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Civvy at last
March 23, 2020, 9:16am

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That’s only on here, and may be those people are little more believing of research an evidence, unlike Boris and chums.

I know several Tory voters who think he’s making an right hash of it all and it’s difficult not to agree with them.

The government have been extremely non committal in all of this, information sent through from central government to organisations has been clumsily put together and doesn’t really offer much and still they continue to bumble their way through.

I can’t be arsed to go through failed Tory policy after failed Tory policy because it’s not worth it. Simple fact is, the confusion approach from government, the almost pig ignorant attitude to research and other approaches seen in other countries and dare I say cynicism from large parts of the population are meaning folk are still panic buying, people are continuing their normal life and plenty aren’t taking it serious.

The government have the power to impose full lockdown, as has been demonstrated in other countries, before their situations became as bad as ours or so it seems. Have some balderdash and do it.

I saw a an argument to say the public are stupid because there are sanctions for letting off smoke bombs (hardly murder but ok) yet people still do, suppose it proves that sentences and sanctions aren’t a measure of control in some instances...our mates across the pond have some of the most severe sentences in the world yet have murder rates through the roof.

To me it just seems that the bumbling press conferences where he says very little. The confusing approach and attitude and the real lack of decision making has led large amounts of the public to see this as some elongated bank holiday. Just impose the lockdown like the french and Italians and surprise surprise it’ll work.

Or may be it’s just designed to expose large swathes of the population for what they are; self interested, inward facing, unhygienic odd balls...


It’s clear that you despise the Tories and are using this to score points. Which I think is bad form. But when you are saying how bad they  are (a lot of it justifiable by the way), it just shows how absolutely sh1te  Corbyn and Co are. They got absolutely hammered by this lot in the elections.
So if (and it’s a pretty big if) Labour can sort out their own appalling mess that leads them, then they can have a pop.


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Trouble is, if you spend 4 years convincing people that we don’t need experts anymore, then you’re f**ked when you want people to listen to them and heed their advice.

He’s wanted to be Churchill his whole life. And on that note he couldn’t be further away from the mark. His bumbling conferences are shambolic. Thankfully he’s smart enough to know when he’s out of his depth and has surrounded himself with some very sharp people.
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March 23, 2020, 9:20am

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Trouble is, if you spend 4 years convincing people that we don’t need experts anymore, then you’re f**ked when you want people to listen to them and heed their advice.

He’s wanted to be Churchill his whole life. And on that note he couldn’t be further away from the mark. His bumbling conferences are shambolic. Thankfully he’s smart enough to know when he’s out of his depth and has surrounded himself with some very sharp people.


Yeah, I’m sure that Jezza is a leading authority on such matters wouldn’t need to consult anyone else and could solve this whole thing single handed in a week or so. 😉


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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March 23, 2020, 9:25am

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The worrying thing is that in spite of the severe lockdown imposed by the French, Italians and Spanish, it isn't making any difference. It's almost as if they're missing something and tackling the wrong problem.




I think it's a case of the horse had bolted and now they are playing catch up.news yesterday that there are some initial signs that Italy's numbers are slowing down. Think I'm right in saying that we've taken steps, such as closing down bars, far earlier in the process than they did.we've also been able to pre plan better as we've been able to learn from their experience, plus our Brexit emergency plans and stockpiles have also helped greatly.
Interesting fact is that we are getting far far less cases per million of population than the rest of the Europeans , so we do seem to be getting something right. Have a look at the worldometer site where we stick out like a sore thumb, for all the right reasons.
Apparently there are 2 things to look for .first is that apart from 1 day of 1000 new cases ,we have been holding steady at 600-700 new cases per day recentlt , which is the 'squashing of the sombrero 'and also to find a logarithmic graph of cases, which shows the severity of increase, and whatgave rise to the cautious bit of optimism in italy.someone in the FT produces it daily, but it's behind a pay wall so I can't provide a link
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We are only testing the most serious of cases admitted to hospital, so take any numbers with a massive pinch of salt. If we were testing in the community as well to have some sort of an idea what the actual number of infections are, it would be a different matter. People who have recovered from symptoms of the illness at home have no way of getting a test so we don't know the actual number of infections. We should be a bit ahead of Italy and Spain because the spread here was initially slower but the acceleration will begin soon. Anybody infected on the stupid Friday night urine up won't be showing symptoms until later this week and, if hospital treatment is required, won't be going in until next week. Same goes for the queuing outside of Asda on Saturday. I do hope that we won't have it too severe here as the initial spread into the area would have been limited (being the end of the line is a good thing sometimes), but I'm not holding my breath.
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Andy Burnham (mayor and labour mp)just been on , what a breath of fresh air. Not trying to score political points, saying how he has massive sympathy for the health secretary and the decisions that are having to be made and accepts mistakes will be made in this unprecedented time. Gone up in my estimation.
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It’s clear that you despise the Tories and are using this to score points. Which I think is bad form. But when you are saying how bad they  are (a lot of it justifiable by the way), it just shows how absolutely sh1te  Corbyn and Co are. They got absolutely hammered by this lot in the elections.
So if (and it’s a pretty big if) Labour can sort out their own appalling mess that leads them, then they can have a pop.


The years of under investment in the NHS, will begin to come  to light during the coming weeks. It makes my blood boil when he trots  out his latest slogan 'Protect the NHS'. It isn't point scoring, just pointing out the obvious. You can't have investment in public services and lower tax rates for the wealthy. Hopefully when we emerge through this people will put the NHS at the top of their thought process when they vote.


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March 23, 2020, 9:43am
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Yeah, I’m sure that Jezza is a leading authority on such matters wouldn’t need to consult anyone else and could solve this whole thing single handed in a week or so. 😉


Who mentioned Corbyn? Wasn’t me.
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Two angles on this I can't get my head around

I understand (the theory at least of) building up a 'herd' of 60% who have had the virus, recovered and are now immune allowing the 40% (supposedly elderly and infirm who are isolating for longer) to have less chance of contracting it, getting a hospital bed if they do and a bigger supply of coffins if required BUT

How is the 60% immune 'herd' going to be achieved if people strictly follow instructions to isolate and stay away 2m from others and therefore avoid spreading the thing?

I have to be at my doctors in 30 minutes for a blood test. I can't go in, I have to ring them on my mobile to say I'm outside and they will come for me. Fortunately I will be sitting in my car waiting to be admitted to the surgery. The old lady standing, with difficulty, outside for 15 minutes having arrived by public transport with no mobile to announce her arrival is really drunk off (thank intercourse it's a fine day)

Crazy frightening times. Captain Mainwaring would have had us under martial law by now instead of pussyfooting about. Sorry but if you don't laugh you'll cry.


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No matter what they do you will get the same people objecting to it - or saying he has done it too late.  No win situation.
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