Just back after 70 minutes

I'm in the club, I left before they got there first goal.
I have supported Hurst as much as I don't like the bloke but no more HE HAS TO GO.

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I'm in the club, I left before they got there first goal.
I have supported Hurst as much as I don't like the bloke but no more HE HAS TO GO.

I agree but I can’t see the owners sacking him

Gotta go for me. Hurst on the sidelines mirrors the boardroom - paralysed by inertia. These two didn’t become millionaires by watching their most important staff make a bolløcks of their job, they would have acted. This should be no different. Time’s time.

I think Stockwood is capable of being more ruthless than some give him credit for - you don't enjoy as much business success as he has if you're not. Can't imagine Hurst has many lives left.

I left along with 80% of the crowd on 0-2 what kind of set up was that today ? The only player I can give any credit to is Rose who tried his best the rest where shocking especially the midfield.

After that performance nothing needs saying. Wake me up when we have a new manager

Quoted from Mariner93er

I think Stockwood is capable of being more ruthless than some give him credit for - you don't enjoy as much business success as he has if you're not. Can't imagine Hurst has many lives left.

Hurst has been given the tools to do the job.. he's just not up to it anymore..

To the point where no one believes in his starting line ups and formations, and it shows in the players too..

Time for Stockwood to start up a chairman manager dating app..

I’m one of Pauls biggest supporters, But i think its time for a change. Yes we missed sitters, Yes Waterfall let his team mates down, but that was utterly dull, Dreary, just a chore to be there. I saw a team not playing for their manager. Something i never ever thought I’d say about a Paul Hurst side.

I argued with a bloke on the way out who was abusive and calling Hurst a clown amongst other things. The man deserves some respect no matter what happens now.

Gutted tonight, and its not just the result thats done that to me

Thanks for some great memories Paul but it’s time for a change. It’s dull but its through his choice. We’re illdisciplined and the club captain getting sent off for a needless second yellow epitomises that. We’ve had big money to spend and moved backwards. He came in at the right time post the Holloway debacle, brought us two promotions and a fabulous cup run and I’ve backed him all the way. Listening to him right now it’s clear he’s out of his depth now and it’s time to part ways.

11 pairs of testicles on a football pitch and not one decent player in sight.

Don't mind losing but the minimum is to compete and give your all. Players just didn't look interested or bothered. Body language was terrible. Maybe a change is needed.

I love what the owners have brought to the club but tonight is a huge test of what their ambitions for the club really are

Quoted from GrimRob

Don't mind losing but the minimum is to compete and give your all. Players just didn't look interested or bothered. Body language was terrible. Maybe a change is needed.

Exactly this. Danny Rose was furious when substituted, understandably so, the lack of a handshake spoke volumes.

The squad is decent enough, but the set up and tactics are all wrong.

Conteh looked a real find, but has regressed and probably needs some time out if the team or his confidence will go (like Mansaram when he played up front on his own all those years ago).

The line up is too defensive with Rose isolated up top. In Eisa, Wilson, Rose and Gnahoua there is the quality there, but the team looks less than the sum of its individual parts.

We still don’t have a clear identity or way of playing, and the players themselves look lost.

Whilst Hurst is right that we had the better chances and could have won, yet again it was dreadful to watch. He’s fast running out of time unless things change quickly.

Something ain’t right in the dressing room, listening to HC interview has convinced me. We have a better team better players but it’s just not right. Even listening to Hurst, I wanted him to just come out and say basically we were rubbish but no just excuses.


Things need to change ASAP

I've always been a Hurst supporter, albeit with caveats about his management, but today was just awful and the players just didn't look arsed at all. Something is badly wrong, I suspect it's frustration with the system and management as I think we have some decent individuals, but that's just a guess. What is especially galling is, when waterfall gets booked and he has a better CD on the bench with 45 minutes to play he doesn't make the change. An out of form, lacking in pace waterfall, that was just asking for a second yellow and it was an obvious change that needed making. But a stubborn refusal to make changes before 70 minutes has overridden common sense there and cost us a point against a very poor side (don't think we'd have got all 3 even with 11 men).

I am a massive fan of Clifton but he's been popr this season and was very poor today, needed subbing for Holohan at half time too.

We are usually awful to watch, poor in performances and poor in results. Yet we've had more to spend than for years and the individual players seem capable. It has to stand at Hurst's door. His in-game management is just so bad.

The crowd has definitely turned. It'll be toxic if 2k away fans are treated to another performance like that on Saturday, and we'll be thrashed if we do.

I don't think next Saturday will be curtains for him as defeat is priced in, but a defeat will surely mean the home match to Colchester then becomes an absolute must win.

I've gone from narrow Hurst in to 50/50, won't complain if he's sacked and he'd have no right to complain either, but not calling for it. The fact remains though we are sleep walking towards another relegation battle at the moment. We've been relegated with him before when he's had some time so we'd be foolish to leave it until January if it continues like this in my opinion. A risk we can't afford to take.

My opinion won't make either camp happy I think - I'm not calling for him to go but improvements required immediately or else I think we have no choice.

