s n h - got this horrible feeling...

If we beat wrexham it will all be back to normal.

3 games in and we are all wallowing in self pity and taking the time to type on a gtfc message board how little we care.

I do wonder why people do that too...if you don't care about moms thing why would you waste time whining on here, twitter etc...

The fact is, one of the reasons we've been shite the last few years is a lack of consistency and a chairman and a set a fans if the truth be told that panic if we don't win every game, even last year when we were doing well people moaned...

I wonder if Mansfield fans are sat wallowing in self pity and thinking about sacking their manager etc...

And as for Buckley, so what if he can get the team playing football, he's copulated when it comes to signing players...Matthew Haywood anyone? Richard hope?...need I say more. Get your heads out your arses and move on"if fenty does shoot his gun too early again then another new face is needed, not Arnold face withfew ideas and clearly a lack of knowledge of the transfer system...

Quoted from aldi_01

I do wonder why people do that too...if you don't care about moms thing why would you waste time whining on here, twitter etc...

I'm interested, I want us to do well. I'm still pleased when we win and cheesed off when we lose but at the moment I don't care whether we sack the managers or not as I don't think it'll make any difference.

Quoted from psgmariner

If we beat wrexham it will all be back to normal.

3 games in and we are all wallowing in self pity and taking the time to type on a gtfc message board how little we care.

Of course everyone on here cares but in the past I used to think that decisions such as sacking the manager would make a difference to how good we are or not. Nowadays I just feel like we'll forever be shite no matter what.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Your gut feeling was right about not Neweel so you get my vote  

No pressure then!     

I've no strong feelings either way about the managers (for once) but I think I would at least like to see them have a go at moulding all these new players they've brought in, before we have yet another upheaval and another crowd of new faces.  I'd like to see what the players can do (and hopefully it's better than what I saw last week) before the merry-go-round starts spinning out of control and it's all change yet again.  One doesn't have time to catch one's breath these days, does one?  

PS  Aldi, I might well wish I hadn't asked, but who is Arnold face?

A very good thread this with some well-reasoned, sensible posts.

The managers have had some good "player resources" to work with.  This includes supposedly good players with pedigree.  Cook and Soares also scored plenty of goals last season.  Overall, this quad is better than most of our rivals.  Or rather (the crux) they "should" be better. Better on paper but not on grass.

Molding these different players into a winning team is the managers job.  The evidence of Sat showed that they are falling woefully short. I do not not why.   A quick fix is needed before everybodies patience wears out and changes are made.

Quoted from marinette

No pressure then!     

I've no strong feelings either way about the managers (for once) but I think I would at least like to see them have a go at moulding all these new players they've brought in, before we have yet another upheaval and another crowd of new faces.  I'd like to see what the players can do (and hopefully it's better than what I saw last week) before the merry-go-round starts spinning out of control and it's all change yet again.  One doesn't have time to catch one's breath these days, does one?  

PS  Aldi, I might well wish I hadn't asked, but who is Arnold face?

I really want H&S to succeed too but I am more shocked at the lack of everything they said their teams would do.  The Stockport game reminded me so much of the first half of our relegation season and I guess H&S don't realise that.  It seems others are subconscious of that too and that's why we have had a turn of anger from the fans.

They need to get some points on the board and put in some very gritty performances.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

A very good thread this with some well-reasoned, sensible posts.

The managers have had some good "player resources" to work with.  This includes supposedly good players with pedigree.  Cook and Soares also scored plenty of goals last season.  Overall, this quad is better than most of our rivals.  Or rather (the crux) they "should" be better. Better on paper but not on grass.

Molding these different players into a winning team is the managers job.  The evidence of Sat showed that they are falling woefully short. I do not not why.   A quick fix is needed before everybodies patience wears out and changes are made.

You make some very good points but is there such a thing as a "quick fix" in the football world ? I don't think for one second that The Dynamic Duo send out a team of players to blatently under perform , which is what happened on Saturday. I just get the impression that , for whatever reason , when the team stepped out on the park they completely forgot what instructions they had been given for the game. I don't know what the answer is but if we do sack these two who will want to come here with our track record of sacking managers who don't succeed within 12 to 18 months? Don't forget that we only appointed these two because the 4 preferred candidates turned us down.

I think that's a fair summing up SNAFU. I really do think that there is one man at the centre of our problems and he faces two choices - change or leave. Only good results can conceal that issue and it'll need confronting pretty soon. As you say, in a short while, everyone's patience will run out and there will be ugly scenes that will tarnish the club's credibility (just like falling out with interviewers, ranting at the crowd and your own players does). We really need to find a solution with these two (or try to asses if it would be possible to keep Hurst) because I'm also of the opinion that yet another sacking/changeover will set us back even further, and I already feel that we're almost back at 'square one' at this level. Only good results can prevent some more upheaval - it's possibly a little cruel that our forthcoming 2 games look very tough indeed (as does the month of September generally), on paper at least. Obviously the loss of Liam Hearn compounds that and means we might find it even tougher to be in some sort of contention - the bare minimum that this club should be setting as its objective.

I agree with others who have said that our squad looks strong, and we should be doing much better. What I want to see, and I think most people do too, is some sort of method to our play instead of hope-for-the-best, slow-paced, faltering, error-prone football. I also think the Chairman needs to think again before he blames the fans, and looks closer to home. There should be people at the club assessing the situation and their own attitudes in detail because we need quicker evolution; only then might we start to show some improvements. It had better happen very quickly - if it doesn't, there'll be tantrums, sackings, abuse and crippling attendance depreciation.

I think they are falling between two stools.

They are now at a full time professional club with the biggest budget they have ever had and like kids in a sweet shop, they are acquiring players left right and centre that they could only have dreamed of getting at their old clubs.

These players are at a higher skill level than previous players they have managed but they are still trying to play a style more suited to players with limited ability. They have had lots of success in the past with a direct style but i think our players now are not happy with that style. They want to play football and are being told to be direct, against their natural tendencies.

Someone told me last season that Disley wasn't happy with the ball constantly flying over his head but can only play as instructed. I have no proof of this but it sounds feasible to me.

They just look lost and when things are not going well, the natural reaction from players is just to get the ball as far away as they can, as quick as they can, so as not to incur the wrath of the managers/fans if they try something and it goes wrong.

Just a theory of mine.