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There are people willing and able to lead the Trust but the Trust don`t want them on board and the GTFC Board certainly wouldn`t want them either so we are stuck with this impasse.


His loans are secured against the assets of the club - if the club go into admin he potentially gets the stadium (on pper worth around half his loans). So he's in a better position than other creditors.


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In my opinion the people who represent and run the MT are all good people who have the best interests of GTFC and it`s supporters at heart BUT that same thing also applies to being the biggest problem with the MT.

Based on my limited dialouge with these people they are more than happy to listen to suggestions and take them to the Club. (I assume warts and all?)

I think it`s at this stage things start to breakdown . Based on my experiences not much seems to materialize and when it does it`s half hearted from the Club and I don`t know if that`s down to delivery from the MT or more what I think personally lack of effort from GTFC?

Are the MT forceful enough in present form to effect the change supporters are calling for within the football club and in the effect the change comes about and goes t1ts up who gets the blame then?

It`s very easy for people like me to sit here all day criticising other people who freely give up vast amounts of there time to try and improve what`s on offer at BP but what am I going to do about it? Well from a personal point of view I have looked at it offered some opinions and offered to get more involved and never heard anything more back so assume I am surplus to requirements on that front . I don`t know why my offers to get involved where not taken up by the MT but I would suggest it`s mostly down to my opinions aired on here ? I don`t take this personally the MT need a strong working relationship with the football club and clearly they and the membership must feel the MT is right as they were elected by the members.

To conclude the MT in my opinion do a hell of a lot of good work for the Club and it`s fans BUT it`s not really the work a lot of people want them to do people like me want them to get bigger and look to bigger things. A lot of things go on in the background and rightly so you can`t just plaster it on sites like this and other social media outlets and hope for the best but since OP the Trusts use of social media seems to have badly waned?

Be nice if Ian or Dave replied to some of this and gave further insight from the inner circle so to speak.


That's my impression Micky. Good people, done a lot of good work but got their hands full/not willing to push things further.


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And this is not meant to be criticism in the slightest because they do their best they can with the agenda they are comfortable with, the Mariners Trust will never be the vehicle to effect significant change at the football club ie change of ownership, fan ownership or securing another investor to take JF's place. There isn't the will there and there isn't the manpower there. They do a good enough job running the bars etc but any effort to change the status quo will put the Trust in turmoil and not be welcomed by the club as proved before when others have wanted to go another way. They help the club and the current board because between them it's the best thing they can do as a group as it stands and probably should be left that way. I joined the Trust a year last January. Since then I've not received confirmation of me joining, proof of payment, an introduction to the Trust, any newsletter or a request to renew this January so how could they be trusted to run a big campaign for fan ownership or hunting for investment? That would have to be a newly formed group with a crystal clear and simple agenda to buy into ..


Well there's one answer to that. If more people who had a more radical view got involved things could change.


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Hyperthetically, if GTFC were to go into administration would it mean Mr Fenty probably losing all or only getting say 10p in the pound of his "benign " loan back.


His loans are secured against the assets of the club - if the club go into admin he potentially gets the stadium (on pper worth around half his loans). So he's in a better position than other creditors.



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There are people willing and able to lead the Trust but the Trust don`t want them on board and the GTFC Board certainly wouldn`t want them either so we are stuck with this impasse.


Who and when did the Trust tell them they're not wanted?

If there are people willing to stand as members of the Trust Board, the other Trust board members have no right to reject them if they stand for election. It's up to the members. Different matter if it's about being co-opted.

I remember Bax making vague comments but we never got the full picture.


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Who and when did the Trust tell them they're not wanted?

If there are people willing to stand as members of the Trust Board, the other Trust board members have no right to reject them if they stand for election. It's up to the members. Different matter if it's about being co-opted.

I remember Bax making vague comments but we never got the full picture.


