Anti-racism protests

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Of course you could look at Census returns but I won’t bore you with it.

Like I said in a previous post, this simple generalising does not work. Remember the problems in Boston for example? The incomers there were largely east European but they put a tremendous strain on schools, social and medical services because of their sheer numbers and lack of English.

The issues in Leicester (Burnley, Doncaster ..... ) are also more complex. The immigration of older family is one of the reasons for a high percentage of non-English speakers. The immigrant communities are not homogeneous either. There is antipathy (posh word for racism really) between groups that come from different countries/areas in the sub-continent. This has always been the case but we rarely hear of it because of the closed nature of immigrant communities.

It is wrong to call this issue as a one-stop problem with a one-stop solution. It is also wrong to casually call racist anyone who dares to raise the issue.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-fi.....or-free-school-meals

It may be worth a look at the performance of different ethnic groups in school. It would suggest that those with 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation migrant background perform better in secondary school than their white British peers. This would suggest that the level of English is very high if not universal amongst 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation migrants.
Students from a Black Caribbean and traveller communities are the worst performers although both ethnicities 1st language is generally English.


I would suggest that idea that 4th generation migrant descendants not speaking English is fake news.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I knew we could rely on you to state the bleeding obvious.

If you want to talk about staying the obvious, I’d start with the fact that migrants being net contributors to the economy is not the reason that services and infrastructure is stretched, but its a direct outgrowth of cuts and a lack of investment infrastructure which is entirely ideological.

Still, you carry on talking your garbage.

Lets just clear one or two things up.

I am certainly not a racist. I have never been a racist and will never be a racist.

My comments were that the UK should have a more restrictive immigration policy, points-based.

This is current government policy and it is one of the many reasons I voted Conservative like millions of others and why the Conservatives romped home with an 80 seat majority, so I am certainly not in a minority.

The reason I want to have some controls over immigration (and the government to actually use those powers) is nothing to do with racism whatsoever, it is because of the strain unlimited immigration is putting on local communities, in terms of housing, infrastructure, schooling, social services and the NHS. That is my view. Too many people over too short a time frame will obviously put communities under stress. That is my view. I also think that multiculturalism, as it was envisaged, has not worked because too many areas have remained too white, and too many areas have remained too ethnic. That is also my view.

The third and fourth generation immigrants discussion about Leicester was all over the media last week - I thought even some community leaders were worried that the governments message was not getting through due to language difficulties. In any event I do not spend hours checking every fact that appears on my newsfeed - I don't think many people do, but if you are one of them that does then congratulations.

What has got me very upity on here is the notion that if you are a fraction to the right of Richard Burgon you are literally Hitler. This simply has to stop. Free speech is everything, and shouting down people who lead exemplary lives but have a different view of politics is not on.

I lost my temper with one or two posters who tried to portray me as a cross between Ghengis Khan and Satan, and I am sorry about that but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Some arrogant posters will say they will "call me out" on it, just for daring to speak any opinion other than the one they approve of. I will continue to speak on any subject I want, how I want,  when I want.

For now however, this is my last post on this particular thread.

PS the BNP reference was obviously a joke, but if I read something in a right of centre paper, which probably confirms my world view, how is that any different to reading a left of centre paper which guess what - confirms your world view?!

“literally Hitler”

“a cross between Ghengis Khan and Satan”


Embarrassing. This is the right when you dare tell them they are wrong and even give them empirical evidence to prove it. The inferiority and victim complex which shapes their world is clear for all to see in this thread. I’m just ashamed that it has been allowed to shape this country into such a cesspit.

Quoted from ska face

If you want to talk about staying the obvious, I’d start with the fact that migrants being net contributors to the economy is not the reason that services and infrastructure is stretched, but its a direct outgrowth of cuts and a lack of investment infrastructure which is entirely ideological.

Still, you carry on talking your garbage.

Your problem is that you never read anything That people put before you type a diatribe. I have already said that this one-size-fits-all notion of immigration is bunkum. So is the one-size-fits-all labelling of anyone who wants to raise an issue over immigration as racist.

The Boston example is a good case study. The rapid influx of immigrants caused immediate problems as I said. There was a shortage of trained teachers who could speak the various languages, there were issues with the translation of documents etc. There were funding troubles and outside of the harvest season there was a benefits overload. Over the country if you take immigration as a whole I.e. including all the qualified doctors and so on, then you can justifiably say there is a net benefit. But clearly life is not as simple as you would like it to be because you will always get areas where the situation is reversed. I suspect you could go through the London boroughs for instance and find some with huge net Immigration benefit and others with deficit. That is why I take issue with those simplistic one dimensional views.