Quoted from toontown

I've always been a Hurst supporter, albeit with caveats about his management, but today was just awful and the players just didn't look arsed at all. Something is badly wrong, I suspect it's frustration with the system and management as I think we have some decent individuals, but that's just a guess. What is especially galling is, when waterfall gets booked and he has a better CD on the bench with 45 minutes to play he doesn't make the change. An out of form, lacking in pace waterfall, that was just asking for a second yellow and it was an obvious change that needed making. But a stubborn refusal to make changes before 70 minutes has overridden common sense there and cost us a point against a very poor side (don't think we'd have got all 3 even with 11 men).

I am a massive fan of Clifton but he's been popr this season and was very poor today, needed subbing for Holohan at half time too.

We are usually awful to watch, poor in performances and poor in results. Yet we've had more to spend than for years and the individual players seem capable. It has to stand at Hurst's door. His in-game management is just so bad.

The crowd has definitely turned. It'll be toxic if 2k away fans are treated to another performance like that on Saturday, and we'll be thrashed if we do.

I don't think next Saturday will be curtains for him as defeat is priced in, but a defeat will surely mean the home match to Colchester then becomes an absolute must win.

I've gone from narrow Hurst in to 50/50, won't complain if he's sacked and he'd have no right to complain either, but not calling for it. The fact remains though we are sleep walking towards another relegation battle at the moment. We've been relegated with him before when he's had some time so we'd be foolish to leave it until January if it continues like this in my opinion. A risk we can't afford to take.

My opinion won't make either camp happy I think - I'm not calling for him to go but improvements required immediately or else I think we have no choice.

You say your opinion won't make either camp happy, but for my money it's the most balanced and considered take on here - fair play

Anyone fancy selling their Stockport ticket?

It's hard to believe in 2 or 3 games we could be in the bottom 2:

Don't leave it too late Jason \ Andrew. The new man will need to access what we have before he signs the right players in January.

We have better players than last year but the team is not doing any better.

That's down to tactics and the desire of the players to believe in what the manager tells them what to do.

I don't think Hurst used the word ATTACK very often in his team talk.

He is far too defensive and we only attack with any threat when we are losing most of the time.

I don't know where people are getting that they don't have the ruthless streak in them to sack a manager? The amount of staff turned over behind the scenes clearly shows they're willing to move people on. They're fans as much as owners and they won't be impressed with what they're watching either. I had more fun watching the boats sail past today. i'd rather have Bignot Bingo right now, at least there was some excitement  

Hold your nerve people, just a rough patch that's all. Notice those who want Hurst out haven't made a single suggestion of who could replace him.

See where we are at Christmas. If we're bottom two then, a decision should be made. But not before in my opinion

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Hold your nerve people, just a rough patch that's all. Notice those who want Hurst out haven't made a single suggestion of who could replace him.

See where we are at Christmas. If we're bottom two then, a decision should be made. But not before in my opinion

The players have stopped. It’s very visible to see . Christmas will be too late imo

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Hold your nerve people, just a rough patch that's all. Notice those who want Hurst out haven't made a single suggestion of who could replace him.

See where we are at Christmas. If we're bottom two then, a decision should be made. But not before in my opinion

Same old reply`s  Who do we want to replace him with.. bloody ronald mcdonald would do right now

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Hold your nerve people, just a rough patch that's all. Notice those who want Hurst out haven't made a single suggestion of who could replace him.

See where we are at Christmas. If we're bottom two then, a decision should be made. But not before in my opinion

Mike Williamson, Kevin Maher, Andy Whing, Phil Parkinson ( Altrincham ) - just 4 options for you. Plenty of managers out of work also and they'll be plenty of managers apply to work with a squad with ours. These aren't bad players, we've seen flashes of brilliance, it's being coached out of them and he's making terrible choices. We can all see that Waterfall is past league football based on performances this season, Maher and Rodgers looked like the next coming of Whittle and Futcher early season. Maher is fully fit and left out? I ain't his biggest fan but Pyke has scored two in two and was dropped for Gnahoua... Holohan has been arguably our best midfielder and is left out for Clifton who's been terrible. Eisa has been invisible since missing that pen. There's 0 patterns of play other than a useless clip into Rose and hope he wins a flick on or we win the second ball. It's terrible football.  

We've seen most the sides above us, barring probably Mansfield none of them made me stand back and think wow.... we have a good squad that I personally think should be aiming for the playoffs.

If I were stockwood id already be on the phone to the Gateshead manager

That was flipping shite. We've had some good performances this season and not got the result. That was not one.

I'd like to see him given time to turn it round because I fully believe he will. I don't think he will get much time though.

Holohan should've been in for Andrews from the start and I think he's got to go back to wingbacks. Maher is one of our best players and Glennon is great at wingback.

The sending off was the big moment but it was excrement before that. We found a way to lose that game.

I think Hurst's loyalty to the players went a bit too far in his anodyne post-match interview in which he didn't sound convinced of his own excuses. No doubt teams do go through rocky patches, and we certainly are at the moment, but it's not just bad luck. He doesn't like to criticise the players, but there was a lot in that performance to criticise. Sloppy, slow passing throughout the team, a failure to be aware of what was going on around them, individual error upon individual error.

The key point in the game was Eisa's ludicrous miss from just a few yards out. I think I'm correct in remembering that it cleared the stand? The goal was so open, he could have let it hit him and still scored. Just a reflection of his form over the past few games.

