Covid Passports/Certification

This seems as good a place to post this as anywhere: this week I lost a colleague to Covid - the first person I have known even to go to hospital with the virus. I work at a fairly large site and wasn’t very well acquainted with the man in question but I had done a course with him before. He was no older than his early 40s and had a young family with kids of primary school age. I’m told that his wife had recently recovered from cancer. He was in an induced coma and on dialysis in his last month of his life.

This man was a serving member of HM Forces - not an unfit or overweight person, not elderly and highly unlikely to have underlying health conditions. I have absolutely no idea of his vaccine status and no agenda with regards this. My point is this virus hits differently to anything we’ve had in decades - anybody who is a positive case has my best wishes for a full recovery.

The new variant has hit the UK. Didn't take long.

It's in Nottingham, so it won't be long before it's on the East coast as day trippers from there tend to visit Mabo, Skeggy and here.

Press conference at 5 o'clock.

Quoted from codcheeky

We have had pretty much the same here in Greece for over a week now, you cannot go into any shop, bar, restaurant or cafe or indoor event without proof of double vaccination, the only exceptions being the supermarket and chemist were face masks are compulsory.
The fine for any shop found to have broken this rule is 5,000 euros for a first offence, there is pretty much 100% compliance, many Brits are not allowed in places because the scanners do not recognise the NHS app and owners would rather turn them away than take a risk.
Around 40 deaths a day here was too many and people demanded drastic action, there is certainly a cultural difference when it comes to looking after old people here, we have over 200 die in a day in the U.K. and it struggles to make the news, the U.K. for the most part has become immune to the shock of so many dying, tired of or lazy about wearing masks and social distancing . If these measures are a success I expect they will become a template for much of Europe

Obviously had no or little effect at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/exp.....lse&country=~GRC

Quoted from Humbercod

Did you actually read your fact check???
Confirms medical authorities are encouraging Ivermectin! And again get your own facts correct I never mentioned the vaccines there had stopped!

"At the time of writing, the question is still a subject of research. The World Health Organisation and the European Medicines Agency have said that ivermectin should not be used to prevent or treat Covid-19 except in the context of a clinical trial.

Ivermectin does not appear on a list of approved treatments for Covid-19 from Japan’s Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency (PMDA).

A spokesperson for PMDA told the fact checking organisation AFP: “Clinical trial of Ivermectin is reportedly on-going. However, Ivermectin is not approved for use to treat disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19).”

The chair of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki, has spoken in favour of using ivermectin to treat Covid-19. However, the association cannot introduce new treatments and only has the power to lobby the Japanese government for changes."

One doctor has spoken in favour of using it, it is not a licensed treatment as of yet and is not the reason that Japan has low deaths or cases as you've been claiming. I don't know enough about the drug to have any strong opinion on it's use or not but you really do jump to conclusions from limited evidence.

Quoted from ginnywings

The new variant has hit the UK. Didn't take long.

It's in Nottingham, so it won't be long before it's on the East coast as day trippers from there tend to visit Mabo, Skeggy and here.

Press conference at 5 o'clock.

Comedy, start wearing masks again in shops & on transport.
PCR tests on arrival, you could  produce a negative test then a couple of days later test positive.

How long till masks in BP? The attendance will half

Bet you it doesn’t.

You'd have to be a complete flipping idiot to refuse to go to a game because you were required to wear a mask.

The cat is certainly out of the bag as regards this Omicron variant already. Earliest detection in SA is from 11th November, the available data seems to show it massively out-completing Delta in South Africa since and it's only a week since we played SA at Twickenham with a full house and thousands across from SA. Given the apparent vaccine/prior infection escape (it's a descendant of Beta, not Delta) it is likely that perhaps dozens of spectators had this variant last week and, you'd assume, passed it on to a lot of other folk, even if they were vaccinated.

We'll know soon enough because it has the same dropout feature in one of the genes that Alpha had and Delta doesn't. Delta has been so dominant that Alpha is all but gone so they can do the quick test on samples to see how many are likely to be Omicron.

That's about the only good news. A couple of the antibody treatments they give to the sickest people probably won't work any longer. A couple of the mutations it has have been modelled with an indication that it might make it even more infectious than Delta (it already has the Delta mutations). Just have to hope that prior infection and the vaccines give decent protection against serious illness through the T-cell response and also that the boosters will continue to help.

Of course, it would be even nicer if it had mutated itself away from being so potentially dangerous to those infected, but only time will tell on that.

Could be another excrement Christmas ahead.

Nobody will wear a mask at a match should they introduce it…most will use a scarf and pretend…after all, we were told that would suffice from the government.

More nonsense. A convenient new strain arrives for the winter, just as the government are trying to force folk in to having a booster…for a vaccine they’ve just said probably offers little protection…

So which minister has a load of masks they need to shift?

Pretty much what Aldi said. If today’s match went ahead most people’s faces would have been covered with scarves or high-zipped coats anyway. No change to a normal November match. I have no issue with masks personally and have continued to wear one where I have felt it necessary.

Not doing the circuit breaker last September? caused and excessive spread late last year causing the November lockdown and inaction over Alpha caused the January-April lockdown. These long periods of lockdown will mean that no-one will pay any notice of any measures - even light ones - in the months ahead.

Telling people to get boosters one minute and then saying the Omicron variant is *possibly* going to evade them won’t help uptake.

There is no sense in vaccinated contacts of OV positives having to isolate for ten days. If they test positive yes, obviously but a clear test and a pack of LFTs for daily tests should be sufficient. Are they saying that they’d got it wrong previously? Or are they just making it up as they go along? We have a world beating test system if you hadn’t heard…