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grimps
August 9, 2023, 5:48pm
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Quoted from diehardmariner
Might be from the same source, but following on from Poojah's map is this, little bit outdated but I don't imagine much change (especially as it looks at tiers 1 to 8 ) - https://automaticknowledge.org/voronoi-1to8/#8/53.392/-2.208

More telling is this: https://docs.google.com/spread.....w/edit#gid=790781456
Which gives you the population within each polygon on the map.  Now obviously there are some discrepancies, as have been pointed out.  For example it's not likely we're attracting a fanbase from Withernsea just because we're closer to them as the crow flies, vice-versa with losing fans from Immingham to Hull.

That gives us just under 275,000 as a polygon population, which isn't too far off what I reckon we've got reach of.  

Using this site - https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm gives the following, based on what I'm drawing out as places I think we've got or had reach previously, that's over 300,000 to go at.



Of course some will argue that my map is too close to other teams, places like Market Rasen and Wragby are too close to Lincoln and Brigg is too close to Scunny.  But to my memory, these aren't Lincoln or Scunthorpe supporting places, we've traditionally always had decent followings from those areas, right throughout the East side of Lincolnshire down to the Skeggy way on.

Even if you really scale that back and discount the likes of Wragby, accepting that they're lost to Lincoln forever, there's a huge catchment to go at.  Most importantly though it's a huge catchment with little alternative.  Anything east of Market Rasen is closer (in terms of time to travel to)to Blundell Park than any other professional club in the area.  Not many other clubs are in this position, with a lack of clubs stealing fans from your relative doorstep.  

Even if you strip it back to the 170,000 odd residents of North East Lincs, it's an hour to the next football ground.  One is in the league above us and the other is two above.  I think culturally it's a hard sell to anyone to go and support Lincoln or Hull when you're a NEL native.  

It's an enviable position with a hell of a lot of untapped potential there.  Our obstacle towards getting bigger gates and bigger support shouldn't be our location or population, if anything that's our advantage.  Football has changed beyond belief in the last 20 years. Unfortunately at the point when the game has become more and more popular, we've suffered a sustained period of decline.  Had football held such a lofty position 25-30 years ago do we really think we would only have pulled 5/6000 gates in the second tier?  Not a chance.

When success comes our way, (I mean real success, not getting back in the league) our gates could absolutely skyrocket.  If, big if, we can accommodate them.


I knew people and some local businesses that bought season tickets for Hull when they was in the  Prem.
I’m pretty sure if we was ever to get there we’d easily be able to sell 15000 season tickets
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August 9, 2023, 6:08pm
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I knew people and some local businesses that bought season tickets for Hull when they was in the  Prem.
I’m pretty sure if we was ever to get there we’d easily be able to sell 15000 season tickets


Yeah I know of a couple that travelled from grimsby to watch Hull when they was in the prem. The premiership is such a titanic juggernaut, loads of blokes who subscribe to sky or watch a premiership game on the television etc at weekends would be in the stands instead If we were in there, albeit only so long as we stayed up. Definitely be 15k gates if we could fit them in, all irrelevant tho as we aren't in the prem nor ever likely to be!
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Quoted from toontown


Yeah I know of a couple that travelled from grimsby to watch Hull when they was in the prem. The premiership is such a titanic juggernaut, loads of blokes who subscribe to sky or watch a premiership game on the television etc at weekends would be in the stands instead If we were in there, albeit only so long as we stayed up. Definitely be 15k gates if we could fit them in, all irrelevant tho as we aren't in the prem nor ever likely to be!


You’re right, but Bournemouth fans probably thought that in ‘98. Never stop dreaming….
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Going back a few decades the Findus stand car park was a bus park with supporters' buses coming in far and wide. I know 2 came from Brigg, collecting along the way. Pre Humber Bridge I believe some from Barton, Louth, Skegness and some from the Lincoln direction. It's a long time ago but that park was full of buses so I'd say getting on for 20-ish buses.

I know most have cars these days which are convenient, but it's something the club could look at. Bus, Match Ticket and a pint for say under £40! Just a thought.


Not the worst idea I've ever heard.

I guess the only barrier to that is we simply don't have the tickets available to sell as part of those packages now. But in a brave new world I would to see us flexing our reach back into Lincolnshire.
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Great bit of analysis. History is really important with football. Teams like Blackburn and Burnley punch way above polygon population weight. We have to bear in mind that Lincoln have as long a history as us, although without ever being top flight. They have a Uni and growing population. If they continue to do well on the pitch and develop Sincil or get a new ground they will pull in young fans from the fringes of our catchment whereas Scunny never really could. But facilities count massively. Walking round for the ticket office last night you can see even the big stand at Mansfield offers far more than we can in the cramped Findus.


I live Lincoln way on and there's a definite difference between the sense of tribalism in the two places. Especially in recent years there's very much a pride thing attached to Grimsby and GTFC, perhaps more so on the recent element when it comes to the football club.

It might well be just be based on the sample I see and speak to, but it feels with Lincoln it's more of a nice thing to do. Follow the local team because they're doing well. Not that sense of they're my team, my club, it's in my blood.

The Uni is literally driving forward the city. It's getting bigger, better and attracting more funds and students every single year. But how many stay? Not many.

Lincoln isn't that different to Grimsby in that it has a brain drain post 18. There isn't huge industries and careers to go at. It's more accessible but it's not in a position yet to keep hold of people post-University.


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August 10, 2023, 3:29pm
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Quoted from MuddyWaters
I wasn’t going to add any more to this thread but it’s funny what you hear when you’re in different company. Apparently there is a potential development in the pipeline, I was told where and, in theory, it makes sense. I’m not going to say any more other than that. 🤞


Oh, come on.  Your associates don't know your Fishy moniker, do they?

There are, or were, four possibilities for a new stadium location: Freemo, old fish dock, Grimsby West or Peaks Parkway.  Which three of those is it not likely to be?

Or are you one of those people who would like the club to stay at Blundell Park?

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August 10, 2023, 4:31pm

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Oh, come on.  Your associates don't know your Fishy moniker, do they?

There are, or were, four possibilities for a new stadium location: Freemo, old fish dock, Grimsby West or Peaks Parkway.  Which three of those is it not likely to be?

Or are you one of those people who would like the club to stay at Blundell Park?



None of those…



'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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August 10, 2023, 4:36pm
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None of those…



So what's the answer?



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August 10, 2023, 4:41pm
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Quoted from aldi_01


None of those…



You’re right. None of those. And, no, I don’t want us to stay at BP.
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You’re right. None of those. And, no, I don’t want us to stay at BP.


So what's the answer?



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