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Just looked at telewag thread, police in pitched battles with sheff u fans, bottles and glasses being thrown etc. then police statement at about 3.30 says

A Humberside Police spokesman said: "We are aware and are positively dealing with the large amount of football fans who arrived early in Cleethorpes, before the Grimsby and Sheffield match began at 3pm.

"It is estimated about 2000 Sheffield fans came early to the seaside town. No offences have been reported and no-one has been arrested.

"We are in the town in large numbers for reassurance purposes and have many years worth of match management to ensure a peaceful game is had."
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Quoted from Madeleymariner

Just looked at telewag thread, police in pitched battles with sheff u fans, bottles and glasses being thrown etc. then police statement at about 3.30 says

A Humberside Police spokesman said: "We are aware and are positively dealing with the large amount of football fans who arrived early in Cleethorpes, before the Grimsby and Sheffield match began at 3pm.

"It is estimated about 2000 Sheffield fans came early to the seaside town. No offences have been reported and no-one has been arrested.

"We are in the town in large numbers for reassurance purposes and have many years worth of match management to ensure a peaceful game is had."
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'I just don't think they understand'

Quoted from Cricklewoodmariner

Go watch north ferriby if you enjoyed it so much, what a stupid comment.

Apart from your criticism you didn't answer the question - what is so fu(king special and magical about the 'Football League'?

Other than Portsmouth most of the teams in Div 2 (4) are not that much more attractive or 'big time' than those ex League clubs in the National League

Its purely a 'League' as opposed to 'non-league' thing I suspect but apart from the embarrassment of relegation from 'the league' and the misconception that GTFC are just too big and famous to drop down,

Div 5 is basically no different to Div 4(2) and, unless we struggle through to Round 3 of the FA Cup and draw a really big club, has little more than a trip to Pompey to recommend it and the potential arrival of idiot away fans certainly negates that.

Very embarrassing, I'm all for being passionate showing you love your club but it's grown men going to towns smashing up local businesses and pubs for what? A little kick in a pre-season friendly. 6 months later they will be drinking beer with you watching England, I just don't understand it.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Well done the divs from Town btw. I know it's a small minority but you've just given Dodsey ammunition now especially this season to get large police followings at away games.

So you were there and see everything that went on then??????

We have short memories don't we? Can we remember not long ago taking big numbers at alfreton away and town fans must of smashed every glass a pub had in a Sheffield pub, the walkway outside was absolutely covered with glass. Locals walking past must of thought the same as glasses was repeatedly thrown on the street with no regard. I seem to remember it was covered by there local papers with numerous comments by the locals saying how digusting and disrespectful town fans was.

Quoted from Freemoash88

Yeah I live back of the ave behind the church and its chaos all scrapping down the ave.

Trouble at Mill [Road]?

Wasn't it Wednesday fans, who smashed all tet windows in tet Fishermans as it was, about 10 years ago?

I like the way bottles and glasses have been thrown, but no offences reported. ;)

Quoted from jock dock tower

In case you hadn't noticed, it normally takes two to fight. If everyone had the same attitude "you yorkie tramps" it was, sadly, inevitable.

When I was down the ave it was sheff fans fighting each other

Quoted from The Yard Dog

When I was down the ave it was sheff fans fighting each other

Agree with this. Hardly saw a Town fan until I got near B.P.

Edit:- I realise any looking for trouble wouldn't be conspicuous.

Drink fuelled violence sadly.Cant people control themselves :-/

It's hard to understand the mentality of anyone who thought it was a bright idea to have a Yorkshire fixture in the summer. It's so bleedin' obvious the yobs will see it as a good day out. The Cleethorpes pubs welcome them with open bars while the local idiots know exactly where to find the opposition. Sheer stupidity. If we have to play teams like this, do it away from home.

I'm not sure what being in the FL or not has to do with idiots kicking off at a pre-season friendly.

Evolution why art thou so bloody slow?

Time to start taking the warning labels off things

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

Evolution why art thou so bloody slow?

Time to start taking the warning labels off things

Labels like "this door is alarmed"?

What's it alarmed about? Is it as troubled at the spread of violence and intolerance around the world, perpetuated by right wing press and driven by bigots and zealots? If it is, I'm with the door.

A few weeks ago someone posted on here that they don't get why people would willingly go out on a weekend to drink themselves into a rage to go and risk serious injury (and potentially death) by fighting likeminded morons just because they come from a different town and support (loosest definition of the word) a different football club. Throw into that the money spent on clothing and it's completely beyond me why anyone would do it.

Mind you I'm up early in the morning to go and hit a little white ball around a park and they probably don't get that.

Painfully obvious what was going to happen today, let's invite a local club with a fanbase of dubious reputation for a Saturday afternoon in sunny Meggies and see how many businesses they can trash. Reason I stayed away today and probably explains low home turnout.

From the Sheff UTD forum ( says it all ) -

Personally I thought it was as well as I have seen us play in a pre season game certainly first Half Sharp, and Fleck were stand outs and DCL had the best 45 I've seen him have.

However the day was completely ruined for my family by The Walking Brain Dead who call themselves our fans, particular mention to the off his face youth who stuck his face infront my. 16 year old niece and said "show us your mammaries love " & then his mates who threatend us when we told him where to go.

Proud of himself I am sure.

Lets not be naive, this was always likely to happen...we've been out of the league that long, the boot boys have returned, ive seen guys from the 80's who i haven't seen in years, in the past they loved nothing better than a good old scrap, these people have been deprived for years...together from what i remember happening on the way to the Alfreton game a couple of years ago, when our fans went on the rampage in Sheffield...unfortunately this is likely to happen again now we're in league 2, with local derbies we'll see the visits of Mansfield, Notts County and Donny... in future i suggest we give these yorkshire pre-season games a miss, it just not worth the hassle.

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Oooo it is good to have a good welcome back to the football league still w**kers though

Erm, 1) it was a friendly and 2) we are not in the same division as them.

Even if GTFC were a long established League 1 team would we expect to beat SUFC.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves eh.

I don't get that.

The result doesn't matter anyway.

Quoted from LH

A few weeks ago someone posted on here that they don't get why people would willingly go out on a weekend to drink themselves into a rage to go and risk serious injury (and potentially death) by fighting likeminded morons just because they come from a different town and support (loosest definition of the word) a different football club. Throw into that the money spent on clothing and it's completely beyond me why anyone would do it.

Mind you I'm up early in the morning to go and hit a little white ball around a park and they probably don't get that.

I wouldn't be to sure about that ;)

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Fails+compilationBHTV&qft=+Filterui%3auserpage-ucdsrtawct26yfcs_9vj2tcg&view=detail&mid=D4F8614DE7B1B983E720D4F8614DE7B1B983E720&FORM=VRDGAR

Were the Old Bill caught off guard today? Pre season game for them as well as for Town - like us on the pitch, seems they fell short.

No arrests for the trouble that appears to have occurred is hardly a ringing endorsement for the Old Bill :(

Quoted from Grimal

I wouldn't be to sure about that ;)

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Fails+compilationBHTV&qft=+Filterui%3auserpage-ucdsrtawct26yfcs_9vj2tcg&view=detail&mid=D4F8614DE7B1B983E720D4F8614DE7B1B983E720&FORM=VRDGAR

It is a frustrating game at times! I'm at the point now that I know I'm excrement so there's no point getting myself down about and enjoy it when I play well.

In that sense I suppose it's like watching Town!

Humberside Police reporting six arrests including serious assault and affray. Videos I've seen on facebook showing Town got shown up a bit so hopefully that'll be a reality check for them and they'll keep their heads down from now on.

