Artell In Or out ?

Quoted from HerveJosse

If we end up with Pearson and Davies as permanent managers that would be the ultimate statement of we have no ambition and are a non league / lower League 2 yo yo club.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Totally agree we need a total clearout to rid the club of the ''Grimsby Mentality'' Pearson and Davies are as much to blame as anybody else.

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not sure that’s fair. We’ve gone from Hurst’s “take no risk, ever” approach to Artell wanting us to consistently take risks inside our own final third. There were / are clear problems with both extremes; I doubt either directive was coming from Pearson or Davies. If anything, they seemed to have us playing with something of a happy medium during their brief spell.

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not sure that’s fair. We’ve gone from Hurst’s “take no risk, ever” approach to Artell wanting us to consistently take risks inside our own final third. There were / are clear problems with both extremes; I doubt either directive was coming from Pearson or Davies. If anything, they seemed to have us playing with something of a happy medium during their brief spell.

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not sure that’s fair. We’ve gone from Hurst’s “take no risk, ever” approach to Artell wanting us to consistently take risks inside our own final third. There were / are clear problems with both extremes; I doubt either directive was coming from Pearson or Davies. If anything, they seemed to have us playing with something of a happy medium during their brief spell.

Quoted from Poojah

There are three basic options open to us now and in the coming weeks. One; we stick with Artell. Two; we sack Artell and install Pearson and Davies until the end of the season. And three; we sack Artell and make an external appointment. I see risk in every option.

Artell appears steadfast in the method and style he wants to play with, despite the fact that it patently isn’t working and sides appear to have completely worked us out. The players, once again, look absolutely zapped of confidence and the body language on the pitch and in the dugout was concerning on Saturday. To turn things around, Artell needs to either change tact entirely, or find a way to make his methods work pronto. I don’t have much faith that either will happen, after Saturday.

Person and Davies certainly did bring a sense of stability and sensibility to proceedings, and with 5 points from 3 games have comfortably the best PPG record of any of the 3 management setups we’ve had this season. That’s play-off form incidentally, but it’s a small sample size, and it would be dangerous to take that as a microcosm of what they might be able to replicate between now and the end of the season.

Any external option, by definition, is likely someone we deemed less qualified than Artell as recently as November, or who has a fresh sacking on their CV inside the last 3 months. Realistically, you don’t have the luxury of another month to make an appointment this time around, unless you consider option 2 a good one, in which case you surely just do that anyway. Ultimately, it’s likely we’d simply have to go for our 2nd or 3rd choice from last time round, and that’s if they still want it. It’s not a scenario I find particularly mouth watering, to say the least.

Ultimately, there are a broad spectrum of views being expressed on here ranging from “Artell has to go now” to “stick with him - he’s the man”. I have my own opinion, but I recognise that whatever your stance, it will take the fullness of time to establish what the correct course of action might have been.

My position is that Artell should get the next two games, provided things aren’t completely batshít behind the scenes, but he has to return with an absolute minimum of 2 points, and neither performance should be a disgrace. Those are not lofty ambitions, and if Artell is indeed “the man”, he should be capable of delivering at least that against Colchester and Donny teams whose points totals suggest are not demonstrably better than us.

If he fails, I can see no argument to retain his services. In that case, I think the best option is to revert back to a Pearson / Davies combo indefinitely, and keep our powder dry on another third-party option in the event they cannot repeat their previous success.

I’ve done a lot of thinking on this in the past 24 hours, and that seems to me at least to be the most cogent short-term plan. Others may see things differently.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think it is inconceivable the owners will sack him, whatever happens.

They have decided the way to go, Artell was their number one choice to deliver a whole new philosophy running through the club in an attempt to get an identity and move up the leagues by top coaching and nurturing talent to sell on.

I remember in the early days of Buckley getting beaten 4 nil at home with the crowd baying for blood.

If it really went belly up and we got relegated I still think they would stick with this plan even if Artell left.

Quoted from HerveJosse

If we end up with Pearson and Davies as permanent managers that would be the ultimate statement of we have no ambition and are a non league / lower League 2 yo yo club.