.
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To be fair to Fenty arry, he has provided guarantees totalling £325,000 for several years.
As we know, more has been taken out in terms of loan repayments in recent years.
It would be interesting how much in guarantees are the board looking for because if that figure of £325,000 over several years is right, in the scheme of things that isn't much.
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It would be interesting how much in guarantees are the board looking for because if that figure of £325,000 over several years is right, in the scheme of things that isn't much.
It could be £325,000 in one year. That's the commitment. Obviously if in one year we end up with drastically lower income than budgeted for and all that £325k is swallowed up, we don't know if he'll do it another year.
Bear in mind the turnover in 2018 was £3m that's a significant % of income.
But you're right, it would be unreasonable to expect the prospective buyers to guarantee more.
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I would like to point out the £600 in 2013 includes my buying of one share of £100, so that I can now say that I am a shareholder of GTFC, and can attend the AGM. I didn't realise that I accounted for one sixth of the shares sold that year!
And your saying I'm wrong??...go check it for yourself...he has a net worth of -£2.3 million...and that is a fact before the mods jump on me.
I’m saying you’re wrong, yes, mainly because the website you got that figure from (by googling “Tom Shutes net worth”) also gives John Fenty’s “net worth” as minus half a million quid.
The companies of which he is involved may have a combined net worth of £-2m, but you have no idea how much money he has as an individual. He might have a billion quid sat in the bank for all you know.
And like most savvy businessmen, the vast majority of his business wealth will be tied up in assets where it can't be taxed. And yes this a legitimate practice. In my time as a director of a small company any excess funds at the end of the tax year were pretty much all used up acquiring assets to avoid giving a large chunk of it to taxman.
And like most savvy businessmen, the vast majority of his business wealth will be tied up in assets where it can't be taxed. And yes this a legitimate practice. In my time as a director of a small company any excess funds at the end of the tax year were pretty much all used up acquiring assets to avoid giving a large chunk of it to taxman.
As do I, I either invest into pension funds or equity, dependant on how the market is predicted to perform... But regardless of where I have invested my money I still have to show this on my balance sheets at year end...so if my investments haven't performed well it can look as though I have a negative net worth at the time of my accountants being released to companies house, so when I used the same website I always use, of which you have to pay for to get access to, it shows T Schutes net worth of -£2.3m which would mean he would find it hard to borrow money against his assets through mainstream lenders unless he has a sleeping partner who will either lend him the funds to purchase club directly or against his assets, which I suspect at the moment is where the hold up is...purely conjecture on my part obviously.
Thought the initial consensus was that Shutes was the front man but there was another backer who has the readies. Sure all will become clear at some stage in the future.
Perhaps one or our experts might like to take a look.
You don't need to be an expert to understand that business people like Tom Shutes don't want to pay a penny more tax than they have to and that the way they set up businesses is done with that in mind.
You don't need to be an expert to understand that business people like Tom Shutes don't want to pay a penny more tax than they have to and that the way they set up businesses is done with that in mind.
I don't think it is just business men that don't want to pay a penny more tax than they have to.
You don't need to be an expert to understand that business people like Tom Shutes don't want to pay a penny more tax than they have to and that the way they set up businesses is done with that in mind.
That must be where I have gone wrong then, like all honest people I have always paid the tax I owe.
Why would you want to pay more tax than you have to? Doesn't make you a crook, every accountant in the land will try and save you paying out wherever can. Plenty of tax is still paid.
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So our proposed takeover has been going on for a good few months and seems llke it could be a while to completion yet, but Bury are given until sometime today to get sorted, it makes you wonder what our problem is?
So our proposed takeover has been going on for a good few months and seems llke it could be a while to completion yet, but Bury are given until sometime today to get sorted, it makes you wonder what our problem is?
It's taken more than thirty years and counting for us to get nowhere with a new stadium and it's taken more than my lifetime waiting for the council to properly regenerate NE Lincs. Trying to solve all that in one go is going to take a huge effort and solve issues that have never been solved before by many many people. Patience is key and let Shutes & Co have the respect, chance and time to pull it all together. A few months for such positive and needed gains is nothing in comparable terms..
What like you towards anyone who so despicable as to ever critisise our supreme leader?
