We're out of the EU!

The only reason we've had any sort of a recovery since 2010 is due to the increase in immigration and property prices being pumped up further in the south east by foreign investors. GDP per capita is about the same now as it was in 2008 so that's already 7 years of lost growth. As the collapse in the value of the pound (already down to levels not seen since 1985) has already shown, capital flight is all but inevitable, especially when the continuing property bubble pops. Once the levels of immigration are cut, we'll be facing a skills and labour shortage which will further damage the economy. The fall in the pound means that imports will cost us more immediately. Your supermarket shop will be going up in price very quickly as we are net importers of food. Everything will cost more and don't forget we have a massive current account deficit - this means we import a lot more than we export so general purchases will go up in cost.

All the major economic bodies and well over 90% of economists agree that this vote will damage the economy. Standard economic theory shows that this will damage the economy. Why on earth do you think any different? Haven't you been following the news?

Quoted from pontoonlew

So Farage has admitted the £350m saved going to the NHS isn't actually true.

Why are people surprised? The leave campaign was built on an out an out lie, a lot of people don't even know what on earth they've just voted for.

Both campaigns were built on lies, scares half truths and exaggeration. No one knows what we've voted for but no one knew if we stayed either. Cameron has made dodging questions a art form and people have seen through him . His renegotiation was a joke, both he and Europe mistook how much austerity us affecting working people.
  With a city's worth of people coming in every year the government have failed to build the houses and invest in the social services to cope and have reaped the reward.

I can say with certainty that the business i work in will now putting more new jobs into EU and less into UK as a result of this.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Ok , tell me why ?

Assuming the EU remains as is (our biggest hope now maybe that it disinergrates) we will need to go back to them to renegotiate our trade deals. That will mean still being part of the single market and the EEA.

1. To be part of that you have to abide by the freedom of movement rules. So you still won't be able to stop or even control immigration anymore than you already do. The leave campaign often held up the likes of Norway and Switzerland as examples of how you can operate outside the EU while maintaining trade deals. Both had to sign up to freedom of movement rules and both have more immigration than the UK.

2. I doubt we will be able to negotiate deals as good as what we had as part of the EU. Why should they let us? We have just withdrawn out membership and taken our money with us. What reason to they have to allow us those same trade deals. They will also now want to make an example of us so it doesn't look like the easy choice is to leave, so the rest of europe is deterred from following suit.

News just in David Cameron has just confirmed he will step down by the end of October.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

More scaremongering maringer based on no truth whatsoever.

How do you know we will have a recession?

We have paved the way for more countries to be free from the rules set by the eu, netherlands and denmark also want to leave so expect more countries to follow us yet again as we set the example of having the balls to do it.

The pound is at it's lowest since the early 1970's and is falling.

In the first 10 minutes of trading an 122 billion has been written of the value of shares on the stock exchange.

It wasn't scaremongering you were hearing it was warnings.

Quoted from pontoonlew

So Farage has admitted the £350m saved going to the NHS isn't actually true.

Thought that was Boris? Either way they were onto a loser picking that stat, it's become a vague and useless point that sums up the muddled approach from both sides.

Which is odd as there are many EU measures that are equally alarming and true, finding out just a fortnight a go that the EU office is moved once a month every month to Strasbourg, lorries loaded with office paperwork and computers, special trains laid on for all the workers just to do 4 days work in Strasbourg before the lorries are re-loaded and the workers all travel back to Brussels is just one fact that angers and annoys the hell out of normal people and very likely tipped a few into the LEAVE camp.
A European party is a sound idea, but what we have in reality in the current EU is an abhorrent, rotten and corrupt service that has driven people away in droves.
IN or OUT...neither was a very good solution to the actual problem

(Edit: reply to codcheeky)

Note that the austerity you mention was in no way down to the EU. It was a Tory/coalition policy which began in 2010 and mystifyingly got the Tories elected again in 2015. How the EU gets the blame for this, I don't know.

As I noted the other week in that long thread on the other forum, most of the issues which the Leave campaign were arguing about were actually caused by the policies of our own government! The disconnect between reality and this referendum result is just incredible.

I suppose that's what happens when the bulk of the media is owned by right-wing non-doms and foreign owners - they can push their agenda on the public and the BBC has singularly failed to do its job by failing to point out the disparities in truth and fact between the two campaigns.

I watch European news ,  other countries have been watching closely.  I have just watched Dutch tv , they too want out , Denmark Italy  sweden ,  things aren't all bright and smells of roses over there .  We are all in unchartered territory,  nobody knows . The EU isn't now what we signed up to and needed reform .     This has been a true  democratic vote , winners and loosers.

Quoted from pontoonlew

So Farage has admitted the £350m saved going to the NHS isn't actually true.

Why are people surprised? The leave campaign was built on an out an out lie, a lot of people don't even know what on earth they've just voted for.

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