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So the members of the trust are the last to find out.? Not really a supporters based trust is it. A small clique doing what they want


And loads of us are dying for you to set up an alternative group we can join what with you having all the answers we should be Championship within 5 year`s in a nice shiny stadium.

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The Trust board needs the authority to make day to day decisions on behalf of the members which is perfectly reasonable.
However, what appears to be major change on the result of the survey should as a bare minimum be shared with the membership and possibly voted on.
Instead we have an agreement already made by those that know better than us all signed and sealed before the membership even knows what it entails.
Was it barralad that threatened to spill the beans at the end of last season but suddenly lost his voice? Is it true that the trust board member is in fentys pocket?  And you expect a bit of support and respect? Show a bit less contempt for the membership and you might get it.
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Around his snooker table table and pot the blue in the middle pocket



I don't actually want to say I told you so, but, intercourse it, I did
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No it was Bax ,never did tell us what he was going to at the end of the season.


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
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The Trust board needs the authority to make day to day decisions on behalf of the members which is perfectly reasonable.
However, what appears to be major change on the result of the survey should as a bare minimum be shared with the membership and possibly voted on.
Instead we have an agreement already made by those that know better than us all signed and sealed before the membership even knows what it entails.
Was it barralad that threatened to spill the beans at the end of last season but suddenly lost his voice? Is it true that the trust board member is in fentys pocket?  And you expect a bit of support and respect? Show a bit less contempt for the membership and you might get it.


Spill the beans? About what? We ran a survey. A significant proportion of our members completed the survey and instructed us as to what sort of change they wanted to see. Armed with that information we approached the club to seek a solution. The results of those meetings will appear as the statement ASAP because we are consccious of how long it has taken.
On the subject of respect I won't be taking  any lessons anytime soon from someone who snipes anonymously from behind a keyboard. My name is Ian Townsend. I'm the Treasurer of the Trust. What's your name?


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Footballing Stockholm syndrome and a fear of the unknown.


Once read a book on Stockholm syndrome. It started badly, but I quite liked it in the end.
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Spill the beans? About what? We ran a survey. A significant proportion of our members completed the survey and instructed us as to what sort of change they wanted to see. Armed with that information we approached the club to seek a solution. The results of those meetings will appear as the statement ASAP because we are consccious of how long it has taken.
On the subject of respect I won't be taking  any lessons anytime soon from someone who snipes anonymously from behind a keyboard. My name is Ian Townsend. I'm the Treasurer of the Trust. What's your name?

My apologies another poster has corrected me it was Bax and not you.
My name is John Taylor. There you go, can I post reasoned critism now without you calling it sniping?

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Make it factual and balanced and nobody will deny you the right.


"You should do what you love while you can"
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My apologies another poster has corrected me it was Bax and not you.
My name is John Taylor. There you go, can I post reasoned critism now without you calling it sniping?



Yes . So much better dealing with a name.


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The Trust board needs the authority to make day to day decisions on behalf of the members which is perfectly reasonable.
However, what appears to be major change on the result of the survey should as a bare minimum be shared with the membership and possibly voted on.
Instead we have an agreement already made by those that know better than us all signed and sealed before the membership even knows what it entails.
Was it barralad that threatened to spill the beans at the end of last season but suddenly lost his voice? Is it true that the trust board member is in fentys pocket?  And you expect a bit of support and respect? Show a bit less contempt for the membership and you might get it.


I'll readily accept that you made a genuine mistake when you stated that I promised to spill the beans. What I find harder to accept and this is where perhaps my definition of reasoned criticism and yours diverge is your view that the current members of the Trust Board somehow think that we know better than the members. If that was the case we would've ignored the survey findings. Instead we were put in a position well outside of the comfort zone of a lot of us because despite what some people would want others to think there were very few of the questions asked that had overwhelming support for a particular course of action. That is why we involved S.D. in the first place. We had just short of 700 responses a percentage of which were sent in by non-members so in reality probably less than 500 members actually replied. Some people have very strong views on some of the subjects raised in the survey. As the representatives of the fans we cannot treat any of the views
as being less important than others so our response to anything will often be in the nature of compromise in order to try to satisfy as many as possible. As I've said before I'm not prepared to pre-empt the issue of the MOU as referred to in the newsletter issued tonight and put on this site by Skaface. I'm sure that whatever the outcome is it will not please everyone. Those that aren't pleased will then have a decision to make-Enter into the spirit of compromise or either, if they are actually a member withdraw from the Trust or carry on being unhappy. It really is that simple. You hit the nail on the head with your initial sentence. The current set up of the Trust Board relies entirely on volunteers who want to make a difference. Trust me when I say there are no perks and there is no kudos from being involved with the Supporters Trust of a team towards the bottom end of the league pyramid. We are an easy target for people who perhaps want to cause mischief but the bottom line is that without a large influx of resources we are going to continue to try to represent members and the fans at large but only as far as those resources allow. In short anyone who thinks that the Trust board are going to resort to costly and time consuming all-member votes on issues is living in cloud cuckoo land. In a democracy you elect people to act on your behalf. If you aren't happy with those you elect then you have the option once a year to register your disapproval by voting some of them out and, who knows stepping up to the plate themselves. We haven't had our full complement of Board members for most of the last two years. If anyone is still awake after reading that then my final point (and I do realise that you asked a question) is that being on the Board of a PLC football club is a job I wouldn't have if you paid me a six figure salary. Jon Wood has to balance a very demanding day job with the boardroom. It doesn't take much to imagine how hard that role has been given the turmoil on and off the pitch over the past year or so and the angle that Jon as fans rep. has had to approach the role from.


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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