If you care to read all my posts you will see that I have criticised JF on several occasions. I have frequently said that his tenure has been a disaster, his PR is terrible, some of his statements are ludicrous and we need a new owner. What I don't understand is the constant and often repeated same arguments against him , almost as if it has to be hammered home that he is wrong time and time again. It's almost like digging up a dead horse and shooting it again just to make sure it's dead. I make no excuse for the fact that I think his initial loans saved the club and I see nothing wrong in him wanting them back.
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So are we saying without the regeneration including the new ground Shutes isn't interested.
Presumably after all he's not likely to want to own the club as it stands in BP is he? Don't forget he has no real interest in a football club just the club's potential role in regenerating the town itself in the form of a new ground
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Let's hope Mr Shute's isn't the next Mr Dale from Bury
Hmmm, that does concern me too which is why I am delighted that, even though he has agreed his personal buy out amount, Fenty and the board are hanging fire on the deal until they are sure Shutes is going to put up cash to actually run the club and not just use it as a pawn in the re-generation game
One thing's for sure John Fenty hasn't sold it for £1 !
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If you care to read all my posts you will see that I have criticised JF on several occasions. I have frequently said that his tenure has been a disaster, his PR is terrible, some of his statements are ludicrous and we need a new owner. What I don't understand is the constant and often repeated same arguments against him , almost as if it has to be hammered home that he is wrong time and time again. It's almost like digging up a dead horse and shooting it again just to make sure it's dead. I make no excuse for the fact that I think his initial loans saved the club and I see nothing wrong in him wanting them back.
You have. But in defence of us horse shooters, I would say that bloody nag is alive and well sowe'll go on shooting.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Fair enough Rancido, I've no inclination to trawl back over your posts somehow just going on short-term memory.
I'd say the explanation for the repeated pointing out of Fenty's past misgivings is people are fed up and the aggrevating instances keep happening. As sure as the night turns to day, but anyway.
As for the idea Shutes could be in the mould of a Steve Dale I'd say the clue is in his heavy involvement in the Greater Grimsby project and having a passionate ambition to regenerate a place that been trodden on and left behind.
The fact he a philanthropist. Take a look back at all his previous ventures; they all positive, art inspired or charitable in nature - I don't think ransacking the local Club and leaving it up sh!t creek without a paddle would fit well with the greater project.
Everything new is a risk of course, but I would imagine a Chief Executive would be put in charge rather than Tom and maybe he could sell on for a profit one day when we a much more attractive proposition.
But Id have thought the main idea is to bring the club which central to the local community along for the ride as the area is finally brought into the 21st Century.
It appears his purpose in life is not making bucket loads of cash to hoard away, but to use his position to give back and help the deprived for the feel good factor of making a difference in the world (which I'd agree a much more fulfilling and noble life lived than empty materialism and greed).
Perhaps I've been hoodwinked and he a wolf in sheep clothing - but his actions in the past, which define him, suggest not. My gut says not.
And in any case I believe it worth the role of the dice, the leap of faith into the unknown as we well and truly stuck in the doldrums with the current regime.
Not recklessly of course, Bury the warning sign, but this appears an opportunity that could put us on the ride of our lives all being well. Sure there may be hiccups, but isn't it great to maybe finally have a positive vision for the future? Club and area.
At the MOMENT it is only J.S.F. that I have faith in to find a buyer who will deliver what we expect. and hope for. He is G.T.F.C. through and through and will not hand over the reins to just anybody
At the MOMENT it is only J.S.F. that I have faith in to find a buyer who will deliver what we expect. and hope for. He is G.T.F.C. through and through and will not hand over the reins to just anybody
Red x's-you don't think he's gonna start another bid surely-unless when Jsf goes he gives MP his shares back and then he will be the leading share holder FFS get a life.
Why would you want to pay more tax than you have to? Doesn't make you a crook, every accountant in the land will try and save you paying out wherever can. Plenty of tax is still paid.
No doubt when they are fiddling the tax they should honestly be paying too.
No doubt when they are fiddling the tax they should honestly be paying too.
Another hospital gone.
Yep, the biggest abusers of the tax system always tend to be the ones who benefit the most from the things they don’t want to fund. A well educated and skilled workforce, a healthy customer base with money in their pockets, efficient infrastructure and a police force equipped to protect their properties.
