Anti-racism protests

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

To people like Ska even this reasonable post I put earlier in this argument proves I am an intolerable racist bigot and all the other insults he can find to throw my way.

This was in response to the lockdown in Leicester where it was stated that some 3rd and 4th generation immigrants could not speak English and were unaware of the rules about lockdown because of it.

Now some posters will disagree and no one would have a problem with that, but Ska and his mates will not accept that anybody else has an equally valid, but very different view.

3rd and 4th generations not speaking English is a  complete myth, you would struggle to find many first  generation immigrants who cannot at the least get by,  this is the sort of nonsense put out by the right wing and Mail, I cannot believe you seriously believe this
Closer to the truth is many immigrants see the chance for education and are much stricter in making sure that their kids make the most of it and make a better life.

Please point out we’re the research that shows this comes from, and please don’t point to an article in The Mail

Quoted from codcheeky

3rd and 4th generations not speaking English is a  complete myth, you would struggle to find many first  generation immigrants who cannot at the least get by,  this is the sort of nonsense put out by the right wing and Mail, I cannot believe you seriously believe this
Closer to the truth is many immigrants see the chance for education and are much stricter in making sure that their kids make the most of it and make a better life.

Please point out we’re the research that shows this comes from, and please don’t point to an article in The Mail

It was on the BNP website.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was on the BNP website.

Perhaps this is an attempt at a jest but obviously it is either this or you just made it up because it fits your racist beliefs.

Quoted from codcheeky

Perhaps this is an attempt at a jest but obviously it is either this or you just made it up because it fits your racist beliefs.

I would be very very careful throwing around accusations like that.

Quoted from codcheeky

3rd and 4th generations not speaking English is a  complete myth, you would struggle to find many first  generation immigrants who cannot at the least get by,  this is the sort of nonsense put out by the right wing and Mail, I cannot believe you seriously believe this
Closer to the truth is many immigrants see the chance for education and are much stricter in making sure that their kids make the most of it and make a better life.

Please point out we’re the research that shows this comes from, and please don’t point to an article in The Mail

Of course you could look at Census returns but I won’t bore you with it.

Like I said in a previous post, this simple generalising does not work. Remember the problems in Boston for example? The incomers there were largely east European but they put a tremendous strain on schools, social and medical services because of their sheer numbers and lack of English.

The issues in Leicester (Burnley, Doncaster ..... ) are also more complex. The immigration of older family is one of the reasons for a high percentage of non-English speakers. The immigrant communities are not homogeneous either. There is antipathy (posh word for racism really) between groups that come from different countries/areas in the sub-continent. This has always been the case but we rarely hear of it because of the closed nature of immigrant communities.

It is wrong to call this issue as a one-stop problem with a one-stop solution. It is also wrong to casually call racist anyone who dares to raise the issue.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The issues in Leicester (Burnley, Doncaster ..... ) are also more complex. The immigration of older family is one of the reasons for a high percentage of non-English speakers. The immigrant communities are not homogeneous either. There is antipathy (posh word for racism really) between groups that come from different countries/areas in the sub-continent. This has always been the case but we rarely hear of it because of the closed nature of immigrant communities.

Valid point eg I know there has been  tension amongst African and Jamaicans for one.Having lived  in London for over 20 years  there are issues with some people eg some Muslims not mingling that much due to the differences in ideology.On the other hand though Ive met some very nice Muslims.Hence good and bad in every race.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Of course you could look at Census returns but I won’t bore you with it.

Like I said in a previous post, this simple generalising does not work. Remember the problems in Boston for example? The incomers there were largely east European but they put a tremendous strain on schools, social and medical services because of their sheer numbers and lack of English.

The issues in Leicester (Burnley, Doncaster ..... ) are also more complex. The immigration of older family is one of the reasons for a high percentage of non-English speakers. The immigrant communities are not homogeneous either. There is antipathy (posh word for racism really) between groups that come from different countries/areas in the sub-continent. This has always been the case but we rarely hear of it because of the closed nature of immigrant communities.

It is wrong to call this issue as a one-stop problem with a one-stop solution. It is also wrong to casually call racist anyone who dares to raise the issue.

I would say that to say third and forth generation cannot communicate in English with no other evidence than a BNP website is a pretty racist attitude, anyone wanting to read a BNP website for information to put on a message board should consider the validity of their source, this  attempt to stereotype whole communities is racist whether intended or not.  
I am not against the control of immigration , the fact employers will exploit it as a source of cheap Labour is not new. It suits farmers to pay gangmasters in places like Boston rather than proper wages and national insurance contributions.  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Of course you could look at Census returns but I won’t bore you with it.

Don’t worry, I’ve done it for you.

From the entire U.K. population, the 2011 census found 138,000 people who didn’t speak English or Welsh at all  Looking into those a bit deeper, 118,000 of those people were born outside of the U.K. So now you’re looking at 20,000 people, and this included, for example, people whose main language was a sign language.

So, from a population of around 68million, you’ve got at most 20,000 people born here don’t speak English, and a substantial number of those do it in sign language.

So not quite the problem of 4th generation immigrants not speaking English and claiming benefits that we were led to believe.

Quoted from ska face

Don’t worry, I’ve done it for you.

From the entire U.K. population, the 2011 census found 138,000 people who didn’t speak English or Welsh at all  Looking into those a bit deeper, 118,000 of those people were born outside of the U.K. So now you’re looking at 20,000 people, and this included, for example, people whose main language was a sign language.

So, from a population of around 68million, you’ve got at most 20,000 people born here don’t speak English, and a substantial number of those do it in sign language.

So not quite the problem of 4th generation immigrants not speaking English and claiming benefits that we were led to believe.

I knew we could rely on you to state the bleeding obvious.

Quoted from codcheeky

I would say that to say third and forth generation cannot communicate in English with no other evidence than a BNP website is a pretty racist attitude, anyone wanting to read a BNP website for information to put on a message board should consider the validity of their source, this  attempt to stereotype whole communities is racist whether intended or not.  
I am not against the control of immigration , the fact employers will exploit it as a source of cheap Labour is not new. It suits farmers to pay gangmasters in places like Boston rather than proper wages and national insurance contributions.  

Whoosh !!