Can we talk about contracts now?

Quoted from Pouton4ever

This is though in part something I don't get about some posters assertions that the club pays for its self and you don't need someone with money to be there- how on earth do you sign players- even with installments there has to be some money to pay those and further more there's signing fees for players, agent fees etc etc

There should be a bit of cash floating around from all the increased home gates in the last few weeks. I'm only guessing but looking at the attendances the gates must be at least 1000 over budget since MJ arrived.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There should be a bit of cash floating around from all the increased home gates in the last few weeks. I'm only guessing but looking at the attendances the gates must be at least 1000 over budget since MJ arrived.

Doesnt that just fill in the hole made from the low gates when Slade was in charge?

Quoted from Pouton4ever

Doesnt that just fill in the hole made from the low gates when Slade was in charge?

Along with the savings made from getting rid of Osborne, Jones, Clements etc...

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Along with the savings made from getting rid of Osborne, Jones, Clements etc...

But of course with the oversized squad we all complained about that could have just about brought parity...

Quoted from Pouton4ever

But of course with the oversized squad we all complained about that could have just about brought parity...

I can think of others of lesser quality who could have been sacrificed.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I can think of others of lesser quality who could have been sacrificed.

Sacrifcied to where? If no one wanted them then its a case of paying off their wages for the remainder of the contract- is that helpful to cash flow? or is it just a big lump of cash that has to come from somewhere? What do we sacrifice in return for that?

For me, McKeown has to stay, I'd give him a 3-year contract with a big pay rise in order to make him feel wanted by the club. I'd also keep Killip as I don't see us getting a better reserve keeper, and I suspect he's cheap. Obviously send Kean back to Wednesday.

I'd keep Mills and RHJ but not Davies. Mills is versatile, he can play right back and on the right of a three-man central defence, he also did pretty well at left back at Carlisle. RHJ is also more athletic than any of our full backs and can also deliver a good cross, which is valuable weapon. His throw ins need work and his defensive play is ok but I'm hopeful it would improve. Bendy will be 37 next month and he seems to have struggled to get any consistent game time in the 2nd half of the season due to injuries, feel it could be one season too many. Collins is a real 50/50. If we were to retain, which I wouldn't be against, then we need someone more athletic next to him and a better shield from midfield, he'd prosper in that I'd imagine but Jolley needs to be sure he can get this before retaining I feel. I'd release Clarke, although he's improved recently, some of the stuff he produced before that was dire and that cannot be discounted. Osborne is a no-brainer to release as he's barely played and has dished up some performances equally as poor as Clarke when he has played. Suliman should be sent back as he didn't seem to have the physicality to play lower league football, that seems harsh but I’m basing this on about 60 minutes against Vale and there must be a reason he hasn’t played. Fox has improved with game time and he's much better than Dixon in every respect so I'd offer a new deal. I'd try and offload Dixon as he's allegedly a big earner and whenever he's played he's looked very suspect defensively and carries no threat going forward.

I'd offer Summerfield a 1-year deal with an option considering he's now 30 and I'm not certain that his high-intensity style can be maintained for 2 years, hence the caution of a 1+1 deal. I'd release Berrett, fallen completely out of favour and is very limited, we need better. Rose is contracted and I'd keep but as a backup. The last few weeks where he's scored a few penalties don't disguise that his touch remains very poor, his fitness lacking and can barely pass wind. So, in all honesty I'd try and ship him out. Clements and McAllister both go, they're as certain to go as anybody. Both would be ok I feel but for one reason or another it hasn't worked out for either here. I'd give Clifton a 3-year deal and substantially increase his wages as he's been very good these last few weeks and should develop exponentially while playing every week in his position and with a good coaching manager at the helm. Woolford is an interesting one. He's looked a different player since Jolley moved him to play on the left of a three-man midfield, he'll be 33 next season but still maybe a good squad player, Rose could be the limiting factor here, if we can ship him out I'd keep him but if we can't, sorry Martyn but we can't have squad players filling the starting XI.

