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MaccasBoots
December 16, 2023, 7:20pm
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I’ll counter that with the fact that we would have lost that game under Hurst. No, it wasn’t great but one point away is better than none.


I suppose what I'm saying is that if we put in that performance and got that result with Hurst as manager instead of Artell, I can't help but feel that that the consensus on here would be a bit more critical, particularly re the lack of subs
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December 16, 2023, 7:24pm

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Have to say that, to my mind, if that performance occurs towards the end of the Hurst era, the comments on here would be far less positive.


I am very happy with Artell's appointment and incredibly hopeful for the direction we're headed in, but that was definitely our worst performance since he's taken over and don't think he should be spared the criticism that Hurst would have gotten in the same circumstances.


Yeah well maybe if Artell serves up something of that standard regularly over three years, rather than it being his worst performance of his first three weeks, then that might actually be a valid comparison.

Don’t strain yourself trying to give the bloke some grief.
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December 16, 2023, 7:25pm

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Have to say that, to my mind, if that performance occurs towards the end of the Hurst era, the comments on here would be far less positive.

We didn't make changes early enough when it was blindingly obvious that they were eventually going to score. We gave the ball away too easily, particularly when we had good opportunities to break. The goal was the result of a one in a million cross from Holohan - we were very lucky to come away with a point against what was a pretty mediocre Newport side.

I am very happy with Artell's appointment and incredibly hopeful for the direction we're headed in, but that was definitely our worst performance since he's taken over and don't think he should be spared the criticism that Hurst would have gotten in the same circumstances.


Maybe so, but Artell inherited a team with four wins in 19 league games, that is quite a large oil tanker to turn around.  He has now got a home win and two away draws in the  three  games since he arrived which is pretty good going.

We have stopped giving away two goals per game  and when Pyke Wilson and Vernham are fit I think we will see more goals too. I am very confident that he will take us well up the table in the new year.
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December 16, 2023, 7:27pm
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Yeah well maybe if Artell serves up something of that standard regularly over three years, rather than it being his worst performance of his first three weeks, then that might actually be a valid comparison.

Don’t strain yourself trying to give the bloke some grief.


You've got me completely wrong - am a huge fan of Artell, think he's done fantastically since coming in, and am very optimistic about the direction we're going in.

I just think we should call a spade a spade, and not pretend like that was some fantastic performance where we were unlucky to only come away with a point against a superb Newport side - because I don't think that same approach would be taken by many on here if this were a Hurst game. That's all I was saying.
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Maybe so, but Artell inherited a team with four wins in 19 league games, that is quite a large oil tanker to turn around.  He has now got a home win and two away draws in the  three  games since he arrived which is pretty good going.

We have stopped giving away two goals per game  and when Pyke Wilson and Vernham are fit I think we will see more goals too. I am very confident that he will take us well up the table in the new year.


I completely agree with you - think he's done a fantastic job since coming in and that we are on our way to a really strong second half of the season! Just don't think that was a particularly good performance is all!
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I suppose what I'm saying is that if we put in that performance and got that result with Hurst as manager instead of Artell, I can't help but feel that that the consensus on here would be a bit more critical, particularly re the lack of subs


Also sat on a train on way home. Likely an unpopular opinion but agree with Maccasboots. If that was a performance under Hurst it would get pelters. Counter argument is improvement doesn’t come in straight lines. Totally open minded towards Artell. Only been at 3 of his 4 games. Hopes it works out and open minded but surely too early to be judging either way.


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I suppose what I'm saying is that if we put in that performance and got that result with Hurst as manager instead of Artell, I can't help but feel that that the consensus on here would be a bit more critical, particularly re the lack of subs


It wasn’t a bad performance, Newport did a job using their size and physicality and a few weeks ago we would have caved in but we didn’t we got a well deserved point from a game that was always going to be tough.


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Thought we were the better team for the first 15 minutes and turned their players inside and out, Newport then started to get more physical and closed us down with their size and strength which stopped our fluent play. I thought we would come out 2nd half with a different game plan which we struggled to implement and was more to do with the physical strength of Newport and never really tested their keeper. After their goal which I don’t think was the fault of anyone I think we suddenly started to stretch them and deserved the equaliser and got a well earned point. Thought Hunt didn’t have the freedom with the ball as he normally has and that was down to Newport doing a job on him and when Holohan replaced him he was on a mission and as well as providing the assist for Rose with the cross should have scored himself. Thought Maher and Rodgers both had good games and when Glennon got going had another good game. Overall happy with a point. UTM


Those three were the stand outs for me, and while not finding perfect executions, Clifton's energy levels are back. He tried extremely hard to make things happen..

A few more weeks of Artell's pass and move drills in training, and I think we'll have more than enough to beat a limited but very mobile and aggressive team like Newport....
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Arthur is a very good player was one of the main things I took from this and the MK Dons game , the ball seems to be stuck to his foot when he dribbles / receives it ; I hope he gets a long run in the team as I think once this more creative/technical style settles in he could be a really key player.
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It wasn’t a bad performance, Newport did a job using their size and physicality and a few weeks ago we would have caved in but we didn’t we got a well deserved point from a game that was always going to be tough.


Yes, we are certainly resilient. It seems the mind set of the players is really improving.

When I saw the score flash with Bogle's goal I was confident that all was not lost. A couple of months ago it was game over when ever we went behind and when we scored first it seemed only a matter of time before we conceded. So things definitely looking up.
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