Artell In Or out ?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think it is inconceivable the owners will sack him, whatever happens.

They have decided the way to go, Artell was their number one choice to deliver a whole new philosophy running through the club in an attempt to get an identity and move up the leagues by top coaching and nurturing talent to sell on.

I remember in the early days of Buckley getting beaten 4 nil at home with the crowd baying for blood.

If it really went belly up and we got relegated I still think they would stick with this plan even if Artell left.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Interesting point re nurturing talent as, other than Conteh, it’s hard to see which of the other players recruited fit this spec? From our initial signings, following the return to the EFL, is arguable that both Glennon and Hunt fitted this approach but now neither can even get in the side. Nor can Khouri and non of the lads kept on from the Academy look like they’re going to make it.

Pretty difficult to actually identify what our recruitment policy is other than taking on players not good enough!!!

Quoted from Poojah

I’m not sure about that. The atmosphere towards the end of the Donny away game was bordering on toxic, and that was for a bloke who had delivered some of the best times in recent memory for this football club.

If, and this remains a big if at this stage, we lose the next two games, the atmosphere against Doncaster will, again, be one of absolutely untenable proportions. Remember, last time we went down fans weren’t in the ground; there is a lot of pent up anger there that never got properly vented.

If the owners were to persist with Artell beyond that point, that anger will, rightly or wrongly, inevitably turn towards them. I would argue “wrongly”, but it is inevitable all the same. Town fans have seen this kind of shít before, they’ve got the fúcking t-shirt - they will not stand idly and meekly by while we sleepwalk through the trapdoor once more.

Win tomorrow night and the whole narrative changes, but there’s no way Artell can lose the next two games and expect to be in the dugout at Morecambe.

Quoted from 137

The thing is, recent history says we are a non-league/L2 yo-yo team.

This doesn't sit well with me either, but it's the reality.

I've read many posts on here saying that we should be a mid-table L1 side.
This is based either on (i) our history - which is a bollox argument imo as history is all about the past; or
                                 (ii) our attendances - which is a better argument.
Fenty had plenty to do with us being where we are now - which is struggling to become an 'established' L2 team.

This isn't peculiar to GTFC though (off the top of my head):
Chesterfield
Aldershot
Oldham
Hartlepool
Rochdale
Barnet
Southend
York
Chester
Darlington
Scunthorpe  
Torquay
were L2 clubs in the fairly recent past, but are now wallowing down the pyramid.

So it would be a decent achievement if we could just be competitive in League 2 for a few seasons.
Only then could we sensibly talk about L1 (I think we'll need a new ground/larger capacity to do that. So not in my lifetime!)

Having said all that (i) how can you be so sure Shaun and Ben wouldn't be a wonderful management duo?
                            (ii) can you give me 1 or 2 plausible names who would show ambition? (Most L2 managers carry scars...)

Quoted from winghams

Key word for me.  Happy. Complete logic and common in Poojah's last two posts.
They aren't happy.  
Happy teams enjoy the game - and like playing the best way they can.
Happy teams scrap and fight for each other.
Blundell Park likes to see a fighting team.

Quoted from Poojah

There are three basic options open to us now and in the coming weeks. One; we stick with Artell. Two; we sack Artell and install Pearson and Davies until the end of the season. And three; we sack Artell and make an external appointment. I see risk in every option.

Artell appears steadfast in the method and style he wants to play with, despite the fact that it patently isn’t working and sides appear to have completely worked us out. The players, once again, look absolutely zapped of confidence and the body language on the pitch and in the dugout was concerning on Saturday. To turn things around, Artell needs to either change tact entirely, or find a way to make his methods work pronto. I don’t have much faith that either will happen, after Saturday.

Person and Davies certainly did bring a sense of stability and sensibility to proceedings, and with 5 points from 3 games have comfortably the best PPG record of any of the 3 management setups we’ve had this season. That’s play-off form incidentally, but it’s a small sample size, and it would be dangerous to take that as a microcosm of what they might be able to replicate between now and the end of the season.

Any external option, by definition, is likely someone we deemed less qualified than Artell as recently as November, or who has a fresh sacking on their CV inside the last 3 months. Realistically, you don’t have the luxury of another month to make an appointment this time around, unless you consider option 2 a good one, in which case you surely just do that anyway. Ultimately, it’s likely we’d simply have to go for our 2nd or 3rd choice from last time round, and that’s if they still want it. It’s not a scenario I find particularly mouth watering, to say the least.

Ultimately, there are a broad spectrum of views being expressed on here ranging from “Artell has to go now” to “stick with him - he’s the man”. I have my own opinion, but I recognise that whatever your stance, it will take the fullness of time to establish what the correct course of action might have been.

My position is that Artell should get the next two games, provided things aren’t completely batshít behind the scenes, but he has to return with an absolute minimum of 2 points, and neither performance should be a disgrace. Those are not lofty ambitions, and if Artell is indeed “the man”, he should be capable of delivering at least that against Colchester and Donny teams whose points totals suggest are not demonstrably better than us.

If he fails, I can see no argument to retain his services. In that case, I think the best option is to revert back to a Pearson / Davies combo indefinitely, and keep our powder dry on another third-party option in the event they cannot repeat their previous success.

I’ve done a lot of thinking on this in the past 24 hours, and that seems to me at least to be the most cogent short-term plan. Others may see things differently.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

And unlike Artell who doesn't seem to get it they know the impact that relegation would have on the supporters as well as the club.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Well we haven't got long to wait to find out which is a blessing of sorts!

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Was he? Confirm this.