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So to make your opinion known you will exercise your right to demonstrate in a peaceful manner and in return you will expect your protest to be noted and that you won't be persecuted for expressing your right of free speech.

Fancy that.......


Yes thats correct
BLM have there views, I don't agree with them but they have every right to air those views as have I.


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Millwall statement.

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QPR have informed Millwall that a selection of their players wish to take the knee as a way of showing their support for anti-discrimination efforts – a gesture which the club respects and it firmly asks all those in attendance to do likewise



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You’re completely right. There’s far more racism in football than what sky sports portray. You’re either anti racist, or racist. Pick your side.

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Simply trying to guage the support for taking a knee via an easy to view poll. As I don't believe it's a cut and dried as media outlets like Sky Sports News / TalkSport will have you believe.




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I'm happy for the players to take the knee if they want to It's a choice

People need to look at  the origins of BLM and realise why it was formed to bring attention to the police in USA murdering black people which is still happening now and been condoned by the Tyrant that is Trump.

Would any of you like to be abused mentally and physically at work every week like the black players of the 70-80"s remember the Story of John Barnes returning from Brazil in 84 returning on the plane to be told by some scumbag racist his Goal didn't count because he was black and not English.

The bended knee is a new form of expression that racism still exists may be a new form of expression is needed and taking the knee should stop not because it's wrong but because it's served it's purpose


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To deal with the poll question first, I would wholeheartedly support our players in taking the knee and, frankly, I am dismayed that so many respondents apparently do not share that view. But it seems to me that there are two issues which have made the gesture far more controversial than it ever needed to be.

The first, and most fundamental, is the central message of the Black Lives Matter movement and the willingness of its detractors to either ignore or distort it. We should remember the horrific death in the United States that was the catalyst for the movement in the first place and reflect too on cases in our own country where people have unnecessarily suffered because of their skin colour. To say that "all lives matter" is to miss the point. They should, of course, but history tells us that black lives have not mattered as much as others and, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, that remains an issue today.

Nor should we be distracted by the arguments of those who claim they oppose Black Lives Matter on political grounds. It is not a political stance to believe that people should be treated equally regardless of the colour of their skin. We ought to be able to disagree with ideas expressed or actions carried out in its name, without opposing the core message. But to boo the gesture or to say one opposes the movement on the basis of one's own perception of its politics risks an implied endorsement of racism and we should all reflect on that.

The second issue is the length of time over which sportspeople have been taking the knee and the question of whether the message has been blunted in that period. After reading Les Ferdinand's views on the subject in particular, I did wonder whether it had run its course. But, last Saturday, I attended the Portsmouth v King's Lynn FA Cup tie for work and saw the two teams take the knee before kickoff. It was the first time I had seen it in person, rather than on television, and it made me think about the issue in a way that I probably hadn't done since I first saw it after the Premier League's resumption. That experience, together with the weekend's events, leads me to the conclusion that the message needs to be reinforced. If our players can make even a small contribution to that, then I, for one, would applaud them for doing so.
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You lost all credibility when you said "daft bint". Nothing to do with irony but you condemn racism by using a sexist remark.


Oh for felicitations sake If you can't get him as a racist you'll get him for being sexist!



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For those who think town players should continue taking the knee when do you think the right time for them to stop will be?


When those who want to stop can do so without incurring the displeasure of those team mates who want to continue and won't be afraid of being pilloried because they have stopped.



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To deal with the poll question first, I would wholeheartedly support our players in taking the knee and, frankly, I am dismayed that so many respondents apparently do not share that view. But it seems to me that there are two issues which have made the gesture far more controversial than it ever needed to be.

The first, and most fundamental, is the central message of the Black Lives Matter movement and the willingness of its detractors to either ignore or distort it. We should remember the horrific death in the United States that was the catalyst for the movement in the first place and reflect too on cases in our own country where people have unnecessarily suffered because of their skin colour. To say that "all lives matter" is to miss the point. They should, of course, but history tells us that black lives have not mattered as much as others and, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, that remains an issue today.

Nor should we be distracted by the arguments of those who claim they oppose Black Lives Matter on political grounds. It is not a political stance to believe that people should be treated equally regardless of the colour of their skin. We ought to be able to disagree with ideas expressed or actions carried out in its name, without opposing the core message. But to boo the gesture or to say one opposes the movement on the basis of one's own perception of its politics risks an implied endorsement of racism and we should all reflect on that.

The second issue is the length of time over which sportspeople have been taking the knee and the question of whether the message has been blunted in that period. After reading Les Ferdinand's views on the subject in particular, I did wonder whether it had run its course. But, last Saturday, I attended the Portsmouth v King's Lynn FA Cup tie for work and saw the two teams take the knee before kickoff. It was the first time I had seen it in person, rather than on television, and it made me think about the issue in a way that I probably hadn't done since I first saw it after the Premier League's resumption. That experience, together with the weekend's events, leads me to the conclusion that the message needs to be reinforced. If our players can make even a small contribution to that, then I, for one, would applaud them for doing so.


BLM is a registered political party.
Therefore taking the knee in support of them is political.


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No. Millwall are apparently now going to stand and link arms. Good for them support without political affilliations
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BLM is a registered political party.
Therefore taking the knee in support of them is political.


Registered with whom? The Electoral Commission? There are 52 pages of applications for political party registration published on its website for 2020. None of them are for Black Lives Matter or BLM. Nor were there any last year or the year before that. And Black Lives Matter's UK website claims that it is not a member of nor affiliated with any political party. So, no, taking the knee isn't a political gesture.
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