What a shambles !

Quoted from vuvuzela_hater

I go to every game, home and away.  and all I can see is that we're second in the league.  Better prospects than the last few years.  time will tell how long we're in the mickey mouse cup for, but I think that will be the make or break.  Yes, hurst is negative, but I also believe his philosophy of 'win the home games, don't lose the away games, and you'll win the league'.  My opinion is PH has got it wrong with LJL, but they've built the team around him, and there's no turning back now.   From what I've seen, we play attractive football, but with no end product.  All it takes is a bit of a confidence boost with a couple of players and we'll be flying.  We are second in the league and according to most, we're playing excrement!  not a bad position to be in imho.    we're on the up.   keep the faith.   UTM

You go to every game home and away, 'from what I've seen we play attractive football'.

Are you being serious?

I am quite new to watching town play regularly, so can't compare these few games to past seasons but I think we're playing decent stuff for this level.  We get the ball down and play (mostly) and seem to have the edge over most teams.  Were not poor defensively, if their player yesterday hadn't belted the ball from 30 yards yesterday, then we would all be singing from a different hymn sheet today.  I just think our fans are fickle.  5 games ago people wanted PH out,  we win a few and he's the f-ing messiah,  we DRAW away and he's the most useless manager to come here since Nicky Law.  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

well if it does happen then LJL is welcome to insert the bratwurst as that means i have a chance of him missing the target hole.

You get 7 in a jar, so by your logic he'd get one in  

Quoted from jimgtfc

You get 7 in a jar, so by your logic he'd get one in  

Quoted from vuvuzela_hater

I am quite new to watching town play regularly, so can't compare these few games to past seasons but I think we're playing decent stuff for this level.  We get the ball down and play (mostly) and seem to have the edge over most teams.  Were not poor defensively, if their player yesterday hadn't belted the ball from 30 yards yesterday, then we would all be singing from a different hymn sheet today.  I just think our fans are fickle.  5 games ago people wanted PH out,  we win a few and he's the f-ing messiah,  we DRAW away and he's the most useless manager to come here since Nicky Law.  

You watch different games to me then tbh....

Quoted from vuvuzela_hater

I am quite new to watching town play regularly, so can't compare these few games to past seasons but I think we're playing decent stuff for this level.  We get the ball down and play (mostly) and seem to have the edge over most teams.  Were not poor defensively, if their player yesterday hadn't belted the ball from 30 yards yesterday, then we would all be singing from a different hymn sheet today.  I just think our fans are fickle.  5 games ago people wanted PH out,  we win a few and he's the f-ing messiah,  we DRAW away and he's the most useless manager to come here since Nicky Law.  

"win a few and he's the messiah" - simply not true. One thing that is absolutely clear is that most people's view of hurst is now deeply ingrained and is not altered by a few results. Whether they be good or bad. I'm trying hard to remember a manager who has split the fans in this way and I've been supporting town for 30 odd years. Slade, perhaps.

Quoted from jimgtfc

You get 7 in a jar, so by your logic he'd get one in  

incorrect.

if you get 7 in a jar by my logic that means he wouldnt get one in unless he opened a second jar and im afraid there was no mention of a second jar.

unlucky.

Quoted from cardiffmariner

"win a few and he's the messiah" - simply not true. One thing that is absolutely clear is that most people's view of hurst is now deeply ingrained and is not altered by a few good results. Whether they be good or bad. I'm trying hard to remember a manager who has split the fans in this way and I've been supporting town for 30 odd years. Slade, perhaps.

This

Sad but true....

Quoted from cardiffmariner

"win a few and he's the messiah" - simply not true. One thing that is absolutely clear is that most people's view of hurst is now deeply ingrained and is not altered by a few results. Whether they be good or bad. I'm trying hard to remember a manager who has split the fans in this way and I've been supporting town for 30 odd years. Slade, perhaps.

Slade divided fans in the same way. That was the last time i voluntarily missed a few games because of the football on show.

Both are nearly men

Quoted from vuvuzela_hater

I am quite new to watching town play regularly, so can't compare these few games to past seasons but I think we're playing decent stuff for this level.  We get the ball down and play (mostly) and seem to have the edge over most teams.  Were not poor defensively, if their player yesterday hadn't belted the ball from 30 yards yesterday, then we would all be singing from a different hymn sheet today.  I just think our fans are fickle.  5 games ago people wanted PH out,  we win a few and he's the f-ing messiah,  we DRAW away and he's the most useless manager to come here since Nicky Law.  

To draw away against the bottom club in the league is an awful result. It is no good getting the ball down and playing and having the edge if you throw away 2 points like yesterday and Altrincham. It would surely have dawned on PH or any other manager in that situation that either a) his tactics need to change so that a goalscorer can be played in the same side as LJL or b) if he wants to keep the same tactics he needs to replace LJL with a better finisher.

It would help if PH was honest with fans for once and admitted that his 4-3-3 really is 4-5-1. Packing the midfield does indeed allow Town to get the ball down and play but it removes a cutting edge up front. If they fail to get an early goal it gets harder and harder for that one striker to operate and for midfielders to make supporting runs as the game goes on and the pressure is on the defence. If they do get a goal early on the temptation is to sit even further back and leave the striker completely isolated.

Actually I do like 4-3-3 because it can be the most deadly and attractive system. The best I personally saw it played was the Everton side of the late 1960s with Ball, Kendall and Harvey but it does depend very much on having some 90 minute human dynamos in midfield and at this level .......?

No doubt I will be reminded how many LJL has scored but if he is going to be the one and only striker left up on his own for long periods, he is going to have to score an awful lot more.