Anti-racism protests

Quoted from barralad

I hadn't really noticed that to be fair. The Black Power Movement was of its time. It's kind of funny that we are still talking about something that happened 52 years ago. Depending on your point of view that could suggest that the gesture did its job..funnily enough I was playing in an on-line quiz at the weekend and that picture was shown. The question was "Who was the white athlete who finished second?" I didn't have a clue.
Not sure why it has come into play now but would agree it's not about "Black Power".

The athlete who came 2nd at the 1968 Olympics and won Silver in the 200 metres was Peter Norman. He wore an 'Olympic project for human rights' badge when taking to the podium as a show of support for Tommie Smith and John Carlos. From that point he was ostracised by the Australian Olympic committee and the Australian media and despite qualifying for the subsequent Olympics the Australian committee would not send him, he was also made unwelcome at the 2000 Sydney Olympics unlike other previous Australian medal winning athletes who were invited to present medals.

There is a great documentary about it called The Salute.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It doesn't seem to matter what government we elect we seem to be ruled by mob hatred of our history and culture,aided and abetted by the media who seem scared to put the majority view forward.

We will become a powder keg soon if there I'd not a balanced discussion to be had about the future of the UK.

I'm not trying to be clever/funny here but if asking for a balanced discussion probably best to avoid phrases like "mob hatred of our history and culture aided and abetted by the media".  I and I'm sure millions of ordinary British folk do not recognise that description.
Attitudes change over time and I see no problem with children being educated for example that not only did Robert Clive "win" India for the British Empire but that the East India Company relied on the sometimes ruthless subjugation of the native Indian population in order to extract the maximum wealth. It doesn't change what happened and that Britain became the world's most powerful country for the best part of 200 years benefitting our ancestors. I'm not at all sure that anything is to be gained by today's generations apologising for what went on. Attitudes change and at the height of the Empire we were still sending British children up chimneys or putting them to work in workhouses.
I confess to being confused by your use of the phrase "majority view". Who makes up this majority and which particular view is being ignored?
As for the media assistance I couldn't disagree more strongly. Firstly may I recommend watching any of the niche history programmes brilliantly put together by the BBC and SKY for unbiased appraisal of all aspects of our history. Secondly our media contains aspects which have spent years fomenting the very problems you hope to avoid. There is nothing balanced about the coverage of minorities or history of the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and on the left the Mirror and Guardian. Criticism of the media is something that appears to have escalated recently when they have published/broadcast inconvenient truths which have challenged people's perceptions.
We can and surely should rejoice in our victories against the likes of aggressors such as Philip II of Spain (The Armada) and Napoleon (perm any one from several magnificent leaders and victories) but it doesn't do any harm to recognise that we were not without fault in many cases.

Quoted from barralad

I hadn't really noticed that to be fair. The Black Power Movement was of its time. It's kind of funny that we are still talking about something that happened 52 years ago. Depending on your point of view that could suggest that the gesture did its job..funnily enough I was playing in an on-line quiz at the weekend and that picture was shown. The question was "Who was the white athlete who finished second?" I didn't have a clue.
Not sure why it has come into play now but would agree it's not about "Black Power".

The Telewag printed a photograph of a BLM march / demo in Hull a few days ago. Firstly I couldn't see many black faces anyway but what struck me most was the sight of two young white women right at the front centre shot both with a raised clenched fist as had many many others in the background

If the 1968 protest has had its day why are so many using it in 2020,as in the Spectator photo above, both players are doing it, I don't know who they are their shirts say they are called 'Black Lives Matter', thankfully the referee is not.

So many have jumped on it that the band wagon must surely be overcrowded now

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

The athlete who came 2nd at the 1968 Olympics and won Silver in the 200 metres was Peter Norman. He wore an 'Olympic project for human rights' badge when taking to the podium as a show of support for Tommie Smith and John Carlos. From that point he was ostracised by the Australian Olympic committee and the Australian media and despite qualifying for the subsequent Olympics the Australian committee would not send him, he was also made unwelcome at the 2000 Sydney Olympics unlike other previous Australian medal winning athletes who were invited to present medals.

There is a great documentary about it called The Salute.

Thanks for posting...

