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smokey111
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Best post on the subject.



Why shouldn't governments be held accountable for ignoring advice?


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You mean like the "expert" who advised against the MMR vaccine because of a link to autism? The British population are now being affected by the advice of that disgraced and medically struck off "expert".


What point do you think you’re making? That one paper written by somebody else 22 years ago was falsified and therefore we should not listen to any medical advice ever again from anyone?


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What point do you think you’re making? That one paper written by somebody else 22 years ago was falsified and therefore we should not listen to any medical advice ever again from anyone?


intercourse it - I’m starting smoking. The doctors of 70 years ago did it themselves and said it was fine. If it’s good enough for them...
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Andrew Wakefield wasn't an expert. He was a doctor who developed a theory despite a lack of evidence and then fiddled his research to try and indicate he was onto something. Reports indicate that this may have been because he thought it was a good money earner.

An example of an obviously clever bloke (he was surgeon, I think?) with loose moral standards. He was never an expert in immunology/vaccines/autism.

The initial approach of our government went against the global consensus amongst experts as to how a pandemic should be dealt with. They've now done a 180 degree turnaround to follow what almost everybody else is doing. If they initially made the wrong choice, there will be thousands of additional deaths.

The only countries responding differently at present are Sweden and Japan. It will be interesting to see if their approach relying on personal responsibility can work out. I tend to doubt it because, however sensible the majority are there are inevitably a lot of arseholes around.


The last bit is an interesting point, I’m sure Japan and Sweden have their fair share of arseholes but equally, countries they seem to take personal responsibility much more seriously than others so perhaps it may work there.

For me, all this has done has highlight that from top to bottom in our society there are some massive male masturbators...and unhygienic folk...



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What point do you think you’re making? That one paper written by somebody else 22 years ago was falsified and therefore we should not listen to any medical advice ever again from anyone?


The point I'm making, which I thought would be obvious to most people, is that a doctor produced a medical paper that was listened to by a lot of people. The fact that the data was flawed was irrelevant because Joe Public took heed of it because it was produced by a so called "expert" in that field. As a consequence the number of children innoculated for the MMR vaccine dropped dramatically. The effects of this are still being felt in the UK with the number of cases of Mumps, Rubella and particularly Measles are rising.
I'm not saying we should ignore any medical advice but you need to get a balanced view from several specialists before a decision is taken.


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Dominic Cummings self-isolates after showing coronavirus symptoms.


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  . He has only been in power for a few short months so should he be taking the blame. .


He wanted the job (and even stabbed his mate Cameron in the back over the bloody referendum to ensure he got it) With the job goes the responsibility (and the blame)



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In the GET of 27th March there was an article about pandemic preparedness in the world. It qouted figures that emerged in November 2019 by the Global Health Security Index. It emerged that most countries in the world were not prepared for a globally catastrophic biological event, which included pandemics. Surprisingly the UK was one of only 13 countries to achieve the highest scores "for their ability to prevent the emergence or release of pathogens" and was ranked 1st in the EU and 10th globally .The UK received the top score in the world for Rapid Response, which measured the ability of a country to rapidly respond to and mitigate the spread of an epidemic.
However, the UK was not considered to be one of the most prepared when it came to it's Health System, ranking 11th globally.


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The point I'm making, which I thought would be obvious to most people, is that a doctor produced a medical paper that was listened to by a lot of people. The fact that the data was flawed was irrelevant because Joe Public took heed of it because it was produced by a so called "expert" in that field.


Wakefield wasn't an expert in that field. He was (according to Wikipedia) a gastroenterologist. Not a specialist in vaccines or autism. His paper was published on the basis of his 'research' which he fiddled to make the results say what he wanted. It shouldn't have been published in the first place really, but you can't blame the Lancet too much - why would a doctor falsify evidence in such a manner? You'd normally assume that the Hippocratic oath meant something.

Once it had been published, it was picked up and promoted by the Mail (unsurprisingly) and it ballooned from there, leading directly to deaths and disabilities for children. Their columnists were still promoting the story long after he'd been found out.
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The last bit is an interesting point, I’m sure Japan and Sweden have their fair share of arseholes but equally, countries they seem to take personal responsibility much more seriously than others so perhaps it may work there.

For me, all this has done has highlight that from top to bottom in our society there are some massive male masturbators...and unhygienic folk...


Japan have reported  a spike in the virus which begs the question as to whether they were under-reporting it due to trying to keep the Olympic 2020 dream alive, now that it's postponed, we may be getting more accurate figures. The point is that governments do opposite things for various reasons, Belarus and Nicaragua carrying on business as normal so that the coffers remain filled for their respective "leaders".


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