Trouble in Cleethorpes

Quoted from Mariner93er

You can blame the police, the club or anyone you want for the trouble, but ultimately it all boils down to the fans (or so called fans). Why do we have to settle for scapegoating the police because they should know it is going to happen. How about we solely blame the hooligans who engage in such activities.

The Police are given resource to prevent this type of disorder occurring at games their failure to control the situation albeit outside the ground needs reviewing because God forbid when they are given carte blanche and get it wrong inside things like Hillsborough can occur.The hooligans will be picked up now as a result of the CCTV and evidence gathering but for those innocents caught up in it  see HORSE, GATE AND BOLTED

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

Quoted from Mariner93er

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

So your point is that there should be something to stop people fighting in the street? Rules of some description, which people should abide by and be punished for breaking them?

Almost, I dunno, like laws?

The statement is possibly the worst thing I've ever read on a number of levels, not even the eye-bleach has helped. There's no point going into it all on here as I've not got a full day spare.

If the club had any brains about them, they'd use this to positively promote the new stadium - espousing the good news about how these kind of incidents can be, and have been, virtually be "designed out" of football in new purpose built stadia around the country. A new stadium with better access & links from major transport hubs, that don't require a 1.5 mile walk down the back of a deserted railway line not covered by CCTV, would surely only serve to stop this sort of thing? BP is not currently fit for purpose, they keep telling us, maybe this is one reason why?

You'd expect a politician to be able to put that sort of a spin on things, but what we've got is a flipping head case who'd be happier having his picture taken on the beach, shovelling grass about.

Quoted from Mariner93er

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

So called football hooliganism has been going on for well over 40 years which suggests that they have no intention of downing tools anytime soon and also and perhaps more alarmingly for some it is just part of the matchday experience.On a personal note when Town are at home and playing the likes of Sheff Utd I know where to avoid if I don't want to get caught up in anything.The low home support Saturday suggests over 50% of Towns regular fans also gave it a swerve a large percentage of those probably due to the likely events.

I avoid any situation where violence may ensue but this isnt new. Violence in the streets has gone on for hundreds of years so the do gooders can do one as far as I am concerned. Police should have been more aware and used their famous 'intelligence' to prevent as much as possible.

Briefly caught the Police commander or whatever her title is on the radio this morning, in one breath she said football clubs must pay for Policing away from the stadiums and then added that they were recruiting more police for the City of Culture claptrap. Is the City of Culture paying for the new coppers? Do the pubs and clubs in every Town & City pay for Policing around throwing out time?

My guess is no they dont so why should football clubs, especially ones like ours who are far from cash rich be made to do so.

Quoted from grimps

The club should be able to invite any team they like for a friendly  , this was all totally avoidable if the police had been up early and on the ball.
We've had crowds four or five times bigger than this over the years with no trouble at all.

Oh yes. Dead easy that. The club is whiter than white, no responsibility, it's all down to someone else. The last time I heard an argument like that Tony Blair was making it. You are just demonstrating the don't care  attitude that has got so many people's backs up in the town about the club and as they see it, the underserving cause of a new stadium.

The size of the crowd is irrelevant. It's what they do that matters and it was obvious that if you put Sheffield United with Grimsby Town on a July Saturday afternoon that you would need an army of police to be everywhere and stop trouble at source.

So are you going to dig in your pocket and pay for that policing? No you won't want to do that will you?
You leave it to the good  people of North East Lincolnshire to pick up the tab for the stupidity of your football club. Lucky people, not only do they get the hooligans, they get to pay for the pleasure of it as well
And all the club can talk about is banning orders and all the "fans" can do is moan that the police are not where they should be or not doing what they should do.

The world is as it is. We know in an ideal world any club can play any other club and fans will walk in and out chatting and chanting in good humour. We'd all love our games to be like that but they aren't. All this claptrap about transport hubs and stuff being the answer is eyewash. Like Garth said earlier on, the rivalry goes back decades. When longstanding enemies meet they will find a way to fight, police or no police.