Quoted from Ipswin

The Telewag printed a photograph of a BLM march / demo in Hull a few days ago. Firstly I couldn't see many black faces anyway but what struck me most was the sight of two young white women right at the front centre shot both with a raised clenched fist as had many many others in the background

If the 1968 protest has had its day why are so many using it in 2020,as in the Spectator photo above, both players are doing it, I don't know who they are their shirts say they are called 'Black Lives Matter', thankfully the referee is not.

So many have jumped on it that the band wagon must surely be overcrowded now

My last point..It could be argued that Black Lives Matter marches consisting only of black people would have an aspect of preaching to the converted. For me there is some powerful message in white people getting behind the movement. Yeah I get that there is a lot of bandwagon jumping-it happens. One only has to look at the increasingly bizarre clapping for the NHS "rituals" often by people who must have voted for the party that cannot under any circumstances be described as the friend of the NHS.

Quoted from barralad

My last point..It could be argued that Black Lives Matter marches consisting only of black people would have an aspect of preaching to the converted. For me there is some powerful message in white people getting behind the movement. Yeah I get that there is a lot of bandwagon jumping-it happens. One only has to look at the increasingly bizarre clapping for the NHS "rituals" often by people who must have voted for the party that cannot under any circumstances be described as the friend of the NHS.

Superb point. The pandemic may have led the government to rethink its policy of dismantling sections of the NHS and selling it off to the highest bidder. Although, not even sure that Boris's brush with death (as we are led to believe) will see him shift from this stance.

Quoted from barralad

I'm not trying to be clever/funny here but if asking for a balanced discussion probably best to avoid phrases like "mob hatred of our history and culture aided and abetted by the media".  I and I'm sure millions of ordinary British folk do not recognise that description.
Attitudes change over time and I see no problem with children being educated for example that not only did Robert Clive "win" India for the British Empire but that the East India Company relied on the sometimes ruthless subjugation of the native Indian population in order to extract the maximum wealth. It doesn't change what happened and that Britain became the world's most powerful country for the best part of 200 years benefitting our ancestors. I'm not at all sure that anything is to be gained by today's generations apologising for what went on. Attitudes change and at the height of the Empire we were still sending British children up chimneys or putting them to work in workhouses.
I confess to being confused by your use of the phrase "majority view". Who makes up this majority and which particular view is being ignored?
As for the media assistance I couldn't disagree more strongly. Firstly may I recommend watching any of the niche history programmes brilliantly put together by the BBC and SKY for unbiased appraisal of all aspects of our history. Secondly our media contains aspects which have spent years fomenting the very problems you hope to avoid. There is nothing balanced about the coverage of minorities or history of the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and on the left the Mirror and Guardian. Criticism of the media is something that appears to have escalated recently when they have published/broadcast inconvenient truths which have challenged people's perceptions.
We can and surely should rejoice in our victories against the likes of aggressors such as Philip II of Spain (The Armada) and Napoleon (perm any one from several magnificent leaders and victories) but it doesn't do any harm to recognise that we were not without fault in many cases.

When the left win an election they can set the agenda. That is the way it has worked up to this point.

Of course you can't see any of my points as you come from a completely different perspective but I bet "millions of ordinary Britons " do indeed recognise my point of mob rule aided and abetted by a cowed media.

Quoted from smokey111

What is my agenda?

And I stand corrected as regards the left wing politics comment, that was another poster.

Do you oppose the  black lives matter movement?

I oppose anyone who takes to violence on the streets of this country.

Quoted from barralad

I hadn't really noticed that to be fair. The Black Power Movement was of its time. It's kind of funny that we are still talking about something that happened 52 years ago. Depending on your point of view that could suggest that the gesture did its job..funnily enough I was playing in an on-line quiz at the weekend and that picture was shown. The question was "Who was the white athlete who finished second?" I didn't have a clue.
Not sure why it has come into play now but would agree it's not about "Black Power".

But this is the issue, the original stance taken was not accoring to Tommie Smith about Black Power, but about Human Rights....it seems confrontational to me.  The other thing about this, is would they do it in a full stadium? Are players from lower leagues to be given the opportunity, and how woudl that play out?

Quoted from arryarryarry

I oppose anyone who takes to violence on the streets of this country.

Common ground at last!!!😉

Still not sure of my agenda though?!?!