Just back after 70 minutes

Don't mind losing but the minimum is to compete and give your all. Players just didn't look interested or bothered. Body language was terrible. Maybe a change is needed.

I love what the owners have brought to the club but tonight is a huge test of what their ambitions for the club really are

Quoted from GrimRob

Don't mind losing but the minimum is to compete and give your all. Players just didn't look interested or bothered. Body language was terrible. Maybe a change is needed.

Exactly this. Danny Rose was furious when substituted, understandably so, the lack of a handshake spoke volumes.

The squad is decent enough, but the set up and tactics are all wrong.

Conteh looked a real find, but has regressed and probably needs some time out if the team or his confidence will go (like Mansaram when he played up front on his own all those years ago).

The line up is too defensive with Rose isolated up top. In Eisa, Wilson, Rose and Gnahoua there is the quality there, but the team looks less than the sum of its individual parts.

We still don’t have a clear identity or way of playing, and the players themselves look lost.

Whilst Hurst is right that we had the better chances and could have won, yet again it was dreadful to watch. He’s fast running out of time unless things change quickly.

Something ain’t right in the dressing room, listening to HC interview has convinced me. We have a better team better players but it’s just not right. Even listening to Hurst, I wanted him to just come out and say basically we were rubbish but no just excuses.


Things need to change ASAP

I've always been a Hurst supporter, albeit with caveats about his management, but today was just awful and the players just didn't look arsed at all. Something is badly wrong, I suspect it's frustration with the system and management as I think we have some decent individuals, but that's just a guess. What is especially galling is, when waterfall gets booked and he has a better CD on the bench with 45 minutes to play he doesn't make the change. An out of form, lacking in pace waterfall, that was just asking for a second yellow and it was an obvious change that needed making. But a stubborn refusal to make changes before 70 minutes has overridden common sense there and cost us a point against a very poor side (don't think we'd have got all 3 even with 11 men).

I am a massive fan of Clifton but he's been popr this season and was very poor today, needed subbing for Holohan at half time too.

We are usually awful to watch, poor in performances and poor in results. Yet we've had more to spend than for years and the individual players seem capable. It has to stand at Hurst's door. His in-game management is just so bad.

The crowd has definitely turned. It'll be toxic if 2k away fans are treated to another performance like that on Saturday, and we'll be thrashed if we do.

I don't think next Saturday will be curtains for him as defeat is priced in, but a defeat will surely mean the home match to Colchester then becomes an absolute must win.

I've gone from narrow Hurst in to 50/50, won't complain if he's sacked and he'd have no right to complain either, but not calling for it. The fact remains though we are sleep walking towards another relegation battle at the moment. We've been relegated with him before when he's had some time so we'd be foolish to leave it until January if it continues like this in my opinion. A risk we can't afford to take.

My opinion won't make either camp happy I think - I'm not calling for him to go but improvements required immediately or else I think we have no choice.

Quoted from toontown

I've always been a Hurst supporter, albeit with caveats about his management, but today was just awful and the players just didn't look arsed at all. Something is badly wrong, I suspect it's frustration with the system and management as I think we have some decent individuals, but that's just a guess. What is especially galling is, when waterfall gets booked and he has a better CD on the bench with 45 minutes to play he doesn't make the change. An out of form, lacking in pace waterfall, that was just asking for a second yellow and it was an obvious change that needed making. But a stubborn refusal to make changes before 70 minutes has overridden common sense there and cost us a point against a very poor side (don't think we'd have got all 3 even with 11 men).

I am a massive fan of Clifton but he's been popr this season and was very poor today, needed subbing for Holohan at half time too.

We are usually awful to watch, poor in performances and poor in results. Yet we've had more to spend than for years and the individual players seem capable. It has to stand at Hurst's door. His in-game management is just so bad.

The crowd has definitely turned. It'll be toxic if 2k away fans are treated to another performance like that on Saturday, and we'll be thrashed if we do.

I don't think next Saturday will be curtains for him as defeat is priced in, but a defeat will surely mean the home match to Colchester then becomes an absolute must win.

I've gone from narrow Hurst in to 50/50, won't complain if he's sacked and he'd have no right to complain either, but not calling for it. The fact remains though we are sleep walking towards another relegation battle at the moment. We've been relegated with him before when he's had some time so we'd be foolish to leave it until January if it continues like this in my opinion. A risk we can't afford to take.

My opinion won't make either camp happy I think - I'm not calling for him to go but improvements required immediately or else I think we have no choice.

You say your opinion won't make either camp happy, but for my money it's the most balanced and considered take on here - fair play

Anyone fancy selling their Stockport ticket?

It's hard to believe in 2 or 3 games we could be in the bottom 2:

Don't leave it too late Jason \ Andrew. The new man will need to access what we have before he signs the right players in January.

We have better players than last year but the team is not doing any better.

That's down to tactics and the desire of the players to believe in what the manager tells them what to do.

I don't think Hurst used the word ATTACK very often in his team talk.

He is far too defensive and we only attack with any threat when we are losing most of the time.

I don't know where people are getting that they don't have the ruthless streak in them to sack a manager? The amount of staff turned over behind the scenes clearly shows they're willing to move people on. They're fans as much as owners and they won't be impressed with what they're watching either. I had more fun watching the boats sail past today. i'd rather have Bignot Bingo right now, at least there was some excitement