Dembele is one of the most frustrating footballers I've come across, he has absolutely no guile and doesn't actually have great pace, just excellent instant acceleration. His decision making, final ball and touch are often very poor. But you can see the potential and part of me thinks that with a decent manager (Jolley) and maybe starting 20 yards higher up the pitch in a better side he'd look much, much better. I'm quite torn but would lean towards releasing him due to his clear lack of heart and seeming want-away attitude since Christmas. I'd offload Kelly, been anonymous whenever I've seen him play, he jumps out of tackles and never looks like creating or scoring anything. I'd send Jaiyasimi back as he hasn't had game time and when he has played hasn't created anything. I'd release McSheffrey too. Hasn't offered a great deal when he's played and will be 36 soon. I'd give Wright a year and see what happens, has put in some impressive displays for Scarborough and I'd want to see is his alleged quick and direct style could be effective in the league. Hooper has been transformed by Jolley as a winger, most of the time has looked extremely threatening. If he could get a couple of goals early next season then I feel his confidence would soar and he'd be really dangerous in this league. It's all about confidence with him. He's contracted and would keep. Wilks will be sent back, has been persistently injured and has looked very raw when he's played.

Cardwell is contracted and works extremely hard but never looks like scoring, would keep as a squad player and see if he can develop more and add goals to his game. There's certainly something to work with. Vernon should be released, he's also very limited and the Cambridge fiasco did irreparable damage to him with the fans. Despite the elation he caused, Matt also shouldn't be offered a contract, his touch is dreadful and his hold-up isn't great for a big man. We need better. I'd try and sign Vernam on a season long loan as he looked excellent and very creative when he played, would definitely develop under the right management. I'd also send Jackson back. He's perennially injured and has scored only one goal when he's played as doesn't offer much more of a threat IMO. I'd give Ahkeem Rose a year as he's earned it with a year of twiddling his thumbs and deserves a chance with us.

So to quantify all that:
I'd definitely try to keep McKeown, Killip, RHJ, Mills, Fox, Summerfield, Hooper, Cardwell and A. Rose.

I'd see what we could do before making decisions on Woolford, Collins, Rose and Dembele.

I'd try and sign Vernam on a season loan.

I'd release or try and offload everyone else.

That leaves us with between 10 and 14 players next season and Jolley can go and sign between 8 and 12 of his own men. We need a squad of a maximum of 22 players who are tight knit and all buy into Jolley's way of thinking and the fanbase can feel are part of our club.

Quoted from Mariner_09

For me, McKeown has to stay, I'd give him a 3-year contract with a big pay rise in order to make him feel wanted by the club. I'd also keep Killip as I don't see us getting a better reserve keeper, and I suspect he's cheap. Obviously send Kean back to Wednesday.

I'd keep Mills and RHJ but not Davies. Mills is versatile, he can play right back and on the right of a three-man central defence, he also did pretty well at left back at Carlisle. RHJ is also more athletic than any of our full backs and can also deliver a good cross, which is valuable weapon. His throw ins need work and his defensive play is ok but I'm hopeful it would improve. Bendy will be 37 next month and he seems to have struggled to get any consistent game time in the 2nd half of the season due to injuries, feel it could be one season too many. Collins is a real 50/50. If we were to retain, which I wouldn't be against, then we need someone more athletic next to him and a better shield from midfield, he'd prosper in that I'd imagine but Jolley needs to be sure he can get this before retaining I feel. I'd release Clarke, although he's improved recently, some of the stuff he produced before that was dire and that cannot be discounted. Osborne is a no-brainer to release as he's barely played and has dished up some performances equally as poor as Clarke when he has played. Suliman should be sent back as he didn't seem to have the physicality to play lower league football, that seems harsh but I’m basing this on about 60 minutes against Vale and there must be a reason he hasn’t played. Fox has improved with game time and he's much better than Dixon in every respect so I'd offer a new deal. I'd try and offload Dixon as he's allegedly a big earner and whenever he's played he's looked very suspect defensively and carries no threat going forward.

I'd offer Summerfield a 1-year deal with an option considering he's now 30 and I'm not certain that his high-intensity style can be maintained for 2 years, hence the caution of a 1+1 deal. I'd release Berrett, fallen completely out of favour and is very limited, we need better. Rose is contracted and I'd keep but as a backup. The last few weeks where he's scored a few penalties don't disguise that his touch remains very poor, his fitness lacking and can barely pass wind. So, in all honesty I'd try and ship him out. Clements and McAllister both go, they're as certain to go as anybody. Both would be ok I feel but for one reason or another it hasn't worked out for either here. I'd give Clifton a 3-year deal and substantially increase his wages as he's been very good these last few weeks and should develop exponentially while playing every week in his position and with a good coaching manager at the helm. Woolford is an interesting one. He's looked a different player since Jolley moved him to play on the left of a three-man midfield, he'll be 33 next season but still maybe a good squad player, Rose could be the limiting factor here, if we can ship him out I'd keep him but if we can't, sorry Martyn but we can't have squad players filling the starting XI.