I was walking through the market place with my 2 young children, one of which is severley disabled at around 1pm and it seemed like a party atmosphere... fit forward 30 minutes when we were walking back and it was.like a war zone... I spent q0 years in the Army and it felt like being back in Helmand..... guys between what looked.like 16-60 running Round and fighting... absolutely embarrassing. Why can't people just enjoy a sociable beer, the sunshine and a game.of football without it all ending in violence... really don't understand!!!

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I was walking through the market place with my 2 young children, one of which is severley disabled at around 1pm and it seemed like a party atmosphere... fit forward 30 minutes when we were walking back and it was.like a war zone... I spent q0 years in the Army and it felt like being back in Helmand..... guys between what looked.like 16-60 running Round and fighting... absolutely embarrassing. Why can't people just enjoy a sociable beer, the sunshine and a game.of football without it all ending in violence... really don't understand!!!

And that's the point!

Absolutely no need for it at all, but we did smash up Sheffield City centre a few seasons ago, especially around the Graduate Pub, I remember walking through it after it and it wasn't nice at all, it was like a bomb site, so they are just getting their own back, obviously that doesn't make it right, but we did the same at Sheffield so we had it coming... Let's not pretend all our fans are angels because we aren't, every club has a MINORITY who are scum

Yorkshire invasion

https://youtu.be/O1AnmUljE4U

Quoted from Davec

Absolutely no need for it at all, but we did smash up Sheffield City centre a few seasons ago, especially around the Graduate Pub, I remember walking through it after it and it wasn't nice at all, it was like a bomb site, so they are just getting their own back, obviously that doesn't make it right, but we did the same at Sheffield so we had it coming... Let's not pretend all our fans are angels because we aren't, every club has a MINORITY who are scum

No we didn't "have it coming".

There was no need to even have the match. Anyone with an IQ in single figures could have worked out what would happen if you had Sheffield "fans" coming to Cleethorpes on a Saturday afternoon in July. It wouldn't matter if we were in L2, L1 or Conference Northern, the result would still have been chaos and violence.

I'm sick of hearing about "small minorities" and "poor segregation" and all the rest of the excuses. This was 100% predictable. It could easily have been a lot worse.

The blame for it happening at all lies with the club and specifically with whoever sanctioned this unnecessary game at this time.

I agree with Ron the writing was on the wall for this game, but maybe the near 4 k paying gate over rided all sense . As for minority I witnessed 100s from both sides more than happy to oblige in fighting each other.

Am i missing something........clearly i am. Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill. How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd? Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am. Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill. How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd? Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Always been agg between us and both sheff clubs.

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am. Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill. How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd? Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Erm, hot summer Saturday, nearly 2,000 tickets sold, loads of old bill, old bill helicopter, come on engage brain.

Basically what some seem to be saying is it's OK for the fun of the majority to be put on hold for the fun of the violent minority, because the authorities can't seem to handle a bit of disorder and sort out the culprits.

Yesterday was a total police failure , we pay a so called football liaison officer a good wage out of our local taxes , yesterday he never had a clue.
The police never really seemed to locate Grimsby's mob , they seemed happy to stand outside all the high street and market place pubs full of United fans and thought that was good enough.
It was obvious the Grimsby lot was going to make an aperance and they managed to do it twice in the market place and once in the high street .
After the match that should have been the end of it as the police know exactly where everyone is and where they need to go to get home .
The trouble on the train tracks and train station was totally avoidable .
I'm not blaming your average Bobby with bottles ect being thrown at them but they was badly led yesterday and heads should roll

Quoted from grimps

Yesterday was a total police failure , we pay a so called football liaison officer a good wage out of our local taxes , yesterday he never had a clue.
The police never really seemed to locate Grimsby's mob , they seemed happy to stand outside all the high street and market place pubs full of United fans and thought that was good enough.
It was obvious the Grimsby lot was going to make an aperance and they managed to do it twice in the market place and once in the high street .
After the match that should have been the end of it as the police know exactly where everyone is and where they need to go to get home .
The trouble on the train tracks and train station was totally avoidable .
I'm not blaming your average Bobby with bottles ect being thrown at them but they was badly led yesterday and heads should roll

Whenever we get a sell out in the away end their is always disorder. It happened when Wednesday came pre season a few years back, it happened for the Scunny and Huddersfield games and now it happened yesterday . But when you are drafting police In from different forces and areas then you can't blame the plod for not knowing the local area and what direction people are likely to come from.

I wasn't blaming the average Bobby , I was blaming the officer that gets paid to be in charge of policing Grimsby games

Quoted from Meza

Am i missing something........clearly i am. Maybe some of you should be working for the old bill. How do you know this was going to happen and excuse my ignorance but when was the last time we played sheffield utd? Has there always been confliction between us and them? If so then i understand some of the comments but if not.....well how can anyone know this was going to happen.....even i didn't know.

Meza are you serious? There has always been some bother with Yorkshire clubs on a Saturday or Bank Holiday summer fixture, some more than others as far back as I can remember in the 60s & 70s. I can remember as a kid being stoned by Leeds fans on Harrington Street on one such day. The Town mob know where the opposition will be on a day like yesterday and will hang around St Peter's Avenue and the sea front streets waiting for a chance. It happens every time.

Sometimes it can't be helped if the fixture list goes that way but this was a "friendly" and was sorted out by the club, so absolutely avoidable. Not that I expect the club to accept even one tiny spot of responsibility, that's not the way the club works is it? Look out in the GT tomorrow for those magic words "small minority", "anyone found", "ban from games" .......etc., all the usual PR claptrap.

Of course it's not right that a minority should dictate fixtures but the minority dictated yesterday in any case. So which is better, playing your friendly against a non-Yorkie side or dodging fights while you try to queue for your fish and chips?

I don't really care if 2 people, or 2 groups of people want to fight/brawl/smash everything up etc. In fact if that's their thing I'd say go for it to the lads, but at the very least I'd want from these people is do it well out the way out of sight away from the average Joe and kids enjoying a day out.

Ron ive never been to a yorkshire match involving Leeds or Sheffield so i wouldn't know. Not the clubs fault in my eyes more of the police tbf.

What a depressing read this is! Sometimes, i really despair of the depths to which perfectly sane (or perhaps not) humans can descend when, supposedly, enjoying a day out to watch their favourite team. Yesterday, on my way from the Kingsway to the match, I deliberately avoided the High Street when I heard the mindless drink-fuelled chanting. Returning from the game along Grimsby Road, numerous police vans from the dog unit passed, blue lights flashing and sirens blaring, plus helicopter overhead, and I had cause to reflect on whether football watching, with its moronic element, is really worth it in the end, particularly at my age. This morning, and unrelated to my comments above, I walked along the promenade before my drive home and was shocked by the huge volume of litter everywhere, and not least on the beach, glass bottles included. Cleethorpes, the town in which I was born almost 70 years ago, seemingly tries really hard with its floral displays, to provide a very pleasant environment for its visitors and I don't understand why people seem unable to dispose of their litter in the conspicuously numerous bins which the council provides. Just why are so many people so 'degenerate', I wonder?

CCTV everywhere down Cleethorpes these days. Those that didn't get arrested yesterday will more than likely get a knock on their door in the coming weeks, also the Police Helicopter has high resolution cameras.

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

CCTV everywhere down Cleethorpes these days. Those that didn't get arrested yesterday will more than likely get a knock on their door in the coming weeks, plus the Police Helicopter has high resolution cameras.

Well let's hope so - it would have been a lot better if the problems had been prevented before they happened though. As soon as away ticket sales got above 500, alarm bells should have been ringing and I'm pretty sure there would have been far fewer come on a Tuesday night.

