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I think we all know that Stockwood’s inference is that “the Grimsby way” is a nod to the Buckley football of the late 80s and 90s, with the club consistently punching above its weight and not just beating much bigger clubs on a regular basis, but playing them off the park.
But the simple notion that Buckley teams were solely about sexy, pass and move football overlooks one important thing. His teams were always full of grit. Yes, you had to be able to play a bit, but those teams had players who were, to all intents and purposes, as hard as nails. Livvo, Groves, Cunnington, Lever, Rees, Pouton, just off the top of my head.
Not withstanding the fact we can’t currently do the tippy tapping stuff very well either, this is a huge part of the Grimsby identity that is completely missing at the moment. Blundell Park is a place that will always respond positively to effort and commitment, and we saw none of that yesterday, with the notable exception of Danny Rose. Other than him, I don’t see anyone I’d want beside me in the trenches.
It doesn’t matter what brand of football you try to play, we are absolutely spineless. Like some invertebrate, football playing bowl of primordial soup. For as long as that remains the case, we will remain in deep, deep trouble.
Yes Buckley teams were passing and movement based, but with toughness at the heart esp in CM. The desire they have for a pass and move team is one I share but that is not the same as this kamikaze football of rolling it to a couple of poor defenders stood on the 6 yard line and hoping they can dazzle their way past the onrushing opposition. It's bonkers. I really wasn't keen on the Slade season where we nearly went up, the kick and rush football was awful even if we were winning. I was brought up on buckleyball and wanted to see passing. But I think this having statuesque pair of defenders on the 6 yard line shitting themselves being how we want to start literally every single move is worse then kick and rush. I hate it.
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February 11, 2024, 3:14pm |
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Been saying since October that this set are complete fannies. Up until this season Hurst’s sides had heart & resilience and a few lads away from whoever was skipper willing to take accountability. Whether that was by upping the work rate, directing others around the park or just being a Max style sh1touse when required.
Regardless of the outcome of this season I wouldn’t want to see any of the current out of contract players here next season, and a few contracted ones need to consider if they truly want to be here.
Yes I commented on another thread about the difference between this lot and the team of 2021/22. Watching the brilliant film 'All Town Aren't We' brings home in the most emphatic way just how lacking we are in heart and spirit right now. Hard to believe that in less than a year we've gone from the joy of promotion and FA Cup quarter finalists, to this unbelievable shower of shiite. From seeing the last 3 home games, it's pretty clear that the players look more and more confused with Artell's grand experiment, and confidence is draining from them. Hopefully our away form can compensate for this between now and the end of the season, but there has to be more than one way of playing so that opponents don't automatically know our game plan. The depressing evidence though is that they've all sussed us out.
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February 11, 2024, 3:16pm |
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But not only are we playing as a poor team we are also probably the smallest and least physical side I have ever seen town put out so set pieces are not a real goal threat when we are attacking and conversely they are massive when we are defending.
Worrying times.
That was one of the startling things to me yesterday. To a man their back three compared to our centre backs were taller, broader, stronger, quicker, more aggressive and better on the ball. Probably have a higher sperm count too. And I think therein lies one of the major problems we have. We’re not good enough to play football but not really cut out for a scrap either. I think the best we can hope for is to get it forward early in to feet and attempt to play from there, not in front of our dodgy defence.
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February 11, 2024, 3:19pm |
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Think people are forgetting how new Shaun is to coaching.
I watched the intensity of the warm up shaun was involved in , I have to say it was very one paced very similar to our overall performance.
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February 11, 2024, 3:21pm |
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Every man who has managed a club never had any experience of doing it before he actually did it.
Including the top managers. Everyone starts somewhere.
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MuddyWaters |
February 11, 2024, 3:31pm |
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People keep saying Green is limited, but he looks head and shoulders better than Holohan, who can't control and pass a ball to save his life.
We looked much better with him in the middle and he very rarely gave the ball away.
Neither of them are anything other than National League level.
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February 11, 2024, 3:36pm |
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I watched the intensity of the warm up shaun was involved in , I have to say it was very one paced very similar to our overall performance.
I noticed that, their players where doing their bib session in small spaces like they do when our lads where in 2 lines passing the ball like you used to do to get your FA Coca Cola skills badge when you where 8.
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February 11, 2024, 4:04pm |
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Listening to the Stockport commentators, who were very well informed regarding our players, puts things into perspective. 'He was signed from Halifax, He was signed from Rochdale, He was signed from a relegated club, and another, He was signed from Halifax.' and so on, brought home the reality of the situation. There lies my case, your honour.
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February 11, 2024, 4:40pm |
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From what I was told, our budget is very average, at best. The irritating facts about that are doubly stark - firstly - we can’t compete to sign the best (or most expensive) players at this level, and that’s disappointing given our fan base, recent cup success revenue and the relative income we generate, but worse, there are plenty of clubs in L2 with smaller budgets and income streams that have found better players than ours. Found them, coached them, used them to greater effect. If you’re way behind Barrow, and Morecambe, and Harrogate, and Crawley etc…consistently and decisively behind that is, as in, not competitive with….then you’re getting very few things right.
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MuddyWaters |
February 11, 2024, 4:48pm |
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From what I was told, our budget is very average, at best. The irritating facts about that are doubly stark - firstly - we can’t compete to sign the best (or most expensive) players at this level, and that’s disappointing given our fan base, recent cup success revenue and the relative income we generate, but worse, there are plenty of clubs in L2 with smaller budgets and income streams that have found better players than ours. Found them, coached them, used them to greater effect. If you’re way behind Barrow, and Morecambe, and Harrogate, and Crawley etc…consistently and decisively behind that is, as in, not competitive with….then you’re getting very few things right.
And there’s very little reason to argue with any of that. Which is sad and pretty demoralising.
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