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We can certainly get to wherever we want with the right attitude, but do people still think that League One is our par for the course? It's been 15 years since we were at that level - that's more than a blip, I would say. People said we were punching above our weight in the Championship; have we progressed an inch since then in any of the key areas that contribute to success in the modern game (investment, infrastructure)?
I was flicking through some old programmes the other day and saw that table that showed us top of Division 1, above Manchester City. It's only when you look back to the not-too-distant past that you realise how good Town used to be, and why older fans are disillusioned currently. It's understandably difficult to see us be fearful of the likes of Yeovil at home, for Lincoln City to be relevant to us, etc.
But that's where we are, isn't it? We aren't better than League Two, we belong here.
The problem is everywhere. It's like everything just oozes sadness; a general malaise which constantly descends upon BP. It's not about any one individual, we shouldn't pin it on any one individual. It will take good leadership to provide that spark that could turn the engines once again. New blood is required everywhere. Time to find it.
It's an interesting point around "culture" and "can't do" I know for a fact that the club withhold payment to a new local supplier to the point that this particular supplier has last week threatened them with court action. Administrative error or a culture of amateurism? Though the above example is not football related it suggests a way of working that belongs in a different league and not at a "professional" club. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| September 9, 2018, 11:16am |
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Ok so if he isn't wanted at our club anymore then the fans need to do something about it.
Forgive me for saying but, It's okay typing frustrations on this forum to vent the immediate anger but nothing will change if the fans don't be active to be publicly heard.
I for one isn't suggesting a midseason protest at BP as it'll be an unhealthy distraction to what MJ is trying to achieve but something needs to be distributed into the board meetings via Mariners Trust or something along those lines.
The fans need a mechanism for Fenty to get a very very clear message that his sell by date is well and truly gone at BP and it's time to part ways. None of keyboard typing as it doesn't get heard.
The mechanism is there. The problem is the last time the fans told the Trust what they wanted nothing happened. But underlying that problem is fans don’t seem to want to get involved in changing things by a couple of people (mickey and ska). Elections to the trust board go uncontested. Public meetings of the Trust are poorly attended. More people need to step forward. So many of us are exiles so we have limited time and it really needs to be owned by people who live in the town or close by. We get the Trust and club we deserve. |
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| Ipswin |
| September 9, 2018, 11:31am |
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As soon as things start to go mammaries up and all the ridiculous pre-season optimism surrounding Jolley starts to wear thin the attacks start on the board again
They appointed Jolley, the man every fornicator wanted based on a couple of vids on You Tube, a relegation in Sweden and an unbeaten home record in his Subbuteo league, They have sanctioned the signing / loan of a number of players seen by many as superb signings from a higher level than us and Fenty has kept his mouth shut for months.
What the intercourse have they done wrong this time and how on earth can Jolley's inability to get players to perform, and the players apparent inability to perform be the board's fault?
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| H19P1 |
| September 9, 2018, 11:36am |
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Think people are just genuinely fed up and want change at the top. Don't think it has anything to do with MJ and what he's trying to do but just the underlying fact that JF hasn't really taken us anywhere in his time in charge.
Nothing wrong with the fans wanting success and maybe they can smell success under MJ leadership in time but feel that JF has taken us as far as he can possibly do so.
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| rancido |
| September 9, 2018, 11:44am |
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Perhaps we should blame the trust as well? A bucket of frogspawn would be of more use than them
Logically if they have a place on The Board then it follows they must be a part of the problem ( if we assume The Board is a collective ) |
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| H19P1 |
| September 9, 2018, 11:52am |
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Let's test the trust resolve to see what side of the fence they actually sit.
Get them to organise a mass vote on if we want to see change at the top starting with JF.
This way they'll get to see the overriding opinion of the whole town and not just people of this forum.
If they actually set something up then it needs to be on a big scale rather than low key.
Social media, local news, ballot papers and anything else to gauge the true feeling. Until then the fans will never be heard
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| September 9, 2018, 11:54am |
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People STILL believe we could compete at Championship level?
In the past 5 years, only 5 teams have had a sub-10000 average attendance: Yeovil, Doncaster, Rotherham, Burton and Bournemouth. Yeovil and Doncaster went down instantly. Rotherham and Burton just about survived until giving up. And we all know how Bournemouth got to the PL.
Unless we have a Lincoln-esque revival, we aren’t even going to get close to 10k (we won’t even get to 9k without a new ground). The only small club who consistently do well in the Championship is Brentford, and that’s because they sell millions worth of players every year and they still have millions pumped in.
Without a benefactor, clubs of our size (a core of 3.5k fans) are always going to struggle at second-tier level and it’s only going to get worse as the wage gap exponentially increases.
The best we can hope for upper half of League 1 with some PO campaigns. That’s as far as I can see.
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| H19P1 |
| September 9, 2018, 12:02pm |
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People STILL believe we could compete at Championship level?
In the past 5 years, only 5 teams have had a sub-10000 average attendance: Yeovil, Doncaster, Rotherham, Burton and Bournemouth. Yeovil and Doncaster went down instantly. Rotherham and Burton just about survived until giving up. And we all know how Bournemouth got to the PL.
Unless we have a Lincoln-esque revival, we aren’t even going to get close to 10k (we won’t even get to 9k without a new ground). The only small club who consistently do well in the Championship is Brentford, and that’s because they sell millions worth of players every year and they still have millions pumped in.
Without a benefactor, clubs of our size (a core of 3.5k fans) are always going to struggle at second-tier level and it’s only going to get worse as the wage gap exponentially increases.
The best we can hope for upper half of League 1 with some PO campaigns. That’s as far as I can see.
And this is what people are saying, a new leader to act as a benefactor rather than a in the nicest possible way, a stagnant JF. |
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| rancido |
| September 9, 2018, 12:14pm |
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And this is what people are saying, a new leader to act as a benefactor rather than a in the nicest possible way, a stagnant JF.
In other words somebody who is prepared to gift the club money in exchange for the kudos of running a FL club and the good will of the GTFC fans. |
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| H19P1 |
| September 9, 2018, 12:19pm |
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In other words somebody who is prepared to gift the club money in exchange for the kudos of running a FL club and the good will of the GTFC fans.
Maybe so or just someone new with fresh ideas who operates differently and maybe have a different vision. Nothing wrong with change as long as we accept the risks that could come with change. |
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