FAO davec

What's all this 'we' when you refer to what happened prior to the Alfreton game in Sheffield

I didn't smash anything up

My friends who I go to games with didn't smash anything up

None of the people I know who follow Town smashed anything up

Just remember it's the minority who ruin it for the rest of us, anyone smashing anything up isn't doing so in the interests of Grimsby Town (no matter what they tell you) it's too satisfy and compensate for the chemical imbalance in their 'brains' and possibly something lacking in the trouser department

It's been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

That's you banned then Grim74 for remarks about Dodds like that when he reads that ^

Doddsy hasn't been at Town games since March time. Apparently the liaison officer duty now is shared amongst officers instead of just one person. He is useless anyway. Always keen on taking things further for minor offences at small games but when it comes to the big games he always seems to mess it up. Don't know if it was his decision last year at Lincoln but whoever thought it was going to be okay to let town fans walk around Lincoln high street without any type of supervision should have been sacked on the spot. They soon realised they had to change their approach when it kicked off within seconds from leaving the train station car park.

Quoted from bluerose13x

I don't really care if 2 people, or 2 groups of people want to fight/brawl/smash everything up etc. In fact if that's their thing I'd say go for it to the lads, but at the very least I'd want from these people is do it well out the way out of sight away from the average Joe and kids enjoying a day out.

This. I'm all for giving them a field, and even giving them a pile of knives and baseball bats. It should help the gene pool no end

Quoted from Grim74

It's been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

Absolutely. An invite to a Sheffield club to play a friendly on a sunny July Saturday afternoon is daft enough but to allow the violence to kick off once you knew how many were coming is crazy. On top of that, it's pretty unfair on the businesses in Cleethorpes that may now have to make insurance claims.

Quoted from 1739

Doddsy hasn't been at Town games since March time. Apparently the liaison officer duty now is shared amongst officers instead of just one person. He is useless anyway. Always keen on taking things further for minor offences at small games but when it comes to the big games he always seems to mess it up. Don't know if it was his decision last year at Lincoln but whoever thought it was going to be okay to let town fans walk around Lincoln high street without any type of supervision should have been sacked on the spot. They soon realised they had to change their approach when it kicked off within seconds from leaving the train station car park.

He was on duty in the market place yesterday.

If only darleys was still open to put all the away in eh!

Quoted from Grim74

It's been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

Sounds to me like you're trying to excuse the idiots and put the blame on the police. If this Dodds blokes methods lead to getting some convictions then great. These idiots are usually the same people who will regularly cause trouble on any normal weekend night around the pubs in town, so nicking them is ultimately a better result long term for every decent person.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

If only darleys was still open to put all the away in eh!

Looking at it the other way, why should innocent people (which most of the 2000 Blairds would have been) be corralled into one urine awful pub. Policing needs to go beyond corralling and kettling, and treating all football fans or working class people as criminals.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Looking at it the other way, why should innocent people (which most of the 2000 Blairds would have been) be corralled into one urine awful pub. Policing needs to go beyond corralling and kettling, and treating all football fans or working class people as criminals.

A good majority of blades looked risk to me they had 300 maybe more up for mischief I've been around long enough to realise who's who in this case they needed kettling and corralling , the police failed to keep order it's their job to keep order they failed miserably.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Sounds to me like you're trying to excuse the idiots and put the blame on the police. If this Dodds blokes methods lead to getting some convictions then great. These idiots are usually the same people who will regularly cause trouble on any normal weekend night around the pubs in town, so nicking them is ultimately a better result long term for every decent person.

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

Quoted from Grim74

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

Well said Grim74

Prevention always has to be better than cure in situations such as these

Police intelligence ( I know - it's an over-used oxymoron ) should have been such that things should never have escalated to the extent it did

For the police to 'boast' late on yesterday about having contained things seems way off the mark given the reports I've heard from friends and family who had nothing to do with the game but got caught up in the middle of it all

So it would be OK for the police to stand by and watch a rape or murder get committed as long as they got it on camera for a conviction eh ?

What qualifies a policeman to become a football liaison officer I have no idea but I'd like to thing being a fan of the game and a follower of football for a few years would be high up in the criteria .
Everyone that I spoke to in the run up to this game knew there would be bother , surely the police should hve he a clue too

It resembled key stone cops on Saturday at times poorly organised with absolutely no obvious leadership

I've been to some games where just to give plod a look they want to start something yet the clowns yesterday just stood around letting more and more Sheffield United stand in the score board corner verbally having a go at the Town fans in the Stones/Findus/Youngs stand.

Plod were basically useless in the ground.

Quoted from Grim74

So what you are saying then is that we can justify this type of police operation, where innocent members of the public get caught up in violence just to get some convictions.

What about a glass hitting a child then do we put that down as collateral damage just as long as those conviction figures and banning orders go up.

No, I'm saying that you are coming across as saying "the thugs are fine its all the police's fault". Your above argument, looked at the other way around, is saying is it is alright to turn a blind eye to people who are intent on causing violence and just keep them running around - but what about if they go and attack/glass someone the next night down meggies. At the end of the day those involved are brain dead, nasty and aggressive morons who deserve to be nicked.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

A good majority of blades looked risk to me they had 300 maybe more up for mischief I've been around long enough to realise who's who in this case they needed kettling and corralling , the police failed to keep order it's their job to keep order they failed miserably.

Yes, like I said. The Old Bill should deal with the miscreants and leave the innocent alone.

300 is not a 'good majority' of 2000. It's not even a bad one.

I say, boat all these thugs wanting to fight out to one of the fortresses in the middle of the estuary at high tide, give them all the weapons they want and leave them to it until the last moron's standing, then hope he tries swimming back to shore and gets clipped up by a P&O ferry. I've got no time for these brainless idiots that bring danger to innocent people and families that are on a pleasure day out.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I've been to some games where just to give plod a look they want to start something yet the clowns yesterday just stood around letting more and more Sheffield United stand in the score board corner verbally having a go at the Town fans in the Stones/Findus/Youngs stand.

Plod were basically useless in the ground.

From where I was sat (Pontoon back centre), that looked like a matter of sheer numbers. I could see a few empty seats in the Osmond, but there looked to be many more than that standing in that corner. I can only presume the authorities weren't prepared for such large numbers of travelling fans and believed they were better off in the ground rather than on the streets.

I didn't see any of the trouble and, the Sheffield United fans I encountered afterwards were absolutely fine and wished us well for the season ahead. But, assuming this is true, I'd love to know why the away coaches were allowed to arrive early and their passengers taken straight into Cleethorpes, thus easing access to alcohol and potentially accelerating and worsening the trouble.

Quoted from EY Mariner

From where I was sat (Pontoon back centre), that looked like a matter of sheer numbers. I could see a few empty seats in the Osmond, but there looked to be many more than that standing in that corner. I can only presume the authorities weren't prepared for such large numbers of travelling fans and believed they were better off in the ground rather than on the streets.

I didn't see any of the trouble and, the Sheffield United fans I encountered afterwards were absolutely fine and wished us well for the season ahead. But, assuming this is true, I'd love to know why the away coaches were allowed to arrive early and their passengers taken straight into Cleethorpes, thus easing access to alcohol and potentially accelerating and worsening the trouble.

From those that were allowed to stand, they hardly looked to be watching the game at all in fact there were a good number stood behind the score board all second half so they wouldn't have been able to see the game even if they wanted to.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes, like I said. The Old Bill should deal with the miscreants and leave the innocent alone.

300 is not a 'good majority' of 2000. It's not even a bad one.

