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I think it’s a genuine discussion to have and unlike previously, I suspect that Stockwood and Pettit will hold people to account. Under the old regime I’m not so sure it mattered whether you were any good at your job because Fenty did whatever Fenty wanted…
That said, credit to Smudge and Sam because they always did their job impeccably and with a genuine willingness to succeed.
I’ve no issue with people bringing in friends or former colleagues, Christ, it’s football, that’s literally how the managerial merry go round works, but, if those people don’t work or have impact it’s how you deal with that. In this case it’s clear the club have dealt with it as swiftly as they possibly can.
The club was a million miles away off the pitch and that will take time to change and whilst 1878 are probably used to quick and worthwhile impact, perhaps that’s not as simple in football.
We’re a tinpot club, fact, we could be more but the disparity in football is ever increasing, simply existing, competing on a level and having s good season here and there is likely for clubs like ours, that doesn’t mean you can’t be ambitious. What the role needs is someone who connects with the fans, local businesses but also has the drive and determination to attract those bigger sponsors and clients. Perhaps the role was bigger than the outgoing person? Perhaps they are operating differently to how the club is and needs to? Who knows, they’ve gone and the club continues to evolve.
We know that people see football clubs as an opportunity to enhance once’s standing or status, perhaps some of this came in to play?
Or, and there’s logic behind this thinking, the club had someone in place that could do that job and was so why spend money on a role if someone else is doing it anyway?
I’ve never advocated for roles in the upper echelons of clubs to go to fans, we’re too invested and sometimes would make the wrong decisions based on our unconditional love for the club, however, some understanding of the local landscape and an idea of what the fans want could be extremely beneficial to this role…
100% this. 👍
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I think it’s a genuine discussion to have and unlike previously, I suspect that Stockwood and Pettit will hold people to account. Under the old regime I’m not so sure it mattered whether you were any good at your job because Fenty did whatever Fenty wanted…
That said, credit to Smudge and Sam because they always did their job impeccably and with a genuine willingness to succeed.
I’ve no issue with people bringing in friends or former colleagues, Christ, it’s football, that’s literally how the managerial merry go round works, but, if those people don’t work or have impact it’s how you deal with that. In this case it’s clear the club have dealt with it as swiftly as they possibly can.
The club was a million miles away off the pitch and that will take time to change and whilst 1878 are probably used to quick and worthwhile impact, perhaps that’s not as simple in football.
We’re a tinpot club, fact, we could be more but the disparity in football is ever increasing, simply existing, competing on a level and having s good season here and there is likely for clubs like ours, that doesn’t mean you can’t be ambitious. What the role needs is someone who connects with the fans, local businesses but also has the drive and determination to attract those bigger sponsors and clients. Perhaps the role was bigger than the outgoing person? Perhaps they are operating differently to how the club is and needs to? Who knows, they’ve gone and the club continues to evolve.
We know that people see football clubs as an opportunity to enhance once’s standing or status, perhaps some of this came in to play?
Or, and there’s logic behind this thinking, the club had someone in place that could do that job and was so why spend money on a role if someone else is doing it anyway?
I’ve never advocated for roles in the upper echelons of clubs to go to fans, we’re too invested and sometimes would make the wrong decisions based on our unconditional love for the club, however, some understanding of the local landscape and an idea of what the fans want could be extremely beneficial to this role…
Totally agree - though I've seen some on here suggest that off the field matters aren't important to fans. I personally think they are. Sponsorship deals, naming rights, everything down to mascot packages and McMenemy's bring revenue to the club and impact on the playing budget which then impacts on onfield success.
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Totally agree - though I've seen some on here suggest that off the field matters aren't important to fans. I personally think they are. Sponsorship deals, naming rights, everything down to mascot packages and McMenemy's bring revenue to the club and impact on the playing budget which then impacts on onfield success.
I think the popularity of both Price of Football (or Prince of Football if you watch Look North) and Swiss Ramble suggest that interest in football is now far more than what happens on a Saturday afternoon.
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Nothing wrong with that if they're good.
If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in.
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If they’re no good at least they’re getting binned, which wasn’t the case under the old ownership. Can only be a positive.
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If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in.
Odd logic…plenty of professions where folk can demonstrate in previous roles or indeed, at interview that they’re decent but then turns out they’re not…
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Odd logic…plenty of professions where folk can demonstrate in previous roles or indeed, at interview that they’re decent but then turns out they’re not…
If you recruit one of your mates into a senior role you have to be certain their good before doing so or you will look a chump.
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If they turned out crap at the job then it should reflect quite poorly on whoever brought them in.
lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
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lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
That's not the point though. If you recommend somebody for a senior role and they turn out to be garbage, then it doesn't reflect well on your judgement of ability. Especially for somebody in an executive position
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lol ffs have you never worked somewhere where you've thought "how on earth did this clown get employed here?" - it happens nearly everywhere, yet in most places they end up sticking around performing badly instead of being ruthlessly let go after a few months like the club have done here
Doh................yes I have worked in a situation where as a manager I was part of an interview panel that believed the bullshit from an interviewee who turned out to be crap but that is completely different to a senior member of the operations bringing in a mate probably without any interview process, and if you don't understand that then you clearly have never been in the position of employing anybody.
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