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So they collate and verify the figures up to 1700 for the 1700 press conference? They always say as of “0900 this morning”. It must have been a misprint.
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I don't think it can be emphasised enough how PHE (Public Health England) have hampered the introduction of the testing. They have turned down offers of testing facilities from many Universities and more significantly privately run medical testing establishments. They have insisted that all testing is done at their centre at Milton Keynes. They have refused offers of the use of testing equipment from Universities. Several GP's sent in hundreds of swabs from suspected cases to PHE who subsequently "dumped" them because they doubted the integrity of the way they had been collected. They have applied too much red tape over the whole situation, which is something the Government should have overruled. Much has been made of how much testing has been done in Germany but they have have a different public health structure. They're also have considerably more private health testing facilities due to the fact that their private health sector is considerably larger than ours.
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Quite remarkable that all potential testing capacity hasn't been used during this (hopefully) once in a lifetime pandemic. Not quite sure what Hancock or his advisors have been doing up to this point but it was up to them to ensure that testing capacity was at its absolute maximum.
My guess is that they just didn't pay it enough attention after the 180 degree turnaround from 'herd immunity' to suppression. Heaven only knows how - it's not as though the WHO hasn't been telling everybody to test as much as possible. Another unforgivable failure of government.
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Yeah, but it’ll just be a few Stray beds
Most people won't get that - but I thought it was really funny |
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Quite remarkable that all potential testing capacity hasn't been used during this (hopefully) once in a lifetime pandemic. Not quite sure what Hancock or his advisors have been doing up to this point but it was up to them to ensure that testing capacity was at its absolute maximum.
My guess is that they just didn't pay it enough attention after the 180 degree turnaround from 'herd immunity' to suppression. Heaven only knows how - it's not as though the WHO hasn't been telling everybody to test as much as possible. Another unforgivable failure of government.
PHE have been in charge of the testing programme to date. Privately many ministers have complained that PHE has guarded its role too jealously, preventing a more widespread use of private testing labs until now. |
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How on earth do you know what minister’s have done or said privately? You are just making it up, if the Heads of OHE have failed Hancock should sack them and appoint new with more sense. The same goes for the bunch of clowns with the now obsolete herd immunity nonsense
You seemed more than happy continually condoning failure and bad practice, shifting the blame and whataboutery.
Let’s look at the facts,
A pandemic has been predicted for yers, we have not prepared despite exercises with a similar model
We have cut 30, hospital beds in the last ten years and fined hospital trusts who do not make enough cuts
We have stopped bursaries for training nurses and stopped pay rises for years leadiing to 40,000 vacancies.
We have driven out a large number of EU nationals with fears over their future after Brexit and making them pay a large health insurance levy
We have let waiting times quadruple over the last ten years,
We have watched what happened in China and done nothing
We have watched what happened in Italy and done nothing
We have adopted a policy of herd immunity that was going to completely overwhelm the NHS and devil take the hindmost
We are still struggling to do 10,000 tests a day
We are still struggling to provide the required PPE
This is a list of abject failure of the Government to protect its citizens.
On the plus side we have built a hospital in just over a week showing what can be done if we put our mind to it, it’s just a shame there hasn’t been similar resolve in the list above.
Also it turns out the Tories have decided there is such a thing as society after all now they require a load of volunteers, who would have thought?
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What is quite remarkable is that the man responsible has not got a grip, this is a national emergency, PHE answer to the Health Secretary, six weeks ago while the government was just watching and letting the virus spread, dismissing calls by the WHO to “test, test ,test” he should have demanded they listen to all companies that could have the least input, there is one UK firm that sourced 5,000 ventilators, these have gone elsewhere because the government (and I say the Government because that is where the buck stops) didn’t even relay to emails.
You seemed quite happy with the policy of herd immunity and letting the weak die, and many pointed out on here that the WHO do not have better experts than good old Blighty, now out of necessity we have fallen into line at the back of the queue for everything, as I am sure you will lap up the nonsense of 100,000 tests in just over FOUR weeks time. A case of kicking the can along a bit if ever there was
Less than 2000 NHS staff tested by the start of this week is an absolute embarrassment, still having shortages in PPE is worse it’s criminally negligent, if Hancock and Johnson cannot get a grip they need to move out and get someone in who can
How fortunate we are to have someone in our midst who knows every single answer to every question about this crisis and is not afraid to admit it and inform us several times a day. We will miss you but we wish you every success in your new career at Westminster. Your country needs you ...... go quickly and fix the mess as only you know how. |
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Most people won't get that - but I thought it was really funny
If you found that funny I think you need to get out more (cheeky, winky face)  |
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Just a small piece from me. Some of you will see that I am now doing local deliveries for a local food bank.
I've now got a local hub set up, which means the food for a certain period is delivered up to me at a local community asset. A local publican has given me a freezer for the duration, and we are stocking frozen soup (a soup kitchen in Dumfries 13 miles away is producing 3,000 plus portions weekly) frozen scotch pies (again, a local pie producer in Dumfries is giving away hundreds of pies to the food bank every week)
We are having to look at frozen foodstuffs because folk are stockpiling the usual items that they would hand over to food banks - rice pasta, tinned food etc. On top of the 2 pies and 2 soups, each applicant gets a pack of eggs, a small pack of biscuits, three bread rolls and some potatoes. It's enough to make you weep, but not enough to make you full.
You will notice there's no fresh fruit or vegetables, milk, butter (again, folk are stockpiling these things - see the photos this last week of all the discarded such food the hoarders couldn't possibly eat themselves) so it's a subsistence diet. If anyone is thinking of donating food to a local food bank, I expect all of them will be in the same position of needing fresh fruit and vegetables, pasta, rice and tinned food.
If you can help please do so, every little bit helps.
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So many different in-depth views on the tactics, performance and results of dealing with the coronavirus.
3 months ago we had never even heard of this virus.
It is encouraging that The Fishy has become so knowledgable so quickly. 😁😏
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