Might not be the majority but 300 obvious ones wearing all the gear etc coupled with plenty of drunk blades probably pushed that number up considerably, the police seemed to me one step behind rather than one step in front and that blames goes to whoever was running the show

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

That's you banned then Grim74 for remarks about[/b] Dodds[b] like that when he reads that ^

Dodds has been replaced by a new bod

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Might not be the majority but 300 obvious ones wearing all the gear etc coupled with plenty of drunk blades probably pushed that number up considerably, the police seemed to me one step behind rather than one step in front and that blames goes to whoever was running the show

Lets be completely honest here what happened Saturday was not an accident it was allowed to happen a perfect police plan to gather evidence and get a load of bans in place afterwards.Both sets of fans fell for it hook line and sinker and now they can sit back and wait for the long arm of the law to grab the collar.Trust me you can expect to see in excess of 40 bans coming from Saturday`s antics the OB were yesterday gathering CCTV from allover the resort and weve all seen the videos on here of suggits lane.Anyway I shall be picking up my tickets for Derby away and the residents there can sleep safe in the knowledge that I shall be going to watch my team play without any intention of smashing the gaffe up.

Quoted from Grim74

It's been mentioned every time we have a large away following there is trouble, and the sole reason for this is our current police liaison officer Doddsy.

The thing is the lads these days make it all to easy for the so called intelligence officers, when it comes locating the RISK element and yesterday was no exception. Doddsy would of known exactly where both sets of these RISK supporters where and it was clearly obvious what was to follow.

The difference between Dodds and his predecessor Alan Rutter was simple,Rutter was all about preventative measures stopping the mobs in there tracks before they came into contact, I would say he had a lot of success with this method and would lead to potential rucks being diluted down to nothing more than bit of cat and mouse between old bill and the frustrated risk element.

Where as this Dodds is only interested in football related arrest figures, and this is his method... Locate rival RISK elements, get the cameras at the ready, wait for the action and roll, survey video footage over the coming months, dawn raids Aprox 6mths later for identified hooligans, massive arrest figures on the football arrest table, job done and Dodds head grows even bigger.

So as you can see two different methods of policing with alternative results one prevents disorder, and innocent members of the public getting caught up in the violence but with minimal arrests, the other does clearly not give a excrement about the family's day out in Cleethorpes enjoying their hols but will eventUally get some arrests in all be it the home fans only.

I say it's time we called for Dodds head his sole responsibility must still be to protect the public, he may of got away with this method in the past but yesterday it failed him and the public miserably with his main objection, time for a different role Mr Dodds traffic warden would be right up your street, your time is up good bye good riddance.

I'd be more inclined to get rid of the fool at the club who thought it was a good idea to arrange a friendly against a Yorkie side on a Saturday in July.

Not sure if I should be sharing this here really as it's something personal for the people involved but it is relevant in the scheme of things

While all the fighting was taking place on Saturday and seemingly just being captured on video, I heard after the game that one of my family's friends had been attacked and was taken to A&E

I've just now been told by them this morning the lad has been taken to Castle Hill in Hull and is now in an induced coma...

No further news at this stage other than to say the family are with him but he's in a bad way and it doesn't look good :(

And all this because of a "friendly" game of football....sometimes you despair! :B

Not good at all FOOW. I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery :(

Why shouldn't we be allowed to play a decent club in preseason? If some idiots want to fight then that should not stop what was a good 90 mins for both sets of players. Better measures should have been implemented to prevent large groups of mindless thugs from congregating in Clee.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Not sure if I should be sharing this here really as it's something personal for the people involved but it is relevant in the scheme of things

While all the fighting was taking place on Saturday and seemingly just being captured on video, I heard after the game that one of my family's friends had been attacked and was taken to A&E

I've just now been told by them this morning the lad has been taken to Castle Hill in Hull and is now in an induced coma...

No further news at this stage other than to say the family are with him but he's in a bad way and it doesn't look good :(

And all this because of a "friendly" game of football....sometimes you despair! :B

Bloody hell Tim! Hope he recovers mate.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

Bloody hell Tim! Hope he recovers mate.

I first heard about it when I called in to see my uncle & aunt after the match Chris

Just talking in general as you do about things, catching up, having a cuppa and mentioned there'd been some skirmishes in and around Cleethorpes

Then just after 6-00 my aunt got a call from her friend in bit of a tizz saying she was at the hospital with her son who'd been attacked and she was understandably shocked and wanted to talk

Got told this morning about the latest developments...as its stands, he's obviously in the best place for his injuries but a worrying time for all concerned :-/

Fingers crossed Tim.

Wow ... Really hope this kid recovers and recovers to his full capacity , fingers crossed

Quoted from Tinymariner

Why shouldn't we be allowed to play a decent club in preseason? If some idiots want to fight then that should not stop what was a good 90 mins for both sets of players. Better measures should have been implemented to prevent large groups of mindless thugs from congregating in Clee.

How exactly would you set about doing that? It would take a huge police presence. The arrival of the away fans would be staggered and they would be largely by car. The police already know where the trouble will be. They move on the Grimsby yobs in the Avenue and sea front but they can't lock 'em up unless they do something so they just disperse and come back together a few minutes later. The away fans do the same at the bars on High Street and Alex Road.

I've lost count of the number of times over the years I've seen this happen at Cleethorpes with Yorkshire teams. As soon as it's summer time or a bank holiday it makes it even worse.

So why do it voluntarily? Why put the people of Cleethorpes and summer visitors at risk? Why cost the taxpayers a fortune in policing costs? (Will the club shell out some of the gate money for that? Not on your life.) Why do all this for the sake of a meaningless non-competitive match? There must be other teams of similar quality and standing we could play without causing this sort of aggravation in the town. Someone at the club dropped a b@llock here.

From the point of view of a club that needs all the community support it can get this is a PR disaster. Look at the letters in the GT and see how it has given ammunition to the anti-new ground lot. Listen to what people think around Cleethorpes about Saturday. It's the last thing the club needs.

We are in our own little world here on the Fishy but at least most of us do think about the bigger picture of life from time to time. It looks like the people at BP are in an even smaller world than ours.

Hope that he recovers soon Tim.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Hope that he recovers soon Tim.

Cheers Les

I know Hull doesn't hold too many happy memories for you but fingers crossed, here's hoping he pulls through once the hospital's staff get on with sorting him out

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Cheers Les

I know Hull doesn't hold too many happy memories for you but fingers crossed, here's hoping he pulls through once the hospital's staff get on with sorting him out

True, I was in Hull Royal Infirmary though and the care there was superb and I'm told Castle Hill is supposed to be a better hospital, so lets hope they can get him sorted mate.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

I first heard about it when I called in to see my uncle & aunt after the match Chris

Just talking in general as you do about things, catching up, having a cuppa and mentioned there'd been some skirmishes in and around Cleethorpes

Then just after 6-00 my aunt got a call from her friend in bit of a tizz saying she was at the hospital with her son who'd been attacked and she was understandably shocked and wanted to talk

Got told this morning about the latest developments...as its stands, he's obviously in the best place for his injuries but a worrying time for all concerned :-/

Hope he makes a full and swift recovery.

Quoted from Tinymariner

Why shouldn't we be allowed to play a decent club in preseason? If some idiots want to fight then that should not stop what was a good 90 mins for both sets of players. Better measures should have been implemented to prevent large groups of mindless thugs from congregating in Clee.

So you think it was a good idea to organise it on a Saturday afternoon allowing an assortment of idiots to get drunk up and impersonate football fans?

No, I'm saying that we shouldn't allow mindless idiots to ruin our sport.

Quoted from Tinymariner

No, I'm saying that we shouldn't allow mindless idiots to ruin our sport.

We shouldn't I agree ... However the writing was on the wall regarding this fixture and humberside police completely failed to keep law and order in Cleethorpes.when the blades left sheff station at 9 am on sat did the British transport plod radio through to Gy and say no risk element travelling all just coming for a jolly boys outing???