Dembele is one of the most frustrating footballers I've come across, he has absolutely no guile and doesn't actually have great pace, just excellent instant acceleration. His decision making, final ball and touch are often very poor. But you can see the potential and part of me thinks that with a decent manager (Jolley) and maybe starting 20 yards higher up the pitch in a better side he'd look much, much better. I'm quite torn but would lean towards releasing him due to his clear lack of heart and seeming want-away attitude since Christmas. I'd offload Kelly, been anonymous whenever I've seen him play, he jumps out of tackles and never looks like creating or scoring anything. I'd send Jaiyasimi back as he hasn't had game time and when he has played hasn't created anything. I'd release McSheffrey too. Hasn't offered a great deal when he's played and will be 36 soon. I'd give Wright a year and see what happens, has put in some impressive displays for Scarborough and I'd want to see is his alleged quick and direct style could be effective in the league. Hooper has been transformed by Jolley as a winger, most of the time has looked extremely threatening. If he could get a couple of goals early next season then I feel his confidence would soar and he'd be really dangerous in this league. It's all about confidence with him. He's contracted and would keep. Wilks will be sent back, has been persistently injured and has looked very raw when he's played.

Cardwell is contracted and works extremely hard but never looks like scoring, would keep as a squad player and see if he can develop more and add goals to his game. There's certainly something to work with. Vernon should be released, he's also very limited and the Cambridge fiasco did irreparable damage to him with the fans. Despite the elation he caused, Matt also shouldn't be offered a contract, his touch is dreadful and his hold-up isn't great for a big man. We need better. I'd try and sign Vernam on a season long loan as he looked excellent and very creative when he played, would definitely develop under the right management. I'd also send Jackson back. He's perennially injured and has scored only one goal when he's played as doesn't offer much more of a threat IMO. I'd give Ahkeem Rose a year as he's earned it with a year of twiddling his thumbs and deserves a chance with us.

So to quantify all that:
I'd definitely try to keep McKeown, Killip, RHJ, Mills, Fox, Summerfield, Hooper, Cardwell and A. Rose.

I'd see what we could do before making decisions on Woolford, Collins, Rose and Dembele.

I'd try and sign Vernam on a season loan.

I'd release or try and offload everyone else.

That leaves us with between 10 and 14 players next season and Jolley can go and sign between 8 and 12 of his own men. We need a squad of a maximum of 22 players who are tight knit and all buy into Jolley's way of thinking and the fanbase can feel are part of our club.

I would keep only the players we have to because they are contracted. We are in the bottom few of division 4 for a reason - the players haven't been nearly good enough, despite Jolley getting more out of them, particularly for the Notts game.

We need to start again. There will be hundreds of players available soon. The right wages offered, with an exciting new manager who seems to be ticking all the boxes will open all sorts of new avenues to better players, hungrier players, younger players and quicker players.

Jolley himself has said he will judge them over the course of the season which surely means most of them will be released. If he keeps one or two who he really rates and think will fit into his plans then fair enough.

Quoted from Pouton4ever

Sacrifcied to where? If no one wanted them then its a case of paying off their wages for the remainder of the contract- is that helpful to cash flow? or is it just a big lump of cash that has to come from somewhere? What do we sacrifice in return for that?

I would have thought that the lost revenue from the decreased gates bad feelings and probable lost season ticket renewal far outweighs the saving on the wage bill. So not only was the sacrifice in vain it was actually counter productive.
Another monumental fuk up from Fenty, Mr Shut up and Co.
wouldn’t you agree ?  

Quoted from Pouton4ever

This is though in part something I don't get about some posters assertions that the club pays for its self and you don't need someone with money to be there- how on earth do you sign players- even with installments there has to be some money to pay those and further more there's signing fees for players, agent fees etc etc

I will type this very slowly as I appreciate you cannot read very fast.

How on earth do you sign players? I would suggest you use the money from season ticket sales, commercial income and EFL distribution.
Signing on fees are paid over the duration of the contract and not in a lump sum on day one.
I maintain that someone has to underwrite the cash flow as John has done to £350k or thereabouts but there are people willing to do that if John is serious about stepping down. Maybe  John is more keen on stepping aside than those who attach themselves to his shirt tails?