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Hope the club broadcast it if RH aren't. Would like to be able to listen in.
Thinking about it, I think they will as it would be a very limited audience otherwise.
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Hope the club broadcast it if RH aren't. Would like to be able to listen in.
Thinking about it, I think they will as it would be a very limited audience otherwise.
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I think it said he would be streamed live on the club YouTube channel.
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What I don't like about this is that the club are now able to screen questions much more than RH, so any probing questions that a journalist might like to ask may slip the net.
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What I don't like about this is that the club are now able to screen questions much more than RH, so any probing questions that a journalist might like to ask may slip the net.
I agree to some extent but it also stops the counties questions about what flipping food will be served at a ground that hasn’t even got a paper plan yet or whether or not some old twit can take a flask in to the ground… It also stops idiots like that goon at the, now infamous, fans forum that was clearly in love with Fenty which then caused even greater tension and discord… |
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Don't see the point of fans forums. It's just a way of owner's getting to fill folk with bull crap. Telling them half of what they want to hear and half flling them with crap to divert them. Actions speak louder than words all day long. Especially on the field of play. After all that's what it is all supposed to be about
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What I don't like about this is that the club are now able to screen questions much more than RH, so any probing questions that a journalist might like to ask may slip the net.
I fully expect questions to be filtered because they probably do get nonsense, but it would be much better to have them filtered by someone impartial but with a decent head on them like Matt Dean. At least if a tough question doesn't get asked, it's the impartial host that has to answer why rather than the club. |
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Do we also expect free towels?
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In the spirit of transparency and community why not book out Docks Beers and invite Lloyd and Kristine to co chair the event? After all 1878 was kind of generated there?
Too much weight is given to these events. We are not under existential threat but there is a need for the 'new' board to be all seen in one room and mixing with fans. So long as some fan reps can have a role in selecting questions e.g Grim Rob, Barralad and the new Telegraph guy, then it can't be overly stage managed.
Keep it light and savour a new vibe around GTFC.
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Don't see the point of fans forums. It's just a way of owner's getting to fill folk with bull crap. Telling them half of what they want to hear and half flling them with crap to divert them. Actions speak louder than words all day long. Especially on the field of play. After all that's what it is all supposed to be about
It's probably a box ticking exercise to comply with some quality standard or B Corp |
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It's more likely to address some of the criticism thrown at the board by naysayers on social media.
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Don't see the point of fans forums. It's just a way of owner's getting to fill folk with bull crap. Telling them half of what they want to hear and half flling them with crap to divert them. Actions speak louder than words all day long. Especially on the field of play. After all that's what it is all supposed to be about
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Few suggesting the club could duck questions. You do realise anyone can go there, stand up and ask anything you want?
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Few suggesting the club could duck questions. You do realise anyone can go there, stand up and ask anything you want?
Easier to moan… |
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Don't see the point of fans forums. It's just a way of owner's getting to fill folk with bull crap. Telling them half of what they want to hear and half flling them with crap to divert them. Actions speak louder than words all day long. Especially on the field of play. After all that's what it is all supposed to be about
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Shut up.
Nope . i am entitled to my view and stick to it And you as a mod should be upholding that |
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Nope . i am entitled to my view and stick to it And you as a mod should be upholding that
Pal, it was a p!ss take and you've taken it personally. It was said by one of the board at a fans forum during the reign of the 3rd Reich. |
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Few suggesting the club could duck questions. You do realise anyone can go there, stand up and ask anything you want?
That's assuming they open it up to the floor for questions. I went to their first one which was when we played Denmark in the Euros and further questions had to be written down which makes the difficult questions easy to discard. |
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Few suggesting the club could duck questions. You do realise anyone can go there, stand up and ask anything you want?
Yeah because everyone who supports town lives within a commutable distance of Blundell Park and can easily turn up there on a midweek evening to attend and ask questions in-person. |
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Yeah because everyone who supports town lives within a commutable distance of Blundell Park and can easily turn up there on a midweek evening to attend and ask questions in-person.
That's not the point I'm making. I am saying if they were 'ducking questions' they wouldn't have an audience that can ask them... I live in Sutton so I am well aware some don't live back home! Now as Jamesgtfc said re writing them down - that I would agree isn't the best idea. Let anyone that goes stand up and ask a question if they want, or write it down - which ever the questioner is more comfortable with. If they do that the allegations of question ducking are obviously ridiculous. |
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When I spotted this had been re-arranged for a night when Radio Humberside was not available the cynical part of me thought it was done deliberately to try and stop difficult questions being asked, if like in the past been able to submit questions to Radio Humberside then the panel will not have much say which questions are asked by the host of the evening, but now it's all being done in house and questions are submitted to the club then it is easy for the panel to decide which questions are answered and not answered, likewise if you can not simply stand up on the night and ask a question then that also add weight to the argument that difficult questions will be avoided.
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When I spotted this had been re-arranged for a night when Radio Humberside was not available the cynical part of me thought it was done deliberately to try and stop difficult questions being asked, if like in the past been able to submit questions to Radio Humberside then the panel will not have much say which questions are asked by the host of the evening, but now it's all being done in house and questions are submitted to the club then it is easy for the panel to decide which questions are answered and not answered, likewise if you can not simply stand up on the night and ask a question then that also add weight to the argument that difficult questions will be avoided.
I hope I am wrong
So do I. Think we should put a full stop to this. |
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I might be missing something... but are there a lot of 'tough' questions that they would need to 'duck'. They seem to be doing alright to me...
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I might be missing something... but are there a lot of 'tough' questions that would need to 'duck'. They seem to be doing alright to me...
My post above is meant to make light of the whole notion that these events have much chance of getting to the bottom of anything. Their importance tends to be amplified when there is a dearth of good news or when points are scarce.... and in a transfer window. Bingo, all three! Most clubs do fan forums for P.R. especially following a change of ownership or manager. Bit like school parent evenings. Teachers and parents dread them for different reasons. |
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Clubs host fans forums because they're mandated by the EFL to meet with fans twice a season:
"Clubs are required to meet with a representative group of supporters at least twice a season to discuss significant issues relating to the club. "
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When I spotted this had been re-arranged for a night when Radio Humberside was not available the cynical part of me thought it was done deliberately to try and stop difficult questions being asked
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I might be missing something... but are there a lot of 'tough' questions that they would need to 'duck'. They seem to be doing alright to me...
