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Just for balance how many tests?
More to the point how many hospitalised?
on the latter point don't think we will see the effect on hospitals for another couple of weeks - there's obviously a time lag between someone catching Covid and requiring hospital treatment and a further time lag between that stage and a percentage of those dying
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Or mutates to a variant that is less deadly and less dangerous, as seen with omicron. The thing about trawling data, is that it stacks up a lot better against emotive posts like yours that are full of speculation and fear mongering, yet lacking in data. Strange that.
And my point isn't against 'using' a vaccine. My point is firmly against 'forcing' a vaccine on people who want to live normally and freely. As said many many times on this thread, the vaccine seems effective for those at risk in reducing their symptoms and giving them a fighting chance against covid. However, as a relatively healthy 29 year old at extremely low risk of dying of covid the vaccine is not only pretty pointless it becomes foolish when it has its own string of risks attached to it, as shown in the data above.
Millions of people choose to have the flu jab every year, brilliant, all for it. But millions of people also choose not to, they aren't then forced to live a substandard life because of that choice nor are they asked to explain themselves against a mounting face of prejudice and intolerance.
So stating that hundreds of thousands of people throughout the World have died of Covid is "scaremongering". You state you are a healthy 29 year old with an "extremely low risk" of dying of Covid - well good for you. I am an "at risk" 73 year old who has had Covid and I would have hated to have gone through that experience unvaccinated. Yours is typical of the "I'm all right Jack, stuff the rest" attitude of a section of society who don't care about the ramifications that their actions can lead to. With your attitude why bother at all with vaccines of any kind? But then you are too young to have known the horrendous effects of polio, TB, Diphtheria, Smallpox - all diseases that blighted the human race until effective vaccines were introduced.
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December 15, 2021, 7:56pm |
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So stating that hundreds of thousands of people throughout the World have died of Covid is "scaremongering". You state you are a healthy 29 year old with an "extremely low risk" of dying of Covid - well good for you. I am an "at risk" 73 year old who has had Covid and I would have hated to have gone through that experience unvaccinated. Yours is typical of the "I'm all right Jack, stuff the rest" attitude of a section of society who don't care about the ramifications that their actions can lead to. With your attitude why bother at all with vaccines of any kind? But then you are too young to have known the horrendous effects of polio, TB, Diphtheria, Smallpox - all diseases that blighted the human race until effective vaccines were introduced.
Except I'm not saying 'stuff the rest' am I? I'm saying if you're at risk, either by means of data or personal opinion, then get the vaccine, it can protect you. But don't force it upon me when it can put me at risk.
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HerveJosse |
December 15, 2021, 7:58pm |
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Getting back to football rather then Covid politics it is clear that football is going to have major disruption from Covid shortly ranging from Covid in players and club staff to future charges on rules on attendance.This will have a knock on effect on things like player recruitment policy in January ,outgoings etc. The fact that our season has already imploded on the pitch may make this slightly less disappointing for us then for those who are currently flying
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December 15, 2021, 7:58pm |
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In what way does the vaccine put you at risk?
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December 15, 2021, 8:06pm |
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Not supportive of VPs myself but the inclusion of negative LFTs as a means of holding one means no-one is forced to have the vaccine. I can’t understand this argument at all. Whether there’ll be enough LFTs to go around or whether people will actually do one properly in order to gain a true negative result is another matter.
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December 15, 2021, 8:06pm |
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In what way does the vaccine put you at risk?
In the way that up to September 8th, there had been 1645 deaths linked to it. And a whole host other complications that have come with it. Reduced heart function, risk of stroke, etc. I literally posted the ONS with a link to the government website a couple of pages back. The medication I am prescribed already heightens that risk of heart problems, but I take that medication because without it I would be at serious risk of suicide (death) and a genuine immediate risk to those around me, unlike with the vaccine.
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RobDef1 |
December 15, 2021, 8:12pm |
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In the way that up to September 8th, there had been 1645 deaths linked to it. And a whole host other complications that have come with it. Reduced heart function, risk of stroke, etc. I literally posted the ONS with a link to the government website a couple of pages back. The medication I am prescribed already heightens that risk of heart problems, but I take that medication because without it I would be at serious risk of suicide (death) and a genuine immediate risk to those around me, unlike with the vaccine.
My point being that I don't think I'm 'above medical intervention'. I am capable of making a choice to be medicated based on a. the risks of that medication vs b. the risks of not having that medication. Bipolar disorder will kill me, especially untreated. Covid? Very unlikely.
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December 15, 2021, 8:39pm |
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So stating that hundreds of thousands of people throughout the World have died of Covid is "scaremongering". You state you are a healthy 29 year old with an "extremely low risk" of dying of Covid - well good for you. I am an "at risk" 73 year old who has had Covid and I would have hated to have gone through that experience unvaccinated. Yours is typical of the "I'm all right Jack, stuff the rest" attitude of a section of society who don't care about the ramifications that their actions can lead to. With your attitude why bother at all with vaccines of any kind? But then you are too young to have known the horrendous effects of polio, TB, Diphtheria, Smallpox - all diseases that blighted the human race until effective vaccines were introduced.
Please check the mortality rates of those diseases against that of covid. More to the point, you are basically saying that because you had to have the vaccine because you're at risk then so should everyone else. So who's really in the 'stuff the rest' category? You have no respect for my reasons, medical and otherwise, to not want the vaccine I doubt you'd even give them a second thought. Also, I can pick up a history book. This is exactly the prejudice I'm talking about, a prejudice that isn't extended to any other medical choice, because the government don't tell you to do that.
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December 15, 2021, 8:55pm |
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Please check the mortality rates of those diseases against that of covid. More to the point, you are basically saying that because you had to have the vaccine because you're at risk then so should everyone else. So who's really in the 'stuff the rest' category? You have no respect for my reasons, medical and otherwise, to not want the vaccine I doubt you'd even give them a second thought. Also, I can pick up a history book. This is exactly the prejudice I'm talking about, a prejudice that isn't extended to any other medical choice, because the government don't tell you to do that.
I never said I had to have the vaccine, merely that my experience of Covid post vaccine was such that I dread to think how I would have fared without the vaccine. As for you being bipolar and the choices you make because of that, my eldest daughter is also bipolar so I know about the problems associated with that condition. I do not endorse compulsory vaccinations but knowing what I do about past diseases that have been virtually eradicated because of the vaccination programmes then I believe there are more benefits than probkems.
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