Coronavirus

Quoted from Ipswin

Two angles on this I can't get my head around

I understand (the theory at least of) building up a 'herd' of 60% who have had the virus, recovered and are now immune allowing the 40% (supposedly elderly and infirm who are isolating for longer) to have less chance of contracting it, getting a hospital bed if they do and a bigger supply of coffins if required BUT

How is the 60% immune 'herd' going to be achieved if people strictly follow instructions to isolate and stay away 2m from others and therefore avoid spreading the thing?

I have to be at my doctors in 30 minutes for a blood test. I can't go in, I have to ring them on my mobile to say I'm outside and they will come for me. Fortunately I will be sitting in my car waiting to be admitted to the surgery. The old lady standing, with difficulty, outside for 15 minutes having arrived by public transport with no mobile to announce her arrival is really drunk off (thank intercourse it's a fine day)

Crazy frightening times. Captain Mainwaring would have had us under martial law by now instead of pussyfooting about. Sorry but if you don't laugh you'll cry.

'Put that light out!'

Quoted from Ipswin

Two angles on this I can't get my head around

I understand (the theory at least of) building up a 'herd' of 60% who have had the virus, recovered and are now immune allowing the 40% (supposedly elderly and infirm who are isolating for longer) to have less chance of contracting it, getting a hospital bed if they do and a bigger supply of coffins if required BUT

How is the 60% immune 'herd' going to be achieved if people strictly follow instructions to isolate and stay away 2m from others and therefore avoid spreading the thing?

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I think it's more like 85-90%need to have had the infection for herd immunity to properly kick in.under this figure and cases start to reappear ( as we are having now with measles).and of course they are assuming that the normal herd immunity will kick in, which isn't guaranteed as it's a new virus.
Your query is about ' squashing the sombrero'  you could achieve it very quickly by allowing as many people as possible to get it as quickly as possible.the downside is that the health service would be overwhelmed, many more would die and the country would grind to a halt. Their approach is for herd immunity to be attained slowly and manageably , so that the NHS can cope  and in the hope that warmer weather kills it/ better treatments are found/ a vaccine is discovered

I think I will be self isolating from here for a while. Obviously what is happening is an emotional time for us all.  I can see me falling out with people I don't even know, which is pretty ridiculous.  Even when this is over the debate will rage on.
Statistics will be distorted or twisted to prove whichever argument someone wishes to portray.  The sad thing to me, is that it has proven that as a society we are more selfish than our forefathers were even close to.  I wouldn't wish the choices that BJ and Co have to make on anyone. The effects of this thing will be evident for a whole generation.  The financial side will be massive.  And whilst the immediate reaction is to save lives whatever it costs, if the quality of life after this is so poor due to the finances laid out, the deaths from suicide and the mental health issues will far outweigh the victims we see at the moment. I believe we will be in lockdown within 24 - 48 hours.  Unfortunately it will be required as people can not be trusted to behave in the right manner.  
I wish you all the best of health and look forward to resuming the debates (and hopefully footy matters as well) when the time is right.
Take care and KEEP A SOCIAL DISTANCE.


Civvy

Quoted from Civvy at last

I think I will be self isolating from here for a while. Obviously what is happening is an emotional time for us all.  I can see me falling out with people I don't even know, which is pretty ridiculous.  Even when this is over the debate will rage on.
Statistics will be distorted or twisted to prove whichever argument someone wishes to portray.  The sad thing to me, is that it has proven that as a society we are more selfish than our forefathers were even close to.  I wouldn't wish the choices that BJ and Co have to make on anyone. The effects of this thing will be evident for a whole generation.  The financial side will be massive.  And whilst the immediate reaction is to save lives whatever it costs, if the quality of life after this is so poor due to the finances laid out, the deaths from suicide and the mental health issues will far outweigh the victims we see at the moment. I believe we will be in lockdown within 24 - 48 hours.  Unfortunately it will be required as people can not be trusted to behave in the right manner.  
I wish you all the best of health and look forward to resuming the debates (and hopefully footy matters as well) when the time is right.
Take care and KEEP A SOCIAL DISTANCE.


Civvy

Keep posting Civvy we need your humour just keep away from the politics posts.

Quoted from Civvy at last

I think I will be self isolating from here for a while. Obviously what is happening is an emotional time for us all.  I can see me falling out with people I don't even know, which is pretty ridiculous.  Even when this is over the debate will rage on.
Statistics will be distorted or twisted to prove whichever argument someone wishes to portray.  The sad thing to me, is that it has proven that as a society we are more selfish than our forefathers were even close to.  I wouldn't wish the choices that BJ and Co have to make on anyone. The effects of this thing will be evident for a whole generation.  The financial side will be massive.  And whilst the immediate reaction is to save lives whatever it costs, if the quality of life after this is so poor due to the finances laid out, the deaths from suicide and the mental health issues will far outweigh the victims we see at the moment. I believe we will be in lockdown within 24 - 48 hours.  Unfortunately it will be required as people can not be trusted to behave in the right manner.  
I wish you all the best of health and look forward to resuming the debates (and hopefully footy matters as well) when the time is right.
Take care and KEEP A SOCIAL DISTANCE.

Civvy

Sensible call. As one who threw a strop at Skaface and took a break from posting, I can see that I have to put my frustrations about this debate aside and help retain some normality and balance to life.
SO.... my apologies to Skaface for my OTT comments.
The clear and present dangers are not other Fishy posters but panic on one side and complacency on another. We are all having to make huge adjustments and hard decisions every day. We cancelled travelling over to see my 95 year old mum in law on Mothers Day and have been isolated from all kids and grandkids for days. We did venture into a remote corner of the Peak District yesterday (two miles) and walked in the sunshine well away from any crowd. I accept that even that may have to stop and gardening will be the outdoors for a long time. Meanwhile, I can recommend this Youtube channel for those who a vicarious  substitute for hiking. Best watched from Day 1.



Best of luck to Skaface and Civvy.

If some people do not like our press conferences, they should listen to Trump.  He talks about the Chinese virus and winning and success.  You would think he was at the Olympics.

We need tougher stay at home measures.  In Europe today evidence (from the high number of fines)  that people are still not listening and going out.  Madness.

Quoted from golfer

Funny how the majority of people who don't agree with the government are non Brexit Labour or Lib. Dems luvee duvees

Yes, and there are good reasons why we are left of centre, and Remainers.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes, and there are good reasons why we are left of centre, and Remainers.

There is one thing KM whether we stayed in or left the EU,

When this is all over we are all going to be in the excrement,

The other thing is the rest of the world are going to be in the excrement with us.

Quoted from grimsby pete

There is one thing KM whether we stayed in or left the EU,

When this is all over we are all going to be in the excrement,

The other thing is the rest of the world are going to be in the excrement with us.

The ironic thing is that China, the country where this pandemic originated, will be the first to come out of it. They will be the first to get their wheels of industry turning and the first to fill the void left whilst the West are still struggling and in virtual lockdown.

I see Harvey Weinstein has got the virus. That's karma in action!