This. Some sound a bit like nutty conspiracy theorists. What are these ‘difficult’ questions? Can anyone share a few? Do the owners strike folk as shady, evasive types, or open, reflective articulate people? Jeez. Go if you want. Email a question if you want. Get a grip. Are there supposed to be bodies buried and a murky cover-up? What about precisely because I’m frigged if I know what some people are so vexed about, other than some disappointing recent results. |
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This. Some sound a bit like nutty conspiracy theorists.
What are these ‘difficult’ questions? Can anyone share a few? Do the owners strike folk as shady, evasive types, or open, reflective articulate people?
Jeez. Go if you want. Email a question if you want. Get a grip. Are there supposed to be bodies buried and a murky cover-up? What about precisely because I’m frigged if I know what some people are so vexed about, other than some disappointing recent results.
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Clubs host fans forums because they're mandated by the EFL to meet with fans twice a season:
"Clubs are required to meet with a representative group of supporters at least twice a season to discuss significant issues relating to the club. "
Thanks for that. Even more like a parents evening then. |
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This. Some sound a bit like nutty conspiracy theorists.
What are these ‘difficult’ questions? Can anyone share a few? Do the owners strike folk as shady, evasive types, or open, reflective articulate people?
Jeez. Go if you want. Email a question if you want. Get a grip. Are there supposed to be bodies buried and a murky cover-up? What about precisely because I’m frigged if I know what some people are so vexed about, other than some disappointing recent results.
I think the current owners are far more transparent and open to criticism compared to their predecessor, however it's just best practice to ensure any debate like this is moderated by an independent party. There are *some* fans who have a (misconstrued or not) axe to grind with Stockwood and Pettit, and allowing the submitted questions from those who can't attend in-person to be managed and put to the club by a third party means they're clear of any suggestion they might be avoiding scrutiny on certain issues. I really don't know why they've just not tried to find an alternative date where Radio Humberside and Matt Dean can attend to host the thing. |
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But I can’t think that S&P have anything to be fearful about and I’d be pleased to hear what these ‘axes to grind’ actually are.
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Could the Trust reps on the board not act as a third party in the sense that they have a foot in both camps?
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This. Some sound a bit like nutty conspiracy theorists.
What are these ‘difficult’ questions? Can anyone share a few? Do the owners strike folk as shady, evasive types, or open, reflective articulate people?
Jeez. Go if you want. Email a question if you want. Get a grip. Are there supposed to be bodies buried and a murky cover-up? What about precisely because I’m frigged if I know what some people are so vexed about, other than some disappointing recent results.
Depending how the next 12 days of the transfer window pans out and our form before the fans forum, questions about that would probably get asked. I think there are some difficult questions that could be asked about the commercial side of the club, some of the stories I've been told in that regard is pretty concerning. |
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I have no questions for them.
However i still have one for our former chairman. what are you doing with the money you conned out of the trust?
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Depending how the next 12 days of the transfer window pans out and our form before the fans forum, questions about that would probably get asked.
I think there are some difficult questions that could be asked about the commercial side of the club, some of the stories I've been told in that regard is pretty concerning.
Perhaps they will but fans, on the whole are a little more undertaking of the difficulties sometimes in bringing players in. At our level you’d imagine the cost of living and so forth is coming in to play when players are making decisions, so that will impact moves etc. It’s all well and good a few man babies jumping up and down demanding players etc but we’ve been told, pretty clearly really, that the reputation of the club still needs some work because of what’s gone on before and just signing players isn’t always a solution… I’m sure some boring girl private will moan about not receiving a reply to an email though, or want to know what food outlets will be at a stadium that’s not even designed yet, let alone built, perhaps someone will female dog and moan about advertising boards and then compare us to Clee Town🙄 In truth, even if Stockwood and Petit turned up dressed as Mr Tumble and sang nursery rhymes, it still wouldn’t be as bad as that fateful fans forum… |
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Pal, it was a p!ss take and you've taken it personally.
It was said by one of the board at a fans forum during the reign of the 3rd Reich.
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Perhaps they will but fans, on the whole are a little more undertaking of the difficulties sometimes in bringing players in. At our level you’d imagine the cost of living and so forth is coming in to play when players are making decisions, so that will impact moves etc.
It’s all well and good a few man babies jumping up and down demanding players etc but we’ve been told, pretty clearly really, that the reputation of the club still needs some work because of what’s gone on before and just signing players isn’t always a solution…
I’m sure some boring girl private will moan about not receiving a reply to an email though, or want to know what food outlets will be at a stadium that’s not even designed yet, let alone built, perhaps someone will female dog and moan about advertising boards and then compare us to Clee Town🙄
In truth, even if Stockwood and Petit turned up dressed as Mr Tumble and sang nursery rhymes, it still wouldn’t be as bad as that fateful fans forum…
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Serious question Aldi, do you think the commercial side of the club is being run well currently?
Compared to what? The previous state of the club or a club that’s had solid processes embedded in the club/businesses… |
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Compared to what? The previous state of the club or a club that’s had solid processes embedded in the club/businesses…
Compared to the days of Dave Smith running the show where kits arrived on time, customers actually got contacted, half time raffle tickets got sold, advertising boards were filled and the two tiered nameless stand actually had a name. I'm not disputing that Dave Smith probably had his faults but the customers liked him and wanted to continue doing business with him. |
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Compared to what? The previous state of the club or a club that’s had solid processes embedded in the club/businesses…
What are these solid processes that are embedded? This is just management jargon that is meaningless. What evidence is there that things are actually improving commercially? What seeds have been planted that we will be reaping the rewards of in the next few seasons? I'm not being cynical, maybe there is something. But all I can see is a big turnover in staff, a lot more office roles and very little change regarding what we're doing strategically. Other than the boost that happened as a result of the unbelievable end of last season. |
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Compared to the days of Dave Smith running the show where kits arrived on time, customers actually got contacted, half time raffle tickets got sold, advertising boards were filled and the two tiered nameless stand actually had a name.
I'm not disputing that Dave Smith probably had his faults but the customers liked him and wanted to continue doing business with him.
Dave Smith was exceptional at looking after our customers. He wasn't great at bringing in new ones. We've replaced him with somebody that is focused on the polar opposite. There was maybe a need for it being a 2 person role. This is very risky, because if things continue the way they have the last couple of months then we could well lose some long term sponsors and new ones aren't easy to find when the going gets tough. |
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Dave Smith was exceptional at looking after our customers. He wasn't great at bringing in new ones. We've replaced him with somebody that is focused on the polar opposite. There was maybe a need for it being a 2 person role.
