Artell In Or out ?

Sh1t players, sh1t team, bullsh1t manager, just like the last 20 years.

How the fook did we end up with a rookie goalkeeper, and a midfield that is incapable of even controlling and passing a football. Clifton and Holahan are not good enough, and the option off the bench is Andrews, who has about 20 league games under his belt.

No surprise that we are out of our depth because again we don't ever learn.

All the best players from last season are gone, and haven't been replaced. We are an embarrassment and can't string together three passes without losing the ball. Basic errors all over the pitch in every game.

Quoted from Davec

I think the criteria Stockwood and Pettit set probably meant Artell was the best available manager.

Remember Stockwood said in an interview available to us all to see that he is looking for a manager who wants to play the "Grimsby way"  and he defined that as a possession based game. Some managers may well have said to him "I can't do that with the current squad" and Stockwood and pettit may have decided those candidates were out of the running.

Then you have the fact that any new manager were required to work with the current coaching set up and there was no scope to bring in their own men, again this was stated publicly at the fans forum, now I think we all agree that most managers out there would prefer the chance to bring in their own men on the coaching team, so that may have ruled out several candidates

Artell said in an early interview that he was given the opportunity to bring one of his own coaches in but he declined to do that.

At the fans forum Jason said Ben & Shaun would be retained but wasn’t specific about in what capacity.

In terms of the question in or out other than Ben & Shaun I’m not sure what the alternative would look like. There's 16 games left, the players are not good enough & their heads look to have already gone so new ideas might not land with them as they might not have the band width for more change.

This time next week we could be a point off the relegation zone, if that happens he should go. What I also believe is that if we get relegated again despite all the good work they’ve done the owners will need to take accountability for something that will regress the club once again.

It’s obvious that  Stockwood went for the cheap option! I didn’t realise Adkin’s was available, he was the man with the credentials to motivate and instil a working system to play too.
Like many on here I did initially get caught up with the Stockwood  hype. I thought well.. he’s super rich and he’s a town fan, articulate and intelligent, so he’s well aware there is no money to be made, so he must be here for the love of the club and knows he will need to shell out big for any success.

I started to realise early on that he wasn’t going to be our Jack Haywood, John Hall or Jack Walker there was to be no big investment, the loans to be paid back would come from club revenue, any hopes of a new stadium quickly disappeared, and I think the playing budget in the conference was only half decent because of the parachute payment. No this is all about status for him, the local boy done good, owner of a once proud historic football club. He thought he could run it like his business models and turn around a poor struggling club, but the reality is the club is costing him now which goes against the grain for any champagne socialist, which is why we are still and will continue to be a poor struggling club.

Quoted from Humbercod

It’s obvious that  Stockwood went for the cheap option! I didn’t realise Adkin’s was available, he was the man with the credentials to motivate and instil a working system to play too.
Like many on here I did initially get caught up with the Stockwood  hype. I thought well.. he’s super rich and he’s a town fan, articulate and intelligent, so he’s well aware there is no money to be made, so he must be here for the love of the club and knows he will need to shell out big for any success.

I started to realise early on that he wasn’t going to be our Jack Haywood, John Hall or Jack Walker there was to be no big investment, the loans to be paid back would come from club revenue, any hopes of a new stadium quickly disappeared, and I think the playing budget in the conference was only half decent because of the parachute payment. No this is all about status for him, the local boy done good, owner of a once proud historic football club. He thought he could run it like his business models and turn around a poor struggling club, but the reality is the club is costing him now which goes against the grain for any champagne socialist, which is why we are still and will continue to be a poor struggling club.

I made the point on another post/thread Adkins wasn’t available he was already working at Tranmere a club he’s heavily invested in.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I made the point on another post/thread Adkins wasn’t available he was already working at Tranmere a club he’s heavily invested in.

Fair point! It would be interesting to find out who would have been realistically available with some ambition.