Quoted from Tinymariner

No, I'm saying that we shouldn't allow mindless idiots to ruin our sport.

Maybe not - but they have been for years and every fanbase has a number of neanderthals hellbent on causing mindless and senseless damage to both people and property. The organisation of Saturday's fixture gave them an ideal opportunity to do so.

Quoted from grimps

I wasn't blaming the average Bobby , I was blaming the officer that gets paid to be in charge of policing Grimsby games

Well I blame the moronic fans from both sets of supporters who can't just enjoy a day out to a football match without getting totally bladdered and then want to take on the world. There is something about the British psyche that involves having to consume large amounts of alcohol just to have a good time. I know I will get some indignant replies to this but I have been in many countries but you can always tell the Brits by their drunken behaviour whether that is in Greece, Spain, Turkey, Bulgaria or France. The only place I haven't witnessed their drunken behaviour is in the US but then again you have to be 21 to drink there ( very sensible in my opinion ) and you would certainly get short shrift from the US police if you did misbehave.

I read some of my uncle's war letters recently and in one he reminisced about an fa cup quarter final between town and sheff utd. He commented on the amount of drink and the trouble between fans. That was in the 1930s but 80 years later we don't seem to have moved on

http://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/disorder-in-cleethorpes-club-statement-3206273.aspx

What a very strange and poorly written statement.

Seems the club has taken to the moral high ground and seem hell bent in antagonising the police.

IMO the previous comments about the lack of preventative measures by the police has some credit but the bottom line is these people are not football fans they are hooligans and due to their behaviour they should be treated as roughly as they treat one another

Nothing strange about that statement....the club making it quite clear that it was absolutely nothing to do with them...
No trouble in or immediately outside the ground as the club is run perfectly.........
Its everyone elses fault in a nutshell......

Quoted from Cloudy

http://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/disorder-in-cleethorpes-club-statement-3206273.aspx

What a very strange and poorly written statement.

Seems the club has taken to the moral high ground and seem hell bent in antagonising the police.

IMO the previous comments about the lack of preventative measures by the police has some credit but the bottom line is these people are not football fans they are hooligans and due to their behaviour they should be treated as roughly as they treat one another

I think it best that I don't type what I'm thinking about that statement.

All a bit pathetic really, especially in this day and age and not what the club needed when they're trying to push forward the new stadium.

The complaints about the policing do hold some weight though. As much as the mindless scumbags shouldn't do it, how did it even get to the point it did in the first place?

Quoted from Cloudy

http://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/disorder-in-cleethorpes-club-statement-3206273.aspx

What a very strange and poorly written statement.

Seems the club has taken to the moral high ground and seem hell bent in antagonising the police.

IMO the previous comments about the lack of preventative measures by the police has some credit but the bottom line is these people are not football fans they are hooligans and due to their behaviour they should be treated as roughly as they treat one another

A superb example of how NOT to win friends and influence people

Cocktail of disasters fans arriving early pubs open not enough police. It was widely known a big away following would be there . Cleethorpes is almost a second home for Yorkshire in the summer.

Good point made by the club though regarding the section 35 notices, maybe the police could of given them the option of straight to the ground or back on the train, Lincolnshire police did this one year when town fans turned up on mass early one year.

I see the club have had the thesaurus out again!!! How embarrassing :-/

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I see the club have had the thesaurus out again!!! How embarrassing :-/

Does anyone actually proofread these statements before releasing them.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Does anyone actually proofread these statements before releasing them.

I think not. Looks like the rantings of a madman. What kind of way is that to communicate with fans, another club and the police? Whoever has written that is just firing blame at anyone they can. I don't particularly think anything that went on was the club's fault, but a bit of diplomacy and professionalism would be nice. The fuzz are gonna be totally copulated off with the club now, gonna be a struggle to have a favourable relationship.

Yet another PR c0ck up.
I understand the clubs point about no incidents in their area of responsibility. But the rest of the statement serves no useful purpose at all. We need all the friends we can get to pursue the new ground. All that has done is to make more enemies. IMHO Whoever is in charge of PR should not hold that role.

Who the f.uck wrote that statement? It's an absolute embarrassment. The use of ridiculous words that would only be found on the times crossword followed by misspelling and the wrong words completely. Brilliant work .

Maybe the club should have a Communications Attaché.

Jeez, another cringe-worthy statement from the club.

Uuuugh that's awful. And going by previous statements on here, to me, it looks to have been written by JF and proofread by flipping nobody.

Reading the content of the statement, it brings to mind whether it was really necessary to make one at all..

Ffs was whoever wrote that pisssed up absolute cringe

Whilst the club probably never even gave a thought to the possible outcome of arranging such a high profile game on a summer Saturday, I have to agree with what I think their assertion is that plod completely and utterly copulated up.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Whilst the club probably never even gave a thought to the possible outcome of arranging such a high profile game on a summer Saturday, I have to agree with what I think their assertion is that plod completely and utterly copulated up.

Yes but if you need a working relationship with them, surely the best thing to do is sort it out behind closed doors rather than slag them off in public.. Especially when a few of them got injured while you were safe in a BP boardroom.

Buck passing.

Roughly translated it says the club has the right to make a complete @rse of things by arranging a fixture they know is likely to attract trouble and it is up to the police to organise themselves properly and get the club out of the sh!t at no expense and embarrassment to the club.

The club should be able to invite any team they like for a friendly , this was all totally avoidable if the police had been up early and on the ball.
We've had crowds four or five times bigger than this over the years with no trouble at all.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Does anyone actually proofread these statements before releasing them.

I'm guessing 70 degrees proof reading

Quoted from immariner

Uuuugh that's awful. And going by previous statements on here, to me, it looks to have been written by JF and proofread by flipping nobody.

Really? It looks like the work of his son or some other 11 year old

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Maybe the club should have a Communications Attaché.

Maybe he's been disbursed! ;)

You can blame the police, the club or anyone you want for the trouble, but ultimately it all boils down to the fans (or so called fans). Why do we have to settle for scapegoating the police because they should know it is going to happen. How about we solely blame the hooligans who engage in such activities.

Hope the injured lad gets well soon.

GTFC official statement, seriously? A child could have written that in a more professional and appropriate manner. Sometimes the unprofessional nature of this club baffles me :-/

Quoted from heppy88

GTFC official statement, seriously? A child could have written that in a more professional and appropriate manner. Sometimes the unprofessional nature of this club baffles me :-/

It's been printed in the telegraph today too! ??)

I hear a meeting will take place sometime this week to discuss the events shame they never had a meeting before the game.On a serious note regarding Policing these sort of I guess high risk fixtures would it not be an idea for the powers that be to talk to the supporters trust?Terry Rudrum for example spent a lot of years involved with stewarding at matches and I don't know but suspect like many of us he could have confidently predicted what would happen unless policed robustly. I repeat only my opinion but I don't think Saturday was an accident I think someone somewhere wanted to gather video evidence and stop the Season for certain parties before it began.Job done on that score.

Quoted from Mariner93er

You can blame the police, the club or anyone you want for the trouble, but ultimately it all boils down to the fans (or so called fans). Why do we have to settle for scapegoating the police because they should know it is going to happen. How about we solely blame the hooligans who engage in such activities.

The Police are given resource to prevent this type of disorder occurring at games their failure to control the situation albeit outside the ground needs reviewing because God forbid when they are given carte blanche and get it wrong inside things like Hillsborough can occur.The hooligans will be picked up now as a result of the CCTV and evidence gathering but for those innocents caught up in it see HORSE, GATE AND BOLTED

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

Quoted from Mariner93er

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

So your point is that there should be something to stop people fighting in the street? Rules of some description, which people should abide by and be punished for breaking them?