This was followed up by the bizarre misjudgement by Waterfall leading to the red card and then, typically their player stuck an effort into the top corner in one of the game's few pieces of quality. The second goal was ludicrous as well. A good recovery tackle from Maher then nobody bothered to clear the loose ball leading to the cross and header.

Ultimately, other than the failure to sign enough forwards or many players with much in the way of pace, the problem on the coaching side is the formation we're trying to play. We're playing with a single forward but still somehow finding ourselves outnumbered in midfield most games and, truthfully, I can't see what we're trying to do with it. There is lip service to increased possession, but the passing through midfield is non-existent at times, we don't create enough overlaps (and none of the full-backs we have is great going forward), nobody is getting up to support Rose and we fail to retain possession as often as not when the opposition hacks a clearance upfield. A distinct lack of guile on show in the middle of the park as you might expect with Clifton in there alongside inexperienced youngsters in Conteh and Andrews. Holohan on the bench is experienced but guile isn't in his repertoire.

If we're going to try and play a possession-based game, we should have signed the players to do so, but we haven't. I think we're going to need to move to a style of play and formation which suits the players better, whatever that may be, but there needs to be a change.

I never advocate a change in manager at this stage of the season, but we need to start grinding out some results, if nothing else. Hurst and Co need to rethink their plans.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

I don't know where people are getting that they don't have the ruthless streak in them to sack a manager? The amount of staff turned over behind the scenes clearly shows they're willing to move people on.

Because to me they’ve spent far too much time talking about how aligned they and Hurst are on values - I’m sure most managers would prefer a boss that is supportive and not liable to sack them after 6 games, don’t think Hurst is particularly extraordinary in that respect.

I also think that spell we had in the Conference, where they didn’t sack him, has made a rod for their backs - or they reluctant to try and remove that rod. The context is completely different, sacking Hurst halfway through a season, mid table in the conference looking at a huge loss for the year, destabilising us further. Any new manager would’ve been, in winter 21, the 6th in three years and inheriting a fairly bog standard conference team with the exception of Mcatee.

Context is everything, and we are now a League 2 club with good gates, a decent budget and a squad with some players more than good enough for the level (Maher, Conteh, Rodgers, Eisa), but going backwards quickly. I hope they don’t succumb to the odd attitude prevalent on here that nobody would ever want to come - smacks of a small time, small town view, lacking in ambition.

When we’ve had players who’ve done well for us but been unable to deliver at the next level, they’ve gone with our gratitude and best wishes - look at the likes of Taylor, Cropper, Pearson, Coke, etc. No reason why we shouldn’t take the same view with managers.

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I think Hurst's loyalty to the players went a bit too far in his anodyne post-match interview in which he didn't sound convinced of his own excuses. No doubt teams do go through rocky patches, and we certainly are at the moment, but it's not just bad luck. He doesn't like to criticise the players, but there was a lot in that performance to criticise. Sloppy, slow passing throughout the team, a failure to be aware of what was going on around them, individual error upon individual error.

The key point in the game was Eisa's ludicrous miss from just a few yards out. I think I'm correct in remembering that it cleared the stand? The goal was so open, he could have let it hit him and still scored. Just a reflection of his form over the past few games.

This was followed up by the bizarre misjudgement by Waterfall leading to the red card and then, typically their player stuck an effort into the top corner in one of the game's few pieces of quality. The second goal was ludicrous as well. A good recovery tackle from Maher then nobody bothered to clear the loose ball leading to the cross and header.

Ultimately, other than the failure to sign enough forwards or many players with much in the way of pace, the problem on the coaching side is the formation we're trying to play. We're playing with a single forward but still somehow finding ourselves outnumbered in midfield most games and, truthfully, I can't see what we're trying to do with it. There is lip service to increased possession, but the passing through midfield is non-existent at times, we don't create enough overlaps (and none of the full-backs we have is great going forward), nobody is getting up to support Rose and we fail to retain possession as often as not when the opposition hacks a clearance upfield. A distinct lack of guile on show in the middle of the park as you might expect with Clifton in there alongside inexperienced youngsters in Conteh and Andrews. Holohan on the bench is experienced but guile isn't in his repertoire.

If we're going to try and play a possession-based game, we should have signed the players to do so, but we haven't. I think we're going to need to move to a style of play and formation which suits the players better, whatever that may be, but there needs to be a change.

I never advocate a change in manager at this stage of the season, but we need to start grinding out some results, if nothing else. Hurst and Co need to rethink their plans.

I advocate a change right now. The players’ body language speaks volumes. They are a pretty talented bunch and the manager doesn’t seem to know what to do with them.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I advocate a change right now. The players’ body language speaks volumes. They are a pretty talented bunch and the manager doesn’t seem to know what to do with them.

They arent innocent in all this, yes PH signed them, yes they play to his instructions, but some of their body language and lack of fight was so evident today. Again something we’d never expect from a Hurst side. I think you alluded to it earlier, something is not right behind the scenes

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Because to me they’ve spent far too much time talking about how aligned they and Hurst are on values - I’m sure most managers would prefer a boss that is supportive and not liable to sack them after 6 games, don’t think Hurst is particularly extraordinary in that respect.

I also think that spell we had in the Conference, where they didn’t sack him, has made a rod for their backs - or they reluctant to try and remove that rod. The context is completely different, sacking Hurst halfway through a season, mid table in the conference looking at a huge loss for the year, destabilising us further. Any new manager would’ve been, in winter 21, the 6th in three years and inheriting a fairly bog standard conference team with the exception of Mcatee.

