Anti-racism protests

Quoted from smokey111

Also, quite intrigued by this obsession with the left wing and election results?

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I dont think no side has all the answers though eg to much on the left you get anarchism and to much on the right you get the national front.

Whatever anyone does on both sides of the political divide you wont please everyone.

Balance is key to it all.

Quoted from ska face

Yeah a real champion of the downtrodden, calling young people demonstrating for an end to racial prejudice and violence as anarchists trying to impose their way of life on him.

Racial prejudice is just one of the subjects that exist in this imperfect world that needs to be dealt with .Ive seen a lot of hypocrisy amongst some.Hence dont like racism yet will put others down on intelligence. Same thing eg putting others down on things they have no control over.

Nobody’s said anything about intelligence - ignorance is a different matter. If he can’t be arsed to find out what people on these demonstrations want, why should anyone else spoon feed him? Or anyone else for that matter.  

If you’re ignorant about a subject, you can find out about it. If you’re black, well there’s not much you can do about that is there? Your comparison doesn’t work at all.

Even when someone went to the trouble of posting an article in direct response to a question of his, he didn’t want to know because it didn’t fit with his bigoted views! That’s what people have got no time for.

Quoted from ska face

Nobody’s said anything about intelligence - ignorance is a different matter. If he can’t be arsed to find out what people on these demonstrations want, why should anyone else spoon feed him? Or anyone else for that matter.  

If you’re ignorant about a subject, you can find out about it. If you’re black, well there’s not much you can do about that is there? Your comparison doesn’t work at all.

The comparison is perfectly valid though and I think your missing the deeper concept.We all exist in our consciousness and its all part of the same divide.Some people suck the life force out of them via ridicule/mocking/alienation eg on race/intelligence/looks etc which sadly in all cases have led to suicidal attempts and suicide.

Hence enrich others and dont put them down regardless if their black/white intelligent not so intelligent etc.

None of us are perfect in this world but all we can do is try to improve for the better.

If people want to denigrate others on the basis of their ethnicity, their religion or the fact that their great grandparents may not have been born in this country, I have absolutely zero problem with calling that person out. None whatsoever. Especially when they sit on here saying that these people don’t have the right to complain about the treatment they receive.

This country is an absolute swamp thanks to people like that and it will only get worse if they’re allowed to spout their nonsense unchallenged.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Of course those fourth generations are British, no one is disputing that. What we are discussing is how too many of that third and fourth generation do not wish to integrate, speak English or contribute to society. If we start having a more robust immigration system now, we will not be faced with the same problems in the future.

The whole point of immigration controls is that we decide who to let in. Not an extreme position to take as nearly every other country in the world takes a similar view, bar the EU countries of course. We may well decide on a salary figure that excludes some of your examples. So what? If we are short of people in the sectors you mention, we may relax the rules for a short period, or use some other lever at the governments discretion to attract more British workers. Control is the name of the game. Not racism. No hidden agendas, just the control of who comes into this country.

To people like Ska even this reasonable post I put earlier in this argument proves I am an intolerable racist bigot and all the other insults he can find to throw my way.

This was in response to the lockdown in Leicester where it was stated that some 3rd and 4th generation immigrants could not speak English and were unaware of the rules about lockdown because of it.

Now some posters will disagree and no one would have a problem with that, but Ska and his mates will not accept that anybody else has an equally valid, but very different view.

What’s a 4th generation immigrant? How do you know what their contribution to society is?

Quoted from ska face

What’s a 4th generation immigrant? How do you know what their contribution to society is?

How do you know they make a contribution?

One of the problems in Leicester as in the West Riding when I worked there in the 60s and 70s is that the councils from that time adopted a multicultural approach so strongly that they were translating every single council document into 3 or 4 languages and paying for festivals instead of spending the money on encouraging equalisation and integration. The result was twofold. The older generations never needed to speak or read a word of English and the younger generations were indoctrinated with the separate culture ethic with issues of sexism and radicalism.

You then add on to that the tradition of the community elders and the idea of things like shariah law, postal voting etc. and people like Vaz, and it is easy to see that the community is distrustful of whites and vice versa. But the irony is that most of the time when they are being taken advantage of, it is not by the white community but by other members of their community as with minimum wage issues.

It is much too simplistic to just pick a side. The country as a whole must have a policy and we cannot say we cannot do something just because we have never done it before. Surely if this virus lark has taught us anything it is that we must be prepared to make changes.

Quoted from ska face

What’s a 4th generation immigrant? How do you know what their contribution to society is?

Would really like to know the answer to this once again....

If someone is a fourth or even third or second generation they're not immigrants anymore are they? Born here they're British too surely?