This is very risky, because if things continue the way they have the last couple of months then we could well lose some long term sponsors and new ones aren't easy to find when the going gets tough.
this is likely to be a first - I'm agreeing with pen; from what I've heard I think his first para is spot on. Looks like the new strategy is to get new ,bigger paying sponsors. As Pen said you still need to look after the long term, smaller sponsors |
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Dave Smith was exceptional at looking after our customers. He wasn't great at bringing in new ones. We've replaced him with somebody that is focused on the polar opposite. There was maybe a need for it being a 2 person role.
This is very risky, because if things continue the way they have the last couple of months then we could well lose some long term sponsors and new ones aren't easy to find when the going gets tough.
The dealings I had with Dave Smith he was a top bloke, from what I have heard his replacement knows frig all about football clubs and so far there have been no announcements of new client investment even though there are now two commercial managers. |
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Stockwood said that they were looking at changing the type of sponsorships going forward, he wanted each one to be more of a "partnership". This could improve our long-term commercial income, but we'll have to wait a couple of years to judge that.
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It's amazing to me how much criticism the new owners get because "they don't do things the way they've always been done and with the same people".
Sometimes wonder how they both got to be multi millionaires.
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It's amazing to me how much criticism the new owners get because "they don't do things the way they've always been done and with the same people".
Sometimes wonder how they both got to be multi millionaires.
I'm not reading criticism. Its not criticism to question how things are working, improving, not working so well, highlighting areas for improvement. Its not criticism to debate the progress, or perceived lack of progress regarding the club, on and off the pitch. Reading a few of the threads and posts recently, it is clear a few posters get seriously prickly, when others point out areas of the club that may still need improving, areas that we may have expected some improvement already. Its healthy to promote transparency, discussion and debate. I thought that was one of the main aims of 1878? I've been shocked how quickly some posters are shot down just because their views on the club/owners don't align with other posters. Isn't the whole point of The Fishy to have a place where we can debate and share views, even if some views diverge from ours? FFS we are all Town aren't we? |
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I'm not reading criticism. Its not criticism to question how things are working, improving, not working so well, highlighting areas for improvement. Its not criticism to debate the progress, or perceived lack of progress regarding the club, on and off the pitch.
Reading a few of the threads and posts recently, it is clear a few posters get seriously prickly, when others point out areas of the club that may still need improving, areas that we may have expected some improvement already.
Its healthy to promote transparency, discussion and debate. I thought that was one of the main aims of 1878? I've been shocked how quickly some posters are shot down just because their views on the club/owners don't align with other posters.
Isn't the whole point of The Fishy to have a place where we can debate and share views, even if some views diverge from ours? FFS we are all Town aren't we?
Some posters believe that being critical of anything 1878 do is being pro-Fenty. The two things are not mutually exclusive. The interview with Jason today was great, he spoke knowledgeably about the pitch being 100 years old and ideally needing £1m spending on it but the long-term strategy of the club needs deciding first which I don't think anyone can argue with. He was also asked about the commercial performance and admitted it wasn't very good so it's great to hear our owner doesn't have his head in the sand. |
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I'm not reading criticism. Its not criticism to question how things are working, improving, not working so well, highlighting areas for improvement. Its not criticism to debate the progress, or perceived lack of progress regarding the club, on and off the pitch.
Reading a few of the threads and posts recently, it is clear a few posters get seriously prickly, when others point out areas of the club that may still need improving, areas that we may have expected some improvement already.
Its healthy to promote transparency, discussion and debate. I thought that was one of the main aims of 1878? I've been shocked how quickly some posters are shot down just because their views on the club/owners don't align with other posters.
Isn't the whole point of The Fishy to have a place where we can debate and share views, even if some views diverge from ours? FFS we are all Town aren't we?
And I would counter that by saying despite your assertion the fishy is a place for debate and differences of opinion, there is this phrase "being shot down" that creeps into the narrative. It usually comes from those with a minority view when their opinions are challenged by the majority. It's either a place for all opinions or it isn't. To claim some posters are "shot down" doesn't jibe with that. If you don't want your views challenged, don't make them. I also find it odd that people seem to want to know about all aspects of the club, from the accounts to the commercial department. We only ever used to bother about the team and the footy on the pitch. |
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Seems to me that there’s some misunderstanding. Go, or send in questions of a critical nature. Ask forensic questions. Scrutinise. Hold them to account. Discuss ambitions and expectations. When has anyone said that couldn’t be done? When have the owners implied they won’t participate in that? The inference from some on here was that the club would duck or filter difficult questions and various other gripes, although, it has to be said, there are a handful of contributors who are never happy, always complain, always imply there’s some sort of incompetent impropriety etc
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Sometimes wonder how they both got to be multi millionaires.
I think the general principal is to avoid spending more money than you make. 😉 Screening questions could be a positive step as opposed to a conspiracy....too many previous forums have wasted so much time on personal / self interest long winded questions from people who give their life story before eventually making a point or asking a question... " oh hello...yes thank you , I am Brian, supporter since 1948...blah blah...Shankly.....blah blah..1972....blah blah...Wembley 98....doing a great job.....blah blah....at a recent game I could only manage to get a restricted view in the main stand....now when I got to my seat there was a big pillar restricting my view....blah blah...now while I appreciate I bought said ticket as a restricted view ...blah blah...the pillar restricted where I could place my feet ...as it was only advertised as a restricted view could I have my money back ? |
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I think the general principal is to avoid spending more money than you make. 😉
Screening questions could be a positive step as opposed to a conspiracy....too many previous forums have wasted so much time on personal / self interest long winded questions from people who give their life story before eventually making a point or asking a question...
" oh hello...yes thank you , I am Brian, supporter since 1948...blah blah...Shankly.....blah blah..1972....blah blah...Wembley 98....doing a great job.....blah blah....at a recent game I could only manage to get a restricted view in the main stand....now when I got to my seat there was a big pillar restricting my view....blah blah...now while I appreciate I bought said ticket as a restricted view ...blah blah...the pillar restricted where I could place my feet ...as it was only advertised as a restricted view could I have my money back ?