Almost, I dunno, like laws?

The statement is possibly the worst thing I've ever read on a number of levels, not even the eye-bleach has helped. There's no point going into it all on here as I've not got a full day spare.

If the club had any brains about them, they'd use this to positively promote the new stadium - espousing the good news about how these kind of incidents can be, and have been, virtually be "designed out" of football in new purpose built stadia around the country. A new stadium with better access & links from major transport hubs, that don't require a 1.5 mile walk down the back of a deserted railway line not covered by CCTV, would surely only serve to stop this sort of thing? BP is not currently fit for purpose, they keep telling us, maybe this is one reason why?

You'd expect a politician to be able to put that sort of a spin on things, but what we've got is a flipping head case who'd be happier having his picture taken on the beach, shovelling grass about.

Quoted from Mariner93er

My point is, the police shouldn't be given the chance to get it wrong, if people could act civilised( a minority obviously).

So called football hooliganism has been going on for well over 40 years which suggests that they have no intention of downing tools anytime soon and also and perhaps more alarmingly for some it is just part of the matchday experience.On a personal note when Town are at home and playing the likes of Sheff Utd I know where to avoid if I don't want to get caught up in anything.The low home support Saturday suggests over 50% of Towns regular fans also gave it a swerve a large percentage of those probably due to the likely events.

I avoid any situation where violence may ensue but this isnt new. Violence in the streets has gone on for hundreds of years so the do gooders can do one as far as I am concerned. Police should have been more aware and used their famous 'intelligence' to prevent as much as possible.

Briefly caught the Police commander or whatever her title is on the radio this morning, in one breath she said football clubs must pay for Policing away from the stadiums and then added that they were recruiting more police for the City of Culture claptrap. Is the City of Culture paying for the new coppers? Do the pubs and clubs in every Town & City pay for Policing around throwing out time?

My guess is no they dont so why should football clubs, especially ones like ours who are far from cash rich be made to do so.

Quoted from grimps

The club should be able to invite any team they like for a friendly , this was all totally avoidable if the police had been up early and on the ball.
We've had crowds four or five times bigger than this over the years with no trouble at all.

Oh yes. Dead easy that. The club is whiter than white, no responsibility, it's all down to someone else. The last time I heard an argument like that Tony Blair was making it. You are just demonstrating the don't care attitude that has got so many people's backs up in the town about the club and as they see it, the underserving cause of a new stadium.

The size of the crowd is irrelevant. It's what they do that matters and it was obvious that if you put Sheffield United with Grimsby Town on a July Saturday afternoon that you would need an army of police to be everywhere and stop trouble at source.

So are you going to dig in your pocket and pay for that policing? No you won't want to do that will you?
You leave it to the good people of North East Lincolnshire to pick up the tab for the stupidity of your football club. Lucky people, not only do they get the hooligans, they get to pay for the pleasure of it as well
And all the club can talk about is banning orders and all the "fans" can do is moan that the police are not where they should be or not doing what they should do.

The world is as it is. We know in an ideal world any club can play any other club and fans will walk in and out chatting and chanting in good humour. We'd all love our games to be like that but they aren't. All this claptrap about transport hubs and stuff being the answer is eyewash. Like Garth said earlier on, the rivalry goes back decades. When longstanding enemies meet they will find a way to fight, police or no police.

Therefore the only way to stop it is to not give them a freebie by way of a friendly.

We don't like it. We think it's giving in to the yobs. We want our rights! We'd rather risk it and say "It's our right to have any match we want and bu99er the consequences."

So well done to the club for putting the new ground back on the agenda in just the way we didn't want it and giving the opposition even more ammunition to force the club out of town.

It really is time Mr Fenty brought the club into the real world because at the moment we are on Fantasy Island.

Quoted from ska face

The statement is possibly the worst thing I've ever read on a number of levels, not even the eye-bleach has helped. There's no point going into it all on here as I've not got a full day spare.

If the club had any brains about them, they'd use this to positively promote the new stadium - espousing the good news about how these kind of incidents can be, and have been, virtually be "designed out" of football in new purpose built stadia around the country. A new stadium with better access & links from major transport hubs, that don't require a 1.5 mile walk down the back of a deserted railway line not covered by CCTV, would surely only serve to stop this sort of thing? BP is not currently fit for purpose, they keep telling us, maybe this is one reason why?

You'd expect a politician to be able to put that sort of a spin on things, but what we've got is a flipping head case who'd be happier having his picture taken on the beach, shovelling grass about.

Some excellent points and I agree regarding this latest infantile statement.One point though despite the video of the suggitts lane skirmish the main trouble was in and around CLPS Market Place and High St and most major incidents of this type at football in the last 25 years are. On that basis how would a new ground have stopped the Sheff U lot from heading into CLPS before the game they clearly brought large numbers intent on causing or engaging in trouble and found willing participants lying in wait?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Some excellent points and I agree regarding this latest infantile statement.One point though despite the video of the suggitts lane skirmish the main trouble was in and around CLPS Market Place and High St and most major incidents of this type at football in the last 25 years are. On that basis how would a new ground have stopped the Sheff U lot from heading into CLPS before the game they clearly brought large numbers intent on causing or engaging in trouble and found willing participants lying in wait?

As others have said a new ground would make no difference in my opinion and trying to use the violence of Saturday to somehow spin the positives of moving would have been a terrible idea.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Oh yes. Dead easy that. The club is whiter than white, no responsibility, it's all down to someone else. The last time I heard an argument like that Tony Blair was making it. You are just demonstrating the don't care attitude that has got so many people's backs up in the town about the club and as they see it, the underserving cause of a new stadium.

The size of the crowd is irrelevant. It's what they do that matters and it was obvious that if you put Sheffield United with Grimsby Town on a July Saturday afternoon that you would need an army of police to be everywhere and stop trouble at source.

So are you going to dig in your pocket and pay for that policing? No you won't want to do that will you?
You leave it to the good people of North East Lincolnshire to pick up the tab for the stupidity of your football club. Lucky people, not only do they get the hooligans, they get to pay for the pleasure of it as well
And all the club can talk about is banning orders and all the "fans" can do is moan that the police are not where they should be or not doing what they should do.

The world is as it is. We know in an ideal world any club can play any other club and fans will walk in and out chatting and chanting in good humour. We'd all love our games to be like that but they aren't. All this claptrap about transport hubs and stuff being the answer is eyewash. Like Garth said earlier on, the rivalry goes back decades. When longstanding enemies meet they will find a way to fight, police or no police.

Therefore the only way to stop it is to not give them a freebie by way of a friendly.

We don't like it. We think it's giving in to the yobs. We want our rights! We'd rather risk it and say "It's our right to have any match we want and bu99er the consequences."

So well done to the club for putting the new ground back on the agenda in just the way we didn't want it and giving the opposition even more ammunition to force the club out of town.

It really is time Mr Fenty brought the club into the real world because at the moment we are on Fantasy Island.

As others have pointed out though Ron bussing hundreds of Sheff into CLPS and also allowing hundreds more unchecked off the trains whilst the locals sat in wait needs explaining by the Police someone gave the green light question is who and why?

It certainly looks like clarion call from JF. Jings, what an embarrassment.

Quoted from jock dock tower

It certainly looks like clarion call from JF. Jings, what an embarrassment.

He should have deconstructed a Sheff Utd flag and rallied the natives.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

As others have pointed out though Ron bussing hundreds of Sheff into CLPS and also allowing hundreds more unchecked off the trains whilst the locals sat in wait needs explaining by the Police someone gave the green light question is who and why?

