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Happy to blame the previous for all-SORTS but after three years, the argument it’s all Fenty’s fault cannot be taken seriously.
Of course it can. If somebody had neglected their teeth/body for 20 years you can't snap your fingers and fix it all straight away. And there will always be ramifications from that time of neglect. |
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Surely as an engineer you'd understand the term end of life regarding the main stand columns? Also in the hundred plus years since they where installed materials and engineering practices have evolved. If the structural engineers can calculate that the roof can safely be supported by less columns thats a win for the fans too surely?
As regards the pitch. While not perfect its a damn sight better than it has been in my living memory. I'm pretty sure theres at least 1 game this season that would have been called off last season and in previous seasons due to the rain. the Findus stand side has far more grass on it than it usually does this time of year
as for the safety certificate its my understanding that at least 2 stands would have been condemned in the last couple of seasons due to lack of preventative maintenance, i cant help but feel that the sale of the club and the work needed on the stadium is not a coincidence....
Not seen you post before but welcome. Not sure what you are trying to justify. I have no axe to grind, and see no plausible evidence to think the wooden structure and related supporting posts / columns are requiring replacement, and accept that’s entirely a matter for the current administration, equally I don’t accept the ‘term end of life’. Do you have such evidence as there are no signs of subsidence or any other such failure. Again where’s the evidance 2 stands would have been condemned but for routine anual maintenance. If you missed it. AP acknowledged in a recent interview that they were aware of the 10 year structural report when acquiring the club. Your final point. Was it not the case that the new owners negotiated publicly their wish to acquire / force the sale of the club to them. However, I do understand that these facts may not fit the narrative!!! |
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Not seen you post before but welcome.
Not sure what you are trying to justify.
I have no axe to grind, and see no plausible evidence to think the wooden structure and related supporting posts / columns are requiring replacement, and accept that’s entirely a matter for the current administration, equally I don’t accept the ‘term end of life’. Do you have such evidence as there are no signs of subsidence or any other such failure - the post, made of wood and steel, would has rotted and the steel work suffered with Chloride pitting corrosion(and before you say anything, I'm an integrity engineer in the petrochemicals so this is my bread n butter). Therefore they needed replacement/repair.
Again where’s the evidance 2 stands would have been condemned but for routine anual maintenance - see above.
If you missed it. AP acknowledged in a recent interview that they were aware of the 10 year structural report when acquiring the club - AP acknowledged the requirements for a 10 year report which they had done and they were shocked by the recommendations and requirements to get the stands and ground up to a suitable standard.
Your final point. Was it not the case that the new owners negotiated publicly their wish to acquire / force the sale of the club to them - nobody bar JSF forced the sale, Fenty copulated up trying to bring a conman into the club (and council for that matter) and was forced to sell up. Luckily AP, JS and TS put a consortium to save the club from near ruin. You must think investment into the future of the club is a bad thing and Fenty did a fantastic job, honestly, wake up and smell the coffee, the club is the best shape its been in for 25+ years!!..
However, I do understand that these facts may not fit the narrative!!!
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Wish I was a penny behind him. 😊😊
I write with concern after threading together things coming out of the club.
The fact is the club was viable and not now according to the chair.
The fact is it’s not sustainable which is not consistent with the chair’s values !! and it could be living beyond its means.
Without facts I simply put it out there based upon what comes out of the club.
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Ok I get the narrative. But does it really fit.
The fact is the club has always maintained a safety certificate without the sensation / fuss inferred today. If the new owners chose to make investments in vanity projects like glass screens in the upper and the idea of removing a few posts in the main, which as an engineer I cannot fathom, but its their prarogative. And presumably rather than maintain the Pony roof, instead to fit the idea of none relocation, it was maybe felt good money spent for the long term . Ask the owners I prefer not to speculate.
Oh and repayment of loans doesn’t hit the balance sheet or affect profit.
Oh and by the way the pitch remains a mess JT mentioned it in a recent game and I we are not through the bad wether.
Happy to blame the previous for all-SORTS but after three years, the argument it’s all Fenty’s fault cannot be taken seriously.
We don’t even know if there is a problem because we haven seen the accounts. As mentioned in my first post I only thread together what’s coming from the chair/club. No axe to grind but remain concerned.
To add to all the other answers to your post, the glass screens and new stand support posts were not a " vanity project". They were actioned as a response to what the fans wanted in a questionair/poll from JS and AP and also to address poor visibility from seats with restricted views. |
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Ok I get the narrative. But does it really fit.
