Trouble in Cleethorpes

Just reading in the telecast there's endless trouble in Cleethorpes with Sheffield Utd fans. Oh dear oh dear.
Just no need for it.

Yeah I live back of the ave behind the church and its chaos all scrapping down the ave.

SCUMBAGS!!!! It's a bloody friendly FFS

Ah intercourse! Another of the things we'll miss about non-League.

No need for it. And people complain when we get police overkill at away games and get treated like divs.

It should have read telewag by the way.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Yeah I live back of the ave behind the church and its chaos all scrapping down the ave.

Shouldn't you be Theaveash now?

We're a long way away from Kidderminster's pies now.

Was always going to happen.

I would haha my names from when I worked down the ave at Walmsleys.

Well done the divs from Town btw. I know it's a small minority but you've just given Dodsey ammunition now especially this season to get large police followings at away games.

Wasn't it mainly Sheffield fans?

Telegraph seems to imply it's the Sheff U lot causing the trouble. Is this not the case?

Well I say fans but there not really just Scumbags!!

All bars in Cleethorpes forced to close and may stay closed after the match.

Friendlies against big teams don't seem worth the bother.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Yeah I live back of the ave behind the church and its chaos all scrapping down the ave.

Honest Gov, it wasn't me.  

Quoted from psgmariner

All bars in Cleethorpes forced to close and may stay closed after the match.

Friendlies against big teams don't seem worth the bother.

This:- What a contrast with Scooter Weekend. Three times the people and hardly any bother at all.

Wetherspoon's selling beer from 9 a.m. Recipe for disaster

Hahah

Quoted from 97

Telegraph seems to imply it's the Sheff U lot causing the trouble. Is this not the case?

Yes It's the Yorkies caused the trouble!

Oooo it is good to have a good welcome back to the football league still w**kers though

Thanks for the welcome back to the league you yorkie tramps  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Thanks for the welcome back to the league you yorkie tramps  

In case you hadn't noticed, it normally takes two to fight. If everyone had the same attitude "you yorkie tramps" it was, sadly, inevitable.

Quoted from jock dock tower

In case you hadn't noticed, it normally takes two to fight. If everyone had the same attitude "you yorkie tramps" it was, sadly, inevitable.

Maybe they're fighting each other?

Quoted from jock dock tower

In case you hadn't noticed, it normally takes two to fight. If everyone had the same attitude "you yorkie tramps" it was, sadly, inevitable.

Oh ok its all our fault.

Tell me again why were we so desperate to get back into the Football League ? (Div 4)

The National League which lets face it was Div 5 anyway was much more enjoyable (give me a 'pub team in Essex' anytime) and we won a lot more than we are likely to do this season

Quoted from Ipswin

Tell me again why were we so desperate to get back into the Football League ? (Div 4)

The National League which lets face it was Div 5 anyway was much more enjoyable (give me a 'pub team in Essex' anytime) and we won a lot more than we are likely to do this season

Go watch north ferriby if you enjoyed it so much, what a stupid comment.

Just looked at telewag thread, police in pitched battles with sheff u fans, bottles and glasses being thrown etc. then police statement at about 3.30 says

A Humberside Police spokesman said: "We are aware and are positively dealing with the large amount of football fans who arrived early in Cleethorpes, before the Grimsby and Sheffield match began at 3pm.

"It is estimated about 2000 Sheffield fans came early to the seaside town. No offences have been reported and no-one has been arrested.

"We are in the town in large numbers for reassurance purposes and have many years worth of match management to ensure a peaceful game is had."

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Just looked at telewag thread, police in pitched battles with sheff u fans, bottles and glasses being thrown etc. then police statement at about 3.30 says

A Humberside Police spokesman said: "We are aware and are positively dealing with the large amount of football fans who arrived early in Cleethorpes, before the Grimsby and Sheffield match began at 3pm.

"It is estimated about 2000 Sheffield fans came early to the seaside town. No offences have been reported and no-one has been arrested.