Context is everything, and we are now a League 2 club with good gates, a decent budget and a squad with some players more than good enough for the level (Maher, Conteh, Rodgers, Eisa), but going backwards quickly. I hope they don’t succumb to the odd attitude prevalent on here that nobody would ever want to come - smacks of a small time, small town view, lacking in ambition.

When we’ve had players who’ve done well for us but been unable to deliver at the next level, they’ve gone with our gratitude and best wishes - look at the likes of Taylor, Cropper, Pearson, Coke, etc. No reason why we shouldn’t take the same view with managers.

I believe they refer to that spell and put it down to the reason they didn't sack him due to the data etc, and all the data showed that we were unlucky and that it'd turn that form around... I hope the same approach isn't taken here because regardless of the stats showing if games finished at half time we'd be leading it's been absolotely terrible. I agree with absolotely everything you say there and you've hit the nail on the head for me.

It'll be the fans to blame next mark my words .Toxic,drunk etc etc
The fans go to back the team it doesn't take much and we will get behind them but I see nothing at all to give me hope at present.Clearly something is wrong within the camp and PH is the guy in charge but the actual games have been getting progressively worse.

He has reverted to the Hurst who was sacked by Ipswich then scunny and took us down without much of a fight. it was pure/outrageous fortune by the football gods we got promoted that year. We were nowhere near the top 2 teams at season end

That was terrible. Really, really bad. We've got some talented players but we've got a very disjointed squad which I think will actually be quite difficult to work with regardless of who comes in if Hurst goes. We've got limited striking options, no pace in the team other than Wilson, no physical presence as an attacking option, very few players capable of going past their man, very little technical ability and nous in the centre of midfield, no capable left back, only two capable centre backs and two keepers who are both quite substantially worse than the one they're replacing.

He's created a rod for his own back by making a squad that has neither the pace, power or physical presence to go long properly but without the ability in midfield to work through the thirds. Having said that, the movement and pattern of play is awful. The gap between Conteh and the defenders to the forward players when we have the ball is huge and results in just aimless hoofs which never amount to anything. The central midfielders just run forward in an aimless straight line creating a static front five. It is mindless stuff, the sort of stuff you see at under 12's. No interplay, no link up, nobody coming short or willing to demand the ball when under pressure. I said at the start of the season we needed more signings in central midfield than just Conteh and nothing has changed my mind in that regard.

But the worst thing is there's no urgency or fight amongst this bunch who are not exempt from criticism at all. They're clearly not playing for Hurst and the performances are getting worse. That on top of no clear and obvious plan or signs of something developing mean it's time for a change. Thank you for everything Paul, I've been a supporter of yours in the past but you've made a real pig's ear of it this season and if we leave it too late we're going to end up in a relegation fight.  

Things are bad at the minute, but Hurst isn't a bad manager, and certainly hasn't become one since the end of the last season.

As I've mentioned on another thread, our recruitment hasn't been good enough. We've lost Crocombe, Smith, McAtee, Lloyd, Emmanuel and Orsi and not replaced them properly.

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That was terrible. Really, really bad. We've got some talented players but we've got a very disjointed squad which I think will actually be quite difficult to work with regardless of who comes in if Hurst goes. We've got limited striking options, no pace in the team other than Wilson, no physical presence as an attacking option, very few players capable of going past their man, very little technical ability and nous in the centre of midfield, no capable left back, only two capable centre backs and two keepers who are both quite substantially worse than the one they're replacing.

He's created a rod for his own back by making a squad that has neither the pace, power or physical presence to go long properly but without the ability in midfield to work through the thirds. Having said that, the movement and pattern of play is awful. The gap between Conteh and the defenders to the forward players when we have the ball is huge and results in just aimless hoofs which never amount to anything. The central midfielders just run forward in an aimless straight line creating a static front five. It is mindless stuff, the sort of stuff you see at under 12's. No interplay, no link up, nobody coming short or willing to demand the ball when under pressure. I said at the start of the season we needed more signings in central midfield than just Conteh and nothing has changed my mind in that regard.

But the worst thing is there's no urgency or fight amongst this bunch who are not exempt from criticism at all. They're clearly not playing for Hurst and the performances are getting worse. That on top of no clear and obvious plan or signs of something developing mean it's time for a change. Thank you for everything Paul, I've been a supporter of yours in the past but you've made a real pig's ear of it this season and if we leave it too late we're going to end up in a relegation fight.  

A great post and one I agree with wholeheartedly.

We have been playing as you describe for weeks and the lack of urgency has been obvious from the start.

The players aren't nearly as good as we all hoped, they all look bit part players. It does indeed look like an under 12 game when we get possession and everybody just runs forward as if the ball is an afterthought.

I feel for Hurst as he must be gutted to see it unravel like this, but as a poster said the players have downed tools; it looks to me they have had enough of the tactics and perhaps feel they would perform better with a fresh approach but whatever happens we will need quite a few signings in January.

Quoted from Blundellite

He has reverted to the Hurst who was sacked by Ipswich then scunny and took us down without much of a fight. it was pure/outrageous fortune by the football gods we got promoted that year. We were nowhere near the top 2 teams at season end

Agree with that

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Things are bad at the minute, but Hurst isn't a bad manager, and certainly hasn't become one since the end of the last season.

