Artell In Or out ?

I said before we sacked Hurst, the new manager would still have the same squad and would still have to work within the constraints we have, in which players are under contract and the quality you need aren't always available mid-January. Paul Hurst would have made changes in that market, Artell did, but ultimately, teams aren't willing to let strong players go in January when strong players aren't available to be replace them.

I also said it'd probably take 2 summer transfer windows (for contracts to run out) for any manager to pick the squad they want, and maybe 3 if you assume they're human and make mistakes. Every top manager has had plenty of intercourse ups.

Our squad had issues under Hurst. It still has issues now, and it needs time. Swapping out the guy giving the tactics still mean most of the same players are going to be going out on that field. We've got to work with what we have, get behind the players and the team. Artell has got some good form out of them at times, and obviously there have been a few disasters. We're 7 points off relegation and just played the top team with far better quality throughout and a larger budget.

If you swap managers out, you never fully hold your players to account. My view is we stick, support our manager, and not chop and take a 3rd managers salary out of the budget.

The way fans want to change stuff immediately, Alex Fergusson wouldn't have made it out of his first season. Twitter brain football fans are loud, but quite detached from reality, but never accountable when their complaining was misplaced. They'll hide that, and pretend they've always had the right position.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Lol. 6 days ago, I said this:

"Don't be sensible.

We'll go from having a competent manager who fixed our weaknesses to an absolute disaster and BSer who only got the job because he blew smoke up the arses of the Guardian writing, champagne socialists only obsessed about B corp status and not keeping us in the football league."

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1707024836//id-1708867#id1708867

This place is absolutely hilarious at times. Oh, and Artell said something about the fans, so knives are out. We have some of the best fans in the world. "intercourse off, Tom Newey." "You're a useless piece of excrement Tom Newey". We've always supported our players and built them up .

Another Town fan who keeps his head stuck up his bottom.

Town fans are no different to fans of all clubs, I've followed Town all over and heard home fans giving their own manager and players excrement as well as reading other fans forums slagging off their own players.

The players are excrement (baring Rose). Got Hurst sacked and are trying their best to do the same to DA. Hurst couldn't get tune out of them, DA can't either, no one could.

The blame lies with the players.

I think we'll stay up, but it's depressing viewing. Sat 21st, it's flipping league 2.

Stockroom said they were looking at the data for about 4 weeks before sacking Hurst. In that 4 weeks and the time it took to appoint Artell .Adkins ,Robinson ,Cotterell and the cowley were all available .Adjins and Robinson already done their bit .Let's see what the cowley and Cotterill can conjure up .Cos I don't think our guy is improving us

Artell certainly won't be sacked as it will reduce Stockwood's credibility to zero.

I thought Artell would be great for Town judging by some of the football played early doors but the last 2 home games have seen all the good stuff evaporate and the bad stuff get worse.

Who knows what the answer is? None of us know how we have managed to get 4th bottom in February after all the goodwill and relative success of the last couple of seasons but here we are once again.

The only thing is to survive, somehow and regroup next season but everybody sees us (rightly) as perennial strugglers which is humiliating really. Peter Handysides sad passing just reinforced the difference between then and now.

Quoted from Norseman

Stockroom said they were looking at the data for about 4 weeks before sacking Hurst. In that 4 weeks and the time it took to appoint Artell .Adkins ,Robinson ,Cotterell and the cowley were all available .Adjins and Robinson already done their bit .Let's see what the cowley and Cotterill can conjure up .Cos I don't think our guy is improving us

I do think it's odd that we've ended up with this manager who's so poor at communicating, when I'm sure the owners would've had that as a requirement. He doesn't compose himself well and can't instil a conviction. The owners have been done here, in my opinion and as it stands, I'm not convinced by them either.

Quoted from Norseman

Stockroom said they were looking at the data for about 4 weeks before sacking Hurst. In that 4 weeks and the time it took to appoint Artell .Adkins ,Robinson ,Cotterell and the cowley were all available .Adjins and Robinson already done their bit .Let's see what the cowley and Cotterill can conjure up .Cos I don't think our guy is improving us

Adkins wasn’t available he was already working at Tranmere. Not sure how you can say that about Cotterell who’s turned us down at least one in the past, though it was a long time ago.

Artell won’t get sacked as JS & AP won’t have a successor lined up as I suspect they didn’t believe they needed one.

The owners by their own admission “aren’t football people” I wonder how many experts in the game told them Artell was the man to take us forward without actually knowing how sh1t our players are.

I’d rather have Shaun and I suspect the squad would too. I don’t know what he’s trying to do, and he talks cobblers, at far too great length. Adopting this current strategy/style of play, or more specifically, how he’s doing it is lunacy and it’s palpably failing.
If the crowd turn against him and create a hostile atmosphere at home - checkout the regular booing throughout today’s game - we will get even worse and the whole show will be unpleasant for everyone involved.
In my opinion, we are not in a position to be doing what DA is trying to do right now. Not when we can’t defend. A team that can’t defend that decides to play the way he wants to is asking to get canned out of division 4. We’ve got this income, this support, this ownership and culture….all excellent, and this sh1t show on the pitch. We really can’t have it. If it gets worse (or stays the same) in the next 3/4 games, then I dread to think what the atmosphere around the club will be.
It’s infuriating and saddening this really. Shouldn’t be happening.
I just can’t buy into Artell.

Quoted from Ashby mariner

I honestly think our for would of been better sticking with Hurst. Especially if he'd of had January to try and bring some new players in. Hurst often added some good signings and had strong 2nd half's of the  seasons. Totally irrelevant now I guess.

Yep. Said this at the time. Also see those who wanted hurst out are now hounding Artell. Fúck to all of it. I’m so fed up with it all.