"We are in the town in large numbers for reassurance purposes and have many years worth of match management to ensure a peaceful game is had."

'I just don't think they understand'

Quoted from Cricklewoodmariner

Go watch north ferriby if you enjoyed it so much, what a stupid comment.

Apart from your criticism you didn't answer the question - what is so fu(king special and magical about the 'Football League'?

Other than Portsmouth most of the teams in Div 2 (4) are not that much more attractive or 'big time' than those ex League clubs in the National League

Its purely a 'League' as opposed to 'non-league' thing I suspect but apart from the embarrassment of relegation from 'the league' and the misconception that GTFC are just too big and famous to drop down,

Div 5 is basically no different to Div 4(2) and, unless we struggle through to Round 3 of the FA Cup and draw a really big club, has little more than a trip to Pompey to recommend it and the potential arrival of idiot away fans certainly negates that.

Very embarrassing, I'm all for being passionate showing you love your club but it's grown men going to towns smashing up local businesses and pubs for what? A little kick in a pre-season friendly. 6 months later they will be drinking beer with you watching England, I just don't understand it.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Well done the divs from Town btw. I know it's a small minority but you've just given Dodsey ammunition now especially this season to get large police followings at away games.

So you were there and see everything that went on then??????

We have short memories don't we? Can we remember not long ago taking big numbers at alfreton away and town fans must of smashed every glass a pub had in a Sheffield pub, the walkway outside was absolutely covered with glass. Locals walking past must of thought the same as glasses was repeatedly thrown on the street with no regard. I seem to remember it was covered by there local papers with numerous comments by the locals saying how digusting and disrespectful town fans was.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Yeah I live back of the ave behind the church and its chaos all scrapping down the ave.

Trouble at Mill [Road]?

Wasn't it Wednesday fans, who smashed all tet windows in tet Fishermans as it was, about 10 years ago?

I like the way bottles and glasses have been thrown, but no offences reported.  

Quoted from jock dock tower

In case you hadn't noticed, it normally takes two to fight. If everyone had the same attitude "you yorkie tramps" it was, sadly, inevitable.

When I was down the ave it was sheff fans fighting each other

Quoted from The Yard Dog

When I was down the ave it was sheff fans fighting each other

Agree with this. Hardly saw a Town fan until I got near B.P.

Edit:- I realise any looking for trouble wouldn't be conspicuous.

Drink fuelled violence sadly.Cant people control themselves  

It's hard to understand the mentality of anyone who thought it was a bright idea to have a Yorkshire fixture in the summer. It's so bleedin' obvious the yobs will see it as a good day out. The Cleethorpes pubs welcome them with open bars while the local idiots know exactly where to find the opposition.  Sheer stupidity. If we have to play teams like this, do it away from home.

I'm not sure what being in the FL or not has to do with idiots kicking off at a pre-season friendly.

Evolution why art thou so bloody slow?

Time to start taking the warning labels off things

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

Evolution why art thou so bloody slow?

Time to start taking the warning labels off things

Labels like "this door is alarmed"?

What's it alarmed about? Is it as troubled at the spread of violence and intolerance around the world, perpetuated by right wing press and driven by bigots and zealots? If it is, I'm with the door.

A few weeks ago someone posted on here that they don't get why people would willingly go out on a weekend to drink themselves into a rage to go and risk serious injury (and potentially death) by fighting likeminded morons just because they come from a different town and support (loosest definition of the word) a different football club. Throw into that the money spent on clothing and it's completely beyond me why anyone would do it.

Mind you I'm up early in the morning to go and hit a little white ball around a park and they probably don't get that.

Painfully obvious what was going to happen today, let's invite a local club with a fanbase of dubious reputation for a Saturday afternoon in sunny Meggies and see how many businesses they can trash. Reason I stayed away today and probably explains low home turnout.