Mickey - that may or may not be true. To be honest I really don't care either way. I am just fed up of this whitewashing of the club over arranging the fixture in the first place.

However you look at it there is no escaping the one and only important fact. No Sheffield United = no trains, no buses, no fights, no police costs, no bad publicity, no problem.

If the people at BP could not/cannot see and admit that then they are not fit to be running a football club.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

As others have pointed out though Ron bussing hundreds of Sheff into CLPS and also allowing hundreds more unchecked off the trains whilst the locals sat in wait needs explaining by the Police someone gave the green light question is who and why?

Yes, all true, but this could have been cut off at source by arranging the game for a midweek night. The Sheffield clubs' fans (both sets) have been waiting years for a good reason to come to BP and trash Cleethorpes. Most of us with any experience of when we were in higher leagues know full well what happens when Yorkshire clubs come to town and there's enough people in the boardroom who do too. The club's statement tries to gloss over what appears to be at best, an accident waiting to happen, and at worst an incident that may well have endangered lives and property.

What gets me is that the majority of these idiots are in their 30's, 40's and even 50's and should know better by now.

Don't they give a toss about what their actions could bring about. Smack someone in the face, they fall over, crack their head and could end up in a coma or even dead and then they're facing a manslaughter charge.

I've always tried to stay away from the trouble, even more so now as just one blow to the head for me could end up killing me. I look normal enough (ish) to the naked eye but people have conditions that the eye cannot see and these mindless idiots could well end up killing someone.

I like a drink as much as the next man and often go by train to away games so that I can have a good drink. I never feel like walking up to a fellow human being and smacking him in the face just because he supports a different football club than I do.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Mickey - that may or may not be true. To be honest I really don't care either way. I am just fed up of this whitewashing of the club over arranging the fixture in the first place.

However you look at it there is no escaping the one and only important fact. No Sheffield United = no trains, no buses, no fights, no police costs, no bad publicity, no problem.

If the people at BP could not/cannot see and admit that then they are not fit to be running a football club.

This is it. It wasn't even a maybe - Yorkshire football fans neanderthals, particularly Sheffield clubs, Leeds and Donny used to love an early or late season Saturday fixture in Cleethorpes so what did we do? We went and made one up for them.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Some excellent points and I agree regarding this latest infantile statement.One point though despite the video of the suggitts lane skirmish the main trouble was in and around CLPS Market Place and High St and most major incidents of this type at football in the last 25 years are. On that basis how would a new ground have stopped the Sheff U lot from heading into CLPS before the game they clearly brought large numbers intent on causing or engaging in trouble and found willing participants lying in wait?

I'm not a politician mate ;)

Though this is the type of incident that residents are concerned about, and have already been very vocal about this in consultation events & in the press. I'd certainly have had an eye on "damage limitation", first and foremost, rather than just pouring petrol over everything. I understand what you're saying entirely, but this could have been an opportunity to address the issue positively from a PR point of view, something vague about future opportunities to investigate and adopt robust safety and policing procedures, developing plans in line with the excellent and demonstrably successful work already being done across the football league to reduce disorder, and working with local partners and local communities to bring the club into the 21st Century in every way.

What does it mean in practice? Not a great deal. Fans will still be drinking in town or meggies and have a journey through a residential area (if transport plans aren't put in place) to make. But any statement by the club essentially means jaff all anyway, as we all know - it's a PR exercise, but Fenty just can't manage it. There WILL be an opportunity to look at policing arrangements with a new ground, but we're a millions miles away from that point at the minute, so details are obviously pointless. A token mention is all that was needed, but this is what we've been served up, and people wonder why the club are no nearer a new ground now than 20 years ago?

Quoted from Les Brechin

What gets me is that the majority of these idiots are in their 30's, 40's and even 50's and should know better by now.

Don't they give a toss about what their actions could bring about. Smack someone in the face, they fall over, crack their head and could end up in a coma or even dead and then they're facing a manslaughter charge.

I've always tried to stay away from the trouble, even more so now as just one blow to the head for me could end up killing me. I look normal enough (ish) to the naked eye but people have conditions that the eye cannot see and these mindless idiots could well end up killing someone.

I like a drink as much as the next man and often go by train to away game so that I can have a good drink. I never feel like walking up to a fellow human being and smacking him in the face just because he supports a different football club than I do.

Spot on Les.

Quoted from Les Brechin

What gets me is that the majority of these idiots are in their 30's, 40's and even 50's and should know better by now.

Don't they give a toss about what their actions could bring about. Smack someone in the face, they fall over, crack their head and could end up in a coma or even dead and then they're facing a manslaughter charge.

I've always tried to stay away from the trouble, even more so now as just one blow to the head for me could end up killing me. I look normal enough (ish) to the naked eye but people have conditions that the eye cannot see and these mindless idiots could well end up killing someone.

I like a drink as much as the next man and often go by train to away game so that I can have a good drink. I never feel like walking up to a fellow human being and smacking him in the face just because he supports a different football club than I do.

That's because you're not a "top lad" bedecked in Burberry from head to toe. Wouldn't lose any sleep over it Les.
)Mistake rectified Les)

I remember when they were called lager louts in the right wing hang em and flog em press. That always upset me as a drinker of Bass mild, as I too wanted to be seen as a thug but mild lout just didn't have that ring to it?

Quoted from ska face

So your point is that there should be something to stop people fighting in the street? Rules of some description, which people should abide by and be punished for breaking them?

Almost, I dunno, like laws?

No, my point is people shouldn't need the police or laws for that matter to prevent them from being hooligans, they should recognise that it is a nonsensical activity. What you have just implied with your comment there is that people needs laws as we are too stupid to recognise right from wrong

There seems a funny sense of Karma about the whole thing. When town fans went over to Alfreton via Sheffield. We didn't exactly cover ourselves in glory that day did we. Seems like the trouble Saturday could of been a backlash. The club's statement is a bit daft however. Every football fan has a duty to behave

Quoted from Mariner93er

No, my point is people shouldn't need the police or laws for that matter to prevent them from being hooligans, they should recognise that it is a nonsensical activity. What you have just implied with your comment there is that people needs laws as we are too stupid to recognise right from wrong

Well as a species we are!

This sort of thing as been going on for hundreds or even thousands of years, just because normal people see it as futile isnt going to stop it. It needs effective policing and preventative measures, always has, always will.

A new stadium isnt going to change it but better policing and a club (including staff who are involved in this 'planning') need to get their head out their bottom and stop playing points scoring games ( leave that for the on field chaps)

Quoted from jock dock tower

I remember when they were called lager louts in the right wing hang em and flog em press. That always upset me as a drinker of Bass mild, as I too wanted to be seen as a thug but mild lout just didn't have that ring to it?

Yes! Bass Mild - I knew something good would come out of this thread!

Anyone that thinks that a new stadium on the outskirts of town would stop visiting fans going to Cleethorpes for a drink on a sunny day hasn't got a clue , ethyl still all head that way pre match wherever the ground is built

Quoted from excusebeef

There seems a funny sense of Karma about the whole thing. When town fans went over to Alfreton via Sheffield. We didn't exactly cover ourselves in glory that day did we. Seems like the trouble Saturday could of been a backlash. The club's statement is a bit daft however. Every football fan has a duty to behave

Are you Hoddle in disguise? !!
I'll bet you that at least 90% (and that's conservative) of those adversely affected on Saturday never even went to Alfreton, never mind bloody Sheffield.
Karma was the young lads steaming across the railway tracks and getting slapped. Karma is NOT the landlady of a pub that raises a lot of money for charity getting her car bricked. Or the Market stall holders loosing hundreds of pounds.
Karma my @rse.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yes! Bass Mild - I knew something good would come out of this thread!