Still, “there’s plenty of tax being paid” by regular mugs who can’t afford creative accountants and financial advisers.
There’s a reason private schools like Harrow and Eton are registered charities...
Please name another who you would have faith in who would ensure the future
I think you are vastly overestimating the importance of John Fenty to GTFC, and vastly underestimating the fans financial input.
The figures talked about are peanuts by todays standards, easily matched by any self regarding consortium, led by someone with a more persuasive and likeable personality.
The figures talked about are peanuts by todays standards, easily matched by any self regarding consortium, led by someone with a more persuasive and likeable personality.
But would the sufficiently funded 'self regarding consortium' give a excrement about the football club ?
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
But would the sufficiently funded 'self regarding consortium' give a excrement about the football club ?
Did Fenty give a s**t about the football club as he led us to 6 years in non league after making catastrophic mistakes on and off the field?
Did he care that chronic underinvestment in the team, the stadium and the club in general would leave us miles behind similar sized clubs for nearly 2 decades?
Do you want the club to stay in a rut forever on the off chance that new owners would do any worse?
At the MOMENT it is only J.S.F. that I have faith in to find a buyer who will deliver what we expect. and hope for. He is G.T.F.C. through and through and will not hand over the reins to just anybody
Pity that doesn't translate into showing the club's fans more respect.
Did Fenty give a s**t about the football club as he led us to 6 years in non league after making catastrophic mistakes on and off the field?
Did he care that chronic underinvestment in the team, the stadium and the club in general would leave us miles behind similar sized clubs for nearly 2 decades?
Do you want the club to stay in a rut forever on the off chance that new owners would do any worse?
1 Yes thats why he bailed us out to start with 2 Yes but as every fornicator was already complaining about the benign loan did you really want him to put any more money in 3 Rather in the current rut than an even worse one, not a chance we can afford to take
On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries
Rob. Can we lock this for now please. It’s just going round in circles and there clearly is no new news.
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Rob. Can we lock this for now please. It’s just going round in circles and there clearly is no new news.
I could lock this thread. But there might be no news for weeks or even months. A similar thread would doubtless materialise during that time. Best thing is just to not update it unless there is news then it will naturally drift away. Nothing like a game to talk about and we've got one soon, then a few more.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
I for one am thankful for Fenty initially saving us, hindsight is great seeing how other clubs played the system and are now in a much stronger place - but would little ole Grimsby have been afforded the same leeway?
I wouldn't want to wind back the clock and find out.
The potential Bury situation shows us that no matter how desperate the last decade or two have been, it better than having no club at all.
It would have been nice for Fenty to have gifted us the cash like other chairmen do, or like Mike Parker did then we could have been on a more level playing field able to compete with a clean slate. But that was the only offer we had on the table at the time, we didn't have much choice but to accept.
As an 'out and out' supporter like himself I wouldn't want to see my club hamstrung with a perennial benign weight on its shoulder but that's his choice. It is what it is sadly.
Without such mismanagement as what we've endured it perhaps wouldn't have been such an issue.
If Fenty gifted us the money then we would have had to pay tax on as it would be classed as earnings, it losing a significant part of it. By calling it a loan we don't have to pay any tax on it.
We'd create another one, after all this a GTFC fans forum, a place to drivel on, pass on rumours or counter rumours, vent spleen, get excited or speak of anything GTFC related we want within the framework of free speech which as a free country we can do. So long as no legal lines are crossed all is well.
I seem to remember an 'enough is enough', 'time to take a stand' massive groundswell of opinion around the end of last season, so I think things are pretty chilled in comparison as the Town fans continue to be reasonably patient.
If Fenty gifted us the money then we would have had to pay tax on as it would be classed as earnings, it losing a significant part of it. By calling it a loan we don't have to pay any tax on it.
If it was in the form of shares theb we wouldn't.
Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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. There is also the intriguing coincidence that in 2009 Charles Dunstone (Ross' partner at Carphone Warehouse) married Celia SHUTE (no S according to pres reports at the time). Given how unusual the surname is, one wonders whether that was a spelling mistake and that Celia and Tom are related, although she is consistently named Celia Gordon Shute 
