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Thanks for the offer, in fairness Dave Roberts has already responded to an email I sent detailing some next steps. Have not read it properly yet as have had ppl hovering over my screen all afternoon but really appreciate people taking the time to respond.
I get some of what is said regarding a seat at the table in the GTFC board room, but I think if we are set on regime change, which I feel needs to happen, then why be there? Is the discounted season ticket a price worth paying? Certainly isn't worth £35,000. And that also is what I meant by likening the Trust to a membership of a Premier League club rather than investing to secure the future of our club.
Still hopefully I am just expecting too much too soon and certainly hope you are right with answers and new active members.
Despite it being said many times I dont think people understand that the £30000 for the seat on the boatd is a cosmetic exercise. The bar takings from the clubs bar go to the club. If theTrust stop running the bars the club still get the takings. This is NOT an issue and never has been. People get angry as if the Trust fund raise and then hand £30k of this, and membership money, to the vlub in exchange for the seat on the board |
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Despite it being said many times I dont think people understand that the £30000 for the seat on the boatd is a cosmetic exercise. The bar takings from the clubs bar go to the club. If theTrust stop running the bars the club still get the takings.
This is NOT an issue and never has been. People get angry as if the Trust fund raise and then hand £30k of this, and membership money, to the vlub in exchange for the seat on the board
So no money that could go to the Trust goes to the club instead as a result of all this and a seat on the board? |
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Despite it being said many times I dont think people understand that the £30000 for the seat on the boatd is a cosmetic exercise. The bar takings from the clubs bar go to the club. If theTrust stop running the bars the club still get the takings.
This is NOT an issue and never has been. People get angry as if the Trust fund raise and then hand £30k of this, and membership money, to the vlub in exchange for the seat on the board
I didn’t realise that. Has it been mentioned on here before? Perhaps Barra could explain 😉😄😄 |
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Despite it being said many times I dont think people understand that the £30000 for the seat on the boatd is a cosmetic exercise. The bar takings from the clubs bar go to the club. If theTrust stop running the bars the club still get the takings.
This is NOT an issue and never has been. People get angry as if the Trust fund raise and then hand £30k of this, and membership money, to the vlub in exchange for the seat on the board
The club only still get the takings by running the bars themselves. In addition, the Trust has to take all of the responsibility for staffing and stocking them and, on top of that, loses out on sales after incidents like Port Vale have a detrimental effect on when they can open. |
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The club only still get the takings by running the bars themselves. In addition, the Trust has to take all of the responsibility for staffing and stocking them and, on top of that, loses out on sales after incidents like Port Vale have a detrimental effect on when they can open.
The point is that the arrangement of the Trust running the bars is a cosmetic exercise. The bars are run by Sharon, a former club employee who I am sure would continue to run to them if the Trust ceased to. She would just revert to a club employee. The Trust doesn't have a great deal of involvement, it is really just Sharon ( and a fine job she does too) |
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The point is that the arrangement of the Trust running the bars is a cosmetic exercise. The bars are run by Sharon, a former club employee who I am sure would continue to run to them if the Trust ceased to. She would just revert to a club employee.
The Trust doesn't have a great deal of involvement, it is really just Sharon ( and a fine job she does too)
Well I think the point is the Club wanting to claim to be a community club demands a chunk of money from a supposedly community organisation have a seat at its table. At a time where I think I am right in saying the Trust are struggling to manage everything that needs to be done and are losing money (I think I recall that being in the last Trust statements) . It was seen as important enough for the big survey to include it as a key question. |
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As far as I see it, the Trust has 3 options. Either they run around doing stuff for the club, pay for their seat on the board and gently nod or they listen to the concerns & opinions of the fans and be proactive in trying to make a difference or they sit on the fence.
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Well I think the point is the Club wanting to claim to be a community club demands a chunk of money from a supposedly community organisation have a seat at its table. At a time where I think I am right in saying the Trust are struggling to manage everything that needs to be done and are losing money (I think I recall that being in the last Trust statements) . It was seen as important enough for the big survey to include it as a key question.
Like pulling hens teeth! The club haven't 'demanded a chunk of money' from a community organisation! It was the clubs money in the first place, it is simply 'laundered' through the Trust ( not the best choice of words perhaps). The bars gave the Trust a focal point, even credibility |
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Like pulling hens teeth!
The club haven't 'demanded a chunk of money' from a community organisation!
It was the clubs money in the first place, it is simply 'laundered' through the Trust ( not the best choice of words perhaps). The bars gave the Trust a focal point, even credibility
Like dealing with a master spinner, Do we keep a seat on the board if there isn't a £30,000 going from the Trust to the club? You seem to be suggesting the club are effectively giving the Trust a seat on the board for free which is total tosh. If suggesting the Trust literally pay £30,000 in hard cash for the seat on the board is inaccurate, your suggestions that the club are loaning the Trust the money and the influence are equally so! |
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Like pulling hens teeth!
The club haven't 'demanded a chunk of money' from a community organisation!
It was the clubs money in the first place, it is simply 'laundered' through the Trust ( not the best choice of words perhaps). The bars gave the Trust a focal point, even credibility
I'm sure that those that run the bars, stock the bars and organise the bars don't think the money is being 'laundered' as you put it. |
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