I am frankly p!ssed off with the moans and groans from the publicans about how much they lost in takings after the police asked them to close for a couple of hours

FFS how much more did they take over and above their normal Saturday 9am trade whilst filling the Sheffield visitors up with ale all morning?

Those town fans(really?) that got a beating on sea wall surely couldn't of gone to the game! By the time we all got out the police blocked anyone going down the side streets, so how did they get there? (must of been waiting in which case how come the police didn't know of their presence) As regular town fans we all know who they are, not by name or looks just the fact that these people(really?) are hanging round B.P when we play a local side. Therefore I ask what is the point of banning orders when they never go to the game, its like banning me from McDonald's when Ive never used one and never will. 1/4 of the sheff U fans never watched the game(stood with the back to the pitch) and got upset when the police wouldn't let them out at half time. Sadly there is no effective deterrent that I or anyone else can realistically come up with that works. Excellent point made by Ipswin(post above), really think we should campaign to bring back the old licensing laws of opening hours, this country is not sensible enough to have European opening times, just walk down Freemo on a Saturday morning and see what some people are having for breakfast in the pub windows. I really do despair :B

Quoted from Civvy at last

Are you Hoddle in disguise? !!
I'll bet you that at least 90% (and that's conservative) of those adversely affected on Saturday never even went to Alfreton, never mind bloody Sheffield.
Karma was the young lads steaming across the railway tracks and getting slapped. Karma is NOT the landlady of a pub that raises a lot of money for charity getting her car bricked. Or the Market stall holders loosing hundreds of pounds.
Karma my @rse.

Alright calm down, talk about missing the point here. As I said in my post, I think all fans have a duty to behave regardless. I don't think you can be sure that the way we behaved over there did not have a direct influence on events on Saturday. Town fans left Sheffield in a total sh!t tip, smashed glass all over the city and police getting attacked. Unfortunately the d!ck heads get the headlines as usual

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yes! Bass Mild - I knew something good would come out of this thread!

Always imbibed at Billy Cairns's on Saturday's, pre match, whenever we did our weekly shop down Freemo Market. Those were the days,

Quoted from jock dock tower

Always imbibed at Billy Cairns's on Saturday's, pre match, whenever we did our weekly shop down Freemo Market. Those were the days,

Started drinking it at The Plough in Tetney when the late Denis Shepherd had it - before Town matches on a Saturday, after a Sunday league game on a Sunday lunch when you had to be out by 2!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Started drinking it at The Plough in Tetney when the late Denis Shepherd had it - before Town matches on a Saturday, after a Sunday league game on a Sunday lunch when you had to be out by 2!

That must have been a long walk. ;)

Quoted from Les Brechin

That must have been a long walk. ;)

Hehe - always got a lift!

Quoted from excusebeef

Alright calm down, talk about missing the point here. As I said in my post, I think all fans have a duty to behave regardless. I don't think you can be sure that the way we behaved over there did not have a direct influence on events on Saturday. Town fans left Sheffield in a total sh!t tip, smashed glass all over the city and police getting attacked. Unfortunately the d!ck heads get the headlines as usual

That's not Karma though. Karma is what happens to a person because of their previous actions. Not what happens to innocent bystanders because of someone else's actions. Unless you are indicating that the landlady of the No 1 was a top hooligan in a previous existence. In which case she deserves everything she gets ;).
And for the record, I walked round Cleethorpes centre well before the Yorkies arrived and looking at the layout of the Market stalls and the furniture outside the pubs, I could have told you it would all go wrong.

Whoever is in charge of Feng Shui dept on Cleethorpes Council wants shooting !!!

Any update on the lad injured?

http://m.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/grimsby-town-fan-46-in-serious-condition-in-hospital-after-unprovoked-attack/story-29557278-detail/story.html

I don't know if this is the same guy.

Quoted from psgmariner

http://m.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/grimsby-town-fan-46-in-serious-condition-in-hospital-after-unprovoked-attack/story-29557278-detail/story.html

I don't know if this is the same guy.

The Star - Sheffield News,

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-united-football-match-attack-witness-appeal-1-8037011

The telewag article says..."we are due to play them again in a few days".....
Is that right??

Yep another chance to wreak cleethorpes.

http://www.viewfromthejohnstreet.com/all-posts/2016/7/27/why-sheffield-united-were-the-real-losers-despite-blades-beating-grimsby-town-3-1-at-blundell-park?

Their PR must be proper shite if they are jealous of ours!

Sheff UTD fan gets a three-year football banning order ( BBC NEWS ) -

A man who threw a Vimto drink at a police officer following a pre-season friendly between Grimsby Town and Sheffield United has been given a three-year football banning order.
Two officers were injured when glasses, bottles and other items were thrown during fighting on 23 July.
Brett Houlsworth, 29, from Sheffield, admitted assaulting a policeman when he appeared before magistrates in Grimsby.
The court heard he threw Vimto at an officer at a railway station.
He was unhappy that his uncle was being held in a headlock by another officer, magistrates were told.
Houlsworth, of Wadsworth Avenue, was also given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Another man Perry Smith, 30, of Garland Close, Westfield, in Sheffield, pleaded not guilty to a charge of assault by beating when he appeared before the same magistrates.
He is due to stand trial on 29 September.
Two other men, who were charged after the trouble in Cleethorpes, are due to appear at the same court later this month.

Throwing vimto at the police ;D

He will never live that one down the bell end.

Quoted from psgmariner

Throwing vimto at the police ;D

He will never live that one down the bell end.

almost as bad as "assault with an inflatable shark"

Quoted from promotion plaice

Sheff UTD fan gets a three-year football banning order ( BBC NEWS ) -

A man who threw a Vimto drink at a police officer following a pre-season friendly between Grimsby Town and Sheffield United has been given a three-year football banning order.
Two officers were injured when glasses, bottles and other items were thrown during fighting on 23 July.
Brett Houlsworth, 29, from Sheffield, admitted assaulting a policeman when he appeared before magistrates in Grimsby.
The court heard he threw Vimto at an officer at a railway station.
He was unhappy that his uncle was being held in a headlock by another officer, magistrates were told.
Houlsworth, of Wadsworth Avenue, was also given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Another man Perry Smith, 30, of Garland Close, Westfield, in Sheffield, pleaded not guilty to a charge of assault by beating when he appeared before the same magistrates.
He is due to stand trial on 29 September.
Two other men, who were charged after the trouble in Cleethorpes, are due to appear at the same court later this month.

nice of them to print the name and address of someone who, as yet, is innocent until proven guilty....

Quoted from moosey_club

The telewag article says..."we are due to play them again in a few days".....
Is that right??

Well the club should give the game to Sheffield Utd and avoid any problems caused by their fans. I just don't know what the club are thinking about, allowing this game to take place - anyone with half a brain cell can see it's asking for trouble!! ;)

Quoted from psgmariner

Throwing vimto at the police ;D

He will never live that one down the bell end.

It could have been worse if it was Tango.

Innocent people having their address printed in the paper while policemen found guilty of assault don't even have their names printed

Quoted from grimps

Innocent people having their address printed in the paper while policemen found guilty of assault don't even have their names printed

I thought we lived in the USA where you are guilty until proven innocent ?

Quoted from grimps

Innocent people having their address printed in the paper while policemen found guilty of assault don't even have their names printed

The guy appeared and was charged in a magistrates court ( open to the public ) and his case was referred to a higher court. Nothing to do with being pre-judged , just the way it works. Once his case appeared in a court then his details are in the public domain. Anyone can attend these courts and consequently are privy to his personal details. All the GET did was report his appearance and charging - it happens at every court open to the public unless the defendant is under age when it is deemed necessary to protect them.