Coronavirus

We don't (and won't) have enough ventilators. Ignoring any opportunity to get some more of them and save lives is just foolish. Not saying that there will definitely be any more available through the EU scheme, but they've got more financial and political muscle to source them than we have. The Dyson and other schemes seem to me to be mostly window-dressing. We'll need the ventilators most of all long before any (or many) can be manufactured.

I've read that most on ventilation with this illness need to be on the machines between 2 and 3 weeks to be able to survive. You can see how we're going to be swamped at the peak of the pandemic with this in mind.

Where Italy and Spain go, we follow as we're still on a similar curve, just at a different stage. That's the fear.

Quoted from Maringer

We don't (and won't) have enough ventilators. Ignoring any opportunity to get some more of them and save lives is just foolish. Not saying that there will definitely be any more available through the EU scheme, but they've got more financial and political muscle to source them than we have. The Dyson and other schemes seem to me to be mostly window-dressing. We'll need the ventilators most of all long before any (or many) can be manufactured.

I've read that most on ventilation with this illness need to be on the machines between 2 and 3 weeks to be able to survive. You can see how we're going to be swamped at the peak of the pandemic with this in mind.

Where Italy and Spain go, we follow as we're still on a similar curve, just at a different stage. That's the fear.

It surely can’t be that difficult to manufacture PPE quickly (although it would have been easier to do so 5-6 weeks ago).

Vents are a different matter and you need a large team for each patient / vent anyway. Often the vents are just prolonging the deaths in at least 25% of cases. But if you don’t protect NHS and social care providers to keep them operational, the crisis soon escalates.

The government can shift as much blame as they want to China (that appears to be the new government policy - if you can’t pin it on the Polish plumbers, might as well find another scapegoat) but, as I have said before, I would love to find out what was being done to prepare in the UK during the immediate aftermath of the containment in Lombardy / Veneto failing. The kitchen sink should have been thrown at preparation for this crisis then. That’s not with the benefit of hindsight. It was obvious at 23 Feb.

Maybe they did try but realised that we didn’t have the resources to prepare, which doesn’t bode well for our future independence!

We had a three week headstart in this race and it feels like we are already feeling the hot breath of the stocky, steroided, East German woman on the back of our necks.

Due to social distancing, Scunthorpe United have said that Glanford Park can be used as an emergency hospital.




Including match days. 😉


Stay at home. UTM

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

It surely can’t be that difficult to manufacture PPE quickly (although it would have been easier to do so 5-6 weeks ago).

Vents are a different matter and you need a large team for each patient / vent anyway. Often the vents are just prolonging the deaths in at least 25% of cases. But if you don’t protect NHS and social care providers to keep them operational, the crisis soon escalates.

The government can shift as much blame as they want to China (that appears to be the new government policy - if you can’t pin it on the Polish plumbers, might as well find another scapegoat) but, as I have said before, I would love to find out what was being done to prepare in the UK during the immediate aftermath of the containment in Lombardy / Veneto failing. The kitchen sink should have been thrown at preparation for this crisis then. That’s not with the benefit of hindsight. It was obvious at 23 Feb.

Maybe they did try but realised that we didn’t have the resources to prepare, which doesn’t bode well for our future independence!

We had a three week headstart in this race and it feels like we are already feeling the hot breath of the stocky, steroided, East German woman on the back of our necks.

https://www.theguardian.com/po.....properly-implemented

Quoted from KingstonMariner

https://www.theguardian.com/po.....properly-implemented

That’s where we went wrong.
If only we’d put the editor of the Guardian in charge there’d be no deaths no illness, and we’d all be millionaires.

Quoted from Civvy at last

That’s where we went wrong.
If only we’d put the editor of the Guardian in charge there’d be no deaths no illness, and we’d all be millionaires.

Flippant and, once again, refusing to engage in a sensible debate when confronted by facts.

Quoted from smokey111

Flippant and, once again, refusing to engage in a sensible debate when confronted by facts.

Can’t have a sensible debate with the likes of you.
I guess the Guardian is facts. But the Mail is right wing propaganda.

If we are in a war with Coronavirus then the Guardian is Lord Haw Haw.  

Quoted from Civvy at last

That’s where we went wrong.
If only we’d put the editor of the Guardian in charge there’d be no deaths no illness, and we’d all be millionaires.

To be fair, if Viner was in charge, there would have been decreasing levels of flights and globalisation. The virus would have spread at a slower rate.

Everybody over the age of eleven would have been allocated an allotment and developed a level of self-sufficiency. There would have been no panic emptying of the supermarket shelves because society would have had enough parsnip soup stored to see them through spring into summer.

Hessian trousers would be de rigueur. The airy design would have reduced fabric contamination of the virus.

Wealth would no longer be measured by money so a millionaire would no longer exist. Wealth would be measured by marrow length in the community allotment competition.

So things would have been different if Viner was in charge. For better, for worse.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Can’t have a sensible debate with the likes of you.
I guess the Guardian is facts. But the Mail is right wing propaganda.

If we are in a war with Coronavirus then the Guardian is Lord Haw Haw.  

Read the article and the sources quoted. Former government advisors, leading scientists even The Daily Telegraph. Clap for Boris? Don't know how he could look any NHS worker straight in the eye.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Can’t have a sensible debate with the likes of you.
I guess the Guardian is facts. But the Mail is right wing propaganda.

If we are in a war with Coronavirus then the Guardian is Lord Haw Haw.  

The article gives the opinion of someone who worked for seven years in devising the strategy for a pandemic outbreak. It's only that bloke's opinion but he's probably got a more valid opinion on these things than the vast majority of the population given that he's an expert.