I’d agree with this; countless hours at previous fans forums discussing flasks because Gerald doesn’t want to buy a coffee. Moaning about the size of a seat or, and it’s a favourite of mine, the discussion about food outlets at a stadium that was never going to exist…I clocked 24 minutes on that topic once… |
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And I would counter that by saying despite your assertion the fishy is a place for debate and differences of opinion, there is this phrase "being shot down" that creeps into the narrative.
It usually comes from those with a minority view when their opinions are challenged by the majority.
It's either a place for all opinions or it isn't. To claim some posters are "shot down" doesn't jibe with that. If you don't want your views challenged, don't make them.
I also find it odd that people seem to want to know about all aspects of the club, from the accounts to the commercial department. We only ever used to bother about the team and the footy on the pitch.
Problem starts when those who have a different view are referred to as ‘keyboard warriors’ as was the case in today’s interview. Is it odd to want to know what’s going on behind the scenes? I think you’ll find that forensic scrutiny happens at every club and in every business, stuff that gets into the public domain and stuff that people get told. It’s up to individuals how they process that information and how much credibility they give it. |
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Some posters believe that being critical of anything 1878 do is being pro-Fenty. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
The interview with Jason today was great, he spoke knowledgeably about the pitch being 100 years old and ideally needing £1m spending on it but the long-term strategy of the club needs deciding first which I don't think anyone can argue with.
He was also asked about the commercial performance and admitted it wasn't very good so it's great to hear our owner doesn't have his head in the sand.
I haven't listened to his interview but if he said the pitch is 100 years old is a bit of a daft comment and probably an excuse for the recent state of the pitch. The ground is obviously a hundred years old but the grass has been changed. The groundsman had won at least one award for the state of the pitch not that many seasons ago, also I am sure the top surface was removed and reseeded because the club kept putting out videos of tractors stripping it off. For me the pitch has got worse since the drainage was put in as well as sprinklers. |
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I haven't listened to his interview but if he said the pitch is 100 years old is a bit of a daft comment and probably an excuse for the recent state of the pitch.
The ground is obviously a hundred years old but the grass has been changed. The groundsman had won at least one award for the state of the pitch not that many seasons ago, also I am sure the top surface was removed and reseeded because the club kept putting out videos of tractors stripping it off.
For me the pitch has got worse since the drainage was put in as well as sprinklers.
Global Warming is the problem with the pitch. It's too hot Too Cold Too wet Too dry Plus who built that dirty great big stand keeping the sun off that side of the pitch. |
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I didn’t notice the new Head of Commercial this afternoon when I was upstairs in Mcmenemy’s…is she the latest on the dispatch list?
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I didn’t notice the new Head of Commercial this afternoon when I was upstairs in Mcmenemy’s…is she the latest on the dispatch list?
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There was a question from Matt Dean that made me wonder if something was afoot.
What was asked? I’ve not heard Matt’s interview? Cheers! |
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I haven't listened to his interview but if he said the pitch is 100 years old is a bit of a daft comment and probably an excuse for the recent state of the pitch.
The ground is obviously a hundred years old but the grass has been changed. The groundsman had won at least one award for the state of the pitch not that many seasons ago, also I am sure the top surface was removed and reseeded because the club kept putting out videos of tractors stripping it off.
For me the pitch has got worse since the drainage was put in as well as sprinklers.
A bit of grass and a couple of inches of soil doesn't equal a new pitch. Below that is 140 year old clay and it's well documented that the pitch ideally needs an absolute fortune spending on it. |
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What was asked? I’ve not heard Matt’s interview? Cheers!
Something along the lines of ‘Is there anything else going on behind the scenes at present?” Given what you’ve said and another private message I’ve received today, it would certainly not surprise me if you were right. |
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Ive sent 4 emails to the commercial manager regarding hospitality for an upcoming game. Heard nothing.
I chased the club due to being locked out my ticket account. Heard nothing.
Used to have correspondence with Sam who was excellent and always sorted me out quickly and without a fuss
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A bit of grass and a couple of inches of soil doesn't equal a new pitch. Below that is 140 year old clay and it's well documented that the pitch ideally needs an absolute fortune spending on it.
Some nonesense being talked about the pitch .The clay below the surface is 33000 years old when the last ice age deposited it not 100/140 . It hasn’t suddenly made the pitch worse in the last decade. |
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Ive sent 4 emails to the commercial manager regarding hospitality for an upcoming game. Heard nothing.
I chased the club due to being locked out my ticket account. Heard nothing.
Used to have correspondence with Sam who was excellent and always sorted me out quickly and without a fuss
Something very similar happened to me with tickets a week or so back. Any time I contacted Sam, he responded within the working day, often within minutes. |
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It's amazing to me how much criticism the new owners get because "they don't do things the way they've always been done and with the same people".
Sometimes wonder how they both got to be multi millionaires.
Are they multi millionaires ? |
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Are they multi millionaires ?
Given that they've paid out multiple millions to buy and then invest in the club, you'd imagine so. Might have a really, really good credit card deal, I suppose, but that seems to be the less likely option. |
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And I would counter that by saying despite your assertion the fishy is a place for debate and differences of opinion, there is this phrase "being shot down" that creeps into the narrative.
It usually comes from those with a minority view when their opinions are challenged by the majority.
It's either a place for all opinions or it isn't. To claim some posters are "shot down" doesn't jibe with that. If you don't want your views challenged, don't make them.
I also find it odd that people seem to want to know about all aspects of the club, from the accounts to the commercial department. We only ever used to bother about the team and the footy on the pitch.
Not sure that's true, and if the football wasn't urine poor then I suspect the other issues wouldn't be so scrutinised. |
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Once football fans get in to the habit of moaning, they generally moan about everything.
GTFC seem to have w larger collection, for the size of the club of giant man babies who spit their dummies out much quicker and for weird stuff. It may not be true but it feels that way…I don’t know many clubs who’d have a course group of idiots that want a manager sacked mid playoff campaign for instance…
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Once football fans get in to the habit of moaning, they generally moan about everything.
GTFC seem to have w larger collection, for the size of the club of giant man babies who spit their dummies out much quicker and for weird stuff. It may not be true but it feels that way…I don’t know many clubs who’d have a course group of idiots that want a manager sacked mid playoff campaign for instance…
I would say that this forum is characterised by a hard core disproportionately voluble group who engage in toxic positivity except when they are critisicing the views of those who don’t conform with their mindset. |
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I would say that this forum is characterised by a hard core disproportionately voluble group who engage in toxic positivity except when they are critiscing the views of those who don’t conform with their mindset.