From the Sheff UTD forum ( says it all ) -

Personally I thought it was as well as I have seen us play in a pre season game certainly first Half Sharp, and Fleck were stand outs and DCL had the best 45 I've seen him have.

However the day was completely ruined for my family by The Walking Brain Dead who call themselves our fans, particular mention to the off his face youth who stuck his face infront my. 16 year old niece and said "show us your mammaries love " & then his mates who threatend us when we told him where to go.

Proud of himself I am sure.

Lets not be naive, this was always likely to happen...we've been out of the league that long, the boot boys have returned, ive seen guys from the 80's who i haven't seen in years, in the past they loved nothing better than a good old scrap, these people have been deprived for years...together from what i remember happening on the way to the Alfreton game a couple of years ago, when our fans went on the rampage in Sheffield...unfortunately this is likely to happen again now we're in league 2, with local derbies we'll see the visits of Mansfield, Notts County and Donny... in future i suggest we give these yorkshire pre-season games a miss, it just not worth the hassle.

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Oooo it is good to have a good welcome back to the football league still w**kers though

Erm, 1) it was a friendly and 2) we are not in the same division as them.

Even if GTFC were a long established League 1 team would we expect to beat SUFC.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves eh.

I don't get that.

The result doesn't matter anyway.

Quoted from LH

A few weeks ago someone posted on here that they don't get why people would willingly go out on a weekend to drink themselves into a rage to go and risk serious injury (and potentially death) by fighting likeminded morons just because they come from a different town and support (loosest definition of the word) a different football club. Throw into that the money spent on clothing and it's completely beyond me why anyone would do it.

Mind you I'm up early in the morning to go and hit a little white ball around a park and they probably don't get that.

I wouldn't be to sure about that  

http://www.bing.com/videos/sea.....E720&FORM=VRDGAR

Were the Old Bill caught off guard today?  Pre season game for them as well as for Town - like us on the pitch, seems they fell short.

No arrests for the trouble that appears to have occurred is hardly a ringing endorsement for the Old Bill  

Quoted from Grimal

I wouldn't be to sure about that  

http://www.bing.com/videos/sea.....E720&FORM=VRDGAR

It is a frustrating game at times! I'm at the point now that I know I'm excrement so there's no point getting myself down about and enjoy it when I play well.

In that sense I suppose it's like watching Town!

Humberside Police reporting six arrests including serious assault and affray. Videos I've seen on facebook showing Town got shown up a bit so hopefully that'll be a reality check for them and they'll keep their heads down from now on.

I was walking through the market place with my 2 young children, one of which is severley disabled at around 1pm and it seemed like a party atmosphere... fit forward 30 minutes  when we were walking back and it was.like a war zone... I spent q0 years in the Army and it felt like being back in Helmand..... guys between what looked.like 16-60 running Round and fighting... absolutely embarrassing. Why can't people just enjoy a sociable beer, the sunshine and a game.of football without it all ending in violence... really don't understand!!!

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I was walking through the market place with my 2 young children, one of which is severley disabled at around 1pm and it seemed like a party atmosphere... fit forward 30 minutes  when we were walking back and it was.like a war zone... I spent q0 years in the Army and it felt like being back in Helmand..... guys between what looked.like 16-60 running Round and fighting... absolutely embarrassing. Why can't people just enjoy a sociable beer, the sunshine and a game.of football without it all ending in violence... really don't understand!!!

And that's the point!

Absolutely no need for it at all, but we did smash up Sheffield City centre a few seasons ago, especially around the Graduate Pub, I remember walking through it after it and it wasn't nice at all, it was like a bomb site, so they are just getting their own back, obviously that doesn't make it right, but we did the same at Sheffield so we had it coming... Let's not pretend all our fans are angels because we aren't, every club has a MINORITY who are scum

Yorkshire invasion

https://youtu.be/O1AnmUljE4U

Quoted from Davec

Absolutely no need for it at all, but we did smash up Sheffield City centre a few seasons ago, especially around the Graduate Pub, I remember walking through it after it and it wasn't nice at all, it was like a bomb site, so they are just getting their own back, obviously that doesn't make it right, but we did the same at Sheffield so we had it coming... Let's not pretend all our fans are angels because we aren't, every club has a MINORITY who are scum

No we didn't "have it coming".