Therefore the only way to stop it is to not give them a freebie by way of a friendly.

We don't like it. We think it's giving in to the yobs. We want our rights! We'd rather risk it and say "It's our right to have any match we want and bu99er the consequences."

So well done to the club for putting the new ground back on the agenda in just the way we didn't want it and giving the opposition even more ammunition to force the club out of town.

It really is time Mr Fenty brought the club into the real world because at the moment we are on Fantasy Island.

Quoted from ska face

The statement is possibly the worst thing I've ever read on a number of levels, not even the eye-bleach has helped. There's no point going into it all on here as I've not got a full day spare.

If the club had any brains about them, they'd use this to positively promote the new stadium - espousing the good news about how these kind of incidents can be, and have been, virtually be "designed out" of football in new purpose built stadia around the country. A new stadium with better access & links from major transport hubs, that don't require a 1.5 mile walk down the back of a deserted railway line not covered by CCTV, would surely only serve to stop this sort of thing? BP is not currently fit for purpose, they keep telling us, maybe this is one reason why?

You'd expect a politician to be able to put that sort of a spin on things, but what we've got is a flipping head case who'd be happier having his picture taken on the beach, shovelling grass about.

Some excellent points and I agree regarding this latest infantile statement.One point though despite the video of the suggitts lane skirmish the main trouble was in and around CLPS Market Place and High St and most major incidents of this type at football in the last 25 years are. On that basis how would a new ground have stopped the Sheff U lot from heading into CLPS before the game they clearly brought large numbers intent on causing or engaging in trouble and found willing participants lying in wait?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Some excellent points and I agree regarding this latest infantile statement.One point though despite the video of the suggitts lane skirmish the main trouble was in and around CLPS Market Place and High St and most major incidents of this type at football in the last 25 years are. On that basis how would a new ground have stopped the Sheff U lot from heading into CLPS before the game they clearly brought large numbers intent on causing or engaging in trouble and found willing participants lying in wait?

As others have said a new ground would make no difference in my opinion and trying to use the violence of Saturday to somehow spin the positives of moving would have been a terrible idea.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Oh yes. Dead easy that. The club is whiter than white, no responsibility, it's all down to someone else. The last time I heard an argument like that Tony Blair was making it. You are just demonstrating the don't care  attitude that has got so many people's backs up in the town about the club and as they see it, the underserving cause of a new stadium.

The size of the crowd is irrelevant. It's what they do that matters and it was obvious that if you put Sheffield United with Grimsby Town on a July Saturday afternoon that you would need an army of police to be everywhere and stop trouble at source.

So are you going to dig in your pocket and pay for that policing? No you won't want to do that will you?
You leave it to the good  people of North East Lincolnshire to pick up the tab for the stupidity of your football club. Lucky people, not only do they get the hooligans, they get to pay for the pleasure of it as well
And all the club can talk about is banning orders and all the "fans" can do is moan that the police are not where they should be or not doing what they should do.

The world is as it is. We know in an ideal world any club can play any other club and fans will walk in and out chatting and chanting in good humour. We'd all love our games to be like that but they aren't. All this claptrap about transport hubs and stuff being the answer is eyewash. Like Garth said earlier on, the rivalry goes back decades. When longstanding enemies meet they will find a way to fight, police or no police.

Therefore the only way to stop it is to not give them a freebie by way of a friendly.

We don't like it. We think it's giving in to the yobs. We want our rights! We'd rather risk it and say "It's our right to have any match we want and bu99er the consequences."

So well done to the club for putting the new ground back on the agenda in just the way we didn't want it and giving the opposition even more ammunition to force the club out of town.

It really is time Mr Fenty brought the club into the real world because at the moment we are on Fantasy Island.

As others have pointed out though Ron bussing hundreds of Sheff into CLPS and also allowing hundreds more unchecked off the trains whilst the locals sat in wait needs explaining by the Police someone gave the green light question is who and why?