Perhaps some just have a positive outlook, perhaps they choose not to join the cesspit of despair we find on here after any sort of poor performance? I’d say, to be honest, the biggest issue along our fans was the notion of ‘settling’ over the last 20 years, just accepting nothingness, had that not happened it may never have gotten as bad as it did… |
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Once football fans get in to the habit of moaning, they generally moan about everything.
GTFC seem to have w larger collection, for the size of the club of giant man babies who spit their dummies out much quicker and for weird stuff. It may not be true but it feels that way…I don’t know many clubs who’d have a course group of idiots that want a manager sacked mid playoff campaign for instance…
I think most clubs supporters are reactive but there’s a reaction to a bad result and then there’s complete over reaction at the moment the stage by stage process on here looks like… 1. Vent absolute bile 2. Hurst is dour & must go now 3 Blame Efete 4. Hurst is lazy & tight we know this because we don’t have a credible number 9. 5. Compare the football to the Buckley years 6. Blame Hurst again for not training the players properly 7 Start bashing the owners again - no new ground 8 Admin staff conspiracy theory 9 Moan about scotch eggs 10 Predictions thread for the next game. The order of the process might be slightly different but in principle you see it every week, even if we win posters spend hours looking for or creating some form of issue to have a pop at people who are trying to be successful in a challenging scenario. I’ve said it before there is something in the make up of (some) people from Grimsby that begrudges success or anyone giving things a go. I have some news for some of you and it’s going to hurt….. the Fishy does not represent the opinions of our whole supporter base, some of you may want to sit down after that bombshell to your belief system. |
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May be they’ve binned her off?
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Maybe we will get a new one who isn’t a mate of the CEO
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A family member worked alongside her in her previous role and was amazed that she got the job in the first place.
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https://twitter.com/mattdeanbbc/status/1617096547413401600?s=46&t=h6kvLKYfUeVnVjjaamdnewNot looking for a replacement apparently? So Jason admits the commercial department isn’t working well, but they don’t replace the Head? Makes complete sense…
They may have a ready made replacement. We didn't advertise the role last time and Debbie hired her mate so if we are bringing someone in, hopefully we get someone with the necessary football experience. |
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They may have a ready made replacement. We didn't advertise the role last time and Debbie hired her mate so if we are bringing someone in, hopefully we get someone with the necessary football experience.
It was advertised but she still hired her mate anyway |
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It was advertised but she still hired her mate anyway
Nothing wrong with that if they're good. |
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Nothing wrong with that if they're good.
And that’s the point…evidently she wasn’t. |
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They may have a ready made replacement. We didn't advertise the role last time and Debbie hired her mate so if we are bringing someone in, hopefully we get someone with the necessary football experience.
You may have been labelled a Fishy moaner for highlighting some concerns around the commercial operation but unless the club gets feedback it can't develop and improve. It appears that yourself and others contacted the club in a professional and discreet manner seeking to raise awareness. The lack of a response to some emails etc. would be a red flag in any business. Anyone who sounds off on a forum without using proper channels is more likely to be called a moaner of course. |
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They may have a ready made replacement. We didn't advertise the role last time and Debbie hired her mate so if we are bringing someone in, hopefully we get someone with the necessary football experience.
Do you need football experience or commercial experience and the ability to build equitable relationships. The late great Alec King didn’t play professional football. |
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Do you need football experience or commercial experience and the ability to build equitable relationships.
The late great Alec King didn’t play professional football.
I think it was easy to underestimate/take for granted the great work Dave Smith did. I don’t know Jo Taylor so wouldn’t know how she works but would suggest that they were pretty big shoes to fill. |
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Do you need football experience or commercial experience and the ability to build equitable relationships.
The late great Alec King didn’t play professional football.
At the end of the day, you employ footballers to play, managers to manage and people with good commercial experience to fill the coffers. I don't know the lady but obviously, she wasn't any of those three. |
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Do you need football experience or commercial experience and the ability to build equitable relationships.
The late great Alec King didn’t play professional football.
I think you need somebody with commercial football experience within the commercial team. We've poached a few people from Lincoln on the football side but one thing they've done well in recent years is tap in to the towns and villages around Louth; areas that were traditionally black and white when I was growing up. |
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Like it or not most small successful local businesses who want to engage with the football club are run by over 50 year old males who want to do it because they like football and can entertain their customers in an environment they are comfortable with. Dave Smith seemed the perfect fit for that .
If the owners see commercial opportunities in a different direction then good luck to them but throwing the baby out with the bath water isn’t a good start.
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Nothing wrong with that if they're good.
Agreed. And, the positive in all this is they’ve clearly listened and observed and acknowledged she isn’t. Pushed, sacked or simply resigned, either way she’s gone… |
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Didn't the chairman say something about still formulating their long term strategy?
I assume they won't commit to that, whatever it may be until they feel they have got the right people in place to carry it through so it may take longer than expected.
I hope there is a lot happening behind the scenes but things seem to have gone a bit off the boil on and off the pitch.
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Didn't the chairman say something about still formulating their long term strategy?
I assume they won't commit to that, whatever it may be until they feel they have got the right people in place to carry it through so it may take longer than expected.
I hope there is a lot happening behind the scenes but things seem to have gone a bit off the boil on and off the pitch.
I think that there's a bit of a reality check going on from all sides. Let's face it, the first 16/17 months of the new owners couldn't have gone much better and that had to come to an end at some point. With regard to the commercial side, a lot of relationships had built up over a long time and, having done a few player kit sponsorships, I can honestly say that Dave Smith & Sam Strandt were a joy to deal with. You can't just expect to replace that in an instant. For all Fenty's failings (and there were several), he had some very good staff working for him. |
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I think you need somebody with commercial football experience within the commercial team.
We've poached a few people from Lincoln on the football side but one thing they've done well in recent years is tap in to the towns and villages around Louth; areas that were traditionally black and white when I was growing up.
Ideally I’d agree but as we’re a small club the role feels like it’s an entry level role (and if I recall salary) for someone with transferable skills & some experience or an ex player who’s been involved in or studying for a role prior to their playing career ending. I think that kind of role has more to it than just sweet talking SME’s into advertising and a coupe of match day sponsorships a season, if it isn’t it should be if we’re to generate any significant income in a tough socioeconomic environment. |
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I think that there's a bit of a reality check going on from all sides. Let's face it, the first 16/17 months of the new owners couldn't have gone much better and that had to come to an end at some point.
