Coronavirus

Quoted from rancido

It's a pity the Chinese didn't take heed of one of their doctors who first raised questions about coronavirus in December. By the time they had started to admit they had a problem it had already spread to most of the world. It was almost certainly present in this country in very early January. It only needs one person to go undetected for 7 days before you have a potential huge problem. It's all well and good blaming our Government and many others for not being fully prepared but everybody seems to ignore where this pandemic started and why. There is certainly too much " taking the effect and making it the cause " on this site and around the world in general.

As this is a football forum, I will use the analogy that if the opponent wins a dubious corner, the referee has made a mistake. But from that point on it is Town’s players’ responsibility to defend the corner properly. If McKeown flaps at the cross and it hits Waterfall in the gonads and trickles into the net, it is our fault for not defending the corner properly.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

As this is a football forum, I will use the analogy that if the opponent wins a dubious corner, the referee has made a mistake. But from that point on it is Town’s players’ responsibility to defend the corner properly. If McKeown flaps at the cross and it hits Waterfall in the gonads and trickles into the net, it is our fault for not defending the corner properly.

But at the moment McKeown is being expected to keep net with no gloves

Quoted from golfer

1550 people died in New York in 24 hours. Surely we must be doing something right. ?

That’s the total , not the last 24 hrs

Quoted from rancido

It's a pity the Chinese didn't take heed of one of their doctors who first raised questions about coronavirus in December. By the time they had started to admit they had a problem it had already spread to most of the world. It was almost certainly present in this country in very early January. It only needs one person to go undetected for 7 days before you have a potential huge problem. It's all well and good blaming our Government and many others for not being fully prepared but everybody seems to ignore where this pandemic started and why. There is certainly too much " taking the effect and making it the cause " on this site and around the world in general.

It is a pity, however that doesn’t excuse the inaction and lack of preparedness once it started spreading.
We can do nothing about what the Chinese do only what is best for the UK.  The Germans are not wasting  with blame they got planning and are dealing with it,  The time for blame is later, blaming the Chinese because we don’t have enough ventilators or PPE is just stupid and will save not one life. The Government needs to step up and take responsibility

Quoted from codcheeky

It is a pity, however that doesn’t excuse the inaction and lack of preparedness once it started spreading.
We can do nothing about what the Chinese do only what is best for the UK.  The Germans are not wasting the me with blame they got planning and are dealing with it,  The time for blame is later, blaming the Chinese because we don’t have enough ventilators or PPE is just stupid and will save not one life. The Government needs to step up and take responsibility

The virus isn't spread on the wind, people not following basic hygiene and government issued guidance on hygiene and then later social distancing, not all blame lays with the government. The same happened in Germany, one day the schools closed the next day the shopping centers and high streets were full of parents with their kids shopping, the Germans have confirmed 71,690 cases, 3 times higher than UK. We saw something similar here with Cleethorpes packed not long after a social distancing request was issued by the Government.

In the main it's sections of the public who are not taking responsibility for their actions leading to the virus spreading. Had those people did as requested there wouldn't be the need for extra equipment and yes the government should have planned for a percentage to not follow those guidelines but not on the selfish unprecedented scale we have seen.

As you mentioned the Germans, they have confirmed 71,690 cases, the UK has 25,150, Germany still has 54,816 active cases, the UK has 23,226, of those active cases Germany has 2,675 in a critical condition (around 16 times that of UK), the UK has 163, Germany has 774 deaths, the UK has 1,789 deaths. What isn't in those figures is the age groups effected or those with underlining conditions. Based on current critical condition figures it is expected far more Germans will die so expect their death rate to either match or overtake the UK. France has over 3,500 deaths and they had the same time to prepare like the UK government did and are in a far worse position than the UK with 52,128 cases and 39,161 active cases and of those 5,565 in a critical condition.

Last updated: March 31, 2020, 20:59

Quoted from Marinerz93

The virus isn't spread on the wind, people not following basic hygiene and government issued guidance on hygiene and then later social distancing, not all blame lays with the government. The same happened in Germany, one day the schools closed the next day the shopping centers and high streets were full of parents with their kids shopping, the Germans have confirmed 71,690 cases, 3 times higher than UK. We saw something similar here with Cleethorpes packed not long after a social distancing request was issued by the Government.

In the main it's sections of the public who are not taking responsibility for their actions leading to the virus spreading. Had those people did as requested there wouldn't be the need for extra equipment and yes the government should have planned for a percentage to not follow those guidelines but not on the selfish unprecedented scale we have seen.

As you mentioned the Germans, they have confirmed 71,690 cases, the UK has 25,150, Germany still has 54,816 active cases, the UK has 23,226, of those active cases Germany has 2,675 in a critical condition (around 16 times that of UK), the UK has 163, Germany has 774 deaths, the UK has 1,789 deaths. What isn't in those figures is the age groups effected or those with underlining conditions. Based on current critical condition figures it is expected far more Germans will die so expect their death rate to either match or overtake the UK. France has over 3,500 deaths and they had the same time to prepare like the UK government did and are in a far worse position than the UK with 52,128 cases and 39,161 active cases and of those 5,565 in a critical condition.

Last updated: March 31, 2020, 20:59

Of those in critical it's reported around 50% are dying so maybe the figures will even up, however the earlier they are treated the better the chances of survival, we have to ask why social distancing wasn't recommended earlier(even if only for London) or why we didn't prepare better, and why Germany are doing more than 10X more tests.  The truth is we are behind the curve, pretending we are not on PPE, testing and ventilators is closing our eyes to reality, we did nothing but watch what was going on in China in January, then we watched what was going on in Italy in February, that the French did no better is not an excuse, it's whataboutery .
The UK figures only include deaths in Hospital, the testing figures are worse than woeful, all three of those telling us how to behave have caught the disease. How can we still have confidence?

