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I am a critic of Artell and want him gone, I thought he's had a couple of really dreadful interviews that show he's surely on his last legs as manager. However that BBC one was better in my opinion. Gave a reasonable and valid explanation as to the Hunt loan, even if I do think it's a big short term risk given our precarious position and potential need for him to change things up.
Also said Thompson absence was just a niggle, not sure I believe him but hopefully means even if it was a disagreement they have made up, we'rr surely gonna need him, so that's a relief.
As for the data thing he gave a better explanation of his thinking than previously, not a high bar but he still came across better imo. I'd like to know what he means by 'the data' shows us as improving. Yes he referred to xg but what else? If it's possession and number of passes then possession between GK and CB or passes between CBs are irrelevant for winning matches but would contribute to a misleading 'improvement' in stats.
Our xg might be improving but what about the issue with teams actual goals against us going up when their xg is low?
So although he sounded fine to me in his arguments I'd like to be able to interrogate him more on his analysis of the data, which obviously you can't do unless your on the board, but the interview was fine on the surface.
I think we've got him as manager for at least 2 more games barring a heavy defeat today, and even that might not do for him, would possibly depends on FG and Sutton results.
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HerveJosse |
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Judging improvement based on XG rather then actual goals ls like determining election results by opinion polls rather then actual votes .
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GollyGTFC |
February 24, 2024, 10:12am |
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I am a critic of Artell and want him gone, I thought he's had a couple of really dreadful interviews that show he's surely on his last legs as manager. However that BBC one was better in my opinion. Gave a reasonable and valid explanation as to the Hunt loan, even if I do think it's a big short term risk given our precarious position and potential need for him to change things up.
Also said Thompson absence was just a niggle, not sure I believe him but hopefully means even if it was a disagreement they have made up, we'rr surely gonna need him, so that's a relief.
As for the data thing he gave a better explanation of his thinking than previously, not a high bar but he still came across better imo. I'd like to know what he means by 'the data' shows us as improving. Yes he referred to xg but what else? If it's possession and number of passes then possession between GK and CB or passes between CBs are irrelevant for winning matches but would contribute to a misleading 'improvement' in stats.
Our xg might be improving but what about the issue with teams actual goals against us going up when their xg is low?
So although he sounded fine to me in his arguments I'd like to be able to interrogate him more on his analysis of the data, which obviously you can't do unless your on the board, but the interview was fine on the surface.
I think we've got him as manager for at least 2 more games barring a heavy defeat today, and even that might not do for him, would possibly depends on FG and Sutton results.
If you're 2/3-0 down at home after 8/14/28 minutes all subsequent data from the match is pointless. The opposition are in game management mode and keeping it tight. DA is clutching at straws if he thinks anyone cares how the stats look good when the game is already lost.
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GollyGTFC |
February 24, 2024, 10:15am |
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Judging improvement based on XG rather then actual goals ls like determining election results by opinion polls rather then actual votes .
Yeah. The only stats that ultimately matter are goals scored and goals conceded. If you get both of them right then other important stats (wins, league points, goal difference, clean sheets) take care of themselves. xG is a stat quoted by losers.
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February 24, 2024, 11:19am |
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The odds on our games are often strange. The bookies seem to think we are better than we are. At home we are normally evens or odds on and away there isn't normally much in ot unless we are playing one of the big boys.
If you had bet against us every week you surely would've made a decent profit. I think Doncaster were 11/4. Jesus then there was Tranmere, Walsall, Colchester, Crawley, probably more.
Tranmere and Colchester are both 15/8 to each win at forest green and Sutton respectively. So somewhere around a 7/1 double which isn’t a bad bet. Although I guess anything can happen where form goes out the window.
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toontown |
February 24, 2024, 11:20am |
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If you're 2/3-0 down at home after 8/14/28 minutes all subsequent data from the match is pointless. The opposition are in game management mode and keeping it tight. DA is clutching at straws if he thinks anyone cares how the stats look good when the game is already lost.
Yeah that's probably a fair point. JS at the away game, do they go to every away game? Could that be a sign this is Artell's equivalent of Doncaster away - lose and your out?
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pen penfras |
February 24, 2024, 11:40am |
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Yeah that's probably a fair point.
JS at the away game, do they go to every away game? Could that be a sign this is Artell's equivalent of Doncaster away - lose and your out?
They don't even go to every home game.
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February 24, 2024, 12:07pm |
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Tranmere and Colchester are both 15/8 to each win at forest green and Sutton respectively. So somewhere around a 7/1 double which isn’t a bad bet. Although I guess anything can happen where form goes out the window.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we all lost again though Sutton and Forest green haven't looked completely shite recently. I was talking about all the games we have lost at home. The away team has been 2,3 or even 4 to 1 for most of them. Can't remember what Stockport were, I'm thinking only just odds on but can't remember. That was a bloody good bet.
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WOZOFGRIMSBY |
February 24, 2024, 12:29pm |
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we all lost again though Sutton and Forest green haven't looked completely shite recently.
I was talking about all the games we have lost at home. The away team has been 2,3 or even 4 to 1 for most of them. Can't remember what Stockport were, I'm thinking only just odds on but can't remember. That was a bloody good bet.
Stockport I think we’re 11/10. Donny we’re 11/4
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CSLM |
February 24, 2024, 12:47pm |
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Just listened to the humberside one. I think I'm in the minority but I like his interviews, really tries to answer the questions. He does contradict himself a bit with the stats and then saying that you can make data say anything but overall I thought it was a decent interview.
Don't know why but it made me think if only we had Ryan Bennett sorting the defence out.
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