Is the United Kingdom a free country anymore?

Quoted from Marinerz93

That larger conflict is to spread Islam

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Reading your link, nothing is proven, you have people saying he wasn't a Jihadist, not all jihadists are open about what they do

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he was jailed in 2003 for a military offence, so are Kebabs weapons of mass destruction

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Also Islamic law of estate-distribution is different to other countries laws for inheritance so if he killed them over a row with inheritance which it looks like, then it will be because his share under French law would be half of what he is entitled to under Islamic law, (I think we can determine that this religious grounds)

Quoted from barralad

Mate...are you serious?? Since when has any group right or left had to rely on actual physical presence of a group to groom/radicalise people in this day and age. It's all over the Internet. I applied for a part time job in a school and the training was partly about the risks of radicalisation and how to spot the signs of it and guess what-along with the obvious risks of Moslem radicalisation a significant part dealt with the effect of groups from the right of the political spectrum. Ask yourself in a Unitary Authority where 97% of the inhabitants are white British and most local Muslims work in the NHS or other public services which radicalisation is more likely.

Quoted from ska face

Please don't have me down as some kind of apologist just because I want to see some kind of evidence rather than bigoted guesswork.  I'm not trying to change your view, you've obviously set your stall out in life and have nailed your colours to the mast as someone who'll believe anything and everything dished up as long as it has an anti-Muslim slant. Your view doesn't bother me, but it bothers me that people put such ill-informed rubbish up as unalterable fact to try and convert others to share their narrow minded view of the world.

Quoted from barralad

Your statement about millions of Muslims living under Sharia Law interested me enough to turn to my friend Google and see if indeed it was the case. Unsurprisingly it doesn't appear to be the case. Of course in some countries (particularly those in the Middle East led by Saudi Arabia) it is full Sharia law that rules the roost. However in many many others particularly in Africa and further East in Asia some aspects of Sharia law have been incorporated into legal systems often stemming from those used in the European countries which once colonised that particular country (usually France). The "favourite" parts for incorporation appear to be those that deal with civil matters such as legal questions over inheritance and family matters. Now I'm not at all in favour of the "values" that are prevalent regarding the Sharia view of women etc. but I cannot imagine such rules causing fear and anguish to the extent you seem to be suggesting. I was surprised to read that in some prominent Muslim countries-namely Turkey (where Sharia was expressly banned in 1924) Sharia has no legal basis in the interpretation of law in that country. Like the claim that the U.K. is on the verge of total subjugation to Sharia Law made regularly on Social Media (N.B. I'm not accusing you of making that claim) it smacks of near hysterical over-reaction.
I do remember when the su ject came up before on here a poster pointing out that some of the features of Sharia Law such as those demanding mutilation for the perpetrators of various crimes such as theft and rape would find a great deal of sympathy amongst the more right leaning posters....

Quoted from Marinerz93

If it's on the internet Ian then GCHQ are all over it. Radicalisation is going to happen more in a place where there is conflict rather than none, that's what people who groom/radicalise people go for it's a breeding ground for trouble, it is far less likely to happen here with 97% of the population being white British. There is no angst to feed off.

I can accept that just because I haven't seen it, that it isn't going on, what volumes are you talking about? What evidence is there that there is a right wing problem in this Town.

Quoted from Grim74

I too have had a quick look and found that Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania apply the sharia code predominantly or entirely while it applies in some parts of Indonesia. So I would guesstimate well over 500 million! so yes my point is valid and stands.

Yes 500+ muslims living in peace Because no one wants to break the the law, or even be accused of breaking the law for that matter, because you can expect to be beheaded in the street or even hung from cranes in these lovely Muslim countries. I say we don’t want this kind of Muslim integration  leave them in peace and do not import this barbaric culture because ours is and will always be superior.

You would be correct to point out most Muslim countries like Turkey you mentioned do have a mix of religious and secular laws which practice the less draconian forms of sharia, although In recent years the Turkish government has been going the same way as a lot of these moderate countries by imposing more Sharia. The government now monitor individual freedom and jail anyone they deemed to have insulted the peaceful religion of Islam.

Quoted from barralad

Or of course 500 million might live in peace because, you know, they might just want to get on with their lives like to millions of people who live in this country somehow manage to avoid getting on the wrong side of our laws..
The changes in Turkey by the way have far more to do with Erdogans concerns for his own regime than any religious context and as such are essentially secular.

Quoted from barralad

You have heard of the dark internet I assume. Isn't the problem for the British security services that Muslims living here are being radicalised by propaganda coming from areas where there is conflict? You'd have to ask the education authorities about the scale of the actual problem locally but as I say they are worried enough to provide tips on how to spot the signs.
As for local evidence I'd say trying to burn down a mosque would be right up there. A few months back I watched three blokes refusing to get in a taxi on Top Town rank and abusing the driver for the seemingly heinous crime of being a Somali. I know this because I wanted to get home so was  very glad to get in his car and he told me. He also said that he'd moved here from Swansea because  he'd heard the people were friendlier...

Quoted from Marinerz93

I am well aware of the dark net and the sort of dealings that go on in it and so are the authorities. Muslims living here are more likely to be radicalised in the mosques than dark web, a result of that was one of the Manchester bombers after hearing speaker after speaker at his local mosque calling for Jihad using the Russians and British as reasons why Syrians were being killed. He then bought tickets to the Ariana Grande concert and the death of young girls was the result as challenged by the BBC the Iman walked away from the interview.

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Quoted from Grim74

Difference is we have a legal and justice system whilst they have a 1400 year old book. keep hold of them straws😂