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| February 22, 2016, 9:30pm |
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The best post I've seen arguing for a change. Nice to see a well constructed argument which doesn't show a personal dislike of Hurst or pour scorn on anyone with a different point of view.
If you look carefully through the majority of posts, I think you'll find that most have said that he's a likeable enough guy, just not a winner or up to delivering what this club desperately needs. |
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| HertsGTFC |
| February 22, 2016, 9:48pm |
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It is admirable to believe that Hurst should have until the end of the season, but I think the writing is on the wall for everyone to see. He's lost the dressing room and lost the majority support of fans. We have enough points in hand to give a new manager a chance to get us promoted. Everything now seems so stale.
Where the "give Hurst until the end of the season" argument falls down is the following scenario. If we do not get promoted and he gets the sack where will that leave us? Very few players left on contract, the rest, free agents. During the time it will take to appoint a new manager our best players will have moved on and will shy away from any uncertainty. If we get a new manager in now, at least the players will be offered some continuity. IF Fenty does choose well then I don't think the new manager will have any less of a chance than Hurst to get us promoted. A freshen up is what we and the players need. A new manager may also pull a couple of gems in the loan market off, players he knows well and trusts.
I'm not anti- Hurst, even though I think he's always been uninspiring and one dimensional. I'm just realistically and passionately pro-GTFC and don't think Hurst will ever deliver what we desperately need. A win against Woking won't change our long term future. It will delay our club's best interests.
I can just foresee the situation in June where we have no manager and only two or three players if Fenty doesn't act now.
Possibly................. But if a new manager came in and did not achieve promotion where would that leave us with regard to building for another push next year? and how credible would a new manager look to prospective signings if he blew a "points cushion" and we failed, would that attract better players than we have now. This could easily happen if the players don't warm to a new guy. IMO I don't think PH has what it takes but a change before the end of the season could be counter productive. A win against Woking won't change our long term future but a defeat against Halifax at this stage has not changed it either. Also realistically who would we get, some names bandied about yesterday like Cottrell. Neil Redfearn, Chris Powell, Ronnie Moore, Mark Robins etc... why would they come here? Worth remembering if they are currently being paid their old salary (usually it's monthly rather than a lump sum) after being sacked as soon as they get another job that stops, would you be in a hurry to earn less money? |
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| DocTower |
| February 22, 2016, 10:31pm |
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A lot depends on tomorrow night , win , it will gloss over the cracks , but things have now come to a head . Things have been said in anger and in haste which have exasperated the whole situation . Time to re evaluate and make a decision stick or twist , the devil you know or the devil you don't .
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| heppy88 |
| February 22, 2016, 10:35pm |
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It is admirable to believe that Hurst should have until the end of the season, but I think the writing is on the wall for everyone to see. He's lost the dressing room and lost the majority support of fans. We have enough points in hand to give a new manager a chance to get us promoted. Everything now seems so stale.
Where the "give Hurst until the end of the season" argument falls down is the following scenario. If we do not get promoted and he gets the sack where will that leave us? Very few players left on contract, the rest, free agents. During the time it will take to appoint a new manager our best players will have moved on and will shy away from any uncertainty. If we get a new manager in now, at least the players will be offered some continuity. IF Fenty does choose well then I don't think the new manager will have any less of a chance than Hurst to get us promoted. A freshen up is what we and the players need. A new manager may also pull a couple of gems in the loan market off, players he knows well and trusts.
I'm not anti- Hurst, even though I think he's always been uninspiring and one dimensional. I'm just realistically and passionately pro-GTFC and don't think Hurst will ever deliver what we desperately need. A win against Woking won't change our long term future. It will delay our club's best interests.
I can just foresee the situation in June where we have no manager and only two or three players if Fenty doesn't act now.
Good, common sense post. I honestly believe the time is right now to make the change, for all the reasons you suggest. But unfortunately I think the board will still stick with him until the end of the season. Only a few weeks ago Mr Mullen was singing his praises. His attitude and professionalism around the club is probably first rate. But the only question that really matters is: can he get this club promoted? Nothing else matters. |
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| arryarryarry |
| February 22, 2016, 11:10pm |
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Possibly................. But if a new manager came in and did not achieve promotion where would that leave us with regard to building for another push next year? and how credible would a new manager look to prospective signings if he blew a "points cushion" and we failed, would that attract better players than we have now. This could easily happen if the players don't warm to a new guy.
IMO I don't think PH has what it takes but a change before the end of the season could be counter productive. A win against Woking won't change our long term future but a defeat against Halifax at this stage has not changed it either.
Also realistically who would we get, some names bandied about yesterday like Cottrell. Neil Redfearn, Chris Powell, Ronnie Moore, Mark Robins etc... why would they come here? Worth remembering if they are currently being paid their old salary (usually it's monthly rather than a lump sum) after being sacked as soon as they get another job that stops, would you be in a hurry to earn less money?
The problem is if we don't go up then it is either one of two things or a combination of both. Either the players aren't good enough or the manager isn't good enough or both. Either way there would have to be a big change for the start of next season if we don't go up. As regards who would come in as manager, my understanding is that for the last few times we advertised the post there were at least 50 applicants each time so for a club the size of Grimsby I'm sure there are plenty who would relish managing us. Let's not forget that Scott and Hurst were 3rd choice. Let us also hope that all this speculation is meaningless and that we manage to achieve our goal of getting back into the Football League. |
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| barralad |
| February 22, 2016, 11:31pm |
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The problem is if we don't go up then it is either one of two things or a combination of both. Either the players aren't good enough or the manager isn't good enough or both.
Either way there would have to be a big change for the start of next season if we don't go up.
As regards who would come in as manager, my understanding is that for the last few times we advertised the post there were at least 50 applicants each time so for a club the size of Grimsby I'm sure there are plenty who would relish managing us.
Let's not forget that Scott and Hurst were 3rd choice.
Let us also hope that all this speculation is meaningless and that we manage to achieve our goal of getting back into the Football League.
Yeah but two of them at least were spurious. One was from my mate and one from another mates brother who only has about 10% vision!  |
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| ginnywings |
| February 22, 2016, 11:35pm |
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Yeah but two of them at least were spurious. One was from my mate and one from another mates brother who only has about 10% vision!
Is he still interested? |
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| gaz57 |
| February 23, 2016, 12:03am |
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Yeah but two of them at least were spurious. One was from my mate and one from another mates brother who only has about 10% vision!
By any chance were their names Scott and Hurst. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| February 23, 2016, 12:31am |
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OK, then, how about this?
After 32 games, we're 5 points clear of 4th place with a game (or games) in hand and a much superior goal difference to any of the teams below us. Effectively 6 points clear in 3rd place. We're clearly doomed. Yeesh.
That's better. As a stat for saying, we're gonna get in the play offs. If you're happy with that good. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| February 23, 2016, 12:35am |
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Amazing how quickly it turns around. 6 weeks ago we were all sweating about Hurst going to Notts County. Most of us were desperate for him to stay!
Speak for yourself. |
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