There was no need to even have the match. Anyone with an IQ in single figures could have worked out what would happen if you had Sheffield "fans" coming to Cleethorpes on a Saturday afternoon in July. It wouldn't matter if we were in L2, L1 or Conference Northern, the result would still have been chaos and violence.

I'm sick of hearing about "small minorities" and "poor segregation" and all the rest of the excuses. This was 100% predictable. It could easily have been a lot worse.

The blame for it happening at all lies with the club and specifically with whoever sanctioned this unnecessary game at this time.

I agree with Ron the writing was on the wall for this game, but maybe the near 4 k paying gate over rided all sense . As for minority I witnessed 100s from both sides more than happy to oblige in fighting each other.

Am i missing something........clearly i am.  Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill.  How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd?  Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am.  Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill.  How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd?  Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Always been agg between us and both sheff clubs.

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am.  Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill.  How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd?  Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Erm, hot summer Saturday, nearly 2,000 tickets sold, loads of old bill, old bill helicopter, come on engage brain.

Basically what some seem to be saying is it's OK for the fun of the majority to be put on hold for the fun of the violent minority, because the authorities can't seem to handle a bit of disorder and sort out the culprits.

Yesterday was a total police failure , we pay a so called football liaison officer a good wage out of our local taxes , yesterday he never had a clue.
The police never really seemed to locate Grimsby's mob , they seemed happy to stand outside all the high street and market place pubs full of United  fans and thought that was good enough.
It was obvious the Grimsby lot was going to make an aperance and they managed to do it twice in the market place and once in the high street .
After the match that should have been the end of it as the police know exactly where everyone is and where they need to go to get home .
The trouble on the train tracks and train station was totally avoidable .
I'm not blaming your average Bobby with bottles ect being thrown at them but they was badly led yesterday and heads should roll

Quoted from grimps

Yesterday was a total police failure , we pay a so called football liaison officer a good wage out of our local taxes , yesterday he never had a clue.
The police never really seemed to locate Grimsby's mob , they seemed happy to stand outside all the high street and market place pubs full of United  fans and thought that was good enough.
It was obvious the Grimsby lot was going to make an aperance and they managed to do it twice in the market place and once in the high street .
After the match that should have been the end of it as the police know exactly where everyone is and where they need to go to get home .
The trouble on the train tracks and train station was totally avoidable .
I'm not blaming your average Bobby with bottles ect being thrown at them but they was badly led yesterday and heads should roll

Whenever we get a sell out in the away end their is always disorder. It happened when Wednesday came pre season a few years back, it happened for the Scunny and Huddersfield games and now it happened yesterday . But when you are drafting police In from different forces and areas then you can't blame the plod for not knowing the local area and what direction people are likely to come from.

I wasn't blaming the average Bobby , I was blaming the officer that gets paid to be in charge of policing Grimsby games

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am.  Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill.  How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd?  Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Meza are you serious? There has always been some bother with Yorkshire clubs on a Saturday or Bank Holiday summer fixture, some more than others as far back as I can remember in the 60s & 70s. I can remember as a kid being stoned by Leeds fans on Harrington Street on one such day. The Town mob know where the opposition will be on a day like yesterday and will hang around St Peter's Avenue and the sea front streets waiting for a chance. It happens every time.

Sometimes it can't be helped if the fixture list goes that way but this was a "friendly" and was sorted out by the club, so absolutely avoidable. Not that I expect the club to accept even one tiny spot of responsibility, that's not the way the club works is it? Look out in the GT tomorrow for those magic words "small minority", "anyone found",  "ban from games" .......etc.,  all the usual PR claptrap.