With regard to the commercial side, a lot of relationships had built up over a long time and, having done a few player kit sponsorships, I can honestly say that Dave Smith & Sam Strandt were a joy to deal with. You can't just expect to replace that in an instant. For all Fenty's failings (and there were several), he had some very good staff working for him.
I think you are right, but it is a fine line between taking stock and losing momentum. I think an upturn in player recruitment should calm any anxieties. I do agree about Dave Smith. A very amiable chap and a pleasure to do business with. |
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Ideally I’d agree but as we’re a small club the role feels like it’s an entry level role (and if I recall salary) for someone with transferable skills & some experience or an ex player who’s been involved in or studying for a role prior to their playing career ending.
I think that kind of role has more to it than just sweet talking SME’s into advertising and a coupe of match day sponsorships a season, if it isn’t it should be if we’re to generate any significant income in a tough socioeconomic environment.
I think an ex player can offer the kind of insight the corporate customers want but then we also need to rename our two tiered stand which isn't likely to go to the kind of firms you sell advertising boards and a box to. Maybe the high end sponsorship deals need to fall under the remit of the board whilst the commercial team focus on the lower value sponsorships? |
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I think an ex player can offer the kind of insight the corporate customers want but then we also need to rename our two tiered stand which isn't likely to go to the kind of firms you sell advertising boards and a box to.
Maybe the high end sponsorship deals need to fall under the remit of the board whilst the commercial team focus on the lower value sponsorships?
Yes it's the board with the high end business contacts and I would expect them to do the big deals when they are ready. |
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I think an ex player can offer the kind of insight the corporate customers want but then we also need to rename our two tiered stand which isn't likely to go to the kind of firms you sell advertising boards and a box to.
Maybe the high end sponsorship deals need to fall under the remit of the board whilst the commercial team focus on the lower value sponsorships?
Agree, I think there is a thing here about you get what you pay for. Really capable people come at a price I’m not sure we’re prepared to pay for that. |
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I think it’s a genuine discussion to have and unlike previously, I suspect that Stockwood and Pettit will hold people to account. Under the old regime I’m not so sure it mattered whether you were any good at your job because Fenty did whatever Fenty wanted…
That said, credit to Smudge and Sam because they always did their job impeccably and with a genuine willingness to succeed.
I’ve no issue with people bringing in friends or former colleagues, Christ, it’s football, that’s literally how the managerial merry go round works, but, if those people don’t work or have impact it’s how you deal with that. In this case it’s clear the club have dealt with it as swiftly as they possibly can.
The club was a million miles away off the pitch and that will take time to change and whilst 1878 are probably used to quick and worthwhile impact, perhaps that’s not as simple in football.
We’re a tinpot club, fact, we could be more but the disparity in football is ever increasing, simply existing, competing on a level and having s good season here and there is likely for clubs like ours, that doesn’t mean you can’t be ambitious. What the role needs is someone who connects with the fans, local businesses but also has the drive and determination to attract those bigger sponsors and clients. Perhaps the role was bigger than the outgoing person? Perhaps they are operating differently to how the club is and needs to? Who knows, they’ve gone and the club continues to evolve.
We know that people see football clubs as an opportunity to enhance once’s standing or status, perhaps some of this came in to play?
Or, and there’s logic behind this thinking, the club had someone in place that could do that job and was so why spend money on a role if someone else is doing it anyway?
I’ve never advocated for roles in the upper echelons of clubs to go to fans, we’re too invested and sometimes would make the wrong decisions based on our unconditional love for the club, however, some understanding of the local landscape and an idea of what the fans want could be extremely beneficial to this role…
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Agree, I think there is a thing here about you get what you pay for. Really capable people come at a price I’m not sure we’re prepared to pay for that.
I’m not sure that the outgoing employee was at entry level money. She had been at the top end of e-Factor and Business Hive. But that’s a completely different type of operation. |
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I think it’s a genuine discussion to have and unlike previously, I suspect that Stockwood and Pettit will hold people to account. Under the old regime I’m not so sure it mattered whether you were any good at your job because Fenty did whatever Fenty wanted…
That said, credit to Smudge and Sam because they always did their job impeccably and with a genuine willingness to succeed.
I’ve no issue with people bringing in friends or former colleagues, Christ, it’s football, that’s literally how the managerial merry go round works, but, if those people don’t work or have impact it’s how you deal with that. In this case it’s clear the club have dealt with it as swiftly as they possibly can.
The club was a million miles away off the pitch and that will take time to change and whilst 1878 are probably used to quick and worthwhile impact, perhaps that’s not as simple in football.
We’re a tinpot club, fact, we could be more but the disparity in football is ever increasing, simply existing, competing on a level and having s good season here and there is likely for clubs like ours, that doesn’t mean you can’t be ambitious. What the role needs is someone who connects with the fans, local businesses but also has the drive and determination to attract those bigger sponsors and clients. Perhaps the role was bigger than the outgoing person? Perhaps they are operating differently to how the club is and needs to? Who knows, they’ve gone and the club continues to evolve.
We know that people see football clubs as an opportunity to enhance once’s standing or status, perhaps some of this came in to play?
Or, and there’s logic behind this thinking, the club had someone in place that could do that job and was so why spend money on a role if someone else is doing it anyway?
I’ve never advocated for roles in the upper echelons of clubs to go to fans, we’re too invested and sometimes would make the wrong decisions based on our unconditional love for the club, however, some understanding of the local landscape and an idea of what the fans want could be extremely beneficial to this role…
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I think it’s a genuine discussion to have and unlike previously, I suspect that Stockwood and Pettit will hold people to account. Under the old regime I’m not so sure it mattered whether you were any good at your job because Fenty did whatever Fenty wanted…
That said, credit to Smudge and Sam because they always did their job impeccably and with a genuine willingness to succeed.
I’ve no issue with people bringing in friends or former colleagues, Christ, it’s football, that’s literally how the managerial merry go round works, but, if those people don’t work or have impact it’s how you deal with that. In this case it’s clear the club have dealt with it as swiftly as they possibly can.
The club was a million miles away off the pitch and that will take time to change and whilst 1878 are probably used to quick and worthwhile impact, perhaps that’s not as simple in football.