As I've mentioned on another thread, our recruitment hasn't been good enough. We've lost Crocombe, Smith, McAtee, Lloyd, Emmanuel and Orsi and not replaced them properly.

If our recruitment hasn't been good enough who are you saying who's fault that was.

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It'll be the fans to blame next mark my words .Toxic,drunk etc etc
The fans go to back the team it doesn't take much and we will get behind them but I see nothing at all to give me hope at present.Clearly something is wrong within the camp and PH is the guy in charge but the actual games have been getting progressively worse.

Fans pay their money and go to watch and support their team, at the same time we expect to be entertained, unfortunately for us this is not happening especially at BP. Maybe Paul Hurst doesn’t believe that producing a team that is entertaining is part of his job and is more concerned with not conceding goals and to that end produces boring team performance’s. Obviously something is not quite right in the dressing room as the players are not performing to anything like their abilities and unfortunately I can’t see it getting any better.UTM

At 70 minutes I was thinking how would I sum this game up and I came up with two excrement teams.


At full time I thought one excrement team and one that was a complete utter shower of clueless shite with a manager that looks like he has lost the plot.

Quoted from arryarryarry

If our recruitment hasn't been good enough who are you saying who's fault that was.

All managers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they can’t turn things around or make the changes needed to stabilise things. It is still early in the season and we are coming off the back of a tough run of fixtures. What’s the point in sacking him now? It’ll just lead to another slump over a run of games that we can pick up points from.

Genuine question. Is Hurst a coaching manager or a manager manager. By that I mean is there any culpability for Davies, Doig, Pearson etc. Who takes the sessions? Who drills the tactics?

I've always been a fan of Hurst but just don't see him ever being brave enough to go at teams, especially at home. We lost that game in the first half. A strong wind behind our backs and yet recall 1 shot that the keeper had to make. We should have peppered the goal to take a comfortable advantage into the 2nd half, and yet 1 striker on the pitch, limited skill and guile in the centre, Holohan and Maher left on the bench when they are arguably 2 of our best players and too many players simply not in any kind of form at all.
Paul has a reluctance to change the system, either from the start of from the bench apart from the last 5 minutes when the game is lost already.

I would like a new approach and management team before this season either peters out or we get dragged in a relegation fight.
I believe the Cowley brothers are not in management ATM. Just saying

Quoted from smokey111

Genuine question. Is Hurst a coaching manager or a manager manager. By that I mean is there any culpability for Davies, Doig, Pearson etc. Who takes the sessions? Who drills the tactics?

What tactics ? we don't have an attacking co-ordinator/coach so what do we expect....yep a well drilled defensive team ( well a defensive team) who lose it attacking.
Why in the second half did we play the same way as them, lets hoof a long ball and watch it come back on the wind Alan Buckleys teams would've ripped this team a new one.

A others have said a truly awful performance and it’s hard to think of any player who actually played well. Maybe I’m just too old for modern football tactics but having two players stuck out wide with one isolated (& diminutive centre forward) is supposed to achieve what? Especially as neither of the wide man rarely goes past their full back or is willing to get involved in physical challenges. As for the midfield Clifton gets worse by the match, Andrews wouldn’t win a tackle against a grannie and Conteh is going backwards after a very promising start. Amos was simply atrocious today and Mullarkey is a backwards step from Efete, he has no pace, no physicality and is not as good going forwards.

Our ball retention and control was non existent and it was like taking candy off a baby. Accrington were as poor as Salford when they visited but we didn’t deserve anything.

Finally Hurst’s post match interview was laughable and bore no reflection of what we are having to watch. Home games last season were a chore and this season they’ve deteriorated even further so for me Hurst goes now it’s so bloody painful to watch that crap.

Finally how was the crowd 6300 plus? More empty seats than any other Saturday game I’ve attended yet our alleged home crowd was higher?

Quoted from davmariner

All managers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they can’t turn things around or make the changes needed to stabilise things. It is still early in the season and we are coming off the back of a tough run of fixtures. What’s the point in sacking him now? It’ll just lead to another slump over a run of games that we can pick up points from.

Where did I suggest we sack him?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

Mike Williamson, Kevin Maher, Andy Whing, Phil Parkinson ( Altrincham ) - just 4 options for you. Plenty of managers out of work also and they'll be plenty of managers apply to work with a squad with ours. These aren't bad players, we've seen flashes of brilliance, it's being coached out of them and he's making terrible choices. We can all see that Waterfall is past league football based on performances this season, Maher and Rodgers looked like the next coming of Whittle and Futcher early season. Maher is fully fit and left out? I ain't his biggest fan but Pyke has scored two in two and was dropped for Gnahoua... Holohan has been arguably our best midfielder and is left out for Clifton who's been terrible. Eisa has been invisible since missing that pen. There's 0 patterns of play other than a useless clip into Rose and hope he wins a flick on or we win the second ball. It's terrible football.  

As stated in the Hurst out thread, John Eustace recently sacked by Birmingham might be one to look at, he's got them to play off contenders.

Mullarkey is better going forward than Efete. He can cross the ball, which is a plus, whereas Efete can't. Not sure which is the best defender, but not much in it.