Quoted from Humbercod

It’s obvious that  Stockwood went for the cheap option! I didn’t realise Adkin’s was available, he was the man with the credentials to motivate and instil a working system to play too.
Like many on here I did initially get caught up with the Stockwood  hype. I thought well.. he’s super rich and he’s a town fan, articulate and intelligent, so he’s well aware there is no money to be made, so he must be here for the love of the club and knows he will need to shell out big for any success.

I started to realise early on that he wasn’t going to be our Jack Haywood, John Hall or Jack Walker there was to be no big investment, the loans to be paid back would come from club revenue, any hopes of a new stadium quickly disappeared, and I think the playing budget in the conference was only half decent because of the parachute payment. No this is all about status for him, the local boy done good, owner of a once proud historic football club. He thought he could run it like his business models and turn around a poor struggling club, but the reality is the club is costing him now which goes against the grain for any champagne socialist, which is why we are still and will continue to be a poor struggling club.

I fear there may be more truth to this than many care to admit

Just stop trying to play from the back this season.

Let's make our league status secure them bring in players who can play that way in the summer.

There are not many fans that could stomach another season or six back in the conference.

We always make the wrong decisions I thought it would be different under Jason and Andrew but no it's no different at all.

The main problem is, and would still be if we got yet another Manager in, that the players are underperforming. They are supposedly good enough to have a Professional contract, but game after game they are proving that they are incapable of even the most basic of skills. It's quite unbelievable how many times we lose the ball when attempting a short pass. I burst out laughing a few games back. The ball had been passed to A*****s. He had two players to his left about 10 yards apart, both in space and asking for the ball, and he managed to overhit the pass right between them both, perfectly bisecting the angle, and out for a throw in. This is the sort of simple excrement that is drilled into kids until they can do it with their eyes closed. Actually, that's probably the reason the useless fooker kicked it out.

The second problem is the Coaching team. They were part of the backroom team that had failed to do their jobs, and got us in the position where the owners felt they needed to lose PH and CD, and yet there they still are, still underachieving, and we are in an even worse position now. That needs to change, and soon.

I think at this low ebb, we could get a Premiership manager in, and he wouldn't be able to get a reaction from the players.

All we can hope for this season is we survive relegation, and it would be nice to see Danny Rose and/or Abo Eisa score 15 goals or more

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

The main problem is, and would still be if we got yet another Manager in, that the players are underperforming. They are supposedly good enough to have a Professional contract, but game after game they are proving that they are incapable of even the most basic of skills. It's quite unbelievable how many times we lose the ball when attempting a short pass. I burst out laughing a few games back. The ball had been passed to A*****s. He had two players to his left about 10 yards apart, both in space and asking for the ball, and he managed to overhit the pass right between them both, perfectly bisecting the angle, and out for a throw in. This is the sort of simple excrement that is drilled into kids until they can do it with their eyes closed. Actually, that's probably the reason the useless fooker kicked it out.

The second problem is the Coaching team. They were part of the backroom team that had failed to do their jobs, and got us in the position where the owners felt they needed to lose PH and CD, and yet there they still are, still underachieving, and we are in an even worse position now. That needs to change, and soon.

I think at this low ebb, we could get a Premiership manager in, and he wouldn't be able to get a reaction from the players.

All we can hope for this season is we survive relegation, and it would be nice to see Danny Rose and/or Abo Eisa score 15 goals or more

I agree with most of this but think it might be a bit hard on Shaun & Ben. Shaun was scouting in the main when PH was here & if the coaching was so poor Ben would only 33% of the problem as PH & CD where active coaches, with the outfield players at any rate.

Oddly enough this season unlike many in recent years we have scored a few goals so it’s beyond me why Artell has come in and not fixed the root cause of the issue - our defence

This squad is poor so it needed evolution not revolution 🙄

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

The truth is he inherited a team of underperforming players (bar one or two).

DA isnt a magician or a miracle worker and he needs time to get these underperforming performing.

It wouldnt have mattered who had taken over, they would still have had crap players to work with

Then play a way to get results another bull💩 excuse after excuse win games stop talking 💩 oh  and we got battered by Walsall it was a 6-1 game behind 🤡