Of course it's not right that a minority should dictate fixtures but the minority dictated yesterday in any case. So which is better, playing your friendly against a non-Yorkie side or dodging fights while you try to queue for your fish and chips?

I don't really care if 2 people, or 2 groups of people want to fight/brawl/smash everything up etc. In fact if that's their thing I'd say go for it to the lads, but at the very least I'd want from these people is do it well out the way out of sight away from the average Joe and kids enjoying a day out.

Ron ive never been to a yorkshire match involving Leeds or Sheffield so i wouldn't know.  Not the clubs fault in my eyes more of the police tbf.  

What a depressing read this is! Sometimes, i really despair of the depths to which perfectly sane (or perhaps not) humans can descend when, supposedly, enjoying a day out to watch their favourite team. Yesterday, on my way from the Kingsway to the match, I deliberately avoided the High Street when I heard the mindless drink-fuelled chanting. Returning from the game along Grimsby Road, numerous police vans from the dog unit passed, blue lights flashing and sirens blaring, plus helicopter overhead, and I had cause to reflect on whether football watching, with its moronic element, is really worth it in the end, particularly at my age. This morning, and unrelated to my comments above, I walked along the promenade before my drive home and was shocked by the huge volume of litter everywhere, and not least on the beach, glass bottles included. Cleethorpes, the town in which I was born almost 70 years ago, seemingly tries really hard with its floral displays, to provide a very pleasant environment for its visitors and I don't understand why people seem unable to dispose of their litter in the conspicuously numerous bins which the council provides. Just why are so many people so 'degenerate', I wonder?    

CCTV everywhere down Cleethorpes these days.  Those that didn't get arrested yesterday will more than likely get a knock on their door in the coming weeks, also the Police Helicopter has high resolution cameras.

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

CCTV everywhere down Cleethorpes these days.  Those that didn't get arrested yesterday will more than likely get a knock on their door in the coming weeks, plus the Police Helicopter has high resolution cameras.

Well let's hope so - it would have been a lot better if the problems had been prevented before they happened though. As soon as away ticket sales got above 500, alarm bells should have been ringing and I'm pretty sure there would have been far fewer come on a Tuesday night.

FAO davec

What's all this 'we' when you refer to what happened prior to the Alfreton game in Sheffield

I didn't smash anything up

My friends who I go to games with didn't smash anything up

None of the people I know who follow Town smashed anything up

Just remember it's the minority who ruin it for the rest of us, anyone smashing anything up isn't doing so in the interests of Grimsby Town (no matter what they tell you) it's too satisfy and compensate for the chemical imbalance in their 'brains' and possibly something lacking in the trouser department

It's  been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

That's you banned then Grim74 for remarks about Dodds like that when he reads that ^

Doddsy hasn't been at Town games since March time. Apparently the liaison officer duty now is shared amongst officers instead of just one person. He is useless anyway. Always keen on taking things further  for minor offences at small games but when it comes to the big games he always seems to mess it up. Don't know if it was his decision last year at Lincoln but whoever thought it was going to be okay to let town fans walk around Lincoln high street without any type of supervision should have been sacked on the spot. They soon realised they had to change their approach when it kicked off within seconds from leaving the train station car park.

Quoted from bluerose13x

I don't really care if 2 people, or 2 groups of people want to fight/brawl/smash everything up etc. In fact if that's their thing I'd say go for it to the lads, but at the very least I'd want from these people is do it well out the way out of sight away from the average Joe and kids enjoying a day out.

This. I'm all for giving them a field, and even giving them a pile of knives and baseball bats. It should help the gene pool no end

Quoted from Grim74

It's  been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

Absolutely. An invite to a Sheffield club to play a friendly on a sunny July Saturday afternoon is daft enough but to allow the violence to kick off once you knew how many were coming is crazy. On top of that, it's pretty unfair on the businesses in Cleethorpes that may now have to make insurance claims.