Amos didn't look properly fit to me. Their second goal came after he failed to clear the ball following Maher's tackle and he looked knackered, almost out of it by then.

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

Quoted from spuggybridge

As stated in the Hurst out thread, John Eustace recently sacked by Birmingham might be one to look at, he's got them to play off contenders.

Zero chance.

He was linked to the Rangers job the other day. I mean, it looks like he’s not going to get it, but that’s the level he’s being linked with.

Quoted from male private Nale

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

And it was all going so well tonight . Have they let you have your phone today

Quoted from male private Nale

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

Still salty because your bum chum has been removed...what a plank you are

Quoted from Maringer

Mullarkey is better going forward than Efete. He can cross the ball, which is a plus, whereas Efete can't. Not sure which is the best defender, but not much in it.

Amos didn't look properly fit to me. Their second goal came after he failed to clear the ball following Maher's tackle and he looked knackered, almost out of it by then.

Just don’t agree at all with this, yes Mullarkey is capable of putting over a decent cross but he doesn’t achieve this consistently but more one in four and he has little or no pace whatsoever. Efete much the better defender and at least gives us some pace going forward albeit I accept he can also be inconsistent. Efete and Sousa were worth watching and they worked well together and gave us a threat out wide, Arthur and Toby merely amble around.

Quoted from Maringer

Mullarkey is better going forward than Efete. He can cross the ball, which is a plus, whereas Efete can't. Not sure which is the best defender, but not much in it.

Amos didn't look properly fit to me. Their second goal came after he failed to clear the ball following Maher's tackle and he looked knackered, almost out of it by then.

Mullarkey and Eastwood particularly definitely have the air of two players who were relegated last year, Rodgers too to a certain extent. Waterfall obviously was relegated from this division not long ago.

Decent players in there but far too easy to score against, not ruthless enough. There’s a quiet acceptance when we concede goals, not ideal when that’s 80% of your back 5, even worse when you’ve no functioning left back at times.

Left it an hour or three...

Not listened to Hurst post match...or read much of the thread...

i imagine he says the game hinged on two key moments...Eisa miss...Waterfall red card

And in someway it did...however ..I think the Eisa miss was
the only clear cut chance we created ? At home....in 90 mins...

Accrington were organised no doubt,  but we had the better of possession / area for first 45 mins but they still had the best two opportunities.

Second half...felt they were better without creating too much .....
Eisa chance on the break...Big miss....Waterfall hesitated....red card....

Whalley did what he does even as a "veteran" .....the second goal from the Pontoon looked awful again...didnt we win the ball back ?? Wasn't danger over ??

Summary....we were better than them for first half without causing them any real worries.......2nd half..we didn't step up....they did....
We made substitutes after the event..

We lost without much of a whimper ..

All too similar, all too frequent.

Really seems like we are not learning, changing or developing.

Quoted from davmariner

All managers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they can’t turn things around or make the changes needed to stabilise things. It is still early in the season and we are coming off the back of a tough run of fixtures. What’s the point in sacking him now? It’ll just lead to another slump over a run of games that we can pick up points from.

Fair point. But are you saying, with deep belief that PH can change, hence change the team to play better?
Because if its yes, then on what do you base your belief on? And whilst we are at it, why hasn't he seen what we saw some games away?
It's not just today's match, it's the others and even when we win it's only just.
I would much prefer that PH changes his spots, and carries us through because its cheaper and less stressful for the team. However I fear it's to late.

Quoted from toontown

I've always been a Hurst supporter, albeit with caveats about his management, but today was just awful and the players just didn't look arsed at all. Something is badly wrong, I suspect it's frustration with the system and management as I think we have some decent individuals, but that's just a guess. What is especially galling is, when waterfall gets booked and he has a better CD on the bench with 45 minutes to play he doesn't make the change. An out of form, lacking in pace waterfall, that was just asking for a second yellow and it was an obvious change that needed making. But a stubborn refusal to make changes before 70 minutes has overridden common sense there and cost us a point against a very poor side (don't think we'd have got all 3 even with 11 men).

I am a massive fan of Clifton but he's been popr this season and was very poor today, needed subbing for Holohan at half time too.

We are usually awful to watch, poor in performances and poor in results. Yet we've had more to spend than for years and the individual players seem capable. It has to stand at Hurst's door. His in-game management is just so bad.

The crowd has definitely turned. It'll be toxic if 2k away fans are treated to another performance like that on Saturday, and we'll be thrashed if we do.

I don't think next Saturday will be curtains for him as defeat is priced in, but a defeat will surely mean the home match to Colchester then becomes an absolute must win.

I've gone from narrow Hurst in to 50/50, won't complain if he's sacked and he'd have no right to complain either, but not calling for it. The fact remains though we are sleep walking towards another relegation battle at the moment. We've been relegated with him before when he's had some time so we'd be foolish to leave it until January if it continues like this in my opinion. A risk we can't afford to take.

My opinion won't make either camp happy I think - I'm not calling for him to go but improvements required immediately or else I think we have no choice.

Thought we was well on top till sending off but after that we fell to bits

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

Quoted from male private Nale

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

You are a complete imbecile

Quoted from male private Nale

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

They’re such “lefties” that they’ve accrued more wealth than anyone on here can dream of. Proper Marxist that.

Quoted from male private Nale

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

Oh ffs

Quoted from male private Nale

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

The irony coming from Mr Sukk (sic) & Swallow.