The Trust never said they`re not wanted but they have had a lot of offers of help that they have never taken up from various quarters for whatever reason ? Then 2 of the people on the Trusts top table are what I would describe as dubious in terms of wanting/affecting change but the MT would argue have great knowledge of certain GTFC practices over many years so that makes them invaluable to the MT. My point here is 2 sides to every argument and no way I can call the MT wrong in their assessment of things BUT it`s not what I want nor many of the people I have gone to football with for 40 year`s . A lot of people think the MT are the answer to the Clubs problems sadly at present I am not one of them . I hope that view changes and I can at least respect the work these guys do at present even if the direction of some of the work frustrates me.UTM
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In my opinion the people who represent and run the MT are all good people who have the best interests of GTFC and it`s supporters at heart BUT that same thing also applies to being the biggest problem with the MT.

Based on my limited dialouge with these people they are more than happy to listen to suggestions and take them to the Club. (I assume warts and all?)

I think it`s at this stage things start to breakdown . Based on my experiences not much seems to materialize and when it does it`s half hearted from the Club and I don`t know if that`s down to delivery from the MT or more what I think personally lack of effort from GTFC?

Are the MT forceful enough in present form to effect the change supporters are calling for within the football club and in the effect the change comes about and goes t1ts up who gets the blame then?

It`s very easy for people like me to sit here all day criticising other people who freely give up vast amounts of there time to try and improve what`s on offer at BP but what am I going to do about it? Well from a personal point of view I have looked at it offered some opinions and offered to get more involved and never heard anything more back so assume I am surplus to requirements on that front . I don`t know why my offers to get involved where not taken up by the MT but I would suggest it`s mostly down to my opinions aired on here ? I don`t take this personally the MT need a strong working relationship with the football club and clearly they and the membership must feel the MT is right as they were elected by the members.

To conclude the MT in my opinion do a hell of a lot of good work for the Club and it`s fans BUT it`s not really the work a lot of people want them to do people like me want them to get bigger and look to bigger things. A lot of things go on in the background and rightly so you can`t just plaster it on sites like this and other social media outlets and hope for the best but since OP the Trusts use of social media seems to have badly waned?

Be nice if Ian or Dave replied to some of this and gave further insight from the inner circle so to speak.


Joh Fenty rules supreme. Surely we know that by now? There is no way on this earth he will listen to people, Trust or no Trust, that doesn't have the monetary clout.
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The Trust never said they`re not wanted but they have had a lot of offers of help that they have never taken up from various quarters for whatever reason ? Then 2 of the people on the Trusts top table are what I would describe as dubious in terms of wanting/affecting change but the MT would argue have great knowledge of certain GTFC practices over many years so that makes them invaluable to the MT. My point here is 2 sides to every argument and no way I can call the MT wrong in their assessment of things BUT it`s not what I want nor many of the people I have gone to football with for 40 year`s . A lot of people think the MT are the answer to the Clubs problems sadly at present I am not one of them . I hope that view changes and I can at least respect the work these guys do at present even if the direction of some of the work frustrates me.UTM


But surely if people came forward to stand for election to the Trust board things can be put to the test.

I suspect I know who the two people on the top table are. One of them comes across as a right snarky member.


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But surely if people came forward to stand for election to the Trust board things can be put to the test.

I suspect I know who the two people on the top table are. One of them comes across as a right snarky member.


Comments such as ‘the Fishy brigade’ and ‘keyboard warriors ‘ don’t do them any favours. Add the simple fact that one man can still do whatever he wants, then it’s not the most appealing attraction.
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Comments such as ‘the Fishy brigade’ and ‘keyboard warriors ‘ don’t do them any favours. Add the simple fact that one man can still do whatever he wants, then it’s not the most appealing attraction.


Exactly this and worryingly ALL the MT laughed along as if The Fishy brigade are nothing but trouble I think these folk are generally described on here Happy Clappers . Whilst a degree of truth in that they should also realise perhaps the reason for all the agrro stemming from The Fishy is YES that`s where a huge hardcore of the Club`s most vociferous and critical fan`s hang out  BUT only because they care deeply about GTFC. Mr Fenty, shutup and co won`t like us because they can`t control what we think or write but clearly they feel the need to come on here and sift through posts to gauge the mood . Now why is that? I would think because this is THE place where you get a good cross section of supporters views . The balance of posts at times is a bit of a nightmare but on the odd occassion we have some positivity that`s also reflected in the posts  here .
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