We’re a tinpot club, fact, we could be more but the disparity in football is ever increasing, simply existing, competing on a level and having s good season here and there is likely for clubs like ours, that doesn’t mean you can’t be ambitious. What the role needs is someone who connects with the fans, local businesses but also has the drive and determination to attract those bigger sponsors and clients. Perhaps the role was bigger than the outgoing person? Perhaps they are operating differently to how the club is and needs to? Who knows, they’ve gone and the club continues to evolve.
We know that people see football clubs as an opportunity to enhance once’s standing or status, perhaps some of this came in to play?
Or, and there’s logic behind this thinking, the club had someone in place that could do that job and was so why spend money on a role if someone else is doing it anyway?
I’ve never advocated for roles in the upper echelons of clubs to go to fans, we’re too invested and sometimes would make the wrong decisions based on our unconditional love for the club, however, some understanding of the local landscape and an idea of what the fans want could be extremely beneficial to this role…
Totally agree - though I've seen some on here suggest that off the field matters aren't important to fans. I personally think they are. Sponsorship deals, naming rights, everything down to mascot packages and McMenemy's bring revenue to the club and impact on the playing budget which then impacts on onfield success. |
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Totally agree - though I've seen some on here suggest that off the field matters aren't important to fans. I personally think they are. Sponsorship deals, naming rights, everything down to mascot packages and McMenemy's bring revenue to the club and impact on the playing budget which then impacts on onfield success.
I think the popularity of both Price of Football (or Prince of Football if you watch Look North) and Swiss Ramble suggest that interest in football is now far more than what happens on a Saturday afternoon. |
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Nothing wrong with that if they're good.
If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in. |
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If they’re no good at least they’re getting binned, which wasn’t the case under the old ownership. Can only be a positive.
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If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in.
Odd logic…plenty of professions where folk can demonstrate in previous roles or indeed, at interview that they’re decent but then turns out they’re not… |
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Odd logic…plenty of professions where folk can demonstrate in previous roles or indeed, at interview that they’re decent but then turns out they’re not…
If you recruit one of your mates into a senior role you have to be certain their good before doing so or you will look a chump. |
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If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in.
lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here |
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lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
That's not the point though. If you recommend somebody for a senior role and they turn out to be garbage, then it doesn't reflect well on your judgement of ability. Especially for somebody in an executive position |
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lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
Doh................yes I have worked in a situation where as a manager I was part of an interview panel that believed the bullshit from an interviewee who turned out to be crap but that is completely different to a senior member of the operations bringing in a mate probably without any interview process, and if you don't understand that then you clearly have never been in the position of employing anybody. |
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That's not the point though. If you recommend somebody for a senior role and they turn out to be garbage, then it doesn't reflect well on your judgement of ability. Especially for somebody in an executive position
The sad vendetta against Debbie Cook continues. Funny how you lot weren't calling for your mate Fenty's head when he employed a bunch of inept clowns for the best part of twenty years (my favourite was the one who set up loads of sockpuppet twitter accounts pretending to be 'students' to anonymously criticise the new owners and defend Fenty). If a flawless recruitment record is the standard we judge senior Grimsby Town employees by then we best get Hurst sacked asap since the club's employed plenty of garbage in the past based entirely on his judgement 🤪🙃🫠. |
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lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
I’m not sure that’s right, these days organisations tend to deal with poor performance whether it’s related to attitude, behaviours or competency. There’s nothing ruthless about exiting an under performer. In terms of recruitment I’ve recruited 100’s of people in my career and a fair few have been absolute donkeys regardless of coming through the process well. I’ve never recruited any friends but I have recruited people I’ve worked with in the past who are hard workers and align in terms of values, mostly it’s worked but there are a couple of times when it’s ended badly. |
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She was maybe still in a probation period too so possible to bin off easily due to that.
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Doh................yes I have worked in a situation where as a manager I was part of an interview panel that believed the bullshit from an interviewee who turned out to be crap but that is completely different to a senior member of the operations bringing in a mate probably without any interview process, and if you don't understand that then you clearly have never been in the position of employing anybody.
So YOU made a mistake but for some reason it’s worse when someone else does the exact same thing? Bizarre reasoning. |
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There is a statement in recruitment that everyone gets promoted to a level of incompetence and unfortunately until you get there you don’t know your level. Some managers survive by bullyin* tactics and blaming others some hold their hands up and say hey this is not for me and move back to a level that they loved but you can’t blame anyone for trying
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So YOU made a mistake but for some reason it’s worse when someone else does the exact same thing? Bizarre reasoning.
Oh for felicitations sake, just how flipping dumb are you? hiring someone you don't know is always a risk which is completely different to bringing a mate into a senior position and probably well paid one at that. |
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You need to calm down a bit, I wouldn’t be calling other people dumb if I’d just admitted to giving someone a job they couldn’t do 🙃
You seem to be insinuating her appointment was some shady back-office stitch up by Cook rather than a formal recruitment process advertised on the website and all the social media channels?
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You need to calm down a bit, I wouldn’t be calling other people dumb if I’d just admitted to giving someone a job they couldn’t do 🙃
You seem to be insinuating her appointment was some shady back-office stitch up by Cook rather than a formal recruitment process advertised on the website and all the social media channels?
Everything I’ve seen of Jason Stockwood I’d be amazed if some form of recruitment process wasn’t applied. |
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Everything I’ve seen of Jason Stockwood I’d be amazed if some form of recruitment process wasn’t applied.
Cook was headhunted, it wasn't an advertised position. You still would assume some form of process went in to headhunting her but it wasn't a position we were openly accepting applications for. |
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Cook was headhunted, it wasn't an advertised position. You still would assume some form of process went in to headhunting her but it wasn't a position we were openly accepting applications for.
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Currently doing my year end accounts if anyone wants to scrutinize them.
Don't worry. Nadim Zahawi underpaid a couple of million and it's ok apparently. Any problems just say you were careless. |
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Don't worry. Nadim Zahawi underpaid a couple of million and it's ok apparently. Any problems just say you were careless.
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I assume when Debbie Cook appointed “her mate” to this role she had confidence that her skills would be transferable and she would adapt to the world of professional football. Clearly this didn’t happen on this occasion but it doesn’t mean the CEO should be beaten with a stick over this. For anyone who has worked in management making poor appointments is something we’ve all suffered but the important factor is how quickly any mistake is rectified and it appears this one has been corrected reasonably quickly which is a positive so the club moves on.
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Hearing that the departure isn't necessarily attributed to performance in the role but more of a personal issue.
