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I think like anything you do need a level of control and there has in some areas been to many people coming into a area and stretching local resources. The same analogy can be seen in nature eg to many animals coming to the watering hole and not enough resources for all which creates problems.

Give it time though and the world will probably be more homogenous.  You only have to look at Brazil for one where years of mixing the races creates a mulato race.

Theres some good people on this forum on both sides of the political divide eg yourself and codcheeky to name but a few. That's ultimately what's important though eg good character in this life as in the end that trumps all.



I go along with you to a good extent. Older posters may remember the Blue Mink record in the 60s called Melting Pot. But what stymies the argument every time is that time does not stand still in any respect. So while Brazil may well be a fair example now, other places like Chechnya are still hurtling towards ethnic cleansing and every new bit of nationalism that crops up in the world brings a new issue. Then, what about Russia, what about Hong Kong? That’s what I keep saying to some of those other posters  Rick,  we will never solve anything with a silly “Me angel, you fascist”.diatribe.



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That is rubbish. I said voters not members. Very big difference, The voters in Burnley for example are not fascist, they voted BNP because it seemed like the only party at the time that expressed some of their thoughts. It is much more like a protest vote against the established parties than any endorsement of the policies.



If you’re not a fascist, racist or both, the only explanation for voting BNP is ignorance or idiocy.
An actual extremist political group.  
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I go along with you to a good extent. Older posters may remember the Blue Mink record in the 60s called Melting Pot. But what stymies the argument every time is that time does not stand still in any respect. So while Brazil may well be a fair example now, other places like Chechnya are still hurtling towards ethnic cleansing and every new bit of nationalism that crops up in the world brings a new issue. Then, what about Russia, what about Hong Kong? That’s what I keep saying to some of those other posters  Rick,  we will never solve anything with a silly “Me angel, you fascist”.diatribe.

We will never live in perfect world Ron as you know.At least things have improved considerably to years gone by.Not just in racism but in attitudes to gender equality etc.



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If you’re not a fascist, racist or both, the only explanation for voting BNP is ignorance or idiocy.
An actual extremist political group.  


Rather like the naive supporting BLM then?



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Rather like the naive supporting BLM then?



Naive? Brave, committed and principled.

"The only necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men (and women) to do nothing."


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Naive? Brave, committed and principled.

"The only necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men (and women) to do nothing."
Very true Smokey and not just for racism but all across the board as well.



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Very true Smokey and not just for racism but all across the board as well.



Exactly. Never turn a blind eye. Bullying, abuse, racism, discrimination. The list goes on. Eventually we all need to look in the mirror and be comfortable that we took a stand and stuck to our beliefs.


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What's the world coming to when a twelve year old boy thinks it's acceptable to racially abuse Wilfred Zaha online.

Apparently the kid has now been arrested.


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Exactly. Never turn a blind eye. Bullying, abuse, racism, discrimination. The list goes on. Eventually we all need to look in the mirror and be comfortable that we took a stand and stuck to our beliefs.
100%

I think though very few people are out and out racists but granted theres more racism in some more  than others. Hence noone is pure in this life.

If you get the chance if you havent already check out this film which highlights all the above you have pointed out and more .The most moving film Ive seen at the cinema.Likewise Denzel Washington is a christian and preaches through his films. Top man.



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100%

I think though very few people are out and out racists but granted theres more racism in some more  than others. Hence noone is pure in this life.

If you get the chance if you havent already check out this film which highlights all the above you have pointed out and more .The most moving film Ive seen at the cinema.Likewise Denzel Washington is a christian and preaches through his films. Top man.




That is one massive coincidence. Watched the first one, just sat watching Equalizer 2.


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