Straight on the phone tonight to a Liverpool area phone. "No, honestly Master. It was better when you were there... *slurrrp"

It's alright boys and girls nothing a lick of paint in the ponny on Monday can't solve.

Quoted from male private Nale

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

They found you out the moment they took over the club didn't they Nick

Quoted from male private Nale

I don’t want hurst out , I want Rod Jane and Freddie out , these chancers running our club have been well and truly found out . Get em gone . Shove your B Corp up your bottom ….. sideways

You obviously don't have a clue, this post will win the award of The Stupidest Fishy Post ever.

Quoted from male private Nale

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

Oh dear. Go and have a lie down.

Quoted from davmariner

Things are bad at the minute, but Hurst isn't a bad manager, and certainly hasn't become one since the end of the last season.

As I've mentioned on another thread, our recruitment hasn't been good enough. We've lost Crocombe, Smith, McAtee, Lloyd, Emmanuel and Orsi and not replaced them properly.

As far as I remember, most people were delighted with our recruitment once the window had closed.

Just watched the highlights.....not that it matters too much but what was Eastwood doing on that 2nd goal?

Frustrated beyond belief.

I’m not sure what we’re trying to do & that makes it the most difficult.

Trademarks of PHs teams of the past is that they’d often make up from a slight lack of quality with effort & endeavour. The current crop look to lack quality and equally not run through walls for one another.

The mass exodus after the second goal suggest the end is nigh.

The mass exodus is to be expected 2-0 down at home but i still believe we win that easily if eisa doesn't fluff his sitter from 3 yards out , fans have a right to boo & vent their anger but i still saw a team trying 100% for the manager in extremly windy conditions up until the sending off acc stanley had been reduced to very little eastwood not had one save to make , when we did need him i may be in the minority but think he could /should deal with both goals , i'm certainly not ready to jump on the manager out bandwagon just yet but even the most ardent & i include myself in this are getting a tad frustrated , stockport away could be testing to say the least but i will be there utm

Quoted from fishcake63

The mass exodus is to be expected 2-0 down at home but i still believe we win that easily if eisa doesn't fluff his sitter from 3 yards out , fans have a right to boo & vent their anger but i still saw a team trying 100% for the manager in extremly windy conditions up until the sending off acc stanley had been reduced to very little eastwood not had one save to make , when we did need him i may be in the minority but think he could /should deal with both goals , i'm certainly not ready to jump on the manager out bandwagon just yet but even the most ardent & i include myself in this are getting a tad frustrated , stockport away could be testing to say the least but i will be there utm

I get your positivity towards Hurst and that's fine, but that frustration and booing wasn't just about yesterday's performance and result.
Its been brewing for ages, I'd say over the last 4-5 home games, even some of it spilling over from last seasons home displays.
The Barrow result masked how poor we've been. I know Hurst has turned poor runs around but we've normally had a buffer of points, this time around its started earlier on in the season and that's the worrying thing for me.
I'm not seeing the grit or determination and we have better quality than previous seasons, maybe that's the problem, maybe after 4 months these players are looking at Hurst and his tactics, coaching style and scratching their heads, wondering WTF he's telling them to do.

Quoted from male private Nale

Be careful what you wish for …. With these lefties in charge we sukk probs end up with some bird in charge

Dear me, freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but every now and again there’s a good case for censorship. How much nonsense can one person pack into a badly constructed sentence?

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I get your positivity towards Hurst and that's fine, but that frustration and booing wasn't just about yesterday's performance and result.
Its been brewing for ages, I'd say over the last 4-5 home games, even some of it spilling over from last seasons home displays.
The Barrow result masked how poor we've been. I know Hurst has turned poor runs around but we've normally had a buffer of points, this time around its started earlier on in the season and that's the worrying thing for me.
I'm not seeing the grit or determination and we have better quality than previous seasons, maybe that's the problem, maybe after 4 months these players are looking at Hurst and his tactics, coaching style and scratching their heads, wondering WTF he's telling them to do.

I think Hurst has gone away from his usual mantra by making signings with a bit more technical ability. The down side to that is that these players are not usually in the Paul Hurst mould of running through brick walls for 90 minutes. They are usually more along the lines of prima donnas than team players, and although I don't know that to be the case, they certainly aren't busting a gut for the team.

The problem we've got is that we've signed players with good stats, but nobody with genuine pace. And almost all good teams have lots of pace in the side. It's the most important asset of a player and I can't remember the last team we had genuine pace in the side. Maybe Reddy. So we now have a team of 'better' players that don't want to play the way that the man who brought them here wants.

My biggest concern is that we signed a load of players that were relegated last season. And I can't remember a time that has ever worked for us. They must come devoid of confidence and it suggests even the better ones are prone to lapses in concentration that prove costly. We should be signing young, hungry players on the way up, not players that are conditioned to failure.

I don't think we'll go down, but once you get dragged down to the bottom it's easy to get dragged into a relegation fight. I thought our recruitment was nowhere near as good as most thought, but I did think we'd be better than last season and we're just as bad without the luck.

Quoted from buckstown

Dear me, freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but every now and again there’s a good case for censorship. How much nonsense can one person pack into a badly constructed sentence?

He's either a 6 year old kid or just a total troll.

