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I think it's a very plausible theory.
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I think they are falling between two stools.
They are now at a full time professional club with the biggest budget they have ever had and like kids in a sweet shop, they are acquiring players left right and centre that they could only have dreamed of getting at their old clubs.
These players are at a higher skill level than previous players they have managed but they are still trying to play a style more suited to players with limited ability. They have had lots of success in the past with a direct style but i think our players now are not happy with that style. They want to play football and are being told to be direct, against their natural tendencies.
Someone told me last season that Disley wasn't happy with the ball constantly flying over his head but can only play as instructed. I have no proof of this but it sounds feasible to me.
They just look lost and when things are not going well, the natural reaction from players is just to get the ball as far away as they can, as quick as they can, so as not to incur the wrath of the managers/fans if they try something and it goes wrong.
Just a theory of mine.
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Part of the reason Town's defence did so well v Stockport for 80 odd minutes was the protection afforded to them(particularly down the middle) by Niven's execution of his role.
Perhaps but defence wasn't the problem vs Nuneaton was it ?
I believe it was a huge mistake to leave him out of the starting line up on Saturday and can only assume that the managers didn't think he'd enough attacking qualities for a team needing to go all out attack against a team that had conceded nine goals in their opening two fixtures.
So you don't you think Thanoj did well enough then ? You can complain about Disley but he's the captain(another issue granted). Whilst there certainly was debate about Disley pre-match, even posters like Tommy who called it right said dropping him would be done reluctantly because no-one could say he didn't do well in the first 2 games. So in hindsight, who wouldn't have played ? Sorry barralad but it's all too easy to sit on the fence before kick off and then complain after. |
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I think they are falling between two stools.
They are now at a full time professional club with the biggest budget they have ever had and like kids in a sweet shop, they are acquiring players left right and centre that they could only have dreamed of getting at their old clubs.
These players are at a higher skill level than previous players they have managed but they are still trying to play a style more suited to players with limited ability. They have had lots of success in the past with a direct style but i think our players now are not happy with that style. They want to play football and are being told to be direct, against their natural tendencies.
Someone told me last season that Disley wasn't happy with the ball constantly flying over his head but can only play as instructed. I have no proof of this but it sounds feasible to me.
They just look lost and when things are not going well, the natural reaction from players is just to get the ball as far away as they can, as quick as they can, so as not to incur the wrath of the managers/fans if they try something and it goes wrong.
Just a theory of mine.
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What I can't understand is why they buy players who on paper and according to their previous teams appear to be quite talented and would suit a passing game if they are insisting on playing long ball. Are they really that stupid?!
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What I can't understand is why they buy players who on paper and according to their previous teams appear to be quite talented and would suit a passing game if they are insisting on playing long ball. Are they really that stupid?!
Have they though? Thomas is suited to flying down the wing and either crossing it or creating an oppurtunity for soeone else to cross, Hatton coming from in from another successful side was known for his crossing and set pieces, cook - quintessential big man up top, colbeck to take on the fullback and get the cross in, also to shoot on sight. Niven is the break up guy, destroyer of opponents attacks. Soares, g pearson, artus etc i agree with. much more ball to feet, time and space kind of players. I think ginnywigs put it well, we've landed inbetween two destinations. Neither in longball town or passing city. No mans land. |
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Have they though? Thomas is suited to flying down the wing and either crossing it or creating an oppurtunity for soeone else to cross, Hatton coming from in from another successful side was known for his crossing and set pieces, cook - quintessential big man up top, colbeck to take on the fullback and get the cross in, also to shoot on sight. Niven is the break up guy, destroyer of opponents attacks.
Soares, g pearson, artus etc i agree with. much more ball to feet, time and space kind of players.
I think ginnywigs put it well, we've landed inbetween two destinations. Neither in longball town or passing city. No mans land.
There's a difference between crossing and long ball though. They're not making the most out of the strengths that their new signings have, telling the full backs to lump it long from deep. If Hatton and Thomas are both good at crossing at getting forward, why not work on passing it simply into the midfield and getting the return higher up the pitch or overlapping the winger? |
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I think if you go back 10 years or more you will find we haven't really apppointed an experienced league manager with the exception of Buckley and Newell who had both been out of the game for some time.
The back 10 years keeps cropping up a lot on threads. Many times mates and I have said if we only went for the footy we would have stopped going 10 years ago.( The wives / girlfriends are no lookers so it gets us out the house )  |
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Maybe its all Parkers fault ???????
If he had waited untill Cooper had signed for us as our manager,
Instead of resigning himself just as Cooper was about to sign,
We might be back in the league already,
I bet Cooper wished he had signed now, after what happened at Darlo.
If S + H turns things round great !!!!!
If not, whats Cooper doing now ?
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There's a difference between crossing and long ball though. They're not making the most out of the strengths that their new signings have, telling the full backs to lump it long from deep. If Hatton and Thomas are both good at crossing at getting forward, why not work on passing it simply into the midfield and getting the return higher up the pitch or overlapping the winger?
I think thats exactly what S&H asked for on saturday, bringing thanoj in to try and use the space in midfield better and, at least for the first 15mins, we were passing it around the back four, looking for the oppurtunity to pass forward and create . Problem was lack of movement up top and a midfield overrun with nuneaton players. Slowly as we ran out of ideas and motivation, errors were made and players resorted to hoofing away, anywhere. |
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