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When the left win an election they can set the agenda. That is the way it has worked up to this point.
Of course you can't see any of my points as you come from a completely different perspective but I bet "millions of ordinary Britons " do indeed recognise my point of mob rule aided and abetted by a cowed media.
Fair enough you don't want a reasoned debate.
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The arguments around the NHS have been done to death on here and elsewhere but the fight against Covid-19 has showed the consequences of 10 years of underfunding-report findings ignored etc. etc. resulting in the deaths of hundreds of peoplease who had the right to be protected in their place of work. If the country is to deal with potentially second and further waves of this or even new viruses then I'm afraid more money will have to be spent on the NHS and the Government will have to reprioritise their commitments.
Just how much more money would you like spending on it? Where would the extra billions come from? Would you be happy,say, if we scrapped the overseas aid budget and gave it all to the NHS? I have used the NHS all my life and there has never been a problem that wasn't reasonable. What you want is nirvana but it is not possible. And why is everything the government's fault? What about the hundreds of highly paid middle managers who are paid to ensure the NHS runs smoothly- should they not be blamed? How about reducing the less important services which are cosmetic or refusing to treat drunks and drug users that infest the service?
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Fair enough you don't want a reasoned debate.
I will defend my political beliefs as fiercely as you do yours.
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Just how much more money would you like spending on it? Where would the extra billions come from? Would you be happy,say, if we scrapped the overseas aid budget and gave it all to the NHS?
I have used the NHS all my life and there has never been a problem that wasn't reasonable.
What you want is nirvana but it is not possible.
And why is everything the government's fault? What about the hundreds of highly paid middle managers who are paid to ensure the NHS runs smoothly- should they not be blamed?
How about reducing the less important services which are cosmetic or refusing to treat drunks and drug users that infest the service?
Seeing as how you've asked:- I'd scrap HS2 -if the pandemic has shown anything it has shown that there is no need for businessmen to have to get from London to Birmingham 15 minutes quicker. I wouldn't upgrade Trident. I'd add 1p in the pound to the rate of Income Tax and ring fence the money for the NHS. I certainly wouldn't play God and decide who could or couldn't be treated.
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I will defend my political beliefs as fiercely as you do yours.
"Fiercely"? I was hoping that in the spirit of reasonable debate you might try to answer some of the points I raised. Your choice of course but a shame. Still I had as much flak from people on the far left for my views on history (in particular statues) as I have from the Right on here.
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What is my agenda?
And I stand corrected as regards the left wing politics comment, that was another poster.
Do you oppose the black lives matter movement?
As regards your agenda it is my humble opinion that anyone who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement you assume is a racist. As regards left wing politics it looks like support is ebbing away from the BLM with some high profile black ex players, Sky Sports pundits, the BBC and now the Premier League because of its extreme left wing views, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne.....dium=liftigniter-rhr It seems the leader of the BLM may be a racist for his views on Israel. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne.....-says-GUY-ADAMS.htmlI would hate it if anyone would say "I told you so"
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As regards your agenda it is my humble opinion that anyone who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement you assume is a racist. As regards left wing politics it looks like support is ebbing away from the BLM with some high profile black ex players, Sky Sports pundits, the BBC and now the Premier League because of its extreme left wing views, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne.....dium=liftigniter-rhr It seems the leader of the BLM may be a racist for his views on Israel. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne.....-says-GUY-ADAMS.htmlI would hate it if anyone would say "I told you so"
Another day and another bandwagon hits the buffers. The hard left cannot win elections so they try to ride on the back of protest movements to get the societal changes they want. It is never going to happen but if they want to spend their time trying that's up to them.
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Just how much more money would you like spending on it? Where would the extra billions come from? Would you be happy,say, if we scrapped the overseas aid budget and gave it all to the NHS?
How about reducing the less important services which are cosmetic or refusing to treat drunks and drug users that infest the service?
Both of these get a yes from me
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Would you be happy,say, if we scrapped the overseas aid budget and gave it all to the NHS?
Put me down for that as well as scrapping HS2 and there will be about at the very least £120 billion if not double that if HS2 costs soar as any Goverment's projects usually do.
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Scrap HS2 gets a yes from me a complete waste of money.
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