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Stadium
December 11, 2021, 8:53pm
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He’s not the only person on the planet though is he. You get vaccinated partly to protect yourself and partly to protect others. Herd immunity.


??

Vaccination provides the individual from developing serious illness.
Any other value is purely speculative.




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Apologies for not picking your response but there's no need to be abusive Doc.

If you've been infected and then get vaccinated, you'll have super duper protection against this (and probably most future) variants. Sounds like another win-win for me. If you manage to avoid catching it, you can't pass it on to somebody.

Once again why would the poster feel the need to?
He has contracted the virus & has natural immunity.
Do you have evidence that having vaccinations after contracting the virus & recovering provides "super-duper"  protection? (is that even a medical term?)
"probably most future variants"??
Frankly that is ridiculous.



Stop being childish.

Look at figure H from this image:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGHZOwMXoAURYix?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

That's from one of the early serological studies against Omicron.

Best response would seem to be for those with a combination of vaccination and infection. Hence the pithy 'Super Immune' tag.

From what we know of other coronaviruses, immunity seems to be cumulative - as the virus mutates, you become infected and develop immunity to the new strains. Your past immune response is improved each time. The difference, of course, is that the other coronaviruses have been with us for hundreds of years, not less than two. Anybody with particular vulnerability to those viruses have has their genes selected out of existence. Hopefully, it will be possible to avoid this happening with this new particular coronavirus.
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At 29 you really ought to be able to understand these things .


I've explained my reasoning and as of yet have only had that challenged by yourself, with insults. At whatever your age is you really should be able to understand  how to have a discussion with someone in a respectful manner.

I will continue to follow restrictions, I will continue to distance from people where necessary, I just don't feel like the vaccination is necessary for someone with zero underlying physical health conditions.. and believe me (or don't) I'm really trying to keep anecdotal argument out of this as I have no way of proving to you on a forum of the many other reasons I have seen for not having the rushed, money spinning 'vaccine'.

More to the point, I won't be judging you or anyone else on their decision to have the vaccine, no matter what my opinion is.



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Stop being childish.

Look at figure H from this image:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGHZOwMXoAURYix?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

That's from one of the early serological studies against Omicron.

Best response would seem to be for those with a combination of vaccination and infection. Hence the pithy 'Super Immune' tag.

From what we know of other coronaviruses, immunity seems to be cumulative - as the virus mutates, you become infected and develop immunity to the new strains. Your past immune response is improved each time. The difference, of course, is that the other coronaviruses have been with us for hundreds of years, not less than two. Anybody with particular vulnerability to those viruses have has their genes selected out of existence. Hopefully, it will be possible to avoid this happening with this new particular coronavirus.


Once again there is no need to insult persons in this discussion.
Does this actually relate to transmission Doc?
To summarise ,the poster has contracted the virus, recovered & wishes not to take any vaccination.
Respect his wishes.

I presume you wish to mandate vaccination as you have previously championed Covid passports too.

Best response would seem to be for those with a combination of vaccination and infection. Hence the pithy 'Super Immune' tag.




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There’s some thick people about. You cannot pass it on if you don’t catch it and you are less likely to catch it if you are vaccinated.

Why is that so difficult to understand?


At the end of the day its your body your choice, you don't take the vaccine for anyone but yourself.
If someone dosent want the vaccine fair enough but if someone does then go for it, I don't care or judge either way, to be honest it's none of my buisness if someone wants the vaccine or not. If your older and vunerable then it's probably best you get it, if your younger and fit and healthy not having any underlying health issues then I suppose its personal choice but I wouldnt call someone thick or start being aggressive because they don't agree with you
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Once again there is no need to insult persons in this discussion.
Does this actually relate to transmission Doc?
To summarise ,the poster has contracted the virus, recovered & wishes not to take any vaccination.
Respect his wishes.

I presume you wish to mandate vaccination as you have previously championed Covid passports too.

Best response would seem to be for those with a combination of vaccination and infection. Hence the pithy 'Super Immune' tag.



Still only one person in this conversation being childish, kiddo.

As you'll surely have noticed, I mentioned earlier in this thread (you have read it, haven't you?), that I don't think there is much point in passports at present as Omicron is so infectious and there simply isn't going to be the opportunity for many to become fully vaccinated (i.e. 3 jabs) for several months. I suspect we'll be in lockdown before too long so the argument is probably moot. Whether or not a vaccine passport requirement will brought in some time next year, I couldn't say.

If the poster doesn't want any further protection against this novel coronavirus (which doesn't cost anything other than an hour or so out of your schedule one day), then that's up to him. If the government subsequently decides it is a requirement to be able to get into certain venues, then it's his choice whether he wants to change his mind.
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Zero evidence that vaccine passports have reduced cases or transmission in any country currently using them , i'm totally against medical aparthaid in any way shape or form , if a person wants the vaccine or not is upto the individual , i'm fully vaccinated & i'm not afraid to be in the company of an unvaxxed person after all these vaccines either work or they dont , i will not participate in any of this global tyranny if it stops me doing things i enjoy so be it but it's not a world or country i want my grandchildren to witness
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Still only one person in this conversation being childish, kiddo.

As you'll surely have noticed, I mentioned earlier in this thread (you have read it, haven't you?), that I don't think there is much point in passports at present as Omicron is so infectious and there simply isn't going to be the opportunity for many to become fully vaccinated (i.e. 3 jabs) for several months. I suspect we'll be in lockdown before too long so the argument is probably moot. Whether or not a vaccine passport requirement will brought in some time next year, I couldn't say.

If the poster doesn't want any further protection against this novel coronavirus (which doesn't cost anything other than an hour or so out of your schedule one day), then that's up to him. If the government subsequently decides it is a requirement to be able to get into certain venues, then it's his choice whether he wants to change his mind.



Got there in the end,shame you resort to calling people " childish"
It's an individuals choice
As you stated theres evidence having two AZ vaccinations has no effect on transmission & he wouldn't be eligible for a booster anyway.



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He’s not the only person on the planet though is he. You get vaccinated partly to protect yourself and partly to protect others. Herd immunity.


Isn't vaccination the opposite of herd immunity?
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