That's an absolutely crazy misreading of the Germany situation from Mz93. First of all, they've got more ventilators than anybody else in Europe - around 5 times as many as the UK, for instance. Even if only 50% of those in ventilation can survive, they'll still be able to save a hell of a lot more lives than us.

They have many more confirmed cases because they have been testing much more than us (or almost anyone else). Currently about three times the testing capacity of the UK for a similarly-sized population.

We only have 163 critical cases? So why did almost 400 people die here in the last 24 hours reported? Weren't they critical enough to be counted? Ignore the trees, look for the wood.

The main point for Germany if you read the Worldometer site is that their number of daily new cases is on the fall, if the numbers are to be believed. This would indicate they are on track to keep oversll numbers a heck of a lot lower than us if they can continue to keep a lid on things.

Our curve, with numbers of new cases is still very much on the up and will be for some weeks yet and we don't have the medical resources available that the Germans do. I would be exceptionally happy we were in the position of the Germans right now, but we are most definitely not.

Quoted from codcheeky

Of those in critical it's reported around 50% are dying so maybe the figures will even up, however the earlier they are treated the better the chances of survival, we have to ask why social distancing wasn't recommended earlier(even if only for London) or why we didn't prepare better, and why Germany are doing more than 10X more tests.  The truth is we are behind the curve, pretending we are not on PPE, testing and ventilators is closing our eyes to reality, we did nothing but watch what was going on in China in January, then we watched what was going on in Italy in February, that the French did no better is not an excuse, it's whataboutery .
The UK figures only include deaths in Hospital, the testing figures are worse than woeful, all three of those telling us how to behave have caught the disease. How can we still have confidence?

As I mentioned in a previous post, if people followed the guidelines the extra equipment wouldn't be required, people in the main are at fault for spreading this virus to the levels we are seeing. The government could have gone into lock down as soon as the first case made it to the UK, they could have forced people to stay at home but then you would be complaining that was over the top. The government are guilty of giving some members of the public the credit of having some intelligence and that they would act in good faith on guidance given.

The government acts on advice, the question should be when did the government seek advice and why didn't the medical advisers use their position to raise any issues we could face as soon as they read the scientific papers.

As posted earlier the majority of deaths were caused by the L strain of the virus which had been reported in decline since the lockdown in Wuhan since January, most cases there after being the S strain which resulted in flu type symptoms and most recovering from it. Has the L strain made it to the UK and others parts of Europe?

As of today, in the US While the public deals with the spread of the corona virus disease 2019 (COVID-19) to New York State and major regions of the United States, flu season remains underway with the latest data being reported by the CDC.

So far this season, there have been 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths from flu, of which more than 100 are pediatric--a higher total at this point of the year than any season in the past decade.

There are questions being asked if the flu virus has mutated into something else, and considering the flu this season has caused 45 million flu illnesses, at least 300,000 hospitalizations, and up to 46,000 deaths in the US alone, I think it is a question that needs answering sooner rather than later. Now compare that to Corona world wide of 854,610 cases with 42,043 deaths world wide.

Quoted from Maringer

That's an absolutely crazy misreading of the Germany situation from Mz93. First of all, they've got more ventilators than anybody else in Europe - around 5 times as many as the UK, for instance. Even if only 50% of those in ventilation can survive, they'll still be able to save a hell of a lot more lives than us.

They have many more confirmed cases because they have been testing much more than us (or almost anyone else). Currently about three times the testing capacity of the UK for a similarly-sized population.

We only have 163 critical cases? So why did almost 400 people die here in the last 24 hours reported? Weren't they critical enough to be counted? Ignore the trees, look for the wood.

The main point for Germany if you read the Worldometer site is that their number of daily new cases is on the fall, if the numbers are to be believed. This would indicate they are on track to keep oversll numbers a heck of a lot lower than us if they can continue to keep a lid on things.

Our curve, with numbers of new cases is still very much on the up and will be for some weeks yet and we don't have the medical resources available that the Germans do. I would be exceptionally happy we were in the position of the Germans right now, but we are most definitely not.

We may be behind Germany on ventilators but we are manufacturing these in the UK, so will get what is needed. We would have had enough equipment if people followed basic hygiene and social distancing guidelines but hey blame the government as that suits your political agenda, not the dirty twits or idiots who have flouted social distancing guidelines. You mentioned we haven't left the EU fully yet so where is the Ventilators from your glorious EU.

We only have 163 critical cases? So why did almost 400 people die here in the last 24 hours reported? Weren't they critical enough to be counted? Ignore the trees, look for the wood.

As usual you don't read what's in front of you Last updated: March 31, 2020, 20:59 it's also on the worldometer site you mention.

Using the same site you mention, the UK figures are also in decline in the graphs too but as usual you only post selective data.

The current population of Germany is 83,717,082 as of Tuesday, March 31, 2020

United Kingdom 2020 population is estimated at 67,886,011

Population difference of 15,831,071 not similar at all.

Quoted from Teesknees

With this help for the self employed... it's 80% of profits, not 80% of income. Well what if you don't make a profit? I know someone who gets a tax rebate, so there's no profit there and it seems odd that someone who earns very little will benefit from this assistance?
Does anyone know?

Then they should re-evaluate their business viability.