Covid Passports/Certification

Absolutely disgraceful by Austria of all countries.

https://www.reuters.com/busine.....lockdown-2021-11-14/

Quoted from Stadium

Absolutely disgraceful by Austria of all countries.

https://www.reuters.com/busine.....lockdown-2021-11-14/

How anybody can support this is beyond me! I heard the conspiracy a year ago about being stopped in the streets in the future to show your papers but I didn’t actually believe it would come to this. Don’t for one minute think this evil will be isolated to Austria.
In other news hardline Covid mandate enforcer the first minister of Wales -



These illegitimates are laughing at us🤬

Quoted from Stadium

Absolutely disgraceful by Austria of all countries.

https://www.reuters.com/busine.....lockdown-2021-11-14/

*Shrugs*  As I mentioned in the other thread, the Germanic countries have a relatively large proportion of older people unvaccinated due to the strong anti-vaxx movements over there. The Austrian government obviously thinks that putting these people into lockdown will protect them from risk of infection and therefore, the health service from being overwhelmed. Also fully vaccinated people are still less likely to pass on the virus, even though it's not a guarantee, so that's a public health issue as well. Probably won't work (because anti-vaxxers will be anti-vaxxers regardless and will probably break the rules) but perfectly sensible logic.

It's just another approach similar to the vaccine mandates of certain countries, such as France.

Quoted from Humbercod

How anybody can support this is beyond me! I heard the conspiracy a year ago about being stopped in the streets in the future to show your papers but I didn’t actually believe it would come to this. Don’t for one minute think this evil will be isolated to Austria.
In other news hardline Covid mandate enforcer the first minister of Wales -

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These illegitimates are laughing at us🤬

We have had pretty much the same here in Greece for over a week now, you cannot go into any shop, bar, restaurant or cafe or indoor event without proof of double vaccination, the only exceptions being the supermarket and chemist were face masks are compulsory.
The fine for any shop found to have broken this rule is 5,000 euros for a first offence, there is pretty much 100% compliance, many Brits are not allowed in places because the scanners do not recognise the NHS app and owners would rather turn them away than take a risk.
Around 40 deaths a day here was too many and people demanded drastic action, there is certainly a cultural difference when it comes to looking after old people here, we have over 200 die in a day in the U.K. and it struggles to make the news, the U.K. for the most part has become immune to the shock of so many dying, tired of or lazy about wearing masks and social distancing . If these measures are a success I expect they will become a template for much of Europe

Quoted from codcheeky

We have had pretty much the same here in Greece for over a week now, you cannot go into any shop, bar, restaurant or cafe or indoor event without proof of double vaccination, the only exceptions being the supermarket and chemist were face masks are compulsory.
The fine for any shop found to have broken this rule is 5,000 euros for a first offence, there is pretty much 100% compliance, many Brits are not allowed in places because the scanners do not recognise the NHS app and owners would rather turn them away than take a risk.
Around 40 deaths a day here was too many and people demanded drastic action, there is certainly a cultural difference when it comes to looking after old people here, we have over 200 die in a day in the U.K. and it struggles to make the news, the U.K. for the most part has become immune to the shock of so many dying, tired of or lazy about wearing masks and social distancing . If these measures are a success I expect they will become a template for much of Europe

Not quite true, in Greece you can still provide evidence of a negative test.
In Austria COVID tests (both PCR and antigen) are no longer valid as "entry tests".

"Drastic" action doesn't seem to have had much effect.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/n.....ins-high-with-6-950/

Quoted from Stadium

Not quite true, in Greece you can still provide evidence of a negative test.
In Austria COVID tests (both PCR and antigen) are no longer valid as "entry tests".

"Drastic" action doesn't seem to have had much effect.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/n.....ins-high-with-6-950/

While this is technically true, in practice it is very difficult, and not practical, they will not let you in , a negative test from yesterday does not prove you are negative today, self testing is not really a thing either as tests are not free and are expected be carried out by a medical professional.
  It is drastic action, whether it works or not remains to be seen. A week is a a very short time to judge any results. There is a time lag between any action and the results of that action
You would think two years into a global epidemic, loads of different approaches and lots of data there would be a much clearer view of the best way forward.  However it seems there is still no blueprint for the best way of dealing with the virus.

Well, we're sort of back on the route towards a "Covid Pass" if recent reports are to be believed:

https://www.theguardian.com/wo.....to-obtain-covid-pass

Seems pretty pointless if passes such as this couldn't be implemented until the Spring, which they couldn't because of the dosing schedules which are in place. Also, it would theoretically be after the winter peak(s?) and you'd hope infection rates would be falling by then as the weather presumably improves. Very strange timing. I wonder what they are up to?

Quoted from Maringer

Well, we're sort of back on the route towards a "Covid Pass" if recent reports are to be believed:

https://www.theguardian.com/wo.....to-obtain-covid-pass

Seems pretty pointless if passes such as this couldn't be implemented until the Spring, which they couldn't because of the dosing schedules which are in place. Also, it would theoretically be after the winter peak(s?) and you'd hope infection rates would be falling by then as the weather presumably improves. Very strange timing. I wonder what they are up to?

The penny drops!

Quoted from Maringer

Well, we're sort of back on the route towards a "Covid Pass" if recent reports are to be believed:

https://www.theguardian.com/wo.....to-obtain-covid-pass

Seems pretty pointless if passes such as this couldn't be implemented until the Spring, which they couldn't because of the dosing schedules which are in place. Also, it would theoretically be after the winter peak(s?) and you'd hope infection rates would be falling by then as the weather presumably improves. Very strange timing. I wonder what they are up to?

Pointless as per Scotland & Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59288384

Quoted from codcheeky

While this is technically true, in practice it is very difficult, and not practical, they will not let you in , a negative test from yesterday does not prove you are negative today, self testing is not really a thing either as tests are not free and are expected be carried out by a medical professional.
  It is drastic action, whether it works or not remains to be seen. A week is a a very short time to judge any results. There is a time lag between any action and the results of that action
You would think two years into a global epidemic, loads of different approaches and lots of data there would be a much clearer view of the best way forward.  However it seems there is still no blueprint for the best way of dealing with the virus.

The point was that people could still access services without been forced to take a vaccination.
Which is correct in Greece bar the obstacles which you state.
The restrictions were in place back in August .

https://apnews.com/article/eur.....db7aa36fd73a2cbbb50c