Quoted from 1739

Doddsy hasn't been at Town games since March time. Apparently the liaison officer duty now is shared amongst officers instead of just one person. He is useless anyway. Always keen on taking things further  for minor offences at small games but when it comes to the big games he always seems to mess it up. Don't know if it was his decision last year at Lincoln but whoever thought it was going to be okay to let town fans walk around Lincoln high street without any type of supervision should have been sacked on the spot. They soon realised they had to change their approach when it kicked off within seconds from leaving the train station car park.

He was on duty in the market place yesterday.

If only darleys was still open to put all the away in eh!

Quoted from Grim74

It's  been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

Sounds to me like you're trying to excuse the idiots and put the blame on the police. If this Dodds blokes methods lead to getting some convictions then great. These idiots are usually the same people who will regularly cause trouble on any normal weekend night around the pubs in town, so nicking them is ultimately a better result long term for every decent person.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

If only darleys was still open to put all the away in eh!

Looking at it the other way, why should innocent people (which most of the 2000 Blairds would have been) be corralled into one urine awful pub. Policing needs to go beyond corralling and kettling, and treating all football fans or working class people as criminals.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Looking at it the other way, why should innocent people (which most of the 2000 Blairds would have been) be corralled into one urine awful pub. Policing needs to go beyond corralling and kettling, and treating all football fans or working class people as criminals.

A good majority of blades looked risk to me they had 300 maybe more up for mischief I've been around long enough to realise who's who in this case they needed kettling and corralling , the police failed to keep order it's their job to keep order they failed miserably.  

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Sounds to me like you're trying to excuse the idiots and put the blame on the police. If this Dodds blokes methods lead to getting some convictions then great. These idiots are usually the same people who will regularly cause trouble on any normal weekend night around the pubs in town, so nicking them is ultimately a better result long term for every decent person.

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

Quoted from Grim74

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

Well said Grim74

Prevention always has to be better than cure in situations such as these

Police intelligence ( I know - it's an over-used oxymoron ) should have been such that things should never have escalated to the extent it did

For the police to  'boast' late on yesterday about having contained things seems way off the mark given the reports I've heard from friends and family who had nothing to do with the game but got caught up in the middle of it all

So it would be OK for the police to stand by and watch a rape or murder get committed as long as they got it on camera for a conviction eh ?

What qualifies a policeman to become a football liaison officer I have no idea but I'd like to thing being a fan of the game and a follower of football for a few years would be high up in the criteria .
Everyone that I spoke to in the run up to this game knew there would be bother , surely the police should hve he a clue too

It resembled key stone cops on Saturday at times poorly organised with absolutely no obvious leadership

I've been to some games where just to give plod a look they want to start something yet the clowns yesterday just stood around letting more and more Sheffield United stand in the score board corner verbally having a go at the Town fans in the Stones/Findus/Youngs stand.

Plod were basically useless in the ground.

Quoted from Grim74

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

No, I'm saying that you are coming across as saying "the thugs are fine its all the police's fault". Your above argument, looked at the other way around, is saying is it is alright to turn a blind eye to people who are intent on causing violence and just keep them running around - but what about if they go and attack/glass someone the next night down meggies. At the end of the day those involved are brain dead, nasty and aggressive morons who deserve to be nicked.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

A good majority of blades looked risk to me they had 300 maybe more up for mischief I've been around long enough to realise who's who in this case they needed kettling and corralling , the police failed to keep order it's their job to keep order they failed miserably.  

Yes, like I said. The Old Bill should deal with the miscreants and leave the innocent alone.

300 is not a 'good majority' of 2000. It's not even a bad one.