The fact is the club has always maintained a safety certificate without the sensation / fuss inferred today. If the new owners chose to make investments in vanity projects like glass screens in the upper and the idea of removing a few posts in the main, which as an engineer I cannot fathom, but its their prarogative. And presumably rather than maintain the Pony roof, instead to fit the idea of none relocation, it was maybe felt good money spent for the long term . Ask the owners I prefer not to speculate.
Oh and repayment of loans doesn’t hit the balance sheet or affect profit.
Oh and by the way the pitch remains a mess JT mentioned it in a recent game and I we are not through the bad wether.
Happy to blame the previous for all-SORTS but after three years, the argument it’s all Fenty’s fault cannot be taken seriously.
We don’t even know if there is a problem because we haven seen the accounts. As mentioned in my first post I only thread together what’s coming from the chair/club. No axe to grind but remain concerned.
Bit in bold - Correct (kind of) and actually I'm glad we paid him off quickly as it just completely disconnects him after 20 off years of stupidity. |
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Not seen you post before but welcome.
Not sure what you are trying to justify.
I have no axe to grind, and see no plausible evidence to think the wooden structure and related supporting posts / columns are requiring replacement, and accept that’s entirely a matter for the current administration, equally I don’t accept the ‘term end of life’. Do you have such evidence as there are no signs of subsidence or any other such failure.
Again where’s the evidance 2 stands would have been condemned but for routine anual maintenance.
If you missed it. AP acknowledged in a recent interview that they were aware of the 10 year structural report when acquiring the club.
Your final point. Was it not the case that the new owners negotiated publicly their wish to acquire / force the sale of the club to them.
However, I do understand that these facts may not fit the narrative!!!
Not seen you post before but welcome. Thank you been here a while dont post that often.Not sure what you are trying to justify. Just offering an alternative opinion.I have no axe to grind, and see no plausible evidence to think the wooden structure and related supporting posts / columns are requiring replacement, and accept that’s entirely a matter for the current administration, equally I don’t accept the ‘term end of life’. Do you have such evidence as there are no signs of subsidence or any other such failure. Not that i could publish on here. Id argue if we where at the stage of subsidence or failure of the columns we are far too late. Renewal is to prevent this. Have you noticed the temporary timber additions to the current roof supports?Again where’s the evidance 2 stands would have been condemned but for routine anual maintenance. Its been stated publicly that the Osmond and Pontoon had issues. i dont have the evidence to hand,If you missed it. AP acknowledged in a recent interview that they were aware of the 10 year structural report when acquiring the club. Your final point. Was it not the case that the new owners negotiated publicly their wish to acquire / force the sale of the club to them.
i think your forgetting a few other issues id presume its not just one thing but a combination of the groundswell of fans opinions regarding the May fiasco ontop of all the other bad feelings, the expense that was about to be incured fixing the ground etc and the new owners pushing to buy. You know those tyre kickers as they where described as...However, I do understand that these facts may not fit the narrative!!! [b] I think theres several narratives at play here... |
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Ok I get the narrative. But does it really fit.
The fact is the club has always maintained a safety certificate without the sensation / fuss inferred today. If the new owners chose to make investments in vanity projects like glass screens in the upper and the idea of removing a few posts in the main, which as an engineer I cannot fathom, but its their prarogative. And presumably rather than maintain the Pony roof, instead to fit the idea of none relocation, it was maybe felt good money spent for the long term . Ask the owners I prefer not to speculate.
Oh and repayment of loans doesn’t hit the balance sheet or affect profit.
Oh and by the way the pitch remains a mess JT mentioned it in a recent game and I we are not through the bad wether.
Happy to blame the previous for all-SORTS but after three years, the argument it’s all Fenty’s fault cannot be taken seriously.
We don’t even know if there is a problem because we haven seen the accounts. As mentioned in my first post I only thread together what’s coming from the chair/club. No axe to grind but remain concerned.
Debt repayment may not impact the profit but it does have a major impact on cashflow. |
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Not seen you post before but welcome.
Not sure what you are trying to justify.
I have no axe to grind, and see no plausible evidence to think the wooden structure and related supporting posts / columns are requiring replacement, and accept that’s entirely a matter for the current administration, equally I don’t accept the ‘term end of life’. Do you have such evidence as there are no signs of subsidence or any other such failure.
Again where’s the evidance 2 stands would have been condemned but for routine anual maintenance.
If you missed it. AP acknowledged in a recent interview that they were aware of the 10 year structural report when acquiring the club.
Your final point. Was it not the case that the new owners negotiated publicly their wish to acquire / force the sale of the club to them.
However, I do understand that these facts may not fit the narrative!!!
Are you suggesting that, because AP was aware of the issues, money wasn't needed to rectify them? |
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