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Surprised at the negative reaction so far on this thread.
I wasn't calling for his head but am absolutely not bothered that he's gone.
Did a good job to keep us up when he first came in, finding the 4-1-4-1 formula that did a job and stuck with it to get us over the line and finished the season well.
Last season spent all summer building to play 3-5-2 without having suitable wing-backs to make it work, then abandoned it before August was out. Winning and losing sequences throughout the year and a comfortable mid-table finish which, as boring as it might be, was an improvement on the relegation scrap the year before.
This season has been the disappointment for me. Expecting us to kick, we signed some good players in the summer. Even if the squad's still a little unbalanced, we have some players of really good pedigree and some good young players.
The tactics and team selections have absolutely baffled me at times. Going man-for-man at Chelsea was absolutely mental. Yeah we'd have probably lost anyway but going to a team of £40million players marking them all man-to-man all over the pitch, made it far easier for them than it could've been. Therein lies an issue. That could be a good approach tactically, but you've got to know when to use certain tactical systems, not just use something because it's worked before in a different scenario.
I might be wrong but I get the impression that we work on a different game-plan every week, depending on who we're playing against. Even if it's not just to counter the opposition strengths, its how to exploit their weaknesses. I don't disagree that you should look at how to exploit oppositions weaknesses, but in my eyes that would be little tweaks or focuses in a certain area adding to what we already do, not changing the plan every week to suit.
The use of players out of position is an ongoing problem. And I personally think Mattie Pollock should be playing regularly. I know MJ has given Max Wright and Pollock their debuts, and got Clifton in the team regularly, but I'd have had Wright and Pollock in the team more than they have been this season. So whilst people say he's given youth a chance, they've only had the odd chance and then been back out again.
Had he stayed, I think we'd have plodded along as a lower midtable/safe bottom half type of team. But i think we could and should be doing better than that.
When he came in, I have to admit i thought he'd be a modern-minded coach and try get us playing football on the ground in an expansive style of possession football. Instead, he's seemed more "old-school" than anything else, maybe influenced heavily by Sean Dyche at Burnley.
I'll be interested to see if Limbrick, who is well-liked around the Club, will look to change much. His Woking side apparently played really good football before he lost his best players and they began to struggle.
Hardly a disaster. Chance to move us forward.
Come on Tommy, you should know better than to talk common sense on here! You are spot on, it is no great loss and if it needed doing at least we are not waiting until the last 6 games for a Messiah again. I wonder if his rolling 6 months was up for renewal? I don’t know about Limbrick. What you say is true for some but he was not universally respected at Woking and the loss of players was not felt to be the only reason for their slide. However ......
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November 15, 2019, 12:47pm |
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The club should be ashamed of itself this afternoon.
1) A serious lack of judgment for the club and stadium to be involved in the Brexit Party event last night. The club is for the entire community and should not be seen hosting political events. And before anyone says it, I would say the same if it was labour, tories, greens or whatever.
2) Sacking Jolley - well it can't be results - after so many weeks without a game, and ok a poor run recently, but signs of improvement on where we have been overall. Can only assume it is the usual "behind the scenes" and another example of board and Fenty not being progressive and falling out with a young manager who has tried to do the best for the club and improve things.
This is the final straw. If Fenty won't sell, then at least acknowledge that we should have a professional management team running the operations side of this business instead of the old boys' club.
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Civvy at last |
November 15, 2019, 12:49pm |
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Absofuckinglutely correct although I doubt somehow that he's been sacked (I think Fenty had too much tied up in him with everyone on here saying what a great forward thinking appointment it was and how well Fenty had done to go for Jolley - pushed in no small degree by all the support for the idea on the Fishy - intercourse knows why) I suggest he's just walked.
Could well be the case Swin. People always assume 'mutual consent' means 'the boot'. But perhaps in this case 'mutual consent' means exactly that.
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Probably the best time to get rid of a manager. Hopefully whoever comes in ,it will be before Christmas and that will give him time to assess the squad and a transfer window in January to make any additions. With still two thirds of the season left there is plenty of time for a new manager to turn things around. As far as MJ was concerned, I felt he could have been the right man to take us forward. Sadly he did seem to approach every game like it was some Football Manager type computer game but the players we have (and most at this level ) are not adaptable enough ,which is why they are at this level. Seeing as AL is the interim manager then maybe we will see if he has a different approach. At least it gives him a chance to make a claim before any final decisions are taken.
