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There have been air fuel tankers circling the sky's around Brasov in Romania, sometimes 2 at a time. You do have to ask the question as to who and what the tankers are providing fuel for?
Sometimes these tankers come from Mildenhall so a 4 hour flight to be near a war zone is not a training exercise, all this is on flightradar 24.
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Good question mate. Not sure of the answer. I guess it’s most likely to be for NATO jets stationed in those nearby countries - US have F15’s and F35’s in the region I think and Romania, Poland, Hungary and Estonia have their own jets, presumably flying CAPs over their countries and Ukrainian borders.
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You can’t compare what Russia has historically done in Georgia and Syria and are doing right now in Ukraine with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.
The problem with Iraq was there was no proper plan in place with what to replace Saddam with and that caused a war between the installed coalition government and insurgencies. Bush & Blair destabilised Iraq and that led to a civil war.
If Bush and/or Blair had committed war crimes then why have neither of them been charged and tried by the ICC?
Russia has invaded a neighbour without any legitimate justification and is deliberately targeting civilians. That can be defined as a war crime under the Geneva Convention. And based on the Russian playbook of falsely accusing their enemy of doing what they themselves have done/are doing/will do, the Russians are about to use chemical weapons in Ukraine.
Complete nonsense, we made up stuff about weapons of mass destruction and followed the Americans like sheep, like the Russians in Ukraine we convinced the British public that we would be welcomed, we then spent years not knowing who,s side any of the natives were on and provided a perfect recruiting ground for Isis. We invaded with no direct threat to either us or America. America even had a camp to keep prisoners of war in another country because it was against their own laws, imagine the outcry if Putin sent prisoners to Cuba were they were tortured and kept locked up for years without access to a lawyer. Didn't we say the same about Saddam and chemical weapons ? The similarities are stunning. It does no make either right but don't be blind to our own history |
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I tell you where it differs, Blair and Bush created a monumental feck-up of a mess from an invasion of Iraq, that may have been illegal, but the mass death and destruction that followed was in the civil war that followed. I've no idea how many innocent civilians died at the hands of the US and UK armed forces, but they didn't deliberately kill civilians or employ ordnance on a mass scale to destroy civil buildings and kill civilians therein. At the time of the invasion the Iraqi army represented a minority ruling dictatorship that had no support from majority shia population, it surrendered or evaporated within 3 weeks, many perhaps to fight another day in a civil war in a different guise. Total feck-up, yes, creating a vacuum for Sunni's and Shias to kill each other en masse yes, illegal invasion, probably, civilian deaths from precision weapons wrongly targeted yes, a few rogue squaddies killing civilians yes, deliberate encircling of cities with artillery and attacks with air power and missiles to indiscriminately flatten cities and kill civilians therein no
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It’s irrelevant whether or not Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is like our invasion of Iraq. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If you want to criticise the invasion of a Iraq you should also criticise the invasion of Ukraine.
Don’t get sidetracked by Whataboutism. It’s just cover for aggressors.
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There have been air fuel tankers circling the sky's around Brasov in Romania, sometimes 2 at a time. You do have to ask the question as to who and what the tankers are providing fuel for?
Sometimes these tankers come from Mildenhall so a 4 hour flight to be near a war zone is not a training exercise, all this is on flightradar 24.
NATO airpolicing. The fighters won’t appear to keep an element of stealth but they will be flying near enough 24hrs a day - as Chaos says it’s a multi national force from multiple airfields. If you go on the MOD/RAF Twitter accounts you’ll see Typhoons and F35s are operating from Lithuania, Estonia and Romania. The Germans I believe are covering Latvia with their Typhoons and the Americans are everywhere with everything from A10s and F16s to B52s (flying daily from Fairford). This is all part of the NATO rapid reaction force which was stood up for the first time two weeks ago. |
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You can’t compare what Russia has historically done in Georgia and Syria and are doing right now in Ukraine with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.
The problem with Iraq was there was no proper plan in place with what to replace Saddam with and that caused a war between the installed coalition government and insurgencies. Bush & Blair destabilised Iraq and that led to a civil war.
If Bush and/or Blair had committed war crimes then why have neither of them been charged and tried by the ICC?
Russia has invaded a neighbour without any legitimate justification and is deliberately targeting civilians. That can be defined as a war crime under the Geneva Convention. And based on the Russian playbook of falsely accusing their enemy of doing what they themselves have done/are doing/will do, the Russians are about to use chemical weapons in Ukraine.
An American senator admitted yesterday that there are joint US Ukraine bio lab facilities in the Ukraine that they do not want Putin to get control of. Do you think if there were similar facilities in Mexico and Mexico was a perceived enemy state they would be happy about it? I don't think this is mentioned on the BBC none of this justifies in any way Russian atrocities. |
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There have been air fuel tankers circling the sky's around Brasov in Romania, sometimes 2 at a time. You do have to ask the question as to who and what the tankers are providing fuel for?
Sometimes these tankers come from Mildenhall so a 4 hour flight to be near a war zone is not a training exercise, all this is on flightradar 24.
NATO surveillance planes have been operating on a widescale basis. It's pretty common knowledge that the U.S. / NATO are feeding the Ukrainians their intelligence wholesale. The Russians, meanwhile, are trying to communicate via shiite $25 Chinese walkie talkies, which are constantly being disrupted by radio hams. No wonder it's not going to plan. As an aside because of their shocking communications Russian officers are having to be far nearer the action than they'd like. Today they lost their 3rd major general , out of a total of c. 20, in just 10 days PS going back to my post this morning - VERY interesting tweet just came in https://twitter.com/MaximAlyukov/status/1502337993012658177 Don't also forget that FSB is currently being purged - both the chief of the Ukrainian division and his deputy are apparently under house arrest, whilst 8 generals have been replaced |
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Good question mate. Not sure of the answer. I guess it’s most likely to be for NATO jets stationed in those nearby countries - US have F15’s and F35’s in the region I think and Romania, Poland, Hungary and Estonia have their own jets, presumably flying CAPs over their countries and Ukrainian borders.
There would not be a need for tankers to refuel them as they could land, refuel and take off in friendly NATO countries. |
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There would not be a need for tankers to refuel them as they could land, refuel and take off in friendly NATO countries.
Which would take time and mean a drop in airspace coverage. It’s not pulling in to Tesco and then coming back on at a roundabout or traffic lights - they’d have to wait for air traffic clearance to come back up. If there is AtoA refuelling going on in a corridor that is the only thing allowed to fly there. |
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