I say, boat all these thugs wanting to fight out to one of the fortresses in the middle of the estuary at high tide, give them all the weapons they want and leave them to it until the last moron's standing, then hope he tries swimming back to shore and gets clipped up by a P&O ferry.    I've got no time for these brainless idiots that bring danger to innocent people and families that are on a pleasure day out.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I've been to some games where just to give plod a look they want to start something yet the clowns yesterday just stood around letting more and more Sheffield United stand in the score board corner verbally having a go at the Town fans in the Stones/Findus/Youngs stand.

Plod were basically useless in the ground.

From where I was sat (Pontoon back centre), that looked like a matter of sheer numbers. I could see a few empty seats in the Osmond, but there looked to be many more than that standing in that corner. I can only presume the authorities weren't prepared for such large numbers of travelling fans and believed they were better off in the ground rather than on the streets.

I didn't see any of the trouble and, the Sheffield United fans I encountered afterwards were absolutely fine and wished us well for the season ahead. But, assuming this is true, I'd love to know why the away coaches were allowed to arrive early and their passengers taken straight into Cleethorpes, thus easing access to alcohol and potentially accelerating and worsening the trouble.

Quoted from EY Mariner

From where I was sat (Pontoon back centre), that looked like a matter of sheer numbers. I could see a few empty seats in the Osmond, but there looked to be many more than that standing in that corner. I can only presume the authorities weren't prepared for such large numbers of travelling fans and believed they were better off in the ground rather than on the streets.

I didn't see any of the trouble and, the Sheffield United fans I encountered afterwards were absolutely fine and wished us well for the season ahead. But, assuming this is true, I'd love to know why the away coaches were allowed to arrive early and their passengers taken straight into Cleethorpes, thus easing access to alcohol and potentially accelerating and worsening the trouble.

From those that were allowed to stand, they hardly looked to be watching the game at all in fact there were a good number stood behind the score board all second half so they wouldn't have been able to see the game even if they wanted to.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes, like I said. The Old Bill should deal with the miscreants and leave the innocent alone.

300 is not a 'good majority' of 2000. It's not even a bad one.

Might not be the majority but 300 obvious ones wearing all the gear etc coupled with plenty of drunk blades probably pushed that number up considerably, the police seemed to me one step behind rather than one step in front and that blames goes to whoever was running the show

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

That's you banned then Grim74 for remarks about[/b] Dodds[b] like that when he reads that ^

Dodds has been replaced by a new bod

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Might not be the majority but 300 obvious ones wearing all the gear etc coupled with plenty of drunk blades probably pushed that number up considerably, the police seemed to me one step behind rather than one step in front and that blames goes to whoever was running the show

Lets be completely honest here what happened Saturday was not an accident it was allowed to happen a perfect police plan to gather evidence and get a load of bans in place afterwards.Both sets of fans fell for it hook line and sinker and now they can sit back and wait for the long arm of the law to grab the collar.Trust me you can expect to see in excess of 40 bans coming from Saturday`s antics the OB were yesterday gathering CCTV from allover the resort and weve all seen the videos on here of suggits lane.Anyway I shall be picking up my tickets for Derby away and the residents there can sleep safe in the knowledge that I shall be going to watch my team play without any intention of smashing the gaffe up.

Quoted from Grim74

It's  been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

I'd be more inclined to get rid of the fool at the club who thought it was a good idea to arrange a friendly against a Yorkie side on a Saturday in July.

Not sure if I should be sharing this here really as it's something personal for the people involved but it is relevant in the scheme of things

While all the fighting was taking place on Saturday and seemingly just being captured on video, I heard after the game that one of my family's friends had been attacked and was taken to A&E

I've just now been told by them this morning the lad has been taken to Castle Hill in Hull and is now in an induced coma...

No further news at this stage other than to say the family are with him but he's in a bad way and it doesn't look good  

And all this because of a "friendly" game of football....sometimes you despair!  

Not good at all FOOW.  I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery

Why shouldn't we be allowed to play a decent club in preseason? If some idiots want to fight then that should not stop what was a good 90 mins for both sets of players. Better measures should have been implemented to prevent large groups of mindless thugs from congregating in Clee.