The same applies to the white objectors in local areas. Are all BNP voters de facto fascists? That is as much nonsense as saying all BLM marchers are communist. You have to look at who they are and what they are saying and why. You cannot just denigrate people because you disagree with them. The Bradford headmaster Ray Honeyford pointed out in the 70s that multiculturalism and a failure to integrate immigrant children in schools would lead to ghettoising and problems.

So now we have Muslim schools masquerading as Cof E. we have a substantial percentage of the population in some areas who take more note of sharia law than English law. We have a substantial sexist issue, we have FGM as a common practice hidden away. We have child abuse as a routine event covered up for fear of being called out as racist. Then there is the elephant of terrorism. You cannot just ignore these things, pretend they don’t exist and hide behind some nice global stats and a few insults. They do exist, how do we deal with them? Answers on a postcard.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The Boston example is a good case study. The rapid influx of immigrants caused immediate problems as I said. There was a shortage of trained teachers who could speak the various languages, there wereues with the translation of documents etc. There were funding troubles and outside of the harvest

So now we have Muslim schools masquerading as Cof E. we have a substantial percentage of the population in some areas who take more note of sharia law than English law. We have a substantial sexist issue, we have FGM as a common practice hidden away. We have child abuse as a routine event covered up for fear of being called out as racist. Then there is the elephant of terrorism. You cannot just ignore these things, pretend they don’t exist and hide behind some nice global stats and a few insults. They do exist, how do we deal with them? Answers on a postcard.

I think like anything you do need a level of control and there has in some areas been to many people coming into a area and stretching local resources. The same analogy can be seen in nature eg to many animals coming to the watering hole and not enough resources for all which creates problems.

Give it time though and the world will probably be more homogenous.  You only have to look at Brazil for one where years of mixing the races creates a mulato race.

Theres some good people on this forum on both sides of the political divide eg yourself and codcheeky to name but a few. That's ultimately what's important though eg good character in this life as in the end that trumps all.

Quoted from Rick12

Valid point eg I know there has been  tension amongst African and Jamaicans for one.Having lived  in London for over 20 years  there are issues with some people eg some Muslims not mingling that much due to the differences in ideology.On the other hand though Ive met some very nice Muslims.Hence good and bad in every race.

This post has got 2 crosses n 0 ticks so far.  Unbelievable.  The poster has made valid points and I have also noticed racism between different races.  It doesn’t just come from whites against blacks/Asians etc. It is sad that racism exists between so many different races.  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Your problem is that you never read anything That people put before you type a diatribe. I have already said that this one-size-fits-all notion of immigration is bunkum. So is the one-size-fits-all labelling of anyone who wants to raise an issue over immigration as racist.

The Boston example is a good case study. The rapid influx of immigrants caused immediate problems as I said. There was a shortage of trained teachers who could speak the various languages, there were issues with the translation of documents etc. There were funding troubles and outside of the harvest season there was a benefits overload. Over the country if you take immigration as a whole I.e. including all the qualified doctors and so on, then you can justifiably say there is a net benefit. But clearly life is not as simple as you would like it to be because you will always get areas where the situation is reversed. I suspect you could go through the London boroughs for instance and find some with huge net Immigration benefit and others with deficit. That is why I take issue with those simplistic one dimensional views.

The same applies to the white objectors in local areas. Are all BNP voters de facto fascists? That is as much nonsense as saying all BLM marchers are communist. You have to look at who they are and what they are saying and why. You cannot just denigrate people because you disagree with them. The Bradford headmaster Ray Honeyford pointed out in the 70s that multiculturalism and a failure to integrate immigrant children in schools would lead to ghettoising and problems.

So now we have Muslim schools masquerading as Cof E. we have a substantial percentage of the population in some areas who take more note of sharia law than English law. We have a substantial sexist issue, we have FGM as a common practice hidden away. We have child abuse as a routine event covered up for fear of being called out as racist. Then there is the elephant of terrorism. You cannot just ignore these things, pretend they don’t exist and hide behind some nice global stats and a few insults. They do exist, how do we deal with them? Answers on a postcard.

To the underlined, yes absolutely, they are a far right fascist group.

Quoted from paulgtfc

This post has got 2 crosses n 0 ticks so far.  Unbelievable.  The poster has made valid points and I have also noticed racism between different races.  It doesn’t just come from whites against blacks/Asians etc. It is sad that racism exists between so many different races.  

Its ok Paul truth often hurts and some people dont like brute honesty. The most likes/dislikes doesnt mean one iota on a small club forum in the grand scheme of things. As I've noted before for me environmental  issues are the most pressing concerns going forward.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

To the underlined, yes absolutely, they are a far right fascist group.

That is rubbish. I said voters not members. Very big difference, The voters in Burnley for example are not fascist, they voted BNP because it seemed like the only party at the time that expressed some of their thoughts. It is much more like a protest vote against the established parties than any endorsement of the policies.