Is the United Kingdom a free country anymore?

Quoted from Marinerz93

Talking of body counts what is the greatest genocide in history?

Depends which source you use but a recurring theme is the European colonisation of Central and South America which saw several civilisations completely eradicated.

Quoted from Grim74

Oh you having a bad day Ska boy! What with your pin up boy comrade Corbyn in the msn spotlight yet again (not counting the BBC they’re still creaming theirselves over Boris) but you have to feel sorry for old corbo accidentally wandering into a wreath laying ceremony for a group of terrorists, held the wreath and then photographed with the wreath, all without his knowledge. the gift that keeps on giving 😂

Apparently the Black September terrorists are not only buried in a different cemetery but indeed a separate country, there was also a Tory Lord at the the same ceremony but facts are irrelevant to some of our press if a good smear is potentially available

Quoted from codcheeky

Apparently the Black September terrorists are not only buried in a different cemetery but indeed a separate country, there was also a Tory Lord at the the same ceremony but facts are irrelevant to some of our press if a good smear is potentially available

Now Coddy...don't you realise that Grim subscribes to the mainstream press maxim that if you chuck enough mud some of it will stick...

I don't think the Tory Lord (or the Libdem one for that matter) were actually at this wreath laying ceremony. They went to the conference but not to that bit. The wreath Corbyn was pictured with was in memory of those killed (including Tunisian civilians) by the Israeli attack which was condemned unanimously by the UN Security Council (how often does that happen, eh?) as well as the Thatcher government and pretty much everyone else.

More lies from the right-wing media to claim otherwise, of course.

When a state such as Israel bombs and murders civilians in another country, surely that makes them a terrorist state in the same way which Libya was accused? If not, why not?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Who else does it on such a scale? Was it 1400 children in Rotherham alone? What other group passes around young English girls for rape - I would let the authorities know if you know who they are. Even if there are other groups, why would that preclude the EDL from highlighting the problem of Asian gangs?

If you think the EDL and Asian grooming gangs need condemning equally I find that very alarming to be honest.

When have i said they need condemning equally? Rapists and paedophiles need to be in prison.

Grooming and child abuse is not a problem exclusive to one ethnicity. White Britons have a pretty horrific record of organised child grooming and cover ups going back years. Look at the scale of abuse uncovered in operation yewtree. Look at the scale of abuse and cover ups in the Catholic Church, in children’s homes and even in football.

The EDL are a joke and they use the suffering of children to radicalise people to hate one specific group.


this was my response to the quoted post from the locked thread. Thought it would fit in nicely on here.

It’s easy to sweep the Muslim grooming gang problem under the carpet by pigeon holing it with with the rest of the paedo’s in the country, but when you take into account the Muslim population is only aprox 5% then you soon realise this problem is epidemic.

The looney left can call this (non race) issue racist all they want as a way of closing down the debate, but the ironic thing is it’s because of them that being called a racist is not even offensive anymore 😀 it’s more a badge of honour as it shows you have won debate. Even better you’ve also upset the lefty. 😂

The problem here is the conflation between these grooming gangs and Islam as a whole. Some are claiming they did it because they are Muslims. This is the equivalent to saying all those paedophile priests over the years did it because they were Catholic or Christian.

The reality is that these groups/people did it because they are criminals, not because of their religion.

The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists etc etc) are decent law-abiding citizens and you will struggle to find anyone defending what these men did in just the same way that you wpuldnt find people in the church defending what these paedophile priests did.

No doubt that the Rotherham case was a bad one because the police and local authorities completely failed these girls, but it's not just Muslim criminals taking advantage of kids in care or from difficult backgrounds.

The idea that the EDL are carrying out some sort of a noble cause by noisily protesting when trials against criminals such as these are going on is beyond laughable. It's dogwhistle politics of the most base type. The prosecutions show that the system is now working and interfering with the trials (and in the case of 'Robinson', potentially risking mistrials) is grandstanding trying to influence the hard of thinking. Seems to be working to some degree, unfortunately.

As for the serial criminal/fraudster/wife-beater/self-priming opportunist 'Tommy Robinson', the fact that he takes his pseudonym from a Luton hoolie tells you all you need to know about the man.

Oh look grandstanding TommyRobinson exposed this mosque over 2 years ago and everyone cried the usual ‘racist’ and ‘islamophobe’ tropes. The BBC reports it 2 years later and everyone is suddenly concerned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44729727

Quoted from barralad

Depends which source you use but a recurring theme is the European colonisation of Central and South America which saw several civilisations completely eradicated.

Talking of body counts, Muslim historian Firishta [full name Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah, born in 1560 and died in 1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim, was the first to give an idea to the medieval bloodbath that was India during Muslim rule, when he declared that over 400 million Hindus got slaughtered during Muslim invasion and occupation of India. Survivors got enslaved and castrated. India’s population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500’s the Hindu population was 200 million.

Quoted from Maringer

The problem here is the conflation between these grooming gangs and Islam as a whole. Some are claiming they did it because they are Muslims. This is the equivalent to saying all those paedophile priests over the years did it because they were Catholic or Christian.

The reality is that these groups/people did it because they are criminals, not because of their religion.

The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists etc etc) are decent law-abiding citizens and you will struggle to find anyone defending what these men did in just the same way that you wpuldnt find people in the church defending what these paedophile priests did.

No doubt that the Rotherham case was a bad one because the police and local authorities completely failed these girls, but it's not just Muslim criminals taking advantage of kids in care or from difficult backgrounds.

The idea that the EDL are carrying out some sort of a noble cause by noisily protesting when trials against criminals such as these are going on is beyond laughable. It's dogwhistle politics of the most base type. The prosecutions show that the system is now working and interfering with the trials (and in the case of 'Robinson', potentially risking mistrials) is grandstanding trying to influence the hard of thinking. Seems to be working to some degree, unfortunately.

As for the serial criminal/fraudster/wife-beater/self-priming opportunist 'Tommy Robinson', the fact that he takes his pseudonym from a Luton hoolie tells you all you need to know about the man.

Grooming is heinous and anyone involved in it should be chemically castrated. The Muslim grooming gangs are different because they are targeting any young girl who isn't Muslim. they target poor white girls and Sikhs, not Muslims because they want their girls pure so they are virgins when they marry their middle aged husbands.

No other faith allows non followers to be used and abused like the Koran. If you are playing a numbers game there are far more Christians in the world than Muslims so why is it that Muslim grooming gangs far out weight Christian or other faith ones, especially in the UK. Why is it in Norway, Finland, Denmark and other European countries the majority of rapes in most cases 8 / 10 are carried out by Muslims, look at what happened in Cologne over Christmas. The Islam ideology promotes this abuse and it can not be defended.