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November 15, 2019, 12:50pm |
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This is crazy, don't agree with this at all. Jolley should have been given support to turn things round, changing managers all the time very rarely works.
And which enlightened appointment will we end up with this time? After all, Fenty and Co don't have a great track record when it comes to picking managers.
I fear the worst for the remainder of the season.
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November 15, 2019, 12:51pm |
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Maybe Shutes is bringing in his own manager
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November 15, 2019, 12:52pm |
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Think a few around the club will be pleased he’s gone. Not universally popular by any means.
Forever thankful for keeping us up after the slade crisis but it’s been rubbish for a while. Doubt he will get another job in the league.
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November 15, 2019, 12:54pm |
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Tisdale Sad but overall probably the right decision if we make a quick good appointment (if we have not already had conversations)?? Think it hinges on boards belief as to whether we could win the replay or not as that tie is now worth a lot of money to us If u have been going these last 3 months u can see he hasn’t been getting the best out of the players We have looked poor Come on Town!!
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Surprised at the negative reaction so far on this thread.
I wasn't calling for his head but am absolutely not bothered that he's gone.
Did a good job to keep us up when he first came in, finding the 4-1-4-1 formula that did a job and stuck with it to get us over the line and finished the season well.
Last season spent all summer building to play 3-5-2 without having suitable wing-backs to make it work, then abandoned it before August was out. Winning and losing sequences throughout the year and a comfortable mid-table finish which, as boring as it might be, was an improvement on the relegation scrap the year before.
This season has been the disappointment for me. Expecting us to kick, we signed some good players in the summer. Even if the squad's still a little unbalanced, we have some players of really good pedigree and some good young players.
The tactics and team selections have absolutely baffled me at times. Going man-for-man at Chelsea was absolutely mental. Yeah we'd have probably lost anyway but going to a team of £40million players marking them all man-to-man all over the pitch, made it far easier for them than it could've been. Therein lies an issue. That could be a good approach tactically, but you've got to know when to use certain tactical systems, not just use something because it's worked before in a different scenario.
I might be wrong but I get the impression that we work on a different game-plan every week, depending on who we're playing against. Even if it's not just to counter the opposition strengths, its how to exploit their weaknesses. I don't disagree that you should look at how to exploit oppositions weaknesses, but in my eyes that would be little tweaks or focuses in a certain area adding to what we already do, not changing the plan every week to suit.
The use of players out of position is an ongoing problem. And I personally think Mattie Pollock should be playing regularly. I know MJ has given Max Wright and Pollock their debuts, and got Clifton in the team regularly, but I'd have had Wright and Pollock in the team more than they have been this season. So whilst people say he's given youth a chance, they've only had the odd chance and then been back out again.
Had he stayed, I think we'd have plodded along as a lower midtable/safe bottom half type of team. But i think we could and should be doing better than that.
When he came in, I have to admit i thought he'd be a modern-minded coach and try get us playing football on the ground in an expansive style of possession football. Instead, he's seemed more "old-school" than anything else, maybe influenced heavily by Sean Dyche at Burnley.
I'll be interested to see if Limbrick, who is well-liked around the Club, will look to change much. His Woking side apparently played really good football before he lost his best players and they began to struggle.
Hardly a disaster. Chance to move us forward.
Superb summary Tommy. Nails it. We weren't moving forward under Jolley. I liked the bloke but he didn't have a clue and it became more evident in recent weeks. The sad thing is that he got it off the field, but he was employed as the manager - not the PR guy. The interesting bit is about his player budget rant. I've heard a few people say that the budget is still pitiful and whilst the likes of Green and Hanson haven't come cheap, it's been offset in other areas - hence so many of the youth team getting contracts over the summer. The gate on Saturday would have been the final nail in the coffin. Fenty comes on here (Hi, John!) and I'm sure he or his staff are looking on Twitter etc. after games. The response was quite clear cut, it was dire and people have had enough. Keen to see how Limbrick gets on. Despite the imbalance, there's still a half decent squad available to whoever takes over. Definitely enough to rekindle the early season form. Few January additions and who knows.
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November 15, 2019, 12:57pm |
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Well I must say I am a bit shocked by that decision
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