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| December 16, 2021, 10:39pm |
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Or mutates to a variant that is less deadly and less dangerous, as seen with omicron. The thing about trawling data, is that it stacks up a lot better against emotive posts like yours that are full of speculation and fear mongering, yet lacking in data. Strange that.
And my point isn't against 'using' a vaccine. My point is firmly against 'forcing' a vaccine on people who want to live normally and freely. As said many many times on this thread, the vaccine seems effective for those at risk in reducing their symptoms and giving them a fighting chance against covid. However, as a relatively healthy 29 year old at extremely low risk of dying of covid the vaccine is not only pretty pointless it becomes foolish when it has its own string of risks attached to it, as shown in the data above.
Millions of people choose to have the flu jab every year, brilliant, all for it. But millions of people also choose not to, they aren't then forced to live a substandard life because of that choice nor are they asked to explain themselves against a mounting face of prejudice and intolerance.
What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s a numbers game. Bigger than previous numbers of infected, growing at a faster rate, even if less deadly (ignoring the fact the vaccine acted are less likely to be seriously affected if infected) means more I’ll and seriously ill people. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| December 16, 2021, 10:41pm |
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Except I'm not saying 'stuff the rest' am I? I'm saying if you're at risk, either by means of data or personal opinion, then get the vaccine, it can protect you. But don't force it upon me when it can put me at risk.
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| KingstonMariner |
| December 16, 2021, 10:43pm |
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You Sir, are an absolute idiot, I feel embarrassed to support the same club as you. Are you a member of Sage?
Oh the irony. And for your benefit I’m not talking about putting creases in your trousers. |
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| Maringer |
| December 16, 2021, 10:58pm |
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If Omicron is one quarter as dangerous as Delta in terms of serious illness (which would be a massive bonus), with a doubling rate of just 2 to 3 days, that's less than a week of spread before you surpass the number of cases which will require hospitalisation. Delta gradually became dominant over the course of a few months. Omicron is so infectious, it is going to become dominant over the course of a few weeks. And they will be coming in a short period so the healthcare system will be completely swamped with large numbers of staff absent through illness.
It's depressing thinking about it all, truth be told.
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| Poojah |
| December 16, 2021, 11:07pm |
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What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s a numbers game. Bigger than previous numbers of infected, growing at a faster rate, even if less deadly (ignoring the fact the vaccine acted are less likely to be seriously affected if infected) means more I’ll and seriously ill people.
Not to fundamentally disagree with your point, because I’m not disputing that Omicron poses a threat, I do think it’s important to be balanced on the scale of what’s ahead. Early data out of South Africa suggests that both the rate of serious illness and lethality is meaningfully lower than previous variants, and now even Chris Whitty is chiming in with quotes which loosely amount to optimism: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%.....says-chris-whitty%2FI realise there’s a fine line to tread between instilling complacency and embedding fear into the nation (with the disastrous economic effects that has), but if you sift a little deeper than the main headlines there are plenty of emerging signs that we are not confronting armegoddon here. We’ll know a lot more literally in days, but I think it’s important to note that the party line delivered at press conferences is strategically leaned towards a pessimistic outcome. The reality, I honestly believe, will be a lot, lot better than the worst case scenario. Still tough by the way, but not as rough as we’ve seen previously, and maybe, just maybe, it might leave us with an exit plan. |
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| louth_in_the_south |
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I think some posters will be seriously disappointed when their predictions of omnicrom doom don’t come true .
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| Maringer |
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I think some posters will be seriously disappointed when their predictions of omnicrom doom don’t come true .
Omicron. What an unpleasant thing to say. Actually, it's not unpleasant. It's cretinous. I'll be delighted if things don't get as bad as seems likely. Let's hope all the scientists and public health bodies are terribly wrong, though the odds are against it. |
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| louth_in_the_south |
| December 17, 2021, 5:53am |
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Omicron.
What an unpleasant thing to say. Actually, it's not unpleasant. It's cretinous.
I'll be delighted if things don't get as bad as seems likely. Let's hope all the scientists and public health bodies are terribly wrong, though the odds are against it.
Sorry Omicron , aka The Sniffles . |
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| golfer |
| December 17, 2021, 8:37am |
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Some right wallies on here - obviously the education system has been in decline well before Covid where common sense was not a subject instilled into pupils
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| aldi_01 |
| December 17, 2021, 8:43am |
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Some right wallies on here - obviously the education system has been in decline well before Covid where common sense was not a subject instilled into pupils
Probably around the time when funding was cut but Gove sent a bible to every school and said teaching the dates of kings and queens was more appropriate… |
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