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Hearing that the departure isn't necessarily attributed to performance in the role but more of a personal issue.
Must be pure coincidence that it’s 6 months since she started 🤔 |
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Must be pure coincidence that it’s 6 months since she started 🤔
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Given that they've paid out multiple millions to buy and then invest in the club, you'd imagine so.
Might have a really, really good credit card deal, I suppose, but that seems to be the less likely option.
Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything |
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Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything
If it was only that simple I think you will find they put their own money in to buy his shares and only the other week they put 250,000 pound in to keep things ticking over. The money you said we have received from transfers or some of it is for Hursty to spend on players if he can find any who want to join us. |
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Being headhunted doesn’t mean they bypass formal processes, it may mean that the outcome is a forgone conclusion but processes still happen…
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Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything
Running a business is not all about income, there are the total expenses you have to pay as well. They also had to pay the wage bill for the last 18 months, improvements to BP and Cheapside plus all other running costs and put in a further £250k to keep the club going. |
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Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything
I mean, you probably need to do a bit of research in to running a business and buying a business but, you may make a valid point, they’re obviously clever and shrewd if they’ve managed to buy a club, turn it around and get promoted within 18months and spent zero pounds… Not sure how you’re turning any of what you’ve said in to a negative…weird… |
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Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything
Fenty just handed his majority shareholding (including the ones he bullied the Trust into 'donating' to him) over for free did he? |
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Have they paid multiple millions to buy the club .There was allegedly £400,000 in the bank when they took over .Since then we have had the 160,000 for Ben grist ,240,000 for Mattie Pollock ,sell on money for dembele ,mcatee transfer money ,record season ticket sales and almost 1 million for promotion and about 300,000 for the FA cup run .All of which easily covered the money owed to Fenty .So looking at that buying the club has not cost them anything
I think they purchased over £1m in shares. Had they walked in the door a month later I doubt the bank balance would have been £400k but they also committed to cover the £1.5m loan over 3 years. Transfer income took care of most of it but they still had to commit it. When you consider what Swann is holding out for at Scunny, 1878 got a very good deal but I still don't think a potential £2.5m (£2.1m if you deduct the bank balance) outlay is great value for a club on it's backside with outdated facilities. |
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I think they purchased over £1m in shares. Had they walked in the door a month later I doubt the bank balance would have been £400k but they also committed to cover the £1.5m loan over 3 years. Transfer income took care of most of it but they still had to commit it.
When you consider what Swann is holding out for at Scunny, 1878 got a very good deal but I still don't think a potential £2.5m (£2.1m if you deduct the bank balance) outlay is great value for a club on it's backside with outdated facilities.
Though the bank balance may have been £400k and to you and me that is and sounds a lot in terms of incom streams and costs I wonder what the break even figure was. |
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Though the bank balance may have been £400k and to you and me that is and sounds a lot in terms of incom streams and costs I wonder what the break even figure was.
I imagine income is pretty minimal during May and June. For simple maths, a £1.2m wage bill is £200k of expenditure during that period. You would imagine any work done would be invoiced on terms of 30-60 days so that wouldn't necessarily be paid until the income starts rolling back in but bills from March and April would still need paying. |
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I imagine income is pretty minimal during May and June. For simple maths, a £1.2m wage bill is £200k of expenditure during that period. You would imagine any work done would be invoiced on terms of 30-60 days so that wouldn't necessarily be paid until the income starts rolling back in but bills from March and April would still need paying.
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4m acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment would be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4 acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment woukd be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
I'm not condoning it but maybe they are riding out the transfer window before submitting the accounts in case the information weakens our negotiating position? |
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4 acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment woukd be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
All good questions to ask at the fans forum, I hope you get your answers. All I know is that the club received a £165K grant from the Premier League Stadium Fund in April 2022, which was probably used for some of the infrastructure improvements made in the summer. Here are some of the things that this grant can be used for which likely applied to us: - Dugouts
- Pitch irrigation
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4 acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment woukd be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
What I know is that 2 non Arab/American men have done well in their lives. Grimsby born men. They've made a few quid and want to reinvest some of it in what was a downtrodden football club, our club and the local community. They didn't have to and what they have done is to give us hope. So why the bloody hell do some on here want to knock them down at any opportunity they can. It is possible that BP could have been a housing plot if May had been installed into the old regime. Let us not forget what is happening down the road when an owner, who seems to have no integrity is in charge. |
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4 acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment woukd be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
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Some posters believe that being critical of anything 1878 do is being pro-Fenty. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
The interview with Jason today was great, he spoke knowledgeably about the pitch being 100 years old and ideally needing £1m spending on it but the long-term strategy of the club needs deciding first which I don't think anyone can argue with.
He was also asked about the commercial performance and admitted it wasn't very good so it's great to hear our owner doesn't have his head in the sand.
Any feedback yet on the new Commercial Manager Matt Disley. Presumambly he has taken over the Jo Taylor role? |
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Any feedback yet on the new Commercial Manager Matt Disley. Presumambly he has taken over the Jo Taylor role?
Wait and see I guess. He's not come from a football background but if he can get next season's kit to arrive in good time and sell a few advertising boards he will have done better than Jo. |
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Wait and see I guess. He's not come from a football background but if he can get next season's kit to arrive in good time and sell a few advertising boards he will have done better than Jo.
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from running a holiday camp to GTFC Commercial Manager is an interesting career swerve!
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When 1878 partners Limited file their first accounts at Companies House ( now two weeks overdue ) we will know what they invested into the club . Facts we already know are that they spent £1.4m acquiring shares in Grimsby Town Football Club Ltd from various share holders including Fenty and stopped when they reached around 75% ownership. We know there was £750 k cash in the bank in the football club not £400k . We know that they haven’t injected any money into the club as equity despite Jason saying early on all investment would be equity not loans for sustainability . We don’t know yet know what 1878 Partners Limited has injected as loans to cover payments to Fenty ,infrastructure or operational cash flow or if all this was covered by cash inflow from the various transfers, the initial cash they inherited and income . The accounts will provide an insight into that. Why they are choosing not to file the accounts on time a criminal offence for directors and resulting in automatic fines for the company is also an unknown.
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Lots of pressing questions on the burning issues in here; looking forward to hearing them all raised at tonight’s forum, chaired by John Tondeur.
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Does anyone know how we listen to it tonight?
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Does anyone know how we listen to it tonight?
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