Quoted from fishcake63

Thought we was well on top till sending off but after that we fell to bits

I think "well on top" is a bit of an exaggeration.  Even the Eisa miss was from a lucky ricochet and not from a smooth passage of play.  Stanley didn't beat us, we lost to them. They were crap, we just crappier. What chances did we create? Yes, I have to think hard too.
I have said it before, If Stanley offered us a draw before kickoff, I would have been offended. If they had offered the same at half-time I would have snapped their hand off.

Why did the sending off change the game? In the past the opposition have a man sent and win, we are told the team gelled together. We have a man sent off and lost.

It's the same every time this happens. I remember hearing that teams practise playing with 10 men, just in case this happens, so why don't Town? It's a bit like why don't they practise pens, 2 this season and failed to score.

Quoted from DB

Why did the sending off change the game? In the past the opposition have a man sent and win, we are told the team gelled together. We have a man sent off and lost.

It's the same every time this happens. I remember hearing that teams practise playing with 10 men, just in case this happens, so why don't Town? It's a bit like why don't they practise pens, 2 this season and failed to score.

I would think we probably do practice playing with 10, doesn't mean we will do it well. No doubt we practice playing with 11 men and that's not going well either.

Quoted from pen penfras

I think Hurst has gone away from his usual mantra by making signings with a bit more technical ability. The down side to that is that these players are not usually in the Paul Hurst mould of running through brick walls for 90 minutes. They are usually more along the lines of prima donnas than team players, and although I don't know that to be the case, they certainly aren't busting a gut for the team.

The problem we've got is that we've signed players with good stats, but nobody with genuine pace. And almost all good teams have lots of pace in the side. It's the most important asset of a player and I can't remember the last team we had genuine pace in the side. Maybe Reddy. So we now have a team of 'better' players that don't want to play the way that the man who brought them here wants.

My biggest concern is that we signed a load of players that were relegated last season. And I can't remember a time that has ever worked for us. They must come devoid of confidence and it suggests even the better ones are prone to lapses in concentration that prove costly. We should be signing young, hungry players on the way up, not players that are conditioned to failure.

I don't think we'll go down, but once you get dragged down to the bottom it's easy to get dragged into a relegation fight. I thought our recruitment was nowhere near as good as most thought, but I did think we'd be better than last season and we're just as bad without the luck.

I'd say Sousa was in that same bracket of pace, same with Joe Colbeck. Both were lightning quick. Colbeck wasn't unbelievable for us but I remember two games particuarly that he stood out. The two biggest games he played for us. Huddersfield in the 3rd round of the cup at home and Wrexham in the trophy final. He was our best player on both occasions. Sousa looked like he'd be a world beater early season and then faded but teams were still always worried about his pace. I take your point about his usual signings, but with how early we had our business done i'd imagine these were all his first choice signings. The only players that were relegated were Rodgers and Mullarkey and both come with glowing reviews from the teams they signed from... I don't think the players are the issue here. I think we've seen flashes of what they can do. Gillingham at home, Salford at home. We are now devoid of that press that worked so well in those games, we look lethargic when he have the ball and there's no real quality flowing through the team barring little glimpses such as the Amos ball of the top yesterday to Gnahoua where he beat his man and squared it to and Eisa probably should of scored. Conteh is like having 3 men in that midfield and we still don't have control of games. He's a level above every midfielder i've seen this year with how he takes the ball and uses it and yet we don't utilise it at all, half the time the ball is clipped over his head. It's sunday league stuff.

Quoted from fishcake63

The mass exodus is to be expected 2-0 down at home but i still believe we win that easily if eisa doesn't fluff his sitter from 3 yards out , fans have a right to boo & vent their anger but i still saw a team trying 100% for the manager in extremly windy conditions up until the sending off acc stanley had been reduced to very little eastwood not had one save to make , when we did need him i may be in the minority but think he could /should deal with both goals , i'm certainly not ready to jump on the manager out bandwagon just yet but even the most ardent & i include myself in this are getting a tad frustrated , stockport away could be testing to say the least but i will be there utm

100%? I would hate to see us playing less than 100%

Quoted from 123614

He's either a 6 year old kid or just a total troll.

He’s Nick Dale, ex Fenty stooge who was dismissed after talking complete b0llocks - a tradition he’s carried on bitterly on here, sadly.

Quoted from chaos33

He’s Nick Dale, ex Fenty stooge who was dismissed after talking complete b0llocks - a tradition he’s carried on bitterly on here, sadly.

If that’s actually true then there’s no wonder the club was in such a state if that’s the calibre of person working there. He’s barely able to construct a proper sentence.

Exactly. Year 1 literacy is a challenge for him, as is thinking, reasoning, holding implements using thumbs etc. a bit like Humbercod - stupid racist, and Denni - miserable, boring, illiterate old fart.

Quoted from chaos33

He’s Nick Dale, ex Fenty stooge who was dismissed after talking complete b0llocks - a tradition he’s carried on bitterly on here, sadly.

Surely that poster can’t actually be Nick Dale?

It would be like Rose West posting on Mums Net using the pseudonym Wrose Rest.

I know Nick Dale’s a bit dim but…

Nick Dale the grass? Get him outta here Rob

Yeah, you’d think. Calling yourself ‘D*ck Nale’ on here isn’t very bright is it, but there you go….